From Patrick O'Sullivan

I mentioned the Discovery Programme publications in an earlier email: helpful, and
interesting - and up-to-date - summaries of archaeology and history in key areas. Like,
lake dwellings for example...

There is more information, plus some background essays, at the Discovery Programme's own
web site
http://www.discoveryprogramme.ie/

Well worth browsing...

P.O'S.

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From Patrick O'Sullivan

This book review will be of interest - if only as an example, within comparative diaspora
studies, of that jostling for position that you often come across in the
historiographies...

P.O'S.


Reviewed for H-Albion by Carla Gerona
Marianne Wokeck. _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass
Migration to North America_. The Pennsylvania State University
Press: University Park, 1999. xxx + 319 pp. Tables, maps, notes,
appendix, bibliography, index. $60.00 (cloth), ISBN
0-271-01832-1; $21.50 (paper), ISBN 0-271-01833-X.
http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=11558964038656


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From: Dean_Holt[at]att.net
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D History of Irish Catholicism?

Patrick:

Thanks for adding this message about the H-Catholic Brief
Bibliographies...if any of the Ir-D list members are
interested we would love to have brief bibliographies on
Irish Catholicism and/or Catholic emigrants in England.
Patrick Holt
H-Catholic Moderator
Dean_Holt[at]worldnet.att.net

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Dean_Holt[at]worldnet.att.net
>
>
> From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> The following item appeared on the H-Catholic list. Is any member of the Ir-D
> list able
> to respond to Patrick Holt's request, and construct a brief, annotated
> bibliography on
> Catholicism in Ireland?
>
> And Irish Catholicism world-wide?
>
> The hard word is 'brief'...
>
> P.O'S.
>
>
> Forwarded on behalf of Patrick Holt [Pjholt[at]worldnet.att.net]
>
> Subject: New feature for H-Catholic
>
>
> Several H-Catholic editors have already heard about an idea I will now suggest
> to the
> list. Since our research interests vary over so many times and places it might
> be good to have a feature that broadens our collective knowledge. My first
> thought was to ask some established scholars on the list to provide the list
> with short annotated bibliographies on a subject for those of us who know
> nothing of the field. We would want to keep each list to perhaps 5 books with
> only 1 paragraph or so of annotation. I would love to hear off-list from anyone
> who feels competent and motivated enough to contribute. I would want the
> bibliographies to remain fairly broad...perhaps on Catholicism in just one
> particular Country for example. I look forward to hearing about your ideas.
> Patrick Holt
>

From Patrick O'Sullivan

The Transnational Communities Programme of the ESRC (previously much discussed on the
Irish-Diaspora list) has sent out a new issue of its newsletter, Transcomm News. I will
not give full details - because the Newsletter usually appears in full, after a little
delay, on the Web site...

http://www.transcomm.ox.ac.uk/

Also it is easy to get hold of copies - contact via the Web site or from
Transnational Communities
An ESRC Research Programme

Dr Steve Vertovec - Director
Ms Anna Winton - Administrator
Transnational Communities
University of Oxford
Faculty of Anthropology and Geography
Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology
51 Banbury Road
Oxford OX2 6PE
Tel: +44 1865 274711
Fax: +44 1865 274718

Email: anna.winton[at]anthro.ox.ac.uk

The Web site is worth browsing. For example, there are items under...
Publications
Traces
Newsletter
Bibliography

'Traces' is a round-up of relevant news items. I felt it was worth passing on one item
from 'Traces' in full - about the Irish Diaspora. That follows as a separate email.

Also on that Web site, there are some useful general essays, which can be downloaded in
Adobe Acrobat...

P.O'S.

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From Patrick O'Sullivan

This is the full text of the item I thought worth sharing with the Irish-Diaspora list...

P.O'S.

From 'Traces'
the news round up at
http://www.transcomm.ox.ac.uk/

The Irish Diaspora, a Needed But Neglected Resource?
There are signs that the return of Irish emigrants has peaked, yet the country?s booming
economy still needs their labour. Could the Irish government do more to involve the
diaspora in public affairs?
Of the estimated 3 million Irish citizens living abroad, 1.2 million were actually born in
Ireland. Two-thirds are in Britain, 500,000 in USA, 250,000 in Australia, 75,000 in
Canada, 40,000 in New Zealand, and 35,000 in South Africa. A further 40,000 are in other
EU countries than Britain. It has been estimated that there are 70 million people abroad
with Irish ancestry.

The amended Article 2 of the Republic?s Constitution, changed as a result of the Belfast
Agreement, states that "the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of
Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage". This
represents a new deterritorialised definition of Irishness. Presidents Robinson and
McAleese have both suggested that the diaspora has a role to play in the peace process:
half of Irish abroad are Protestant. But, according to the opinion of Paul Gillespie
writing in The Irish Times, the diaspora has little or no official recognition in
government, especially when compared with Greece or other countries. Churches and
voluntary groups make some contacts, and there are also business networks such as the
Ireland Fund. The Department of Foreign Affairs spends some money on informing overseas
Irish how to return. But otherwise there is no formal structure for participating in
public affairs. There is no provision for participating in elections, and suggestions by
three Senators to introduce representation were blocked. This state of affairs compares
poorly with the status accorded to diaspora nationals in many other European countries.

