From Patrick O'Sullivan

The Irish in Japan have discovered an Irish language curse engine on the Web.

The Irish in Japan are, for the most part, engineers and accountants. So that I have had
to sanitise, a little bit, the message, below. It's an insight, it's an insight...

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
From: INN-L - Discussion of Irish & Japanese Culture

Irish curse engine puts acid tongue on Web

Web-headed linguists at Jefferson City Missouri's Lincoln University
have developed an Irish-language curse engine for those who wish to
spew invective with a minimal risk of being understood
anywhere outside of British gaols.
http://hermes.lincolnu.edu/~focal/scripts/mallacht.htm

Drop-down lists of prospective subjects, verbs and
objects in English allow one to concoct novel Irish curses from a
three-part menu.

Naturally, we were unable to resist mucking about with
it, and below offer for our readers' entertainment a few that we
generated:

May a pitiless bureaucrat gnaw at your investment portfolio.
Go gcreime maorlathaí míthrócaireach do chuid
infheistíochtaí.

May a pack of drunken Fomorians satirize your manly
part.
Go n-aora scata Fomhórach ólta do bhall fearga.

We think we'll mutter them just audibly next chance we get to pass
through Heathrow Immigration from Belfast wearing our favourite bulky
trench coat and Tricolour scarf with Starry Plough enrichments.

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Irish Studies

I am writing a paper on the Irish Diaspora for the
forthcoming conference "Ireland: Politics, Identity,
Culture" (Kennedy Center, Washington DC, May 15-18, 2000).

For anyone who might be interested, I've just posted a
description of the conference to the Ir-D list.

My paper will examine commonalities and differences in the
historiography of the diaspora, especially in terms of the
U.S., Australia, and Britain.

By way of introduction, I wanted to describe the burgeoning field of Irish Studies
worldwide and mention some of the programs and research
institutes that are currently thriving.

The programs I'm familiar with include:
Ireland: Queen's University, NUI Cork (migration studies)
Scotland: Aberdeen University
England: Liverpool University, the University of North
U.S.: Boston College, New York University, Notre Dame
Brazil: Universidade de Sao Paolo

But there are obviously many, many more--in Canada,
Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Latin America, and
the U.S., as well as in Britain and in Ireland itself?

Information please. Many thanks. Come to think of it, this information could
subseuqently be collated and made available to all of us.
I'd be glad to help with that.


----------------------
Kevin Kenny
Department of History, Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Conference in Washington DC

Ir-D subsribers may be interested to see the program for a
forthcoming conference called "Ireland: Politics, Culture
and Identity" to be held at the Kennedy Center for the
Performing Arts, Washington, DC, May 18-19. The conference
will take place under the auspices of a wider 'festival'
celerbrating Irish arts, music, theatre, literature and
culture, sponsored by the Kennedy Center and the Irish
government, entitled "Island: Arts from Ireland."

Below is the program for the academic component, which will
serve as a showcase for the discipline Irish Studies. The
contact person is Rob Savage, here at Boston College:

savager[at]bc.edu

Sunday evening, May 14
Keynote: President Mary McAleese
Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

Monday May 15

Session I 9:00 to 11:00
Unionism, and the Future of the Union
Keynote Speaker: Alvin Jackson
Alvin Jackson is a native of Belfast where he is currently
professor in modern history at the Queen's University.
Among his publications are Colonel Edward Saunderson: Land
and Loyalty in Victorian Ireland (1995) and Ireland,
1798-1998: Politics and War (1999).

Chair: Janet Nolan
Janet Nolan was born in San Francisco. She is associate
professor of history at Loyola University Chicago. Her
published work includes Ourselves Alone: Women's Emigration
from Ireland, 1885-1920 (1989) and several articles on
Irish and Irish-American women's emigration and education.

Response: Paul Bew
Paul Bew is a native of Belfast and professor of politics
at the Queen's University. He is currently the Visiting
Burns Scholar at Boston College. Professor Bew's
publications include Charles Stewart Parnell (1991) and
Northern Ireland 1921-96: Political Forces and Social
Classes (co-author 1997).


Session II 11:15 to 1:15
Nationalism/Republicanism in the New Millennium
Keynote Speaker: Declan Kiberd
Declan Kiberd is a native of Dublin where he currently
teaches literature at University College Dublin. His works
include Synge and the Irish Language (1979) and Inventing
Ireland: The Literature of the Modern Nation (1995).

Chair: Maureen Murphy
Maureen Murphy, a native of Long Beach, NY, is presently
professor of Secondary Education/English at Hofstra
University and Director of the Great Irish Famine Project
for the New York State Education Department. Professor
Murphy edited Asenath Nicholson's Annals of the Famine in
Ireland (1998).

Response: Gearoid O'Tuathaigh
Gearoid O'Tuathaigh, a native of Limerick, currently
teaches history at University College Galway, where he is
also Director of the Irish Studies Program. Professor O'
Tuathaigh publishes both in Irish and English; his most
recent work appeared in ?ir' Amach: 1798 in ?irinn (1998)
and in Pobal na Gaeltachta: a sc?al agus a dh?n (2000), a
volume that he co-edited.

Session III, 2:30 to 4:00
Colloquium: National Identity in the 21st Century: A round
table discussion led by Richard Kearney and Kevin Whelan

Richard Kearney is a native of Cork City and currently
teaches philosophy at Boston College and at University
College, Dublin. Professor Kearney has published both
fiction and non-fiction, including Poetics of Imagining
(1991) and Postnationalist Ireland (1996).

Kevin Whelan is a native of County Wexford. He is
currently Michael J. Smurfit Director of the University of
Notre Dame's Keough Center at Newman House, Dublin. His
publications include Nations and Nationalism in the
Eighteenth Century (1995) and Fellowship of Freedom: The
United Irishmen and the 1798 Rebellion (1998).

Tuesday May 16
Session I 9:00 to 11:00
The Irish Diaspora
Keynote Speaker: Kevin Kenny
Kevin Kenny is a native of Dublin and is currently teaching
at Boston College where he specializes in labor and
emigration history. Among his publications are Making
Sense of the Molly Maguires (1998) and The American Irish:
A History (2000).

Chair: Maurice Bric
Maurice Bric is a native of Kerry. He currently teaches
Irish and American history at University College, Dublin.
He is Deputy Chairman of the Ireland-American Fulbright
Commission and Academic Secretary of the Irish Research
Council for the Humanities and Social Sciences.

Response: Thomas Martin Devine
Thomas Devine is University Research Professor in Scottish
History and Director of the Research Institute of Irish and
Scottish Studies, the University of Aberdeen. He has
published widely in Scottish history and Irish/Scottish
comparisons on subjects such as emigration, famine, urban
elites and urbanization. He recently edited Scotland's
Shame? Bigotry and Sectarianism in Modern Scotland (2000).

