Ben Burd, a military history enthusiast, has gathered some notes on
The Pemberton Orphan Ship at...

http://www.eagle.ca/~chart/DYRMS/chap3.html#top

Main site...
http://www.eagle.ca/~chart/DYRMS/

P.O'S.

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From: Hilary Robinson
Subject: Re: Ir-D Garryowen For Ever

In England, dying with your boots on meant simply that you were killed im
battle, raher than dying at home of other causes.
Hilary

>From: "Brian McGinn"
>Subject: Re: Garryowen
>
>Since I started this, I suppose there's nothing to do now but head for the
>local video store and hum along with the Custer portrayals by Errol Flynn
in
>'They Died With Their Boots On' (1941), Richard Mulligan in 'Little Big
Man'
>(1970). Maybe even Ronald Reagan in 'Santa Fe Trail' (1940).
>
>During the U.S. Civil War, in which Custer also served, boots were scarce
>and prized possessions. In 'A Harvest of Death', Timothy O'Sullivan's
>classic photograph of the Union dead at Gettysburg, the corpses are all
>bootless. Although, like the Little Bighorn, I'd assume these soldiers also
>died with their boots on, perhaps there was some sense in which
bootlessness
>connoted surrender while booted implied fighting to the last bullet/breath?
>Logically, this doesn't make much sense--if the end result in each case was
>bare feet.
>
>Garryowen is in Limerick. The name derives from the Irish words meaning
>'Eoghan's garden'. I don't know which Owen/Eugene it's named after.
>
>There's another Garryowen, a tiny settlement astride Interstate 90 in
>Montana. This one is clearly associated with the June 1876 events at the
>nearby Custer Battlefield National Monument.
>
>Revisiting Ken Power's immense store of knowledge on regimental traditions,
>I find the following reference to the march 'Garryowen':
>"Although played by the Irish War Pipes for centuries, it only came into
>prominence in the outside world after it was heard in an English pantomime
>called 'Harlequin Amulet' which was produced in 1800."
>
>Brian Pohanka, in his already mentioned series on Myles Keogh of the 7th
>Cavalry, quoted the following from Charles Lever's 'Charles O'Malley, the
>Irish Dragoon' (Dublin, 1841):
>
> Now I like Garryowen
> When I hear it at home
> But it's not half so sweet
> When you're going to be kilt.
>
>
>Brian McGinn
>Alexandria, Virginia


_______________________________

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School of Art and Design
University of Ulster at Belfast
York Street
Belfast BT15 1ED
Northern Ireland


direct phone/fax: (+44) (0) 28 9026.7291)

From: Enda Delaney
Subject: Book advice

In response to Tom Archdeacon's query regarding readings on
migration from Ireland during the Great Irish Famine, I can
understand why his students find Scally's book difficult.
First, it is not a textbook but rather a detailed case study
of a specific group of migrants from Roscommon. Secondly, even
though it is written with great skill and in a very readable
manner, the question arises about how typical this grouping were.
The late David Johnson's thoughtful review of this book in Irish
Economic and Social History (xxviii (1996), pp. 169-70) and
Niall O Ciosain's review in Irish Historical Studies (xxx
(1997), pp. 622-4) highlight some of the other problems with his
account.

For a module I teach on European migration since 1815, I
recommend on the Irish famine the relevant chapter of Kerby
Miller's book, which I think is excellent and thought provoking,
supplemented by a range of articles and chapters. The volume
edited by E. M. Crawford, The hungry stream: essays on
emigration and famine (Belfast, 1997), is useful if uneven in
terms of coverage. So the bad news is that no single account
fails to capture the complexity of Irish famine emigration and
students will have to read more more widely. I've pasted in some
details regarding readings below.

Enda Delaney
Queen's University Belfast
*************************************************************************
S. H. Cousens, 'The regional patterns of emigration from Ireland
during the great Irish famine, 1846-51', Transactions of the
Institute of British Geographers, 28 (1960), pp. 119-34.

E. M. Crawford, ed., The hungry stream: essays on emigration
and famine (Belfast, 1997) [see especially essays by Nolan,
Parkhill, Neal and Fitzpatrick].