Despite the return of Irish from abroad, Ireland?s booming economy is short of labour.
Some 65,000 people, mostly expatriate professionals, have joined the labour market in the
past four years. But there are signs that the numbers coming back have peaked. There was a
net gain of 22,800 in the year to April 1998, but only 18,500 in the year to April 1999.
Of the 47,500 immigrants in that year, just over half were returnees (25,900).

Unemployment rates are about half the EU average. As a result, Ireland is developing a
demand for immigrant workers, particularly in low-paid and low-skilled jobs. But there is
also a demand for skilled professionals. The Irish government estimates it needs to find
200,000 more skilled workers over the next seven years. A campaign has been launched to
attract another 10,000 Irish expatriates and EU nationals to work in tele-services,
electronics, software and financial industries. There are plans to take the recruitment
drive to the USA. In March the Taoiseach helped launch a new e-business company aimed at
the Irish community in the USA. Called www.Ireland-USA.com, it features news, information
and recruitment details to attract returnees.

A survey by Yankelovich Partners for Local Ireland, an Irish diaspora website, found that
almost two-thirds of Irish online users would interact with Ireland on the internet. This
compared with 22 percent of the general population who said that they would connect with
their ancestral homeland. Half of the Irish-American visitors to Local Ireland go to their
genealogy section, where they can get advice on tracing their roots. And 42 percent of
their visitors also travel to Ireland at least once a year. The Tourist Board estimates
that there will be one million trips from USA to Ireland in 2000.

Around 10,000 Irish leave Britain to return every year. Despite this, St Patrick?s Day
festivities in 2000 attracted record crowds in Birmingham and Manchester. Michael Ford,
from the Irish World Heritage Centre in Manchester was quoted in The Independent, saying
that Irish people feel more confident about public displays of their identity now that the
peace process has advanced.

Situations vacant ? but how will they be filled? Irish Times 17.1.00; Diaspora a resource
to the Celtic Tiger, Paul Gillespie The Irish Times 22.1.00; Ireland's labour shortage
points to need for immigration, John Murray Brown Financial Times 10.2.00; St Patrick?s
Day survey reveals Irish-Americans are more likely than other ethnic groups to use the
Internet to connect to the land of their ancestors, PR Newswire 16.3.00; Ireland?s
Diaspora go back home to join in the boom, The Independent 17.3.00; Drury starts website
to attract Irish-Americans, Sunday Business Post 19.3.00

From Patrick O'Sullivan

And...

As a footnote to 'Irish Diaspora, Neglected Resource', we have received a message, below,
from FAS, the Irish Training and Employment Authority.

We are still sorting out our new Web site software - after a number of vicissitudes (which
I will not go into again). And we do need to tidy and up-date our Links page.

So... Yes, we research and study the Irish Diaspora - and here we are being asked to
change the very thing we study...

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----
From: fasjobsireland [mailto:fasjire[at]iol.ie]
To: P.OSullivan[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Request for hotlink


Dear Web Master,

I am interested in the connection between our websites which share a common
theme.

www.fasjobsireland.com is designed to help those who wish to move to Ireland
and be a part of the country's recent economic success. FAS (the Irish
Training and Employment Authority), under an Irish government initiative,
has created this free website to encourage the Irish Diaspora and others
interested in living in Ireland to consider a career move to Ireland. At
present there is a high demand for those with certain skills to move to
Ireland to help continue with the rapid expansion the economy has seen in
the past six years.

The audience which your website attracts would, I believe, also be attracted
to the possibility of a move to Ireland, where career advancement can be
accompanied by a move to one's own homeland or the homeland of one's
forebears, a country where the opportunity to live and work has never been
more appealing.

www.fasjobsireland.com is offered free of charge to individuals all over the
world and to companies within Ireland who seek new talent abroad. I would
appreciate if you could create a hotlink between our sites. Your audience
would, I believe, appreciate the information we have available to them.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to e-mail me. I would be
happy to reply to any questions about the goals of our site.

For your information, the website will go live at the end of this month. In
the meantime, www.fasjobsireland.com will re-direct you to the old FAS
website.



Yours truly,



Aideen Ward
info[at]fasjobsireland.com
www.fasjobsireland.com
A conclusive guide to working and living in Ireland, including job
vacancies. This site is a free service from FAS, Ireland's Training and
Employment Authority
353-1-668-2330

From: "alex peach"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D Discovery Programme

Just a observation (and a bit of polemic) on the uses of archaeology by
nation states to underpin the nation building project. Having been a great
fan of the Neolithic-to Iron Age period of archaeology for many years, I was
struck recently by how many ancient sites have been utilised by nation
states as discursive texts hijacked into give a sense of primordial history
to the nation. Although these sites are completely removed from modern
society they have been reconstituted as ?national monuments? in the modern
period. The British government first brought ancient archaeology under its
protection in 1880, the Victorian era being a key period of nation building
in these isles. Many were ?renovated? with variable success after millennia
of neglect. Stonehenge is a world heritage site and was recently described
as a ?national disgrace? by a select committee of MPs who wish it to be
?modernised? into a sort of Neolithic theme park. The small stone entrance
of the Newgrange burial chamber/stone circle in Ireland was demolished and
widened to facilitate visitors access to the chamber and give the site a
more impressive appearance fitting its importance as a major national site.
Its rather ?disco? renovation is grand but serves the interests of the
modern monument rather than the original one. Likewise the impressive East
Aquhorthies near Aberdeen in Scotland is a neatly renovated, well trimmed,
modern walled stone circle (which gave me a feeling of Presbyterian
orderliness) befitting its place as a Scottish national treasure. It was
with these thoughts in mind that I read the Discovery programmes mission
statement :


?The Discovery Programme is an archaeological research institution. Its
primary aim is through archaeological and related research, to work towards
a coherent and comprehensive picture of human life in Ireland from earliest
times. Its second aim is to publish the results of this research,
scientifically and in ways which can be appreciated by the general public.?