Session II 11:15 to 1:15
Comparative Perspectives
Keynote Speaker: Seamus Deane
Seamus Deane, a native of Derry City, is a poet, novelist
and critic, as well as Keough Professor of Irish Studies at
the University of Notre Dame. Among his publications are
Celtic Revivals (1985), The Field Day Anthology of Irish
Literature (ed. 1991), and the novel Reading in the Dark
(1996).

Chair: Kevin O'Neill
Kevin O'Neill is a native of Brooklyn New York. He teaches
history at Boston College where he is also co-founder and
co-director of the Irish Studies Program. His publications
include Family and Farm in Pre-Famine Ireland:
The Parish of Killashandra (1984) and "Mary Shackleton Leadbeater: Peaceful Rebel" in The
Women of 1798 (1998).

Response: David Lloyd
David Lloyd, a native of Dublin, is Hartley Burr Alexander
Chair in the Humanities and Director of the Humanities
Institute at Scripps College, Claremont California. Among
his publications are Anomalous States: Irish Writing and
the Postcolonial Moment (1993) and Ireland After History
(1999).

Session III 2:30 to 4:00
Colloquium: Irish Studies in the New Millennium: A round
table discussion led by Timothy Meagher, Robert Scally, and
Margaret Kelleher.

Timothy Meagher is a native of Worcester Massachusetts and
Director of the Center for Irish Studies at Catholic
University of America. Dr. Meagher has with Ronald Bayor,
co-edited The New York Irish (1996), his new book,
Inventing Irish America: Generation, Class and Ethnic
Identity in a New England City, 1880 to 1928, (2000).

Robert Scally was born in New York where he his now
professor of History at New York University and Director
of the Glucksman Ireland House. He is the author of Forces
of Order and Movement in Europe, 1815-1914 (1976) and
The End of Hidden Ireland: Rebellion, Famine and Emigration (1995).

Margaret Kelleher was born in Mallow, County Cork and
lectures in the English Department at the National
University of Ireland, Maynooth. She is the author of The
Feminization of Famine (1997) and editor of Making it New:
Essays on the Revised Leaving Certificate Syllabus (2000).

Wednesday May 17
Session I 9:00 to 11:00 Film screening/lecture
The CBS Documentary Ireland, the Tear and the Smile
(1960)
Introduction: Constructing/deconstructing the image
of Sean Lemass's Ireland by Robert Savage.
Robert Savage is a native of Boston and teaches history at Boston College
where he is also the Associate Director of Irish Studies.
His publications include Irish Television: The Political
and Social History (1996) and Sean Lemass (1999).


Session II 11:30-1:30
Media, Art and Cultural Change in Contemporary Ireland
Chair: Vera Kreilkamp
Vera Kreilkamp, was born in New York City, and teaches
English at Pine Manor College. She is co-editor of
Eire-Ireland: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Irish Studies
and has written The Anglo-Irish Novel and the Big House
(1998) and, with Adele Dalsimer, co-curated and co-edited
America's Eye: Irish Paintings from the Collection of Brian
P. Burns (1996).

Panel: Declan McGonagle, Liz Cullingford, Nuala Ni
Dhomhnaill, Michel O' Suilleabhain.

Declan McGonagle is a native of Derry City, where he became
Visual Arts Organiser for Derry City Council in 1986. He
was appointed the first Director of the Irish Museum of
Modern Art in 1991. He has been a contributing editor to
Artforum Magazine since 1991 and was a member of the 1993
jury for the Tate Gallery's Turner Prize.

Liz Cullingford was raised in Trinidad, educated at Oxford,
and is Professor of English at the University of Texas
at Austin. She is the author of Yeats, Ireland and Fascism
(1981) and Gender and History in Yeats's Love Poetry (1993).
She is currently working on contemporary Irish literature,
culture and film.

Nuala Ni Dhomhnaill, born in Lancashire, England, is a
leading Irish language poet and was the Visiting Burns
Scholar at Boston College from 1998 to 1999. Her works
include Cead Aighnis (1998) and The Water Horse (2000).
She is currently the contemporary poetry editor of the
forthcoming fourth volume of the Field Day Anthology of
Irish Writing.

Micheal O'Suilleabhain is a native of Co. Cork and
currently teaches music at the University of Limerick.
Among his recordings are Micheal O'Siilleabhain (1976) and
the highly acclaimed The Dolphin's Way (1987). His
publications include The Bodhran (1994) and Becoming (1998).


Visit http://kennedy-center.org/irishfestival

----------------------
Kevin Kenny
Department of History, Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

From Patrick O'Sullivan

A version of the following message appeared recently on the H-Catholic list.

It is shared here with the Ir-D list with the permission of John Edward FitzGerald, of the
Memorial University of Newfoundland.

I am also going to forward, with permission, to the Ir-D list, as a separate email, a
further email from John Edward FitzGerald - part of our following discussion.

Our thanks to John Edward FitzGerald for these courtesies.

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----


John Edward FitzGerald


Of all the nineteenth century British colonies which hosted an Irish
Catholic diaspora, Newfoundland's experience seems to be close to
Australia's.

The Irish-Newfoundland experience during the first half of the C19 was the
subject of my dissertation. Here in Newfoundland, the Irish Christian
Brothers arrived in 1876, which was relatively late compared
with the Sisters of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary (1833) and
the Sisters of Mercy (1842), and the Brothers - if they set out to
create a middle class - were preceded in having this goal by these orders
of religious women. These women came to Newfoundland in the years
indicated at the invitation of Michael Anthony Fleming (1792-1850, V.A. of
Newfoundland 1829-1850), who desired to use religious education and Irish
social institutions - particularly in the capital city of St. John's -
to try to create a Catholic middle class in what hitherto had been a
British fishingcolony populated by almost equal parts of Irish Catholics and
British Protestants (Anglicans, Wesleyan Dissenters, Presbyterians and
Congregationalists). In Newfoundland, the role which - it is indicated -
was played by the Christian Brothers in Australia was played in
Newfoundland in the period 1833-1850 by the Mercy and
Presentation Sisters, who had as their goal the education of Catholic girls, and
particularly, by the Sisters of Mercy.

Their advanced curriculum of languages,
geography, and things thought appropriate for middle class mothers to learn
indeed did seem to help create a Catholic middle class which hit a glass
ceiling of limited occupational opportunities in a British colony dominated
by a Protestant aristocracy.

As a result, there was an Irish-Catholic out-migration which stretched from 1846 to the
1860s, from
Catholic enclaves in Newfoundland, to places like Gloucester and Boston,
Massachusetts.

