[Note: This message appeared originally on the H-Ethnic list. I have
sought permission to share it with the Ir-D list because it chimes with some
of our earlier discussions. Our thanks to Brian Gratton.. P.O'S.]

Forwarded with permission from
Brian Gratton
Subject: Transnational Hype


Transnational Hype

Michael Monastyrsky raised an important question in a message sent two
weeks ago. He asked if new technologies of communication "make it
difficult, perhaps impossible, for the state to assimilate
newcomers=8A.[and=
]
make multiculturalism inevitable."

This is of course exactly what a new and vibrantly growing field in
sociology asserts under the term, "transnationalism." This school
maintains that we have entered a new era in immigration and ethnic
relations, in which the nation state has less and less importance, and in
which ethnic identity, or prior national identity, is well maintained
despite the dislocation of movement to a foreign place. As an introduction
to the geometrically expanding literature, see Alejandro Portes, "Global
Villagers: The Rise of Transnational communities," The American Prospect
1996, 25: 74-77, this from the man who also gave us segmented assimilation.
=46or the postmodern version, compleat with requisite signifiers: Linda
Basch, Nina Glick Schiller, and Cristina Szanton Blanc. 1994. Nations
Unbound: Transnational Projects, Postcolonial Predicaments, and
Deterritorialized Nation States. Langhorne, PA: Gordon and Breach.

The claims made by transnationalists are large and should be subject to
close historical scrutiny, since, like much sociological theory about
immigration (e.g., segmented assimilation), the model's validity depends on
a historical assumption: "that was then, and today is brand new." The
foundation for a new transnational world lies in a set of assumptions about
speed: speed of communication, speed of transportation, speed of labor and
capital exchange. In a new global economy, the old nation state creaks
along, further and further behind swift international forces, unable to
stem flows of dollars and illegal workers, and less and less capable of
governing enterprises or migrants.

That transnational ties are new and that the nation state is now doomed
seem dubious propositions to me. As to the first, I see 1880 as a better
date for the creation of a transnational world, although not one, as the
next century demonstrated, in which the nation state didn't make its
presence felt. As Mark Wyman, J. D. Gould, and others have shown, the
steamship changed the whole calculus of migration: most immigrants did not
intend to make a permanent transition, and did not renounce their national
and ethnic identity. Money was the goal, and to return with it intact was
the idea. Those who went back home certainly didn't become Americans;
those who stayed however=8A. The same speed and cheapness in transportation
made world trade much more profitable, and capitalists had no difficulty in
exploiting these advantages: Andrew Carnegie loved to sell steel to the
Czar, and he could do so cheaper than his European competitors.

Speed of communication was in this hoary time at the same speed of light
minus friction we enjoy today. The telegraph made newspapers aware very
quickly of events around the world, allowed even ordinary people to contact
distant others, and made financial communication rapid-one is reminded of
the same Carnegie discussing the results of the Homestead strategy with his
colleague in crime, Henry Clay Frick. When we contemplate the difference
between a telegraph and a telephone or the internet, we sense that the
difference between this not so distant past and the present is less in kind
than in degree. The most important change has been gradual but powerful:
the growth of real income among ordinary immigrants has greatly expanded
access to and the rate of utilization of "modern" devices.

=46or an excellent summary of similarities and dissimilarities, see the
anthropologist Nancy Foner's "What's new about transnationalism? New York
immigrants today and at the turn of the century," Diaspora 1997, 6, no. 3:
355-75 (and a new book, From Ellis Island to JFK : New York's Two Great
Waves of Immigration [Yale, 2000]). Foner does find important differences:
the technology is better, the US is more tolerant of other cultures, there
is, as yet, no decisive break in immigration flows from law, depression, or
war. These differences may amount to a fundamental change.

This is a judgment historians ought to make, since many social scientists
can't be trusted with the past. Reading the "discoveries" of transnational
events can be a painful experience. As an example, take a look at Luis
Eduardo Guarnizo, et al., "Mistrust, fragmented solidarity, and
transnational migration: Colombians in New York City and Los Angeles,"
Ethnic and Racial Studies March 1999, 22/2. Here we are treated with a
description of a celebration of Colombia's Independence Day in the summer
of 1997, but with a surprise ending. "What makes it special, though, is
that it took place in the gigantic Flushing Meadows Corona Park in the
heart of Queens County in New York City, some 2,500 miles" from Colombia.
That such celebrations are a brand new event in immigration history would
come as a bigger surprise to most of us.

The most troublesome feature in transnationalism is, however, that evidence
for it is almost invariably drawn from first generation experience. Our
history shows full well how ethnic that generation can be, and how much
less ethnic the next generation can be, and how thoroughly unethnic the
intermarried 3rd generation can be. Perhaps this transition occurs because
of repressive native norms, perhaps it happens because of the desire of
young people to be something other than what their grandparents were,
perhaps because American culture is very very attractive (another, somewhat
contradictory tenet of the globalization crowd, although they quite
disapprove of it.)

As to the likelihood of the collapse of the nation state, opinions vary and
they vary all over the scholarly map. In the highly useful debate between
Gary Gerstle, David Hollinger and Donna Gabaccia in the September 1997
Journal of American History, Gerstle unhappily predicted the continued,
arrogant, oppressive vitality of the United States. Hollinger hoped the
USofA would learn to celebrate ethnic diversity and let us all just get
along. Among political scientists, the demise of the nation is by no means
taken for granted, and rumblings from the European Union suggest such
reports have been greatly exaggerated. In my conversations with folk from
other lands, I've never gotten the sense that they think the United States
is fading away, although I get the distinct impression that some wish it
would.