All very worthy stuff to be encouraged, but the key theme here is public
accessibility.

?In May 1992, the Discovery Programme (established originally on 11 May
1991) published its first booklet The Discovery Programme -Strategies and
Questions. This set out the future work for the organisation. It included,
as part of its general strategy, the intention 'to identify those major
research questions which can most rewardingly be addressed by co-ordinated
programmes of research.' ?

And these were?

?The Programme decided that, initially, it would emphasise a 'core period'
for research. The Late Bronze Age and Iron Age were chosen as it was felt
that 'this period and the various transitions and intrusions that took place
within it should be better understood, in particular the emergence of a
complex Celtic society.?

Now, I am expert on ?Celtic? society but it seems to me that this is
bordering on primordial imaginings of an ancient racially pure Ireland along
similar lines to Anglo-Saxonism than came to dominate British racial thought
from the late 1880s during its nation building era. This Late Bronze
Age/Iron Age core period (arbitrary in itself) is in my opinion linked to an
invention of Irishness that underpins the modern states concerns with
rooting itself in time. The state backed project is obviously about
discovering the past of ?Celticity? as much as pure archaeological research
it seems. You can not in my opinion rule out the Neolithic because ?it is
felt? it will not explain anything about the ?emergence of a complex Celtic
society?. Carefully chosen words these?..

A question to end, can anyone recommend anything on the construction of ?The
Celt??

- -----Original Message-----
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Date: 28 July 2000 10:08
Subject: Ir-D Discovery Programme


>
>
>From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>I mentioned the Discovery Programme publications in an earlier email:
helpful, and
>interesting - and up-to-date - summaries of archaeology and history in key
areas. Like,
>lake dwellings for example...
>
>There is more information, plus some background essays, at the Discovery
Programme's own
>web site
>http://www.discoveryprogramme.ie/
>
>Well worth browsing...
>
>P.O'S.
>
>--
>Patrick O'Sullivan
>Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
>
>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>Irish-Diaspora list
>Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/
>
>Personal Fax National 0870 284 1580
>Fax International +44 870 284 1580
>
>Irish Diaspora Research Unit
>Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
>University of Bradford
>Bradford BD7 1DP
>Yorkshire
>England
>
>

From: Kerby Miller
Subject: Re: Ir-D Wokeck, Trade in Strangers

Dear Diasporan Colleagues,

In response to Paddy's notice of the review of Wokeck's book, I
would be curious to learn whether any of you has noticed the radical
minimilization of the number of Ulster (especially Protestant) immigrants
to North America, 1700-1776, that has occurred in the scholarship during
the past decade or so: from R. J. Dickson's 150,000 down to as low as
35,000 in Wokeck and, most notably, in Louis Cullen's article in Nicholas
Canny's EUROPEANS ON THE MOVE (Oxford, 1994). I would be interested to
learn whether you (or anyone) have responded to this trend, in print or
otherwise, in research.

Many thanks,
Kerby Miller.



>From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>This book review will be of interest - if only as an example, within
>comparative diaspora
>studies, of that jostling for position that you often come across in the
>historiographies...
>
>P.O'S.
>
>
>Reviewed for H-Albion by Carla Gerona
> Marianne Wokeck. _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass
> Migration to North America_. The Pennsylvania State University
> Press: University Park, 1999. xxx + 319 pp. Tables, maps, notes,
> appendix, bibliography, index. $60.00 (cloth), ISBN
> 0-271-01832-1; $21.50 (paper), ISBN 0-271-01833-X.
>http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=11558964038656
>
>
>--
>Patrick O'Sullivan
>Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
>
>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>Irish-Diaspora list
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>
>Personal Fax National 0870 284 1580
>Fax International +44 870 284 1580
>
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>Yorkshire
>England

Subject: Re: Ir-D Archaeological polemic
From: Eileen A Sullivan

Dear Alex,

Enjoyed the polemic.

Look into the following:
THE CELTS Joseph Rafferty,editor Mercier press 1947, 1964
Thomas Davis Lectures
defines linguistic restriction of the term, 'Celtic", includes essays by
David Greene, James J.Tierney, Otto- Herman Frey, Myles Dillon, and
Kenneth Jackson
check Frey's " The Archaeology of the Continental Celts' translated from
the German by Rafferty and his"The Archaeology of the Celts in Ireland."


THE CELTS T.G.E. Powell Thames and Howell 1958, 1959
Head of Prehistoric Arch. Univ of Liverpool
Lots of pictures, talks of the "abundance of archaeological remains."