It would be interesting to know if historians of the American
Irish differentiate between the Irish who came directly from
famine-ridden Ireland to Boston, and the Irish who had been in Newfoundland for
two, three, and four generations before going to Boston at the same
time. I suspect they do not.

In St. John's in the late 1820s there were political battles
within the Irish Catholic community, as Irish county factions vied for
dominance, and as the ultramontanist Fleming engaged in bitter controversies
with lay trustees. In the 1840s, once the state (the colonial ascendancy)
became seriously involved in funding denominational education, there
were public political sectarian controversies centering around the control of
appointed school boards, the curricula to be followed, and particularly,
who got to inspect the state-funded denominational schools.

While there is a growing historical literature on the Sisters of
Mercy - the latest instalment I have read is Catherine Killerby's
biography of Ursula Frayne, a Sister of Mercy who went from Newfoundland to
Australia - this literature seems to me to be more concerned with
personalities and piety than on the philosophical or ideological approaches to
education of Irish missionaries, and their social impacts on the societies in
which they immersed themselves. What do other readers on the list have to
say?

John FitzGerald
Memorial University of Newfoundland

From Patrick O'Sullivan


- -----Original Message-----
From: John Edward FitzGerald [mailto:jfitz[at]morgan.ucs.mun.ca]

Please do share my H-Catholic message with the Irish Diaspora list (feel
free to share this one as well if you like).

For quite some time now, those of us who study the Irish in Newfoundland
have been have been bemused that the American historians seem not to have
noticed that over 100,000 or so Irish Newfoundlanders migrated to Boston,
particularly in the periods 1846-1860 and 1880-1900, and 1918-1934.

These Irish first migrated to Newfoundland starting in the 1700s, and the
migrations ended in about 1830. By the mid-1800s, these Irish were as much
Newfoundlanders as they were Irish, but it would seem that the American migration
historians
don't (or can't) tell the difference, and don't seem to distinguish
between an Irish immigrant getting off the boat in 1848 in Boston, and his
neighbor getting off the boat, an Irish Newfoundlander whose family lived
here for three to four generations before moving stateside. We know all
about the Newfoundlanders in Boston - they had a Terra Nova Club, and
annual soirees attended by Newfoundland expats.

Anecdotal and genealogical evidence seems to indicate that these migrations
were chain and kin, and often from close neighborhoods of origin to close
target neighborhoods, replicating the patterns of original Irish migration
to Newfoundland (from within a 60 mile radius of Waterford, Ireland, to a
60 mile radius of St. John's). As my friend and colleague the historical
geographer John Mannion here at Memorial University of Newfoundland has pointed out, no
other
migration of a European ethnic group at any point in human history came
from such a geographically small zone of origin to such a geographically
small target zone in the new world over such a long period of time (c. 1675
or 1700 to 1830). The intense locality of the origins of the Newfoundland
population - southeast Ireland and southwest England, coupled with the
intense locality of settlement here in Newfoundland since 1800 account now
for the interest of the mappers of the Human Genome in the Newfoundland
outports, now that Iceland's codes have been plundered - oops, I mean...
have been privatized.

So to the broader historical questions: do historians of the Irish
migrations take the trouble to try to distinguish (or can they even
distinguish) between one-boaters, and two, or three? Do they even know of
the Newfoundland Irish, or the Canadian Irish?

Regards,

John FitzGerald
Lecturer
Dept. of History
Memorial University of Newfoundland

From: "Michael Kenneally"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Studies, World-Wide

Hello Kevin,

For both your immediate and long-term information, we are developing a
program in Canadian Irish Studies at Concordia University in Montreal which
will have double focus on Irish Studies as they pertain to the history and
culture of Ireland and to the multifaceted nature of the Irish experience in
Canada. The latter will be studied in the context of the Irish diaspora in
general but will pay particular attention to the different experiences of
the Irish in Canada's various regions. Especially instructive will be a
study of the relationship between the English and French in Canada, and the
crucial role the Irish played in nation building through their ability to
serve as a bridge between these two communities.

Related to Canadian Irish Studies at Concordia, will be the publication of
the Canadian Journal of Irish Studies which has just moved here. Its
editorial focus will be widened to embrace the many disciplines in Irish
Studies and various aspects of the Irish experience in Canada. I will
forward - as a separate email - a statement of the new editorial policy.

Best wishes,
Michael Kenneally

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:40 AM
Subject: Ir-D Irish Studies, World-Wide


>
> From: Kevin Kenny
> Subject: Irish Studies
>
> I am writing a paper on the Irish Diaspora for the
> forthcoming conference "Ireland: Politics, Identity,
> Culture" (Kennedy Center, Washington DC, May 15-18, 2000).
>
> For anyone who might be interested, I've just posted a
> description of the conference to the Ir-D list.
>
> My paper will examine commonalities and differences in the
> historiography of the diaspora, especially in terms of the
> U.S., Australia, and Britain.
>
> By way of introduction, I wanted to describe the burgeoning field of Irish
Studies
> worldwide and mention some of the programs and research
> institutes that are currently thriving.
>
> The programs I'm familiar with include:
> Ireland: Queen's University, NUI Cork (migration studies)
> Scotland: Aberdeen University
> England: Liverpool University, the University of North
> U.S.: Boston College, New York University, Notre Dame
> Brazil: Universidade de Sao Paolo
>
> But there are obviously many, many more--in Canada,
> Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Latin America, and
> the U.S., as well as in Britain and in Ireland itself?
>
> Information please. Many thanks. Come to think of it, this information
could
> subseuqently be collated and made available to all of us.
> I'd be glad to help with that.
>
>
> ----------------------
> Kevin Kenny
> Department of History, Boston College
> 140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
> Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
> www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/
>
>

- -

From: "Brian McGinn"
Subject: Re: Irish FROM Newfoundland

In response to John FitzGerald's provocative queries, I'd
venture to propose that the situation here in the U.S.
might not be quite as bleak as it may sometimes appear from
St. John's. Though as a researcher and writer whose main
interests lie in the Caribbean and regions further south, I
would certainly agree that any picture of the Irish
presence in the present-day United States, from the 17th C
onwards, is incomplete without taking into account the very
important re-migrations from Newfoundland and the West
Indies.

I do believe that U.S.-based historians and researchers are
aware of, and showing an increasing interest in, both the
Canadian Irish and Newfoundland Irish. And while I've never
before seen numerical estimates for out-migration from
Canada or Newfoundland, there is certainly a general
awareness of its significance, on both a popular and
scholarly level.

The Encyclopedia of the Irish in America (Notre Dame UP,
1999) devotes four-and-a-half pages to the Canadian Irish
and cites Houston & Smyth's estimate that two-thirds of all
Irish immigrants to the 'British North American colonies'
eventually moved on the U.S.