Transnationalism is part of a web of conceits, half scholarly, half
political, in which assimilation is both doubted evidentially and abhorred
morally. Segmented assimilation, multiculturalism, and other sociological
arguments fit into this centaur of academic arguments and identity
politics. A world is imagined in which ethnic cultures persist despite
physical dislocation, and in which the efforts of national states to move
immigrants toward common norms "cannot" succeed, and, if they could, should
be resisted. An ethnic rather than a civic nationalism becomes the core
organizing principle. Whether one thinks a world of ethnic nations with
scattered ethnic enclaves is a good prospect for humankind is for each of
us to decide. Whether this is likely to occur is however, not simply for
sociologists to say. Where historical comparisons are made, historians
ought to be claiming their time at the podium.

[Note: This message from Linda Dwyer appeared on the H-Ethnic list, in
response to the 'Transnational Hype' message of Brian Gratton. I have
sought permission to share it with the Ir-D list. Our thanks to Linda
Dwyer. P.O'S.]


From: Lindwyer5[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: H-ETHNIC: Transnational Hype

The strongly worded comments by Brian Gratton are somewhat inflammatory. He
fails to cite the well-documented historical anthropological work of Karen
Fog Olwig's _Global Culture, Island Identity: Continuity and Change in the
Afro-Caribbean Community of Nevis_ (1993), for example. An anthropologist
who did her historical homework in the early sections of this book, Olwig
carefully explores the difficult decisions made by immigrants to the U.S.
from Nevis. Indeed, over time, some of these immigrants begin to drop their
ties to Nevis as they become more deeply immersed in U.S. life. The work of
Robert r. Alvarez, Jr., _Famila: Migration and Adaptation in Baja and Alta
California, 1800-1975_(1987) is another fine piece of anthropological
writing
that explores the historico-cultural nature of migration in a
multi-generational collection of family and friends as they sought work and
the warmth of shared lives in migration in the Baja region of Mexico and
later in Southern California. In this study, migration led to eventual
identity as ethnic Americans in California, the lives of this group of
family
and friends enriched by cultural practices adapted to the reality of
continual migration and uprooting.

G.W. Skinner's classic study of overseas Chinese in Thailand, published in
the 1950s, is one that is rich in historical content and remains valuable
today.

There are those anthropologists (and, doubtless) sociologists who take great
care to explore the historical aspects of their topic.

It may be that migration is not always the same for all people. There may
be
those who are cosmopolitans, perhaps the peripatetic global businessperson
and technical elite, on the one hand. There may be others, like the Mexican
migrants whom I instructed in English in an Alaskan fishing town, who are
seasonal migrants spending half a year abroad and half in the home village.
This is truly a transnational lifestyle at the lower end of the scale in
terms of income, education, and social status. There are others, such as
the
Taiwan migrant families with whom I conducted my fieldwork, whose families
were dispersed across the globe as a result of multiple migrations and yet
who supported the elderly and young in changing assemblages of family
members, as circumstances required adaptation. A young boy raised by
grandparents in Taiwan so that parents could successfully complete their
studies in Europe. A clever child sent to the states to be raised by an
aunt. Elderly parents spending several months a year with each of five
children, one in Vancouver, another in L.A., a third in Hong Kong, a fourth
in Shanghai, and a fifth in Taiwan. These are transnational families, ever
travelling in response to shifting circumstances.

The study of transnational social practice does merit familiarlity with the
historical record. That these practices may have vitality and variability
should not be dismissed out of hand, but rather understood in terms of the
forces that drive them--some of which may be a repeat of history and others
of which may be new. It is too soon to conclude. I would relish greater
cooperation among historians and social scientists, rather than a turf war.

Linda Dwyer
Independent Scholar, anthropology
Lindwyer5[at]aol.com

From: Alexander Peach
Subject: RE: Ir-D 'Transnational Hype' and yet another polemic.

Some comments on academia and if you will excuse my cynicism - yet another
polemic.

The comment about the vibrantly growing field of transnationalism is
revealing as this point to the nature of academia in reinventing the old
into the new in order to secure new funding for themselves. An example of
this is the area of International Relations (i.e. Politics with a new
name). Here Marxists have become world system theorists, right-wing theory
becomes "Realist". Liberals are still liberals however, just so we do not
upset (or more likely confuse) our paymasters and mistresses. Rename a
discipline and suddenly you can have twice the number of chairs,
readerships, lectureships, centres, etc. What is more you can rewrite the
texts giving new names to old ideas and invent a few new journals and
instantly become the leading academic in your field. This is difficult to
do with history - however, you can reinvent yourself with new fields of
irrelevance (see sports history) which will attract funding from rich
philistines such as Fifa or happy clappy government agencies. What most of
these new fields of ahistorical social sciences are really doing is
avoiding employing radical intellectuals with something more relevant to
research than how can we praise capitalism (see
globalisation/transnationalism) while exorcising the spectre of power
relations from the analysis and obscure its pernicious effects on migrants.
This said, I know there are many out there who are struggling against these
forces of conservatism every day but lets face it, he/r who pays the piper
yada yada.

I remember recently a homeless man writing to the Guardian newspaper
regarding the setting up of some new research into his predicament. He had
worked out that if the amount of funding was spread out amongst the few
thousand homeless in Britain themselves, (figures based upon expensive
government research) it would add up to several tens of thousands of pounds
each and that this would solve the homeless problem. Needless to say this
would not be a useful application for tax payers money which is much better
spent researching why they are homeless than doing anything about it.


One of my favourite quotes illustrates the way academics take old ideas and
reinvent them for themselves. This is about the "new" field of
globalisation which according to most texts arose in the 1960s before
reaching a Rostow like "Take Off" in the 1990s.


"The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the
bourgeoisie over the whole surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere,
settle everywhere, establish connections everywhere. The bourgeoisie has
through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character
to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of
Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national
ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been
destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new
industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all
civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw
material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose
products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe.
In place of the old wants, satisfied by the productions of the country, we
find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant
lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and
self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal
inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual
production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common
property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more
impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there
arises a world literature."


Marx and Engles, The Communist Manifesto, 1847!!!!