J. S. Donnelly, Jr., 'The construction of the memory of
the famine in Ireland and the Irish diaspora, 1850-1900',
Eire-Ireland, 31 (1996), pp. 26-61 [excellent on the
memory of the famine].

J. S. Donnelly, Jr., 'Excess mortality and emigration', in W. E.
Vaughan, ed., A new history of Ireland, v: Ireland under the
union, i (1801-70) (Oxford, 1989), pp. 350-6.

David Fitzpatrick, 'Flight from famine', in Cathal Poirteir,
ed., The great Irish famine (Cork, 1995), pp. 174-84 [a skilful
short account].

Kerby Miller, Emigrants and exiles: Ireland and
the Irish exodus to North America (Oxford, 1985), chp. 7.

Frank Neal, Black '47: Britain and the famine Irish (London,
1998).

Cormac Ó Gráda and Kevin H. O'Rourke, 'Migration as
disaster relief: lessons from the great Irish famine', European
Review of Economic History, 1 (1997), pp. 3-25.

From: Ultan Cowley
Subject: Re: Ir-D Book Advice 2

Tom
Given that your course is essentially 'a survey of US immigration history',
you might perhaps consider (if still available)Terry Coleman's 'Going to
America' (1972) which was published in the US by Pantheon Books, an imprint
of Random House, and in paperback by Anchor Books/Doubleday, NY, in 1973.

Coleman covers emigration from both England & Ireland between 1846 & 1855.
He gives the Irish a fair shake (as he also did for the Irish navvies in
his study of 19th C. railway building in Britain, 'The Railway Navvies'),
and his technique of focusing on individuals might find favour with your
undergrads.

I can't vouch for the academic credentials of 'Going to America' but 'The
Railway Navvies' has certainly stood the test of time (and subsequent
scholarship), with some minor reservations.

Good luck,
Ultan




At 07:05 02/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>
>From: jamesam[at]mail.con2.com (gary and patricia jameson-sammartano)
>Subject: Re: Ir-D USA Immigration History Book Advice
>
>Tom,
>
> How about Woodham-Smith's The Great Hunger? Or perhaps Kerby Miller's Out
>of Ireland(for undergrads, it is a wide survey,and you have the opportunity
>of showing the video with the book)? Or anything by Christine Keneally?
>
> I'll look at my bookshelf for others.
>
>Slán,
>
>Patricia
>
>>From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
>>Subject: Book Advice
>>
>>Dear List Members:
>>
>>I want to request your advice about a book to assign on Irish
>>emigration/immigration around the time of the Famine. The course is a
>>survey
>>of US Immigration History. I currently use Bob Scally's book, which I
like
>>because it discusses origins as well as outcomes. The undergraduate
>>scholars
>>who trust their minds to me, however, find the book too hard to read.
>That,
>>of
>>course, says more about them than about the book, but I am willing to
>>consider
>>alternatives. I can't use Kerby Miller -- too long for my purposes; at
>>another
>>extreme, Paddy's Lament also fails to fit the bill. Please don't suggest
a
>>set
>>of articles; I sometimes use those, but the students currently prefer
whole
>>books.
>>
>>As you can tell, I'm feeling a bit of frustration. Thanks, however, for
>>whatever suggestions you can offer.
>>
>>Tom
>
>Patricia Jameson- and Gary Sammartano
>
>
>

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: RE: Ir-D And More on Garryowen

Thanks to John Hickey for an illuminating further insight into the rugbies.
I thought I delivered a sense that in many parts of the countries of
Britain, union was a working-class game. Sorry if this wasn't clear. In
Devon, Cornwall and Gloucester, where the game of union is massive, it is
played by doctors and public school boys but also by agricultural labourers
and policemen. In Wales, central Scotland and in some parts of urban
Lancashire and Yorkshire it's farmers, public school boys, the professions,
and also working-class kids. In most places it's mixed I suppose. My own
father, a working-class lad born in Leith, played union quite well and
always get furious when people in his adoptive town of Barrow-in-Furness (my
birth-place) talk dismissively of union as a toffs concern. In actual fact,
grammar and technical school boys in Barrow played union, while
comprehensive kids played the game that, interestingly, could become a
profession if they were good enough: league. So, a mixed picture emerges.
But league struggles to gain acceptance outside the north-west and
Yorkshire, and the Irish remain important to its history. As for McClaren
... happy memories. Thanks John.