Kerby Miller had numerous Newfoundland references in
Emigrants and Exiles (New York, 1985), and mentions
significant Newfoundland emigration to the (U.S.) mainland.
Emigration from Newfoundland to Massachusetts, Rhode island
and New Jersey during the Colonial era is documented by
Audrey Lockhart, Some Aspects of Emigration from Ireland to
the North American Colonies Between 1660 and 1775 (New
York: Arno Press, 1976). Note to any Publishers: we could
sure use a new edition of this important work, originally
issued from a barely legible typewritten manuscript.

On a more polar level, Irish re-migration from Newfoundland
and other locations in the Canadian Maritimes is
prominently mentioned by John Francis Bourke, "The Irish in
Atlantic Canada" Irish America Magazine (New York),
July/August 1995. (One of the illustrations shows the
tombstone of a John Fitzgerald, native of Carrick Beg, Co.
Waterford, who died in Newfoundland in 1879, aged 74
years). Also in New York, the weekly Irish Echo newspaper
ran an Irish-language article on Aidan O'Hara's recent book
on the Irish in Newfoundland, Na Gaeil I dTalamh an Éisc
(1998). See review at
http://www.irishecho.com/files/search2.cfm?id=4400

Recent commemorations of the Famine have focused the
attention of many Irish-Americans on the graves at Grosse
Ile, while the 1798 anniversary has drawn the attention of
military historians, in the U.S. as well as Ireland, to the
1799-1800 United Irishmen rebellion in St. John's,
Newfoundland. (Though none, as best I recall, have noted
that Lady Pamela Fitzgerald, wife of Lord Edward, was a
native-born Newfoundlander). Those interested in the Irish
language would be well aware of the work of Kenneth Nilsen
and Cyril Byrne. And here on the Ir-D, some of us have
recently been puzzling over the mysteries of Sheila Na
Geira, faction fighting on the Barrens, and the (still
unexplained) etymology of those yellow-bellies,
whey-bellies and dadyeens.

Brian McGinn
Alexandria, Virginia

From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish FROM Newfoundland

Dear Paddy,
Glad you're back! Hope the conference went well.
First a question - what does H-Catholic mean?
Second, it was good to see Mr. Fitzgerald's query about the attention which
has been given by American historians to Irish immigrants who did not come
straight off the boat but who'd had experience elsewhere in the 'New World"
which had given them some economic success and the confidence which
accompanies that. More evidence of the history of this group, or groups,
could help to shed some light on the process of integration of Irish
immigrants into the social structure here and, also, of the social divisions
which are plainly apparent within the Irish in America.
My interest in this particular aspect of social divisions within the Irish
immigrants as well as between them and the 'host' population was further
stimulated by finding some very interesting documents in the archives of the
Chicago Historical Society. The records of the Irish Fellowship Club, for
instance, in the late 19th. and early 20th centuries indicate that the club
was dominated by wealthy Irish ( wealthy? only after less than 50 yrs of
Chicago's beginnings as a city?) who were Republican in sympathy and
political affiliation. Not just wealth, however. Their political influence
both in Chicago and Ireland was strong. On St. Patrick's day, in 1910, the
Club had a banquet at which the President of the United States - President
Taft - was the honoured guest. A cavalcade of automobiles escorted the
President to the dinner. He and the President of the IFC occupied the first
car; the Mayor of Chicago was in car number 7.
The President of the IFC at the time also had a long period of
correspondence with W.T. Cosgrave, President of the first Council of Ireland,
and his family which indicates that both families were on close terms.
So, socially and politically, Irish immigration to this continent and the
progression of the Irish through its social structure - when they weren't
defining it - becomes more and more fascinating as we try to start locating
them, where they came from,how they prospered and how social divisions have
opened-up. Mr. Fitzgerald's question has helped here. Where did the
ancestors of the wealthy and politically powerful Republican controllers of
the IFC come from? They were well-established before the major immigrations
into Chicago in the late 19th century and had a brief 40 or so years to
build-up wealth and clout. Did they start in Canada and/or Ireland or even,
perhaps have British ( God save the mark!) connections.
My favourite character, in this regard, is a person whose autobiographical
notes I found in the archives. He was born in Galway, was very well-educated
there and then sent, by the British government, to work on the national
survey in Canada. He lived happily there in a small town until one fateful
day when life changed. It was the 12th. of July, sacred to his Protestant
Orange neighbours with whom he'd lived in relative peace. They decided that
the old tradition of 'No Surrender' should be fully celebrated and, as this
required a bridge with a temporarily erected 'King Billy Arch' this was
hastily constructed over the only bridge over the only river in the immediate
neighbourhood. This was fine, except that tradition demanded that an armed
'hero', on this occasion equipped with a sword, should stand guard and deny
access to all who would not swear allegiance.
The result was predictable - confusion, leading to riot, leading to injury
and death. The diarist left town within days with wife and family, found his
way first to Milwaukee and then to Chicago. Here he became employed
immediately as a surveyor to help reconstruct Chicago after the great fire
and continued thereafter as a senior member of the city administration.
How many like him came into urban America from Irish roots but through
complicated ways and helped to establish the sort of Irish 'upper' class and
the consequent social confidence which the 'Irish' here enjoy and which the
Chicago IFC epitomises? Good question. Any answers?

John Hickey

From: "Brian McGinn"
Subject: FWD: Reply from John FitzGerald

[NOTE: Extracts from Brian McGinn's original Ir-D Message are the lines with > at the
beginning...]

Mr. McGinn:

At 04:28 PM 4/18/2000 -0400, you wrote a marvellous response to my
comments! Thank you for your brief citation/bibliography of recent works
which mention Newfoundland. As I am not yet on the Ir-D list and have not yet
received postings, I'd like to reply to your message. If you have posted the
message you just sent me, kindly post this reply as well.

>I do believe that U.S.-based historians and researchers are aware of, and
>showing an increasing interest in, both the Canadian Irish and Newfoundland
>Irish. And while I've never before seen numerical estimates for out-migration
>from Canada or Newfoundland, there is certainly a general awareness of its
>significance, on both a popular and scholarly level.

Essentially, only a handful of scholars have studied the Irish Newfoundland
migrations in any depth, and there are a number of works in progress. My
own work is more concerned with what the Irish did here between the time
they ended arriving and before some started leaving. For the information of
readers of the list, here is a short-list bibliography of scholarship on
the Irish in Newfoundland.