I expect my grant application for a centre in the history of Barbie (c) to
attract much funding soon, especially if we merge with the University of
Bedlam's Centre for the history of Mr. Potato Head.

Yours controversially,

Alex Peach

Received: from DanCas1[at]aol.com

Subject: BENEFIT FOR KEVIN O'DOWD-SAT. DEC. 2ND-HARRINGTON'S


BENEFIT FOR IRISH AMERICAN ACTIVIST
KEVIN O'DOWD

SATURDAY, DEC. 2ND, 9:30PM - 12:30 AM
HARRINGTON'S BAR & GRILL
245 FRONT STREET, SAN FRANCISCO
FREE BUFFET- MUSIC

KEVIN O'DOWD, age 36, and a lifelong Irish American activist and California
Manager for Renaissance Management, has been fighting a tough battle against
pancreatic cancer. Kevin has endured three surgeries since his diagnosis 12
months ago. A fiercely proud Irish-American, Kevin has received an official
proclamation from S.F. Mayor Willie Brown for his work for Peace with
Justice
in the North of Ireland.

Kevin was born in Philadelphia on Nov. 19, 1963, to Jack and Monica O'Dowd.
He has two brothers, John and Jimmy, and two sisters, Monica and Maureen.
His
mother, Monica, has had to quit her job in Philadelphia months ago to come
to
San Francisco to care for Kevin. All his brothers and sisters have also
taken
time off from their families and jobs on the East Coast to assist their
brother in his fight over the past year. His longtime love, Anne Lindsay,
has
worked tirelessly on his behalf.

Over the last decade in San Francisco, and years before on the East Coast,
Kevin has been involved in numerous fund raising events for everything from
Human Rights in the North of Ireland to helping out local Irish and
Irish-American families and individuals who have fallen on hard times. All
of
us who live in the worldwide Irish Diaspora, know what it is like to be
thousands of miles away from a loved one in need.

Any contributions to defray the huge medical costs, as well as the income
lost by the entire family in Kevin's year-long fight against a tough disease
will be deeply appreciated by the O'Dowd family and all of Kevin's friends
in
the San Francisco Bay Area, Philadelphia, Belfast, New York City, Boston,
and
throughout Ireland.

SATURDAY DEC. 2ND, from 9:30PM-12:30AM there will be a Benefit with Free
Buffet and Music held at HARRINGTON'S Bar and Grill, 245 Front Street, San
Francisco. Please spread the word and help a brave Irish-American activist
and his family in their hour of need.

All our prayers and thoughts are with Kevin and his family in this fight.

Danny Cassidy
DanCas1[at]aol.com

From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Barbie, Toys, Momentoes, etc.

Sorry to disappoint you Alex, but you're a bit late in the field of
Barbie Studies, so funding is unlikely! I am currently marking a
thesis that deals with Barbie as a reflection of women's more
liberated status in the 1960s(??) I would refer you to the latest
book in the field, M.F. Rogers, 'Barbie Culture', London, 1999. I'll
spare you the many other works on the subject, but you might find the
web site enlightening: www.barbie.com.

Just to try and drag this back to Irish diaspora matters - I wonder
if many Irish emigrant children took dolls and toys with them. My
father who emigrated as a teenager in the 1920s certainly took some
of his school books, but he was a bit old for toys, although I know
my aunts brought dolls. (And their parents took the family Bible, a
bit of turf from the farm and their large King Billy picture - all of
which I now have - although the turf is starting to crumble.) Has
anyone come across references to toys and books being taken? Indeed,
it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' momentoes - what
they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?

Elizabeth Malcolm
Melbourne

From: Kerby Miller
Subject: Re: Ir-D Momentoes

Dear Elizabeth,

The only work I know was published nearly 50 years ago--by
Arnold Schrier in his IRELAND AND THE AMERICAN EMIGRATION--and by the
collectors in the (then) Irish Folklore Commission, who based their
questions on an agenda agreed between Arnold and the Commission's
then head.
Beyond that, I believe that Irish emigrants' letters
sometimes mention portable belongings, but mostly I've noticed
saleable goods.

Kerby Miller.



>From: Elizabeth Malcolm
>Subject: Barbie, Toys, Momentoes, etc.
>
>Sorry to disappoint you Alex, but you're a bit late in the field of
>Barbie Studies, so funding is unlikely! I am currently marking a
>thesis that deals with Barbie as a reflection of women's more
>liberated status in the 1960s(??) I would refer you to the latest
>book in the field, M.F. Rogers, 'Barbie Culture', London, 1999. I'll
>spare you the many other works on the subject, but you might find the
>web site enlightening: www.barbie.com.
>
>Just to try and drag this back to Irish diaspora matters - I wonder
>if many Irish emigrant children took dolls and toys with them. My
>father who emigrated as a teenager in the 1920s certainly took some
>of his school books, but he was a bit old for toys, although I know
>my aunts brought dolls. (And their parents took the family Bible, a
>bit of turf from the farm and their large King Billy picture - all of
>which I now have - although the turf is starting to crumble.) Has
>anyone come across references to toys and books being taken? Indeed,
>it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' momentoes - what
>they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
>interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?
>
>Elizabeth Malcolm
>Melbourne

From: DanCas1[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes

In a message dated 11/8/00 2:19:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes:

> Indeed,
> >it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' mementos - what
> >they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
> >interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?


Dear Elizabeth Malcom:

Re: Irish Emigrant's Mementos

In the "List or manifest" of ships arriving in "the District of New
York-Port
of New York" from roughly 1840-1910 (which has been microfilmed) "Baggage"
is
sometimes listed. Generally, the later in the century the more often this is
done and with slightly greater specificity. Unfortunately it is generally
described simply as "1 trunk," "2 boxes," "1 bag," "2 bundles," "6 chests,"
and only occasionally more specific or intriguing: "1 chest carpenter's
tools," "musical instruments."