CELTIC STUDIES JAMES CARNEY (my old Irish Prof at U of CA Los Angeles)
DAVID GREENE editors Barnes and Noble, 1968
copright Gaelic Society of Scotland
Essays in memory of Angus Matheson
Contributions of scholars from U of Edinburgh, U of Oslo, Dublin
Inst of Advanced Studies, U of Glasgow,Trinity College Dublin,
Royal Irish Academy, UnivCollege Cardiff, U of Leeds, and Nora
Chadwick.
Mostly grammatical and literary. Necessary to continue such research by
going around the myths exposed in these studies. Gives a pan Celtic
perspective. Marks the removal of the Dalriadic dynasty from Ireland to
Scotland circa 500 by Fergus Mor mac Eire and his continued rule of the
Dal Riata in Ireland.


Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director
The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332
3690
6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail :
eolas1[at]juno.com
Gainesville, FL 32653

From Patrick O'Sullivan

Alex,

This is now a main theme in archaeological studies. Which is very strong here in
Bradford. And which I have much discussed with Charles Orser. Who may chime in with
further reading, if he is back from his dig.

In Europe - with the collapse of communism, and the emergence or re-emergence of new
states - the whole of the archaeological record is up for grabs. The use of
archaeological sites in nation-building is standard practice - the example of Zimbabwe is
always cited.

In Ireland the article on E. Estyn Evans, previously mentioned on the Ir-D list, is one
starting point...

Journal name Transactions of the Institute of British Geographers
ISSN 0020-2754 electronic:0020-2754
Publisher Royal Geographical Society
Issue 1994 - volume 19 - issue 2
Page 183 - 201
The search for the commom ground: Estyn Evans's Ireland
Graham, Brian J

For Evans can be read as a sort of Ulster nationalist, developing an attack on 'Irish
Ireland' through archaeology. That is certainly how his critics read him. If the - as it
were - sub-structure of Ireland can be shown to pre-date the Celts, then the Celts become
just another bunch of invaders, settlers and planters.

On 'The Celts', the best book is Malcolm Chapman, The Celts: The Construction of a Myth,
Macmillan/St. Martin's Press, 1992. There is my review on my web site, which touches on
some of the wider issues...
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/

This book is now on all the reading lists, and in the bibliographies - but it is most
probably too much to ask that its arguments be taken on board. The Preface to Barry
Cunliffe, The Ancient Celts, OUP, 1997, Penguin 1999, has what I take to be a coded
reference to Chapman - and Chapman is in his bibliography. But the rest of the book is
'The Celts' as ever.

As to the Discovery Programme Web site - I was drawn to it by the publications, which are
excellent. And people had asked for a contact point. Like you I was struck by the
'nation-building' preamble found on the Web site. But nations are built out of whatever
lies to hand - 'bricolage'...

Under my playwrighting development hat I have a lot of contact with Slovenia - and get
sent material by the Slovene government. It is simply astounding what they are grabbing,
to give their new state, their nation, a history. They even use Weber's Protestant ethic
thesis...

The playwrights, on the other hand, are great admirers of Sean O'Casey - the playwright
building in a critique of the nation state, right from the beginning.

Paddy


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From Patrick O'Sullivan

Can anyone help with this query, about a mural in Shannon Airport?

And if anyone is actually walking past the thing, could you see if it is signed?

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Carol A. McGill

Hello Mr. O'Sullivan
I am currently researching the representation
of the Irish Diaspora in Irish and Irish-American
modern Literature. Hopefully the culmination of
this project will be a well written thesis on the
subject. I have found your writings very helpful
and appreciate the effort you have made to make
this topic available the internet.
I am trying to locate some information on and a picture
of the mural depicting the Irish diaspora, which is
located right before the U.S. Immigration check point
at Shannon Airport in Ireland. I am an Irish citizen,
living and studying in New York and although I travel
back to Ireland often, I no longer travel through Shannon.
Can you help me or point me in the direction of someone
who may be able to do so. I have already written to Aer
Rianta and other management companies in Shannon but
so far I've not had much luck. Thank you for your time.
Carol McGill

From Patrick O'Sullivan



The following newspaper item has been brought to our attention....

Irish Times Monday, July 31, 2000


Groups set to research the
genetic origins of the Irish


The Royal Irish Academy this morning announces
funding for four research projects in genetic
anthropology, studies which will explore the origins
of the Irish. Dick Ahlstrom reports on the projects

Who are our closest kin in Europe? We see signs here of the
Celtic tradition but did any Celts actually reach our shores in
ancient times? How closely related genetically are the two
traditions in the North?

These are just a few of the complex questions that could be
answered following the announcement today of four research
projects which will examine the genetic origins of the peoples
of Ireland.

The four were selected from a larger group of applicants in a
programme overseen by the Royal Irish Academy and funded
by the National Millennium Committee. Each £40,000 project
will receive half its funding from the committee and researchers
are expected to report preliminary findings this December at a
conference organised by the RIA.

The funding, as with all RIA undertakings, was available to
groups North and South. The successful research groups are
from Trinity College Dublin, University College Cork, Queens
University with the City Hospital Belfast and the Royal College
of Surgeons with the Children's Hospital.

One might assume that learning about our past would require
an extensive root through collections of bones from the
National Museum, but in fact only one of the four projects will
be attempting to extract old genetic material "ancient DNA"
from archaeological remains, explained Trinity's project leader,
Prof Dan Bradley.