John Mannion's scholarship deals with the "in-migration"; among his various
works may be found in his _Irish Settlements in Eastern Canada_ (Toronto:
University of Toronto Press, 1974); "Introduction" in _The Peopling of
Newfoundland: Essays in Historical Geography_ (St. John's: ISER Books,
1977), 1-13; "The Waterford Merchants and the Irish Newfoundland Provisions
Trade, 1770-1820", in _Négoce et Industrie En France et en Irlande Aux
XVIIIe et XIXe Siècles_ (Paris: Editions du Centre national de la Recherche
Scientifique, 1980); "Irish Merchants Abroad: The Newfoundland Experience
1750-1850", _Newfoundland Studies_, Vol 2, No. 2 (Fall 1986): 127-191; "St.
John's" (Plate 27) in _The Historical Atlas of Canada_, Vol. I, ed. R. Cole
Harris (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1987); "Henry Shea
(1767-1830): A Tipperary Trader in Newfoundland," in _Tipperary History
Journal_, Vol. 1 (1988): 182-191; "Migration and Upward Mobility: The
Meagher Family in Ireland and Newfoundland, 1780-1830," in _Irish Economic
and Social History_, Vol. 15 (1988): 54-70; "Patrick Morris, 1789-1849"
_DCB_ VII, p. 627; "Patrick Morris and Newfoundland Irish Immigration", in
_Talamh an Eisc: Canadian and Irish Essays_, eds. Cyril J. Byrne and
Margaret Harry (Halifax: Nimbus Publishing, 1986), pp. 180-202; "Old World
Antecedents, New World Adaptations: Inistoge (Co. Kilkenny) Immigrants in
Newfoundland", _Newfoundland Studies_, Vol. 5, No. 2 (Fall 1989): 103-175;
and "Vessels, Masters and Seafaring: Patterns in Waterford Voyages,
1766-1771", in _Waterford History and Society_, eds. William Nolan and
Thomas P. Power (Dublin: Geography Publications, 1992): 373-402. The best
popular demographic analysis of the Irish migration to Newfoundland is
Mannion's "Tracing the Irish: A Geographical Guide", _The
Newfoundland Ancestor_, Vol. 9, No. 1 (May 1993): 4-18.

>On a more polar level, Irish re-migration from Newfoundland and other
>locations in the Canadian Maritimes is prominently mentioned by John
>Francis Bourke, "The Irish in Atlantic Canada" Irish America Magazine (New
>York), July/August 1995. (One of the illustrations shows
>the tombstone of a John Fitzgerald, native of Carrick Beg, Co. Waterford,
>who died inNewfoundland in 1879, aged 74
>years).

Most interesting. My FitzGeralds came from Thomastown,
Kilkenny to Keels, Newfoundland in 1751, although my Greene and Sexton
ancestors did come from Carrick. The John Fitzgerald of the headstone was probably
Capt. John Fitzgerald, who in the early 1850s captained the vessel
M.A. Fleming (named after the Catholic Bp. of St. John's, who grew up in
Carrick and who with his uncle built the Franciscan friary in Carrick Beg in
1823). He was no relation (that I know of).

>-Also in New York, the weekly Irish Echo newspaper ran an
>Irish-language
>article on Aidan O'Hara's recent book on the Irish in
>Newfoundland, Na
>Gaeil i dTalamh an Éisc (1998). See review at
>http://www.irishecho.com/files/search2.cfm?id=4400

Thanks for the reference for the review.

>Recent commemorations of the Famine have focused the attention of many
>Irish-Americans on the graves at Grosse Ile, while the 1798 anniversary has
>drawn the attention of military historians, in the U.S. as well as Ireland, to the
>1799-1800 United Irishmen rebellion in St. John's, Newfoundland. (Though
>none, as best I recall, have noted that Lady Pamela Fitzgerald, wife of
>Lord Edward, was a native-born Newfoundlander).

For a recent popular article by Aidan O'Hara on the United Irish Rebellion
at St. John's in April 1800 see the latest issue of _History Ireland_.
Information about the Newfoundland origins of Pamela (Sims) FitzGerald, the
wife of Lord Edward FitzGerald may be found in the entry "FitzGerald,
Pamela, Lady", in J.R. Smallwood, ed., _Encyclopedia of Newfoundland and
Labrador_, Vol. 2 (St. John's: Newfoundland Book Publishers, 1984), pp.
192-4. This coming June in St. John's the Irish Newfoundland Association
will be hosting a delegation from Ireland which will help unveil a plaque
marking the 200th anniversary of the 1800 United Irish rebellion at the
powder shed to the north of the British Garrison at Fort Townshed in St.
John's. Perhaps list readers might inform me if an United Irish rebellion
ever took place anywhere else outside Ireland? To the best of my ability to
discover, one did not (but I could be wrong).

Not surprisingly because of the religious heritage of the Irish immigrants
who came to Newfoundland, modern scholarship on the Irish in Newfoundland
has been associated closely with the history of Roman Catholicism. The
principal scholar working on the Irish-Catholic link has been Raymond J.
Lahey, who wrote "Michael Anthony Fleming", Dictionary of
Canadian Biography, Vol. VII, ed. Francess Halpenny. Toronto:
University of Toronto Press, 1987, 292-300; "Thomas Scallan", Dictionary of
Canadian Biography, Vol. VI, ed. Francess Halpenny . Toronto: University of
Toronto Press, 1977, 690-694; "The Building of a Cathedral", The
Basilica-Cathedral of St. John the Baptist, St. John's, Newfoundland, 1855-1980, ed.
Rev. John Wallis. St. John's: Robinson Blackmore, 1980, 27-42;
"Catholicism and Colonial Policy in Newfoundland, 1779-1845", in _Creed and
Culture: The Place of English-Speaking Catholics in Canadian Society,
1750-1930_, eds. Terrence Murphy and Gerald Stortz. Montreal: McGill-Queen's
Press, 1993, 49-78; _James Louis O'Donel in Newfoundland, 1784-1807: The
Establishment of the Roman Catholic Church_ St. John's: Newfoundland
Historical Society, 1984; and "Religion and Politics in Newfoundland: The
Antecedents of The General Election of 1832", a lecture delivered to the
Newfoundland Historical Society, 15 March 1979, published in _Religious
Studies 3901; Religion in Newfoundland and Labrador: The Nineteenth and
Twentieth Centuries_, ed. Hans Rollmann. St. John's: Memorial
University of Newfoundland, 1990.