Don MacRaild

> -----Original Message-----
> From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk [SMTP:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:06 PM
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: Ir-D And More on Garryowen
>
>
> From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
> Subject: Re: Ir-D 'Garryowen' 6
>
> Dear Don,
> You're absolutely right. How could I have forgotten Bill McClaren, one
> of
> the best commentators ever who graced the rugby scene? And Eddie Waring,
> one
> of my distant neighbours during the decade I spent in Yorkshire.
> One small point of contention. As a person born and brought up in Wales
> I
> have to challenge the assumption that Rugby Union was a 'class' game' and
> superior in that sense to Rugby League. The most outstanding Welsh players
> came from the Pits and the Steelworks with a sprinkling of schoolteachers
> -
> look at the triumphant Welsh sides of the '60's and 70's. Their low
> economic
> status made them prime prospects for Rugby League - not any more, now that
> both codes are professional. Even in England times started to change in
> terms
> of class affiliation some decades ago and their teams have long since
> ceased
> to be dominated by products of the expensive orphanages called 'public
> schools'.
> Back to McClaren. One of my best memories of him relates to the time
> when
> the great Gibson while playing for Ireland against Wales raised his arm in
> a
> referee's gesture to indicate that an attempted Welsh drop at goal was
> successful. McClaren's comment was that he hoped that every schoolboy
> watching learned that precious lesson in real sportmanship.
> I could go on, like describing the Rev. Jackie Kyle's try for Ireland at
> Cardiff Arms Park but I've taken-up enough time and space.
> Thanks,
> John Hickey

From: Alexander Peach
Subject: The Irishmen of Islam

Whilst perusing the book shelves in my local hostelry last night I noticed
a copy of a 1932 literary companion/dictionary (the title slips my mind -
the beer is good there too). As I flipped through the entries, I noticed a
one line reference to "The Irishmen of Islam. The Moors of Morocco".
Undoubtedly a literary or colloquial expression I was intrigued. I do not
know where this term has originated and wondered if anyone on the list
could enlighten me?

Presumably it is a reference to the national "character" and its
relationship to religion. But what possibly could the Irish be to
Catholicism that the "Moors" are to Islam?

The Moors are usually referred to as the Berber tribes of northern Africa.
Having spent three months in Morocco including a couple of weeks of this
time staying with Berber villagers in the high Atlas Mountains, I was
struck by their difference to the less rural Arab culture of the cities and
plains. They were all good Moslems but their culture and worship seemed
older and earthier than its modern articulation in Morocco. Indeed, these
peoples are very isolated in modern terms and I saw much evidence of
pre-Moslem animistic culture. Could their connections to older rural
sensibilities and practices being incorporated into the new religion of
Islam engendered a particularised relationship with their religion? The pre
Christian elements incorporated into Irish Catholicism are well
documented. But hey, I am not an anthropologist I was on holiday and
probably saw them through a pair of Said like Orientalist spectacles.

Best wishes

Alex Peach.

Subject: Re: Ir-D Wakes
From: Eileen A Sullivan

Paddy,


Sean O Suilleabhain in IRISH WAKE AMUSEMENTS(Mercier Press, 1967
translated from the original Irish by the author in 1961) described his
reaction to a wake in County Mayo 1921 during troubled times of daily
ambushes, shootings, and burnings. It was a riotous affair. Potatoes
were thrown about as missiles and water was splashed on the backs of
people. Sean wrote, "I never experienced a wake like this in my home
county, Kerry,
and what surprised me most of all was that the people of the house, who
were mourning the loss of a relative , made no attempt to curb the unruly
behaviour."

This experience led to his research on wakes. In discussing the purpose
of wakes, Sean offered some theories: protecting the dead person against
evil spirits, ensuring that the person was really dead, offering
Christiansen's theory in THE DEAD and THE LIVING, and Vulliamy's belief
that the living were afraid of the dead.

Lectured about all this at the O'Sullivan/Sullivan Fifth Seminar (1999)at
Georgia State University, noting the affinity of the Irish horse traders
in the South to old Irish customs.




Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director
The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332
3690
6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail :
eolas1[at]juno.com
Gainesville, FL 32653

From: Piaras Mac Einri
Subject: Irish in 19th century Britain

Here's an enquiry for the many 19th century experts on this list. Please
forgive me in advance if the information is already well-known - I am a
late 20th century person!

A gentleman in England who is trying to trace his Irish ancestors (early
19th century) contacted me to ask if there was a practice whereby English
and/or Anglo-Irish landed gentry with tenants in Ireland brought their
tenants to London and other British cities, through a form of assisted
passage or whatever, to work as labourers on their town-houses and other
urban projects. He is familiar with the use of assisted passage programmes
to places like Canada as part, for instance, of post-Famine land clearance
by landlords and their agents, but says he does not know if this pattern
also occurred.

Thanks in advance

Piaras Mac Einri

Piaras Mac Éinrí, Director/Stiúrthóir
Irish Centre for Migration Studies/Ionad na hImirce
National University of Ireland, Cork/Ollscoil Náisiúnta na hÉireann Corcaigh
Web/Idirlíon: http://migration.ucc.ie Email/Post Leictreonach
migration[at]ucc.ie
Phone/Guthán 353 21 4902889 Fax/Faics 353 21 4903326

I was not able to get to John Goodby's 'Writing Diasporas' Conference in
Swansea in September - I was driven back by, amongst other things, Britain's
Poujadist fuel crisis... John, again my apologies...

I was not able to get to Brian Lambkin's and Paddy Ftzgerald's 'Literature
of Irish Exile' Conference in Omagh in October. I had flu - Brian, I was
too ill to even walk across the tarmac...

Today begins Mary Hickman's and Sarah Morgan's Conference at the University
of North London, jointly organised with the British Association for Irish
Studies, 'The Irish Diaspora - Writing, Researching, Comparing'.

And I contemplate my journey...

The world may know that Britain is the middle of a transport crisis. There
is a rail crisis, as the problems of privatisation and under-investment are
expressed through train disasters... Plus there are extraordinary floods -
and many roads and railways are impassable.

I visited my local railway station for advice last night - and was advised
not to travel. Travel by rail seems to be a lottery, subject to delay and
cancellation.

I am now going to try to drive to London - then I can be, at least a little
bit, master of my fate. If I do have to turn back, then at least I can turn
back. Or seek sanctuary somewhere.

So, Mary and Sarah, I am on my way. Friends and Colleagues on the way to
London - I hope to see you there. It will not be for want of trying...

There is information about the Conference at

http://www.unl.ac.uk/sals/diaspora.shtml
and
http://www.unl.ac.uk/sals/speakers.shtml

Ir-D members please note that messages can be sent to
Irish-Diaspora list
in the usual way, but will not be distributed until I return.

P.O'S.

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From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Rugbies

Dear Don,
Thank you for the response. There were, in fact, two attempts to start
Rugby League teams in Cardiff both of which ended in failure. The Union Code
is something approaching a religion in South Wales and that, plus the fact
that because the WRU were aware of the attraction of the money the League
paid for players of low income, draconian measures were applied against
Welsh
players who were even suspected of talking to RL scouts. These measures
included not only life-time bans from playing but also from actually
visiting
rugby union grounds. Consequently, only local players who knew they could
not
make it into the top Welsh clubs signed-up for the league clubs in Cardiff,
with the inevitable result.
Times have so changed that Jonathan Davies can spend a portion of his
career in the League and then return to play out his days with Cardiff.
By the way, my research into the Cardiff Irish shows that they were the
prime movers in establishing the rugby union game in elementary schools
there
and consequently building the base for the city's reputation in the game.
Best,
John

From: "Dale B. Light"
Subject: Re: Ir-D USA Immigration History Book Advice

Prof. Archdeacon,

You might find J. Matthew Gallman's RECEIVING ERIN'S CHILDREN:
PHILADELPHIA, LIVERPOOL, AND THE IRISH FAMINE MIGRATION, 18445-1855 (Chapel
Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2000) useful. It details the way
in which two cities responded to the flood of Irish refugees at mid-century
and contains a lot of interesting stuff on the migrants themselves. It not
only can serve as a springboard for discussin the famine migration, but can
also lead to a whole range of related subjects. What is more, it is short
[about 200 pages], well written, and available in paperback.