What is interesting, though, is that Irish emigrants arriving in the Port of
NYC, 1840-1910, seem to possess either considerably fewer, chests, trunks,
bags, bundles or boxes, or none at all, in comparison to emigrants from
other
European countries.

See: the Ship Emma Fields (Arr. Port of NYC, Nov. 24th, 1853; 390
passengers,
42 deaths). Although significantly more than half of its emigrants were
Irish, this ship from Liverpool was a floating multi-cultural death trap
with emigrants from Scotland, the German states, France and England in the
steerage compartments. And while the non-Irish definitely possessed more
baggage, on this particular coffin ship their death rates were comparable
to
the Irish. Ship fever shows no favor.

I look for someone with more time and better eyesight to do the research, as
the records are blurred, blotted, and difficult to read.

"A rule of thumb" I was once given by the novelist Peter Quinn concerning
Irish-Americans may be apropos, and I merely paraphrase: If you have no idea
where in Ireland your family emigrated from; if no mementos, no stories, not
a picture, a bonnet, a scrap of paper, or a ship's name has survived, you
are
probably descended from Irish "Famine" emigrants.

Over the years, and in the course of speaking to thousands of Irish
Americans, and helping not a few trace their family origins, I have found
this 'rule' to be remarkably useful. During the years 1845-1855, along with
their lives, the "Famine" Irish lost almost everything, especially mementos
and their memories.

Daniel Cassidy
New College of California
Irish Studies Program
A Leann Eireannach
San Francisco

From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Book Advice

Dear Paddy,
I'm delighted to see that Frank Neal's book is re-available, even at the
price he quoted.
Publishers do play games with us don't they. I suppose they feel that as
academics we need them more than they need us. I often wish that, as a
group,
we could do something about this. This feeling was exacerbated in the summer
when, after much searching I found one copy of Don MacRaild's book in
Waterstone's in London and one copy of Paul O'leary's book in Blackwell's in
Oxford - both carefully miss-filed and on the wrong shelves, by the way.
Enquiries for Frank's drew a complete blank.
Perhaps Macmillan et al had people like me in mind when they priced the
book; it will cost, even at 50 pounds, less than spending a portion of
precious time in Europe, plus expenditure of temper and money.
Amazon.com is the obvious answer here, though I'd advise the colleagues to
make use of them while they may. Once one has mastered the complexities of
finding and ordering a book their service is excellent. So good, in fact,
that they have not made one cent in profit since they were established and
their future is far from assured - they clebrated their last quarter returns
because they'd made less of a loss than they'd anticipated. If they go it
will be a sad loss to us but a great boon to publishers and their chain
distributors - they can send us chasing around and make us feel privileged
when we find what we want.
Best,
John

To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
From: "Ruth-Ann M. Harris"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 3

In the case of landlord-assisted tenants, there is evidence from
both the Shirley Estate [Monaghan] and the Kingwilliamstown Estate
[northwest Cork] that emigrants took considerable goods with them. In a
letter to her parents in Kingwilliamstown [now Kanturk], Margaret McCarthy,
instructed them to bring items from tools to smoothing irons. I think
though that this discussion is more around sentimental mementos.
Ruth-Ann Harris




At 06:58 AM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:


>From: DanCas1[at]aol.com
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes
>
>In a message dated 11/8/00 2:19:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes:
>
> > Indeed,
> > >it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' mementos - what
> > >they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
> > >interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?
>
>
>Dear Elizabeth Malcom:
>
>Re: Irish Emigrant's Mementos
>
>In the "List or manifest" of ships arriving in "the District of New
>York-Port
>of New York" from roughly 1840-1910 (which has been microfilmed) "Baggage"
>is
>sometimes listed. Generally, the later in the century the more often this
is
>done and with slightly greater specificity. Unfortunately it is generally
>described simply as "1 trunk," "2 boxes," "1 bag," "2 bundles," "6 chests,"
>and only occasionally more specific or intriguing: "1 chest carpenter's
>tools," "musical instruments."
>
>What is interesting, though, is that Irish emigrants arriving in the Port
of
>NYC, 1840-1910, seem to possess either considerably fewer, chests, trunks,
>bags, bundles or boxes, or none at all, in comparison to emigrants from
>other
>European countries.
>
>See: the Ship Emma Fields (Arr. Port of NYC, Nov. 24th, 1853; 390
>passengers,
>42 deaths). Although significantly more than half of its emigrants were
>Irish, this ship from Liverpool was a floating multi-cultural death trap
>with emigrants from Scotland, the German states, France and England in the
>steerage compartments. And while the non-Irish definitely possessed more
>baggage, on this particular coffin ship their death rates were comparable
>to
>the Irish. Ship fever shows no favor.
>
>I look for someone with more time and better eyesight to do the research,
as
>the records are blurred, blotted, and difficult to read.
>
>"A rule of thumb" I was once given by the novelist Peter Quinn concerning
>Irish-Americans may be apropos, and I merely paraphrase: If you have no
idea
>where in Ireland your family emigrated from; if no mementos, no stories,
not
>a picture, a bonnet, a scrap of paper, or a ship's name has survived, you
>are
>probably descended from Irish "Famine" emigrants.
>
>Over the years, and in the course of speaking to thousands of Irish
>Americans, and helping not a few trace their family origins, I have found
>this 'rule' to be remarkably useful. During the years 1845-1855, along with
>their lives, the "Famine" Irish lost almost everything, especially mementos
>and their memories.
>
>Daniel Cassidy
>New College of California
>Irish Studies Program
>A Leann Eireannach
>San Francisco

Ruth-Ann M. Harris, Adjunct Prof of History and Irish Studies, Boston
College
Note new e-mail address: harrisrd[at]bc.edu
Home Phone: (617)522-4361; FAX:(617)983-0328; Office Phone:(617)552-1571
Summer and Weekend Number: (Phone) (603) 938-2660