>Those interested in the Irish language would be well aware of the work of
>Kenneth Nilsen and Cyril Byrne. And here on the Ir-D, some of us have
>recently been puzzling over the mysteries of Sheila Na
>Geira, faction
>fighting on the Barrens, and the (still unexplained)
>etymology of those
>yellow-bellies, whey-bellies and dadyeens.>

I have still heard these words used in Wexford (the land of the
yellowbellies) and Waterford (the land of the wheybellies).
The Doones were from Kilkenny; the Clear Airs were from Tipperary. On the
Newfoundland Yellowbellies, Wheybellies, Doones, Dadyeens, and
Clear-Airs see the definition of "Yellow" in Story, Kirwan, and Widdowson,
Eds., _Dictionary of Newfoundland English_, 2nd. Ed., (Toronto: U of T Press,
1990), pp. 622-3. On the Yellowbellies in Newfoundland politics and
their faction fights on the barrens above old C19 St. John's see Charles
Pedley, _The History of Newfoundland_ (London: Longman, Greene, 1863),
pp. 294-6. Also see Daniel W. Prowse, _A History of Newfoundland from the
Colonial Records_, 2nd Ed., (London: Eyre and Spottiswood, 1896),
pp. 402, 430, 432.
For the story of the Irish neoclassical cathedral built on
those Barrens and an account of political conflict between those factions
in constructing institutional catholicism see my "Michael Anthony Fleming
and Ultramontanism in Irish-Newfoundland Roman Catholicism,1829-1850",
_Historical Studies_ [the journal of the Canadian Catholic
Historical Association], Vol. 64, (1998): 27-45, which was based on my
"Conflict and Culture in Irish-Newfoundland Roman Catholicism,
1829-1850", unpub. Ph.D. thesis, Univ. Ottawa, 1997, which I am presently preparing
for publication. Here in St. John's there is even a set of 19th century
buildings on Water Street still known as Yellowbelly Corner; see the entry
under the same name in _A Gift of Heritage: Historical Architecture of St.
John's, Newfoundland_ 2nd. Ed. Revised (St. John's: Newfoundland
Historic Trust, 1998), 78-9.

With regard to Irish out-migration from Newfoundland to
America see Edward-Vincent Chafe, "A New Life on Uncle Sam's Farm:
Newfoundlanders in Massachusetts, 1846-1859", unpublished MA thesis, Memorial
University of Newfoundland, St. John's, 1984. Also see William G. Reeves,
"'Our Yankee cousins' : Modernization and the Newfoundland-American
relationship,1898-1910", unpub. Ph.D. thesis, University of
Maine at Orono, 1987.

Most recently, Willeen Keogh, a PhD student here at Memorial University , is at work on
a history of late 18th and early 19th century Irish Women on the southern
shore of Newfoundland's Avalon Peninsula; her thesis should
be completed in the next year or so. John P. Greene has just published
_Between Damnation and Starvation: Priests and Merchants in Newfoundland
Politics, 1745-1855_ (Montreal: McGill-Queen's Press, 1999), and Patrick
O'Flaherty has just published, privately, his _Old Newfoundland A History to
1843_ (St. John's, 1999). Both these last two works deal in some detail with
Catholic clergy in Newfoundland politics, who happened to be exclusively
Irish, but neither of these works particularly concerned themselves with a
whole raft of Irish dynamics at play.

Essentially, within the past generation in Newfoundland, scholarship on the
Irish has begun to bloom, probably because the Irish of the 18th century
became the Newfoundlanders of the 19th century, and Newfoundlanders,
especially of my father's generation, were told in 1949 that they had to
become Canadians. It's only within the past generation that Newfoundlanders
have become interested in the Irishness of their heritage.

I hope this helps. Readers who might desire other references are welcome to
contact me off-list and if I can help, I would be happy to do so.

With regards,

John FitzGerald
Dept. of History
Memorial University

From: Patrick Maume
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Fellowship Club
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

From:Patrick Maume
I think John Finerty, the famous firebrand orator and congressman,
editor of the CHICAGO CITIZEN (which has unfortunately been lost) may
have been a prime mover in the Chicago Fellowship Club. His daughter
Vera was an important contact for TP O'Connor and Richard Hazleton
when they came over on the last big Irish Parliamentary Party
fundraising mission in 1917-18. THe IFC was about the only Irish body
they could get to back them (presumably because of its elite nature) -
it gave them $10,000 to prop up the FREEMN's JOURNAL. A few years
later the IFC was backing SF. THere is some correspondence relating
to this in the Dillon Papers at Trinity College, Dublin.
In January 1949 Sean MacBride celebrated the declaration of the
IRish Republic as a guest of the Chicago IFC rather than in Dublin
(part of his posing as a world statesman which allowed Costello to
overshadow him politically). The Irish Film Centre in Dublin has a
tape of an anti-partition TV interview he gave to a Chicago station on
the occasion - interesting because the tape has been edited to remove
the questions to which MacBride is responding and because he is so
clearly unused to and ill-at-ease on television.
Best wishes,
Patrick
On Wed 19 Apr 2000 07:53:00 +0000 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk> Date: Wed 19 Apr 2000 07:53:00
+0000
> Subject: Ir-D Irish from Elsewhere
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>
>
> From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish FROM Newfoundland
>
> Dear Paddy,
> Glad you're back! Hope the conference went well.
> First a question - what does H-Catholic mean?
> Second, it was good to see Mr. Fitzgerald's query about the
attention which
> has been given by American historians to Irish immigrants who did
not come
> straight off the boat but who'd had experience elsewhere in the 'New
World"
> which had given them some economic success and the confidence which
> accompanies that. More evidence of the history of this group, or
groups,
> could help to shed some light on the process of integration of Irish
> immigrants into the social structure here and, also, of the social
divisions
> which are plainly apparent within the Irish in America.
> My interest in this particular aspect of social divisions within
the Irish
> immigrants as well as between them and the 'host' population was
further
> stimulated by finding some very interesting documents in the
archives of the
> Chicago Historical Society. The records of the Irish Fellowship
Club, for
> instance, in the late 19th. and early 20th centuries indicate that
the club
> was dominated by wealthy Irish ( wealthy? only after less than 50
yrs of
> Chicago's beginnings as a city?) who were Republican in sympathy and
> political affiliation. Not just wealth, however. Their political
influence
> both in Chicago and Ireland was strong. On St. Patrick's day, in
1910, the
> Club had a banquet at which the President of the United States -
President
> Taft - was the honoured guest. A cavalcade of automobiles escorted
the
> President to the dinner. He and the President of the IFC occupied
the first
> car; the Mayor of Chicago was in car number 7.
> The President of the IFC at the time also had a long period of
> correspondence with W.T. Cosgrave, President of the first Council of
Ireland,
> and his family which indicates that both families were on close
terms.
> So, socially and politically, Irish immigration to this continent
and the
> progression of the Irish through its social structure - when they
weren't
> defining it - becomes more and more fascinating as we try to start
locating
> them, where they came from,how they prospered and how social
divisions have
> opened-up. Mr. Fitzgerald's question has helped here. Where did
the
> ancestors of the wealthy and politically powerful Republican
controllers of
> the IFC come from? They were well-established before the major
immigrations
> into Chicago in the late 19th century and had a brief 40 or so years
to
> build-up wealth and clout. Did they start in Canada and/or Ireland
or even,
> perhaps have British ( God save the mark!) connections.
> My favourite character, in this regard, is a person whose
autobiographical
> notes I found in the archives. He was born in Galway, was very
well-educated
> there and then sent, by the British government, to work on the
national
> survey in Canada. He lived happily there in a small town until one
fateful
> day when life changed. It was the 12th. of July, sacred to his
Protestant
> Orange neighbours with whom he'd lived in relative peace. They
decided that
> the old tradition of 'No Surrender' should be fully celebrated and,
as this
> required a bridge with a temporarily erected 'King Billy Arch' this
was
> hastily constructed over the only bridge over the only river in the
immediate
> neighbourhood. This was fine, except that tradition demanded that an
armed
> 'hero', on this occasion equipped with a sword, should stand guard
and deny
> access to all who would not swear allegiance.
> The result was predictable - confusion, leading to riot, leading
to injury
> and death. The diarist left town within days with wife and family,
found his
> way first to Milwaukee and then to Chicago. Here he became employed
> immediately as a surveyor to help reconstruct Chicago after the
great fire
> and continued thereafter as a senior member of the city
administration.
> How many like him came into urban America from Irish roots but
through
> complicated ways and helped to establish the sort of Irish 'upper'
class and
> the consequent social confidence which the 'Irish' here enjoy and
which the
> Chicago IFC epitomises? Good question. Any answers?
>
> John Hickey