Dale Light





At 03:05 PM 11/1/00 +0000, you wrote:
>
>From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
>Subject: Book Advice
>
>Dear List Members:
>
>I want to request your advice about a book to assign on Irish
>emigration/immigration around the time of the Famine. The course is a
>survey
>of US Immigration History. I currently use Bob Scally's book, which I like
>because it discusses origins as well as outcomes. The undergraduate
>scholars
>who trust their minds to me, however, find the book too hard to read.
That,
>of
>course, says more about them than about the book, but I am willing to
>consider
>alternatives. I can't use Kerby Miller -- too long for my purposes; at
>another
>extreme, Paddy's Lament also fails to fit the bill. Please don't suggest a
>set
>of articles; I sometimes use those, but the students currently prefer whole
>books.
>
>As you can tell, I'm feeling a bit of frustration. Thanks, however, for
>whatever suggestions you can offer.
>
>Tom
>

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: RE: Ir-D Rugbies

Dear John,

So, it's the Irish in rugby per se, not merely league. Would-be PhD
students out there should take note--there's money in sports history, or so
I'm told.

Don MacRaild
Northumbria



> -----Original Message-----
> From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk [SMTP:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:51 AM
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: Ir-D Rugbies
>
>
> From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Rugbies
>
> Dear Don,
> Thank you for the response. There were, in fact, two attempts to start
> Rugby League teams in Cardiff both of which ended in failure. The Union
> Code
> is something approaching a religion in South Wales and that, plus the fact
> that because the WRU were aware of the attraction of the money the League
> paid for players of low income, draconian measures were applied against
> Welsh
> players who were even suspected of talking to RL scouts. These measures
> included not only life-time bans from playing but also from actually
> visiting
> rugby union grounds. Consequently, only local players who knew they could
> not
> make it into the top Welsh clubs signed-up for the league clubs in
> Cardiff,
> with the inevitable result.
> Times have so changed that Jonathan Davies can spend a portion of his
> career in the League and then return to play out his days with Cardiff.
> By the way, my research into the Cardiff Irish shows that they were the
> prime movers in establishing the rugby union game in elementary schools
> there
> and consequently building the base for the city's reputation in the game.
> Best,
> John

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain

Dear Piaras,

I think you and I have been talking to the same chap, so what I will say is
already known to him. Apart from the likes of Lord Londonderry (based in Co
Durham in a big house now owned by Sir John Hall who owns Newcastle United),
who brought Irish strikebreakers from Ulster to his Durham pits, we don't
seem to know much about this practice. It is likely that Anglo-Irish
landlords did indeed do this; after all, if you want a town house building
and labour is in short supply or expensive, or if your tenants are restive,
hungry, it might be viewed as a sensible thign to do. I guess we would all
like to know more. By the way, Londonderry's agricultural labourers didn't
take all that well to coal-mining, not initially at least. During the
strike of 1844, apart from being attacked by Durham-born pitmen, it is said
they couldn't 'win' enough coal to achieve piece-rate targets of numbers of
tubs filled. A doubly hard life, then.

Best

Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk [SMTP:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:50 PM
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain
>
>
> From: Piaras Mac Einri
> Subject: Irish in 19th century Britain
>
> Here's an enquiry for the many 19th century experts on this list. Please
> forgive me in advance if the information is already well-known - I am a
> late 20th century person!
>
> A gentleman in England who is trying to trace his Irish ancestors (early
> 19th century) contacted me to ask if there was a practice whereby English
> and/or Anglo-Irish landed gentry with tenants in Ireland brought their
> tenants to London and other British cities, through a form of assisted
> passage or whatever, to work as labourers on their town-houses and other
> urban projects. He is familiar with the use of assisted passage programmes
> to places like Canada as part, for instance, of post-Famine land clearance
> by landlords and their agents, but says he does not know if this pattern
> also occurred.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Piaras Mac Einri
>
> Piaras Mac Iinrm, Director/Stizrthsir
> Irish Centre for Migration Studies/Ionad na hImirce
> National University of Ireland, Cork/Ollscoil Naisiznta na hIireann
> Corcaigh
> Web/Idirlmon: http://migration.ucc.ie Email/Post Leictreonach
> migration[at]ucc.ie
> Phone/Guthan 353 21 4902889 Fax/Faics 353 21 4903326