From: harrisrd
Subject: RE: Ir-D Baggage

Charles,
A citation for the Margaret McCarthy letter [Kingwilliamstown] is
PRONI,
T3603. I refer to it in the introduction to "The Search for Missing
Friends,
Irish Immigrant Advertisements Placed in the Boston Pilot," Vol. II, 1851-53
[Ruth-Ann M. Harris and B. Emer O'Keeffe, editors] published by the New
England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, 1991, pp.ii-iii. I have the
full text of the letter if you wish to see it.
Citation for the Shirley Estate documents appears in Patrick J.
Duffy,[he
has an article in the Clogher Record which I'll have to look up]. Mine
appears in "Reclaiming Gender, Transgressive Identities in Modern Ireland"
edited by Marilyn Cohen and Nancy J. Curtin [New York, St.Martin's Press,
1999] as Ruth-Ann M. Harris, "Negotiating Patriarchy: Irish Women and the
Landlord," pp. 207-226.
Hope this helps. Ruth-Ann Harris


>===== Original Message From irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk =====
>From: "Charles E. Orser"
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 4
>
>The question of what evicted tenants took with them has obvious
>archaeological ramifications. Ruth-Ann, can you help with the citations for
>the
>Shirley Estate, Monaghan, and the Kingwilliamstown Estate? Or any further
>information?
>
>Charles Orser
>
>At 01:38 PM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>>From: "Ruth-Ann M. Harris"
>>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 3
>>
>> In the case of landlord-assisted tenants, there is evidence from
>>both the Shirley Estate [Monaghan] and the Kingwilliamstown Estate
>>[northwest Cork] that emigrants took considerable goods with them. In a
>>letter to her parents in Kingwilliamstown [now Kanturk], Margaret
McCarthy,
>>instructed them to bring items from tools to smoothing irons. I think
>>though that this discussion is more around sentimental mementos.
>> Ruth-Ann Harris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 06:58 AM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: DanCas1[at]aol.com
>>>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes
>>>
>>>In a message dated 11/8/00 2:19:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes:
>>>
>>> > Indeed,
>>> > >it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' mementos - what
>>> > >they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
>>> > >interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Elizabeth Malcom:
>>>
>>>Re: Irish Emigrant's Mementos
>>>
>>>In the "List or manifest" of ships arriving in "the District of New
>>>York-Port
>>>of New York" from roughly 1840-1910 (which has been microfilmed)
"Baggage"
>>>is
>>>sometimes listed. Generally, the later in the century the more often this
>>is
>>>done and with slightly greater specificity. Unfortunately it is generally
>>>described simply as "1 trunk," "2 boxes," "1 bag," "2 bundles," "6
>chests,"
>>>and only occasionally more specific or intriguing: "1 chest carpenter's
>>>tools," "musical instruments."
>>>
>>>What is interesting, though, is that Irish emigrants arriving in the Port
>>of
>>>NYC, 1840-1910, seem to possess either considerably fewer, chests,
trunks,
>>>bags, bundles or boxes, or none at all, in comparison to emigrants from
>>>other
>>>European countries.
>>>
>>>See: the Ship Emma Fields (Arr. Port of NYC, Nov. 24th, 1853; 390
>>>passengers,
>>>42 deaths). Although significantly more than half of its emigrants were
>>>Irish, this ship from Liverpool was a floating multi-cultural death trap
>>>with emigrants from Scotland, the German states, France and England in
the
>>>steerage compartments. And while the non-Irish definitely possessed more
>>>baggage, on this particular coffin ship their death rates were
comparable
>>>to
>>>the Irish. Ship fever shows no favor.
>>>
>>>I look for someone with more time and better eyesight to do the research,
>>as
>>>the records are blurred, blotted, and difficult to read.
>>>
>>>"A rule of thumb" I was once given by the novelist Peter Quinn concerning
>>>Irish-Americans may be apropos, and I merely paraphrase: If you have no
>>idea
>>>where in Ireland your family emigrated from; if no mementos, no stories,
>>not
>>>a picture, a bonnet, a scrap of paper, or a ship's name has survived, you
>>>are
>>>probably descended from Irish "Famine" emigrants.
>>>
>>>Over the years, and in the course of speaking to thousands of Irish
>>>Americans, and helping not a few trace their family origins, I have found
>>>this 'rule' to be remarkably useful. During the years 1845-1855, along
>with
>>>their lives, the "Famine" Irish lost almost everything, especially
>mementos
>>>and their memories.
>>>
>>>Daniel Cassidy
>>>New College of California
>>>Irish Studies Program
>>>A Leann Eireannach
>>>San Francisco
>>
>>Ruth-Ann M. Harris, Adjunct Prof of History and Irish Studies, Boston
>>College
>>Note new e-mail address: harrisrd[at]bc.edu
>>Home Phone: (617)522-4361; FAX:(617)983-0328; Office Phone:(617)552-1571
>>Summer and Weekend Number: (Phone) (603) 938-2660
>>
>>
>***************************************************************************
*
>Charles E. Orser, Jr.
>Distinguished Professor of Anthropology,
>Founding Editor, International Journal of Historical Archaeology, and
>Adjunct Professor of Archaeology, National University of Ireland, Galway
>
>Department of Sociology and Anthropology
>Campus Box 4660
>Illinois State University
>Normal, IL 61790-4660
>
>Phone: 309.438.2271
>Fax: 309.438.5378
>e-mail: ceorser[at]ilstu.edu
>field school website: www.ilstu.edu/~ceorser/field_school.htm
>***************************************************************************
*

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: Wilde Exhibition

Dear All
Please information below on the Oscar Wilde centenary exhibition here =
at the
British Library from 10th November to 4 February 2001.
Best wishes
Mary
Mary Doran, Curator, Modern Irish Collections, The British Library, 96
Euston Road, London NW1 2DB
________________________________________________________________________=
Oscar Wilde: A life in Six Acts
This exhibition presents Wilde's life story as a series of six acts.
Starting with Wilde's childhood in Ireland and student days in Dublin =
and
Oxford, it leads the visitor through his triumphant lecture tour of =
America
and huge popularity as a writer and social figure, to his three famous
trials, imprisonment, exile and early death in Paris.