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Studies, Montreal

Dear Michael

Many thanks for the information on Irish Studies at
Concordia. Would you mind sending me the details on
address, phone numbers, contact person, website etc. so I
can have that on file?

Rob Savage sends his regards.

Best wishes

Kevin


----------------------
Kevin Kenny
Department of History, Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

From Guillermo & Alicia MacLoughlin
Reply-To:
From: "Cristina Manzano"

Happy Easter to all.

Best regards,

Guillermo & Alicia MacLoughlin

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I would like members of the Irish-Diaspora list to know that I have agreed to act as
Consultant Editor, Irish Diaspora, for the new Encyclopaedia of Ireland, to be published
by Gill & Macmillan, publishers, Dublin.

I was very much in two minds about taking on this task - it is a lot of work, yet, in the
end, what can be accomplished may be quite small and limited.

The background to the approach to us, here in Bradford, is that the Editor of the
Encyclopaedia, Brian Lalor, did a thorough trawl through existing Irish works of
reference. And he and the publishers were alarmed to observe how few items fell within
the category 'Irish Diaspora'. Explanations for this pattern are quite simple. Existing
Irish works of reference tend to ignore the Irish Diaspora. And, further, many items will
have Irish resonances or contexts, which tend to be ignored within Ireland.

In the end I felt that we cannot go on complaining that Irish works of reference ignore
the Irish Diaspora, and at the same time refuse to get involved in projects like this.
The clincher was a lengthy meeting with the Editor, Brian Lalor - who seems like the sort
of person who gets things done.

My thanks to all those who sent me words of encouragement, as I mulled this over. As
ever, special thanks are due to Kerby Miller, who, as ever, acted with kindness and
courtesy.

We have been approached comparatively late in the development of this Encyclopaedia, and I
am now working hard to help our bit catch up with others. We have that special problem of
overlap, mentioned above - so that I do need to track what the other Consultant Editors
are doing.

I do not want to dilute the general usefulness, and business, of the Irish-Diaspora list.
But, without making this a formal Irish-Diaspora list project, I would like to feel able
to turn to the Ir-D list for advice and support during the coming months. I would like to
feel that all of you, and your networks, are behind this. I suppose that the
Encyclopaedia of Ireland might be useful to you, in making your own scholarship and
projects more visible.

I genuinely would like to hear from anyone who has ideas about approach and subject
matter. Email me personally at
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
I am still at the stage of thinking through what can be done, within - it must be
stressed - very severe limitations. From time to time I will report on progress, problems
and successes, to the Irish-Diaspora list.

Patrick O'Sullivan

- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Irish-Diaspora list
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/

Personal Fax National 0870 284 1580
Fax International +44 870 284 1580

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England

From: Pauric.Travers[at]spd.ie
Subject: Jeremiah MacVeagh, MP South Down, 1906-1

A former student of mine who is pursuing doctoral studies on the history
of Irish tourism is looking for any detailed biographical information
about Jeremiah MacVeagh MP for South Down from 1906. I suggested she
contact Patrick Maume. Has anyone any more direct leads?
Thanks

Pauric Travers

**************************************************************
St. Patrick's College, Drumcondra, Dublin 9, Ireland
(A College of Dublin City University)
Telephone +353-1-8842000 Fax +353-1-8376197

http://www.spd.dcu.ie

Colaiste Phadraigh, Droim Conrach, Baile Atha Cliath 9, Eire
(Colaiste de chuid Ollscoil Chathair Bhaile Atha Cliath)
Fon +353-1-8842000 Feacs +353-1-8376197
**************************************************************

From: Pauric.Travers[at]spd.ie
Subject: Psychological Distress among Emigrants

A colleague of mine (Mairin Nic Eoin) is seeking references to studies of
mental health of Irish emigrants: she is familiar with "White skins,
white masks: psychological distress among the Irish in Britain" by Liam
Greenslade in Patrick O'Sullivan (ed.) The Irish in the New Communities?
and the material referred to there. She is looking for some
supplementary material for a paper she preparing on the theme of
cultural displacement in recent work by Nuala Ní Dhomhnaill, and would
like to allude to any relevant work on the trauma of exile in the context
of the experiences of the Irish diaspora. I know there was a long-running
exchange in the Irish Diaspora network in this general area and have
passed on some some of the more obvious references.Are there any recent
general summaries for someone whose interest is literary rather than
historical.

**************************************************************
St. Patrick's College, Drumcondra, Dublin 9, Ireland
(A College of Dublin City University)
Telephone +353-1-8842000 Fax +353-1-8376197

http://www.spd.dcu.ie

Colaiste Phadraigh, Droim Conrach, Baile Atha Cliath 9, Eire
(Colaiste de chuid Ollscoil Chathair Bhaile Atha Cliath)
Fon +353-1-8842000 Feacs +353-1-8376197
**************************************************************

From: "joan hugman"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Encyclopaedia of Ireland

Dear Paddy
It seems like a mammoth task but I am sure that everyone who enjoys
the benefits and delights of the IR-D will be ready and willing to
support you.
have a happy easter (and a holiday??)
best wishes
Joan


Subject: Ir-D
Encyclopaedia of Ireland Date: Thu 20 Apr 2000 09:54:00
+0000 From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Reply-to:
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk To:
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk



>From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I would like members of the Irish-Diaspora list to know that I have agreed to act as
Consultant Editor, Irish Diaspora, for the new Encyclopaedia of Ireland, to be published
by Gill & Macmillan, publishers, Dublin.