Most of the detective work, he said, focuses on where we are
now and the relatedness that can be established between
existing Irish and European populations. A better
understanding of our genetic make-up today tells the
researchers what to look for in ancient DNA.

But why look back at all? Is it a matter of supreme noseyness
for scientists to attempt to genetically brand people? Anything
but, explained Prof Alun Evans, who will lead the project at
Queens in co-operation with Dr Derek Middleton of City
Hospital Belfast. Their project will study differences and
similarities between the two populations in the North. The
groups clearly have a different historical background but their
genes may show they have a greater relatedness than might be
assumed.

"It is basically trying to sort out the ebb and flow of human
populations and where the earliest inhabitants came from," Prof
Evans explained. Archaeologists have found stone carvings
characteristic of the Celts in this country, but did they
actually
colonise Ireland, he asks. "Really the only way to sort this
thing
out is genetic anthropology."

No assumptions could be made about such things, he
suggested. It was known for example that what is now England
was colonised about 70,000 years ago but this initial
population died out. "Eight to nine thousand years ago modern
man came to Ireland, largely bypassing England, Wales and
Scotland and inhabiting Ireland. We don't know where those
people came from, or where are our natural cousins in
Europe."

The work isn't just about locating long-lost cousins. The
findings could benefit us in a number of ways, explained Prof
David McConnell, professor of genetics at Trinity and also
chair of the RIA's advisory committee on genetic anthropology.

The Irish data will fill in part of the wider picture of European
migration and colonisation by early humans after the end of the
last Ice Age 13,000 years ago. The results could help to
explain the pattern of health and illness of the present peoples
of Ireland and the excesses we have in certain genetic
disorders such as spina bifida.

The Queens/City Hospital project will involve the study of
thousands of DNA samples from across the North, looking for
specific DNA sequences that will provide information about
relatedness between the two communities. Data will be
analysed according to surname, what county a person comes
from, whether east or west of the Bann, rural versus urban and
so forth.

Prof Bradley's project at the department of genetics at Trinity
will expand on earlier work looking at current Irish populations
and genetic differences between them. He will look in
particular at the apparent lack of genetic diversity within the
island, which could be the combined result of an initial "founder
effect" plus a comparative lack of secondary inward migration.

Dr Barra Ó Donnabháin will lead a group at University College
Cork which includes Benedict Hallgrimsson, Shelley Saunders
and Dongya Yang. They are looking for signs of Norse-Irish
interactions in the early historic period in the genetic context.

The fourth project involves the Royal College of Surgeons with
the Children's Hospital and researchers Dr David Croke, Dr
Charles O'Neill and Dr Philip Mayne. They too will build on
extensive existing research which looks at the presence of
specific genetic markers, data which can be compared with
matching European data, thus helping to understand
relatedness between European populations.

- --
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From Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of

Michael J. Murphy
Director
University Concert Hall
Limerick
michael.murphy[at]uch.ie



Subject: Concert Tribute & book launch -- Catherine Hayes


We here at University Concert Hall limerick (on the campus of University of
Limerick) are presenting a concert tribute to Catherine Hayes (born Limerick
1818 and died london 1861) who was a world renowned soprano of the 19th
century and is credited with introducing Opera to Australia !

The concert takes place with the RTE Concert Orchestra and
another
international Limerick born Soprano, Suzanne Murphy on the 3rd September
2000.

In addition Basil Walsh (Florida) has written a biography of Catherine Hayes
which is due for release.
I have worked with Basil to arrange for his publishers to launch the book in
Limerick on Weds 30th August in the Hunt Museum which was the Custom House
during the 19th Century and is only a short walk away from the house in
which Catherine Hayes was born.

Perhaps the members of your organisation would have an interest in these
events and with that in mind you may wish to explore highlighting the launch
of the book and the date of the concert on your web site home page and
creating a link to our website www.uch.ie where a lot of information on the
concert can be found and also a link to www.catherinehayes.com where
information on Basil Walsh's book may be found.


Michael J. Murphy
Director
University Concert Hall
Limerick
michael.murphy[at]uch.ie

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: The Ulster-Irish accent

Some friends of mine are researching convict transportations to the American
colonies and, in the course of talking to me about their work, asked a question
which I couldn't answer. It is this: from when, roughly, were people in Ulster
(and therefore in the Americas) talking in an Ulster-Irish/Ulster-Scots accent?

Their interest in this issue comes from discovering a court case in 1720s
Newcastle (England) when an Ulsterman, who, it is recorded, spoke with just such
an accent, is acquitted of assault.

Can anyone out there help, I wonder?

Don MacRaild

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Re: Ir-D C18th Numbers
and
Subject: Re: Ir-D Wokeck, Trade in Strangers

I simply synthesized the various competing figures in my own
recent book on the American Irish, giving a "best estimate"
that certainly tends toward the upper rather than lower
figure. But I believe that Maurice Bric's soon-to-be-
published work contains some rigorous new analysis of the
numbers.

Kevin Kenny


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Kevin Kenny
Associate Professor of History
Department of History, Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

Notice of a forthcoming book that will be of interest...

P.O'S.