What to see:=20
Manuscripts, printed editions, photographs, paintings, theatre posters =
and
programmes, sound recordings, newspapers and memorabilia from the =
Library's
collections and family and private archives - many are on display for =
the
first time.
The exhibition has been prepared with the assistance of Wilde's =
grandson,
Merlin Holland.

Venue:
The British Library, Pearson Gallery, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB

Exhibition opening hours:
Mon, Wed-Fri 09.30-18.00
Tue 09.30-20.00
Sat 09.30-17.00
Sun 11.00-17.00 (Except Sun 19 Nov 13.00-17.00)

Closed:
Sun 24 Dec to Wed 27 Dec inclusive
Sun 31 Dec 2000 and Mon 1 Jan 2001

Ticket prices: Full price =A34.50; concessions =A33.00, Free to under =
18s
No advance booking except for groups of 12+ who should call +44 (0)20 =
7412
7332

From: "Charles E. Orser"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 4

The question of what evicted tenants took with them has obvious
archaeological ramifications. Ruth-Ann, can you help with the citations for
the
Shirley Estate, Monaghan, and the Kingwilliamstown Estate? Or any further
information?

Charles Orser

At 01:38 PM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>
>To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>From: "Ruth-Ann M. Harris"
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 3
>
> In the case of landlord-assisted tenants, there is evidence from
>both the Shirley Estate [Monaghan] and the Kingwilliamstown Estate
>[northwest Cork] that emigrants took considerable goods with them. In a
>letter to her parents in Kingwilliamstown [now Kanturk], Margaret McCarthy,
>instructed them to bring items from tools to smoothing irons. I think
>though that this discussion is more around sentimental mementos.
> Ruth-Ann Harris
>
>
>
>
>At 06:58 AM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>>From: DanCas1[at]aol.com
>>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes
>>
>>In a message dated 11/8/00 2:19:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes:
>>
>> > Indeed,
>> > >it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' mementos - what
>> > >they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
>> > >interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?
>>
>>
>>Dear Elizabeth Malcom:
>>
>>Re: Irish Emigrant's Mementos
>>
>>In the "List or manifest" of ships arriving in "the District of New
>>York-Port
>>of New York" from roughly 1840-1910 (which has been microfilmed) "Baggage"
>>is
>>sometimes listed. Generally, the later in the century the more often this
>is
>>done and with slightly greater specificity. Unfortunately it is generally
>>described simply as "1 trunk," "2 boxes," "1 bag," "2 bundles," "6
chests,"
>>and only occasionally more specific or intriguing: "1 chest carpenter's
>>tools," "musical instruments."
>>
>>What is interesting, though, is that Irish emigrants arriving in the Port
>of
>>NYC, 1840-1910, seem to possess either considerably fewer, chests, trunks,
>>bags, bundles or boxes, or none at all, in comparison to emigrants from
>>other
>>European countries.
>>
>>See: the Ship Emma Fields (Arr. Port of NYC, Nov. 24th, 1853; 390
>>passengers,
>>42 deaths). Although significantly more than half of its emigrants were
>>Irish, this ship from Liverpool was a floating multi-cultural death trap
>>with emigrants from Scotland, the German states, France and England in the
>>steerage compartments. And while the non-Irish definitely possessed more
>>baggage, on this particular coffin ship their death rates were comparable
>>to
>>the Irish. Ship fever shows no favor.
>>
>>I look for someone with more time and better eyesight to do the research,
>as
>>the records are blurred, blotted, and difficult to read.
>>
>>"A rule of thumb" I was once given by the novelist Peter Quinn concerning
>>Irish-Americans may be apropos, and I merely paraphrase: If you have no
>idea
>>where in Ireland your family emigrated from; if no mementos, no stories,
>not
>>a picture, a bonnet, a scrap of paper, or a ship's name has survived, you
>>are
>>probably descended from Irish "Famine" emigrants.
>>
>>Over the years, and in the course of speaking to thousands of Irish
>>Americans, and helping not a few trace their family origins, I have found
>>this 'rule' to be remarkably useful. During the years 1845-1855, along
with
>>their lives, the "Famine" Irish lost almost everything, especially
mementos
>>and their memories.
>>
>>Daniel Cassidy
>>New College of California
>>Irish Studies Program
>>A Leann Eireannach
>>San Francisco
>
>Ruth-Ann M. Harris, Adjunct Prof of History and Irish Studies, Boston
>College
>Note new e-mail address: harrisrd[at]bc.edu
>Home Phone: (617)522-4361; FAX:(617)983-0328; Office Phone:(617)552-1571
>Summer and Weekend Number: (Phone) (603) 938-2660
>
>
****************************************************************************
Charles E. Orser, Jr.
Distinguished Professor of Anthropology,
Founding Editor, International Journal of Historical Archaeology, and
Adjunct Professor of Archaeology, National University of Ireland, Galway

Department of Sociology and Anthropology
Campus Box 4660
Illinois State University
Normal, IL 61790-4660

Phone: 309.438.2271
Fax: 309.438.5378
e-mail: ceorser[at]ilstu.edu
field school website: www.ilstu.edu/~ceorser/field_school.htm
****************************************************************************

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: Wilde Events

Dear All=20
Please see information below on events tied in with the Oscar Wilde
centenary exhibition here at the British Library.
Best wishes
Mary
Mary Doran, Curator, Modern Irish Collections,=20
The British Library, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB
_____________________________________________________________________

Oscar Wilde Events

Monday 13 November 2000 18.15-19.15
Richard Coles and guests Roy Foster, Neil Sammells, and Jonathan =
Dollimore
discuss The Epigrams of Oscar Wilde
=A37.50; =A36.00 concessions