I was very much in two minds about taking on this task - it is a lot of work, yet, in the
end, what can be accomplished may be quite small and limited.

The background to the approach to us, here in Bradford, is that the Editor of the
Encyclopaedia, Brian Lalor, did a thorough trawl through existing Irish works of
reference. And he and the publishers were alarmed to observe how few items fell within
the category 'Irish Diaspora'. Explanations for this pattern are quite simple. Existing
Irish works of reference tend to ignore the Irish Diaspora. And, further, many items will
have Irish Diaspora resonances or contexts, which tend to be ignored within Ireland.

In the end I felt that we cannot go on complaining that Irish works of reference ignore
the Irish Diaspora, and at the same time refuse to get involved in projects like this.
The clincher was a lengthy meeting with the Editor, Brian Lalor - who seems like the sort
of person who gets things done.

My thanks to all those who sent me words of encouragement, as I mulled this over. As
ever, special thanks are due to Kerby Miller, who, as ever, acted with kindness and
courtesy.

We have been approached comparatively late in the development of this Encyclopaedia, and I
am now working hard to help our bit catch up with others. We have that special problem of
overlap, mentioned above - so that I do need to track what the other Consultant Editors
are doing.

I do not want to dilute the general usefulness, and business, of the Irish-Diaspora list.
But, without making this a formal Irish-Diaspora list project, I would like to feel able
to turn to the Ir-D list for advice and support during the coming months. I would like to
feel that all of you, and your networks, are behind this. I suppose that the
Encyclopaedia of Ireland might be useful to you, in making your own scholarship and
projects more visible.

I genuinely would like to hear from anyone who has ideas about approach and subject
matter. Email me personally at
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
I am still at the stage of thinking through what can be done, within - it must be
stressed - very severe limitations. From time to time I will report on progress, problems
and successes, to the Irish-Diaspora list.

Patrick O'Sullivan

- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Irish-Diaspora list
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/

Personal Fax National 0870 284 1580
Fax International +44 870 284 1580

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England


Joan Hugman
Department of History, Armstrong Building,
University of Newcastle NE1 7RU Tel 0191 222 6701

From: "Michael Kenneally"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Studies, Montreal

Dear Kevin,

Here is some information on the Canadian Journal of Irish Studies. Other
information on what we are doing at Concordia is still in the process of
been put together. So this will give at least some contact info on the
journal and my own co-ordinates.

All good wishes,
Michael
- ----- Original Message ----- 


Canadian Journal of Irish Studies
moves to
Concordia University, Montreal



Professor Cecil Houston, President of the Canadian Association for Irish
Studies, is pleased to announce that Michael Kenneally will assume the job
of editor of the Canadian Journal of Irish Studies, beginning with the
Spring 2000 issue, Vol. 26, # 1. CJIS will be published under the auspices
of Canadian Irish Studies at Concordia University.

With the move to Montreal, the journal will widen its editorial focus by
publishing articles, book reviews, interviews and creative expression which
promote an understanding and appreciation of Irish history and culture in
their broadest terms. It will have a special interest in the migration and
settlement of the Irish in Canada and other countries. To that end, the
editor encourages scholarly work on the Irish diaspora which explores
subjects such as politics, history, labour, education, womenâ??s studies,
material culture, geography, music, art, film, literature, social mobility
and assimilation. The editor also welcomes a variety of critical and
methodological perspectives, in particular multi- and inter-disciplinary
approaches.

Submissions are encouraged from CAIS members and non-members alike.
Articles should follow the MLA Style Sheet, be written in an engaging style
and represent a genuine contribution to scholarship in Irish and Canadian
Irish Studies. CJIS is a refereed journal which submits manuscripts to two
assessors before publication. Please send manuscripts in hard copy and on
IBM-compatible diskette to

Michael Kenneally, editor email:
kenneal[at]vax2.concordia.ca
Canadian Journal of Irish Studies phone/fax: (514) 848-7389
Concordia University
2480 West Broadway
Montreal, QC.
Canada H4B 1R6






From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:53 AM
Subject: Ir-D Irish Studies, Montreal


>
> From: Kevin Kenny
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Studies, Montreal
>
> Dear Michael
>
> Many thanks for the information on Irish Studies at
> Concordia. Would you mind sending me the details on
> address, phone numbers, contact person, website etc. so I
> can have that on file?
>
> Rob Savage sends his regards.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Kevin
>
>
> ----------------------
> Kevin Kenny
> Department of History, Boston College
> 140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
> Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
> www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

Subject: Re: Ir-D Encyclopaedia of Ireland
From: michaeljcurran

Hi Patrick
greetings from Belfast and TCD. Firstly congrats on your appointment as
consultant editor on the Irish Diaspora segment of the new Irish
publication.
My tuppence worth would suggest that Irish Diaspora studies need to be more
inter-disciplinary, and not just history/literature with a smattering of
sociology - as at present. I would propose the addition of a more dynamic
quantitative psychosocial thrust.
The mental and physical health disparities of the Irish Diaspora come to
mind as one example. This to be seen wherever the Irish are a recognizable
ethnic minority, in USA, Canada, Australia as well as in the British
context.
Anyway keep us posted and happy Easter.
Slan, Michael


Michael J. Curran
Irish Diaspora Project
Dept. of Psychology
Aras an Phiarsaigh
Trinity College
DUBLIN 2, Ireland
curranmj[at]tcd.ie
Phone: +353 1 608 1886
FAX: +353 1 671 2006, and
+ 44 28 90 836042 (home)

www.tcd.ie/Psychology/Michael_Curran/diaspora.html

From: "alex peach"
Subject: Racism and the Irish

Just a quick footnote to an issue we discussed some time ago, racism and =
the Irish in Britain. Apparently a group of MPs have written a report on =
institutionalised racism within the medical profession in regard to =
assessing ethnic minorities for state benefits. One example, given in =
yesterday's Guardian, is of a doctor who referred within this context to =
an Irishman's alcoholism, even though he had no evidence of him being a =
drinker let alone an alcoholic. The question that arises out of this is =
are the Irish in Britain more prone to mental illness because of the =
pressures of such discrimination or because a racist medical profession =
is more likely to consider them mentally ill based on stereotypical =
assumptions of their lifestyles?

Alex Peach
DeMontfort University
UK

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Studies, Montreal

Dear Michael

Many thanks.

Kevin

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Kevin Kenny
Department of History, Boston College
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