Irish America
Reginald Byron

$24.95 (01)
paper
0198233558
2000

$70.00 (06)
cloth

0198233566
2000

Oxford University Press 2000
Oxford Studies in Social and Cultural Anthropology

Table of Contents

1. Prologue
2. Colonists and Immigrants
3. As Irish as any City in America
4. The Past in the Present
5. Over the Generations
6. Irish-Catholic-Democrat
7. The Importance of being Irish
8. The Wearing of the Green
9. A Socioscape of Irish America
Bibliography

Few writers have asked how the notion of an Irish-American ethnic identity in contemporary
America can be reconciled with five, six, or seven generations of intermarriage and
assimilation over the last century and a half. This study, based on interviews with 500
people of Irish ancestry, aims to discover in what senses the present-day descendants of
nineteenth-century Irish immigrants possess distinctive social practices and ways of
seeing the world.

REGINALD BYRON
Adjunct Professor of Anthropology, State University of New York at Stony Brook, Long
Island, New York
Research Professor of Anthropology, Union College, Schenectady, New York


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From: Mary.Doran[at]bl.uk (Mary Doran)
Subject: Call for Papers: Society for French Studies

Forwarded for information - one of the suggested topics is on relations between
Ireland and France.
Mary
______________________________________________________________________
Mary Doran, Curator, Modern Irish Collections
The British Library, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB
Tel: 020 7412 7538 Fax: 020 7412 7557



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Subject: Call for Papers: Society for French Studies
Author: Emer O'Beirne at Internet
Date: 30/06/2000 16:00


Society for French Studies
Annual Conference
Dublin, 2-4 July, 2001

CALL FOR PAPERS


The Society's next conference will be held at University College
Dublin, 2-4 July, 2001. We invite proposals for papers (in English or
French) for sectional workshops on the topics listed below. The
suggested topics may be interpreted widely and are intended to
encompass as broad a historical range as may be applicable. In
addition to proposals under the headings listed, all subjects will be
considered.
Proposals should be accompanied by a short abstract, and be
framed with a view to addressing an audience made up of both
specialists and non-specialists.

Suggested topics for workshops
The use of corpora in linguistic research
Orality in Early Modern literature
Literature as thought/thought as literature
Humour
Word and image in the late nineteenth century
Cultural/linguistic/literary relations between Ireland and France
Translation and translators
The novel today
Noirs - novel / cinema
Renaissance culture
Law and literature
Periodization
Literature and religion
Is culture epidemiological?
The crowd in French politics
Please send proposals and abstracts by 20 September, 2000 to:
Dr Wendy Ayres-Bennett, Queens' College, Cambridge CB3 9ET,
Great Britain.
Fax: (+44) 01223 335522. Email: chair[at]sfs.ac.uk
For information about the Society for French Studies, visit our
website: www.sfs.ac.uk





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From: Kerby Miller
Subject: Re: Ir-D Ulster-Irish accent

The "Rhyming Weavers" of late 18th- and early 19th-century east Ulster
wrote many of their poems in Ulster Scots, which was allegedly the
vernacular of the countryside and, hence, of the emigrants in the 1700s and
early 1800s, at least.

Here's a short bibliography (from the book ms. I'm just finishing):

On socioeconomic, political, and cultural relationships between
Ireland/Ulster and Scotland in the 1700s, see: L. M. Cullen, "Scotland and
Ireland, 1600-1800: Their Role in the Evolution of British Society," in R.
A. Houston and I. D. Whyte, eds., Scottish Society, 1500-1800 (Cambridge,
1989), 226-44; J. Erskine and G. Lucy, eds., Cultural Traditions in
Northern Ireland. Varieties of Scottishness: Exploring the
Ulster-Scottish Connection (Belfast, 1997); E. W. McFarland, Ireland and
Scotland in the Age of Revolution: Planting the Green Bough (Edinburgh,
1994); I. S. Wood, ed., Scotland and Ulster (Edinburgh, 1994); G. Walker,
Intimate Strangers: Political and Cultural Interaction between Scotland
and Ulster in Modern Times (Edinburgh, 1995).

On the Ulster Scots language and the Rhyming Weavers, see: G. B.
Adams, The English Dialects of Ulster, ed. by M. Barry and P. Tilling
(Holywood, Co. Down, 1986); J. Erskine and G. Lucy, eds., Cultural
Traditions . . . (as above), especially the essays by I. Herbison, B. Kay,
and L. Lunney; J. Hewitt, Rhyming Weavers and Other Country Poets of Antrim
and Down (Belfast, 1974); L. McIlvanney, "Robert Burns and the Ulster-Scots
Literary Revival of the 1790s," Bullan: An Irish Studies Journal, 4, no.2
(Winter 1999/Spring 2000), 125-44; M. B. Montgomery and R. J. Gregg, "The
Scots Language in Ulster," in C. Jones, ed., The Edinburgh History of Scots
(Edinburgh, 1997). On specific Ulster poets, see: J. R. R. Adams, "A
Rural Bard, His Printers and His Public: Robert Huddleston of Moneyrea,"
The Linen Hall Review, 9, nos. 3/4 (Belfast: Winter 1992), 9-11; D. H.
Akenson and W. H. Crawford, James Orr: Bard of Ballycarry (Belfast, 1977);
J. Campbell, The Poems & Songs of James Campbell of Ballynure (Ballyclare,
Co. Antrim, 1870); I. Herbison, Webs of Fancy: Poems of David Herbison,
the Bard of Dunclug (Oxford, 1980); J. Orr, Poems on Various Subjects . . .
(Belfast, 1936 ed.); P. Robinson, ed., The Country Rhymes of James Orr, the
Bard of Ballycarry, 1770-1816 (Bangor, Co. Down, 1992); and E. McA. Scott
and P. Robinson, eds., The Country Rhymes of Samuel Thomson, the Bard of
Carngranny, 1766-1816 (Bangor, Co. Down, 1992).