Tuesday 28 November 2000 18.15-21.00
Merlin Holland introduces the feature film The Trials of Oscar Wilde
=A35.00; =A33.50 concessions

Sunday 3 December 2000 15.00-16.30
Anna Carteret and Paula Wilcox present Wilde Wilde Women - an anthology =
of
Oscar Wilde's best writing for actresses, the female audience and the =
women
in his life.
=A37.50; =A36.00 concessions

Tuesday 12 December 2000 18.15-19.15
Owen Dudley Edwards discusses The Irishness of Oscar Wilde
=A35.00; =A33.50 concessions

Sunday 17 December 2000 15.00-16.00
Patrick Marley reads The Canterville Ghost and The Selfish Giant - a =
pre
Christmas treat for children and adults
=A35.00; =A33.50 concessions

Tuesday 9 January 2001 18.15-19.15
Simon Ward and Joseph Millson perform The Decay of Lying
=A37.50; =A36.00 concessions

Sunday 21 January 2001 15.00-16.10
Corin Redgrave performs De Profoundis
Followed by 16.30-17.40
The British cinema premiere of Two Loves - a Portrait of Lord Alfred =
Douglas
=A37.50; =A36.00 concessions

Tuesday 30 January 2001 18.15-19.30
Merlin Holland on Oscar Wilde Goes West
=A35.00; =A33.50 concessions

Sunday 4 February 2001 15.00-16.30
The British premiere of The Picture of Dorian Gray - Act One of a new
musical by Rupert Holmes
=A39.00; =A37.50 concessions

Free Pearson Gallery Talks 12.00p.m.
Alan Titchard in costume leads a witty commentary through the =
highlights of
the exhibition on six Sundays:=20
3, 10 and 17 December 2000 and 7, 14 and 21 January 2001

To book: =20
Please contact the British Library Box Office, 96 Euston Road, London =
NW1
2DB.=20
Tel: +44 (0)20 7412 7332 E-mail: boxoffice[at]bl.uk

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: A Future for Irish Studies?

The British Association for Irish Studies will be holding its Annual General
Meeting on Saturday 25 November 2000 at Camden Irish Centre in London.
Following the AGM there will be a panel discussion and open forum on the
theme of "A Future for Irish Studies?"

The Panel will consist of:
Claire Connolly (Cardiff University)
Marcella Edwards (University of Strathclyde)
Shaun Richards (Staffordshire University)
Neil Sammells (Bath Spa University College)

Time:
The AGM for BAIS members will start at 1.45 p.m.
The Panel Discussion open to all will start at 3.15p.m.

Venue:
The Douglas Hyde Room, Camden Irish Centre, 52 Camden Square, London NW1.
(Corner of Murray Street & Camden Square).

From: "joan hugman"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Baggage 2

Dear Paddy
Although it was written some time ago, Frank Neal's
article 'Liverpool, the Irish Steamship Companies and the Famine
Irish' (I&M vol 5, March 1986) has something useful to contribute to
this discussion: With fares pitched at rock bottom prices they
specifically targeted destitute Irish like Winifred Kelly who had
'sold all her furniture to pay the steamship fare and landed in
Liverpool with 3d to spare'. and those who had luggage were as likely
as not to lose it en route... Joan

ubject: Ir-D
Baggage 2 Date: Fri 9 Nov 2000 13:38:00 +0000 From:
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Reply-to:
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk To:
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk


From: harrisrd
Subject: RE: Ir-D Baggage

Charles,
A citation for the Margaret McCarthy letter [Kingwilliamstown] is
PRONI,
T3603. I refer to it in the introduction to "The Search for Missing
Friends,
Irish Immigrant Advertisements Placed in the Boston Pilot," Vol. II, 1851-53
[Ruth-Ann M. Harris and B. Emer O'Keeffe, editors] published by the New
England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, 1991, pp.ii-iii. I have the
full text of the letter if you wish to see it.
Citation for the Shirley Estate documents appears in Patrick J.
Duffy,[he
has an article in the Clogher Record which I'll have to look up]. Mine
appears in "Reclaiming Gender, Transgressive Identities in Modern Ireland"
edited by Marilyn Cohen and Nancy J. Curtin [New York, St.Martin's Press,
1999] as Ruth-Ann M. Harris, "Negotiating Patriarchy: Irish Women and the
Landlord," pp. 207-226.
Hope this helps. Ruth-Ann Harris