From: harrisrd
Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain

I do know of a number of instances on the Shirley Estate, Carrickmacross,
Co.
Monaghan, where tenants [and cottiers] with family in England or Scotland
were given assistance to join their families there. I don't know directly of
instances in which they were brought to work on the Shirley's English
estates.
Ruth-Ann Harris

From: Sarah Morgan
Subject: The Irish Diaspora conference

Firstly, thank you to all who attended and helped make this conference
not only successful but very enjoyable. An especial thanks to everyone
who made the journey to London in spite of bad weather and poor rail and
road links.

Secondly, there are three articles in today's (06 November) Irish Times
on the conference. Web addresses for each are pasted below. It is
interesting in itself to see what elements of the day's debates have
been picked up on.

Sarah

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2000/1106/dia1.htm
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2000/1106/dia2.htm
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2000/1106/dia3.htm

----------------------
Sarah Morgan,
Deputy Director,
Irish Studies Centre,
University of North London,
166-220 Holloway Rd.,
London N7 8DB
s.morgan[at]unl.ac.uk

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: FW: Irish Studies Seminars at the Institute of English Studies
(London)

Dear All:

Please see the details below circulated on behalf of Dr Clare Hutton.
Best wishes
Mary

Mary Doran, Curator, Modern Irish Collections, The British Library, 96
Euston Road, London NW1 2DB.

UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
INSTITUTE OF ENGLISH STUDIES
SCHOOL OF ADVANCED STUDY
and Goldsmiths College, Centre for Irish Studies

Irish Studies Seminar
Fortnightly on Wednesdays at 6.00

The Irish Studies Seminar this term will concentrate on contemporary Irish
Poetry.

18 October
Dr Ruth Ling (Visiting Fellow, Emory University)
'How do you sew the night?' Tact and Tension in the Making of Michael
Longley's Recent Elegies
This paper will be based on two of Longley's recent collections: The Ghost
Orchid (London: Cape, 1995) and The Weather in Japan (London: Cape, 2000).

Readings for each subsequent paper in the series will be announced at the
end of each paper

1 November
Dr Derval Tubridy (Goldsmiths' College, London)
'Littered uplands. Dense grass. Rocks everywhere': Thomas Kinsella's
Peppercanister Poems
(Please note change of date to that advertised in the summer mailing)

15 November
Dr Frank Sewell (University of Ulster at Coleraine)
Tradition, Modernity and Internationalism in the Poetry of Nuala Ni
Dhomhnaill and Cathal Searcaigh

29 November
Colleen McKenna (University College London)
'Roots in the Soil': Heaney, Kavanagh and the Poetry of Place

All members of the Institute are warmly invited to attend and those
wishing to present papers should contact Dr. Hutton or Professor Mc
Cormack as soon as possible.

Organisers: Dr Clare Hutton (Institute of English Studies), Professor
Bill McCormack (Goldsmiths College London)

Venue: Institute of English Studies, School of Advanced Study, Senate
House (3rd floor), Malet Street, London WC1E 7HU (No Smoking Building)

Enquiries: Institute of English Studies; Tel: 020 7862 8675; Fax: 020
7862 8672; email: ies[at]sas.ac.uk

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: FW: CSAA Call for Papers

Dear All:

Forwarded from the Women on Ireland Research Network's list.
Best wishes

Mary

Mary Doran, Curator, Modern Irish Collections, The British Library,
96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB.


**CALL FOR PAPERS**

2001 Annual Meeting of the Canadian Sociolgy and Anthropology
Association (CSAA)
Universite Laval
Quebec City, Quebec
Canada
27-30 May 2001


Women in Northern Ireland: After the Good Friday Agreement

This session examines the implications of the Good Friday
(Belfast) Agreement for women in Northern Ireland. The 1998 Good
Friday Agreement has been accompanied by a general sense of
optimism. This optimism has accompanied the formation of the
Northern Ireland legislative assembly, and has often been
associated with renewed hopes for political and economic stability.