On Robert Dinsmoor ("The 'Rustic Bard'"), see his Incidental Poems
=2E . . and Sketch of the Author's Life (Haverhill, Mass., 1828); and M.
Montgomery, "The Problem of Persistence: Ulster-American Missing Links,"
The Journal of Scotch-Irish Studies, 1 (2000), 105-19. [Dinsmoor was en
early 19thC New England poet, grandson of early 1700s Ulster emigrants to
New Hampshire.]

Start with the article by Montgomery and Gregg; it's very good. Much of
the work on the Rhyming Weavers is implicitly political in nature, the
analysis often at odds with the poems themselves.

Kerby Miller


>From: Don MacRaild
>Subject: The Ulster-Irish accent
>
>Some friends of mine are researching convict transportations to the America=
n
>colonies and, in the course of talking to me about their work, asked a
>question
>which I couldn't answer. It is this: from when, roughly, were people in
>Ulster
>(and therefore in the Americas) talking in an Ulster-Irish/Ulster-Scots
>accent?
>
>Their interest in this issue comes from discovering a court case in 1720s
>Newcastle (England) when an Ulsterman, who, it is recorded, spoke with
>just such
>an accent, is acquitted of assault.
>
>Can anyone out there help, I wonder?
>
>Don MacRaild
- -

From: Don MacRaild


Many thanks to Kerby Miller for letting us all see this bibliography. This is
very useful.

Don MacRaild

irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: Kerby Miller
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Ulster-Irish accent
>
> The "Rhyming Weavers" of late 18th- and early 19th-century east Ulster
> wrote many of their poems in Ulster Scots, which was allegedly the
> vernacular of the countryside and, hence, of the emigrants in the 1700s and
> early 1800s, at least.
>
> Here's a short bibliography (from the book ms. I'm just finishing):
>
> On socioeconomic, political, and cultural relationships between
> Ireland/Ulster and Scotland in the 1700s, see: L. M. Cullen, "Scotland and
> Ireland, 1600-1800: Their Role in the Evolution of British Society," in R.
> A. Houston and I. D. Whyte, eds., Scottish Society, 1500-1800 (Cambridge,
> 1989), 226-44; J. Erskine and G. Lucy, eds., Cultural Traditions in
> Northern Ireland. Varieties of Scottishness: Exploring the
> Ulster-Scottish Connection (Belfast, 1997); E. W. McFarland, Ireland and
> Scotland in the Age of Revolution: Planting the Green Bough (Edinburgh,
> 1994); I. S. Wood, ed., Scotland and Ulster (Edinburgh, 1994); G. Walker,
> Intimate Strangers: Political and Cultural Interaction between Scotland
> and Ulster in Modern Times (Edinburgh, 1995).
>
> On the Ulster Scots language and the Rhyming Weavers, see: G. B.
> Adams, The English Dialects of Ulster, ed. by M. Barry and P. Tilling
> (Holywood, Co. Down, 1986); J. Erskine and G. Lucy, eds., Cultural
> Traditions . . . (as above), especially the essays by I. Herbison, B. Kay,
> and L. Lunney; J. Hewitt, Rhyming Weavers and Other Country Poets of Antrim
> and Down (Belfast, 1974); L. McIlvanney, "Robert Burns and the Ulster-Scots
> Literary Revival of the 1790s," Bullan: An Irish Studies Journal, 4, no.2
> (Winter 1999/Spring 2000), 125-44; M. B. Montgomery and R. J. Gregg, "The
> Scots Language in Ulster," in C. Jones, ed., The Edinburgh History of Scots
> (Edinburgh, 1997). On specific Ulster poets, see: J. R. R. Adams, "A
> Rural Bard, His Printers and His Public: Robert Huddleston of Moneyrea,"
> The Linen Hall Review, 9, nos. 3/4 (Belfast: Winter 1992), 9-11; D. H.
> Akenson and W. H. Crawford, James Orr: Bard of Ballycarry (Belfast, 1977);
> J. Campbell, The Poems & Songs of James Campbell of Ballynure (Ballyclare,
> Co. Antrim, 1870); I. Herbison, Webs of Fancy: Poems of David Herbison,
> the Bard of Dunclug (Oxford, 1980); J. Orr, Poems on Various Subjects . . .
> (Belfast, 1936 ed.); P. Robinson, ed., The Country Rhymes of James Orr, the
> Bard of Ballycarry, 1770-1816 (Bangor, Co. Down, 1992); and E. McA. Scott
> and P. Robinson, eds., The Country Rhymes of Samuel Thomson, the Bard of
> Carngranny, 1766-1816 (Bangor, Co. Down, 1992).
>
> On Robert Dinsmoor ("The 'Rustic Bard'"), see his Incidental Poems
> =2E . . and Sketch of the Author's Life (Haverhill, Mass., 1828); and M.
> Montgomery, "The Problem of Persistence: Ulster-American Missing Links,"
> The Journal of Scotch-Irish Studies, 1 (2000), 105-19. [Dinsmoor was en
> early 19thC New England poet, grandson of early 1700s Ulster emigrants to
> New Hampshire.]
>
> Start with the article by Montgomery and Gregg; it's very good. Much of
> the work on the Rhyming Weavers is implicitly political in nature, the
> analysis often at odds with the poems themselves.
>
> Kerby Miller
>
> >From: Don MacRaild
> >Subject: The Ulster-Irish accent
> >
> >Some friends of mine are researching convict transportations to the America=
> n
> >colonies and, in the course of talking to me about their work, asked a
> >question
> >which I couldn't answer. It is this: from when, roughly, were people in
> >Ulster
> >(and therefore in the Americas) talking in an Ulster-Irish/Ulster-Scots
> >accent?
> >
> >Their interest in this issue comes from discovering a court case in 1720s
> >Newcastle (England) when an Ulsterman, who, it is recorded, spoke with
> >just such
> >an accent, is acquitted of assault.
> >
> >Can anyone out there help, I wonder?
> >
> >Don MacRaild
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From: KP Corrigan
Subject: Re: Ir-D Ulster-Irish accent

In addition to the references which Kerby mentioned, you will find further
information on the (historical) phonology of this N.Eastern variety of
Ulster English (i.e. Ulster Scots) in the publications below:-

I have some further questions which I wonder if you could help with that
may allow me to answer your question more precisely:-

1.) What exactly do you/your friends mean by 'Ulster-Irish' accent?
2.) Would it be possible for them/you to contact me with the actual
recorded comment?

Paterson, David (1860) 'The Provincilaisms of Belfast and Surrounding
Districts Pointed out and Corrected'. Belfast: No publisher (printed by
Alexander Mayne))
One Who Listens (1897) 'Our Ulster Accent and Ulster Provinicialisms'.
Belfast: Religious Tract and Book Depot.
Logan, J. (1923) 'Ulster in the X-Rays'. London: A.H. Stockwell.
O'Neill, M. (1893) 'The Glens and their Speech', "Blackwood's Magazine".
Edinburgh.
MacDonagh, M. (1898) "Irish Life and Character". London: Hodder and Stoughton.
Hume, A. (1858) 'A dialogue in the Ulster dialect, 'wrote down, prentet and
put out, jist the way the people spakes', "Ulster Journal of Archaeology,
6: 40-46.
- ----- (1853) 'Origin and Characteristics of the population in the Counties
of Down and Antrim', "Ulster Journal of Archaeology, 1:
9-26/120-129/246-254.
- ----- (1858) 'The Irish dialect of the English langauge', "Ulster Journal
of Arch." 6: 47-56.
- ----- (1878) "Remarks on the Irish Dialect of he English Language".
Liverpool: T. Brackell.
Russell, C.C. (1910) "The People and Langauge of Ulster". Belfast: McCAw,
Stevenson and Orr.
Marshall, W.F. (1936) "Ulster Speaks". London: BBC.
Connolly, L. (1982) 'Spoken English in Ulkster in the 18th and 19th
Centuries.' "Ulster Folklife" 28: 33-39. (She also did a PhD on this at
QUB).
Williams, R.A. 'Remarks on the Northern Irish pronunciation of English'
"Modern Languages Quarterly" 6: 129-135.
Gregg, R.J. (1958) 'Notes on the phonology of a County Antrim Scotch-Irish
dialect' "Orbis: 7 (2): 392-406.
Adams, G.B. 'A register of phonological research on Ulster dialetcs', in
Adams, G.B. (ed.) " Ulster Dialects: An Introductory Symposium". Cultra:
UFTM.
Adams, G.B. 'Phonology of the Antrim dialect' I. Histroical Introduction
with special reference to the problem of vowel length.'. "PRIA" (C): 7 (3):
69-152.
Gregg, R.J. (1959) 'Phonology of the Antrim Dialect. II. Historical
Phonology'. "Orbis" 8: 400-424.
Adams, G.B. (1971) 'Ulster dialect origins'. "Ulster Folklife" 17: 99-102.
Harris, J. (1984) 'English in the North of Ireland' in Trudgill, P. (ed.)
"Language in the Brtish Isles", pp. 118-131. Cambridge: CUP.
Harris, J. (1985) "Phonological Variation and Change". Cambridge: CUP.
Gregg, R.J. (1972) 'The Scotch-Irish dialect boundaries in Ulster' in
Wakelin, M.F. (ed.) "Patterns in the Folk Speech of the British Isles",
pp.109-139. London: Athlone Press.

Look forward to hearing from you soon,

Karen.



>From: Don MacRaild
>Subject: The Ulster-Irish accent
>
>Some friends of mine are researching convict transportations to the American
>colonies and, in the course of talking to me about their work, asked a
>question
>which I couldn't answer. It is this: from when, roughly, were people in
>Ulster
>(and therefore in the Americas) talking in an Ulster-Irish/Ulster-Scots
>accent?
>
>Their interest in this issue comes from discovering a court case in 1720s
>Newcastle (England) when an Ulsterman, who, it is recorded, spoke with
>just such
>an accent, is acquitted of assault.
>
>Can anyone out there help, I wonder?
>
>Don MacRaild


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