Papers might address the following questions: What impact will the
Agreement have on various groups of women in Northern Ireland?
What have the anticipated outcomes of the Agreement been for
women in Northern Ireland to date? What have the unanticipated
outcomes of the Agreement been for women in Northern Ireland to
date?

Papers are invited from a braod range of perspectives.
Contributions that exmine women's peace-building activities and
feminist organizing in Northern Ireland are particualrly welcome.

Deadline (abstract submission): 01 December 2000
Deadline (paper submission): 01 May 2001


Session Organizer:

Dr. Katherine Side
Department of Women's Studies
Mount Saint Vincent University
Halifax, Nova Scoita
Canada
B3M 2J6

telephone: (902) 457-6712
Fax: (902): 443-1352
E-Mail: Katherine.Side[at]MSVU.ca


About the Conference:

The CSAA Meetings are a part of the larger Congress of Learned
Society Meetings, to which approximately 66 Learned Societies
belong. The meetings of these socieities are held annually across
Canada. More information about the Congress Meetings can be
found at: http://www/hssfc.ca

In addition to the CSAA, the Canadian Association for Irish Studies
wil have their meetings at the same location, 24-26 May 2001. The
Canadian Women's Studies Association will have their meetings at
the same location, 25-27 May 2001.


Katherine Side
Katherine.Side[at]MSVU.ca

Department of Women's Studies
Mount Saint Vincent University
JHalifax, Nova Scotia
B3M 2J6

From: Clare Barrington
Subject : Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain

As regards strike breakers : In Mrs Gaskell's novel "North and South" (1854)
it was the bringing in of Irish strike breakers by the mill owner which
provoked the striking workers to violence.

Clare Barrington

- -----Original Message-----
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Date: 06 November 2000 07:53
Subject: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain


>
>From: harrisrd
>Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain
>
>I do know of a number of instances on the Shirley Estate, Carrickmacross,
>Co.
>Monaghan, where tenants [and cottiers] with family in England or Scotland
>were given assistance to join their families there. I don't know directly
of
>instances in which they were brought to work on the Shirley's English
>estates.
> Ruth-Ann Harris
>
>

From: FNeal33544[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Book Advice

Anyone interested in the scale and nature of the inflow of Famine refugees
into British towns and cities during 1847 and the reaction of the local
authorities to the crisis, may find my book on the episode useful.

The title is:

Black'47:Britain and the Famine Irish' MacMillan, Basingstoke and St
Martins
Press, New York.

The book is research based and utilises a wide variety of archival material.
Unfortunately, MacMillans have priced it at £50, a silly pricing policy
although they are considering a paperback edition.

Frank Neal

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain

Indeed it was. But it was bringing in 'hagricultural workers' by
'Pickword's van' which caused Mowbray's hard-pressed workers to see red in
Disraeli's _Sybil; or, the Two Nations_. And in another of Gaskell's famous
northern sagas, _Mary Barton_, it was impoverished mill-workers traipsing
into Manchester from outlying villages, desperate for work, which sparks a
riot and sees one of them with vitriol thrown in his eyes. No mention of
the Irish in these two latter examples. So, I suppose we can conclude that
the knobstick doesn't always have to be an Irishman, even if it was
perceived that he was.

Don MacRaild
Northumbria

[Note from Moderator:
Don, would you please gloss 'knobstick', and, if possible, without reference
to David Lodge's novel, Nice Work...
P.O'S.]


- -----Original Message-----
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Sent: 06/11/00 20:01
Subject: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain


From: Clare Barrington
Subject : Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain

As regards strike breakers : In Mrs Gaskell's novel "North and South"
(1854)
it was the bringing in of Irish strike breakers by the mill owner which
provoked the striking workers to violence.

Clare Barrington

- -----Original Message-----
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Date: 06 November 2000 07:53
Subject: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain


>
>From: harrisrd
>Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in 19th century Britain
>
>I do know of a number of instances on the Shirley Estate,
Carrickmacross,
>Co.
>Monaghan, where tenants [and cottiers] with family in England or
Scotland
>were given assistance to join their families there. I don't know
directly
of
>instances in which they were brought to work on the Shirley's English
>estates.
> Ruth-Ann Harris
>
>