>===== Original Message From irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk =====
>From: "Charles E. Orser"
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 4
>
>The question of what evicted tenants took with them has obvious
>archaeological ramifications. Ruth-Ann, can you help with the citations for
>the
>Shirley Estate, Monaghan, and the Kingwilliamstown Estate? Or any further
>information?
>
>Charles Orser
>
>At 01:38 PM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>>From: "Ruth-Ann M. Harris"
>>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes 3
>>
>> In the case of landlord-assisted tenants, there is evidence from
>>both the Shirley Estate [Monaghan] and the Kingwilliamstown Estate
>>[northwest Cork] that emigrants took considerable goods with them. In a
>>letter to her parents in Kingwilliamstown [now Kanturk], Margaret
McCarthy,
>>instructed them to bring items from tools to smoothing irons. I think
>>though that this discussion is more around sentimental mementos.
>> Ruth-Ann Harris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 06:58 AM 11/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: DanCas1[at]aol.com
>>>Subject: Re: Ir-D Mementoes
>>>
>>>In a message dated 11/8/00 2:19:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes:
>>>
>>> > Indeed,
>>> > >it strikes me that the whole question of emigrants' mementos - what
>>> > >they chose to take, aside from the obvious photos and letters -is an
>>> > >interesting one. Has any systematic work been done on it?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Elizabeth Malcom:
>>>
>>>Re: Irish Emigrant's Mementos
>>>
>>>In the "List or manifest" of ships arriving in "the District of New
>>>York-Port
>>>of New York" from roughly 1840-1910 (which has been microfilmed)
"Baggage"
>>>is
>>>sometimes listed. Generally, the later in the century the more often this
>>is
>>>done and with slightly greater specificity. Unfortunately it is generally
>>>described simply as "1 trunk," "2 boxes," "1 bag," "2 bundles," "6
>chests,"
>>>and only occasionally more specific or intriguing: "1 chest carpenter's
>>>tools," "musical instruments."
>>>
>>>What is interesting, though, is that Irish emigrants arriving in the Port
>>of
>>>NYC, 1840-1910, seem to possess either considerably fewer, chests,
trunks,
>>>bags, bundles or boxes, or none at all, in comparison to emigrants from
>>>other
>>>European countries.
>>>
>>>See: the Ship Emma Fields (Arr. Port of NYC, Nov. 24th, 1853; 390
>>>passengers,
>>>42 deaths). Although significantly more than half of its emigrants were
>>>Irish, this ship from Liverpool was a floating multi-cultural death trap
>>>with emigrants from Scotland, the German states, France and England in
the
>>>steerage compartments. And while the non-Irish definitely possessed more
>>>baggage, on this particular coffin ship their death rates were
comparable
>>>to
>>>the Irish. Ship fever shows no favor.
>>>
>>>I look for someone with more time and better eyesight to do the research,
>>as
>>>the records are blurred, blotted, and difficult to read.
>>>
>>>"A rule of thumb" I was once given by the novelist Peter Quinn concerning
>>>Irish-Americans may be apropos, and I merely paraphrase: If you have no
>>idea
>>>where in Ireland your family emigrated from; if no mementos, no stories,
>>not
>>>a picture, a bonnet, a scrap of paper, or a ship's name has survived, you
>>>are
>>>probably descended from Irish "Famine" emigrants.
>>>
>>>Over the years, and in the course of speaking to thousands of Irish
>>>Americans, and helping not a few trace their family origins, I have found
>>>this 'rule' to be remarkably useful. During the years 1845-1855, along
>with
>>>their lives, the "Famine" Irish lost almost everything, especially
>mementos
>>>and their memories.
>>>
>>>Daniel Cassidy
>>>New College of California
>>>Irish Studies Program
>>>A Leann Eireannach
>>>San Francisco
>>
>>Ruth-Ann M. Harris, Adjunct Prof of History and Irish Studies, Boston
>>College
>>Note new e-mail address: harrisrd[at]bc.edu
>>Home Phone: (617)522-4361; FAX:(617)983-0328; Office Phone:(617)552-1571
>>Summer and Weekend Number: (Phone) (603) 938-2660
>>
>>
>***************************************************************************
*
>Charles E. Orser, Jr.
>Distinguished Professor of Anthropology,
>Founding Editor, International Journal of Historical Archaeology, and
>Adjunct Professor of Archaeology, National University of Ireland, Galway
>
>Department of Sociology and Anthropology
>Campus Box 4660
>Illinois State University
>Normal, IL 61790-4660
>
>Phone: 309.438.2271
>Fax: 309.438.5378
>e-mail: ceorser[at]ilstu.edu
>field school website: www.ilstu.edu/~ceorser/field_school.htm
>***************************************************************************
*


Joan Hugman
Department of History, Armstrong Building,
University of Newcastle NE1 7RU Tel 0191 222 6701

From: Hilary Robinson
Subject: Re: Ir-D Book Advice

btw - on behalf of dedicated bookshop browsers - many of our USA colleagues
are refusing to use amazon, as good independent booksellers have been
brought to their knees as a result of its activity (profit or no). At a
book launch in NY last feb during the annual CAA conference everyone
pledged to order and buy to book in question from local bookstores and not
Amazon. Now Amazon uk is up and running it;s something to consider.
Terrestrial chains already have an effect: Waterstones has already had a
notable effect upon smaller academic/specialist shops. In the UK/Ireland
most booksellers will take orders and have them fulfilled in 2-3 weeks.
Here in Belfast we now have two large city centre bookshops - both
waterstones - and a shop at Queens... (plus a crime book shop)... growing
up in Oxford in the 1970s there was an array of bookshops, now reduced more
or less to a rash of Blackwells and Waterstones (Though I hear borders is
about to/has just opened - but what diversity that will add I'm not sure).
What can we do? order books by phone or in person from our local shops if
they don't have them in stock. i have to admit I did order once from Amazon
when I needed something for teaching within 4 days and none of the NI
libraries/bookshops had it; the ease was seductive, but real bookshops are
more so!

forgive a moan from a biblioshop-phile
Hilary

>From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Book Advice
>
>Dear Paddy,
> I'm delighted to see that Frank Neal's book is re-available, even at the
>price he quoted.
> Publishers do play games with us don't they. I suppose they feel that as
>academics we need them more than they need us. I often wish that, as a
>group,
>we could do something about this. This feeling was exacerbated in the
summer
>when, after much searching I found one copy of Don MacRaild's book in
>Waterstone's in London and one copy of Paul O'leary's book in Blackwell's
in
>Oxford - both carefully miss-filed and on the wrong shelves, by the way.
>Enquiries for Frank's drew a complete blank.
> Perhaps Macmillan et al had people like me in mind when they priced the
>book; it will cost, even at 50 pounds, less than spending a portion of
>precious time in Europe, plus expenditure of temper and money.
> Amazon.com is the obvious answer here, though I'd advise the colleagues
to
>make use of them while they may. Once one has mastered the complexities of
>finding and ordering a book their service is excellent. So good, in fact,
>that they have not made one cent in profit since they were established and
>their future is far from assured - they clebrated their last quarter
returns
>because they'd made less of a loss than they'd anticipated. If they go it
>will be a sad loss to us but a great boon to publishers and their chain
>distributors - they can send us chasing around and make us feel privileged
>when we find what we want.
> Best,
> John


_______________________________

Dr. Hilary Robinson
School of Art and Design
University of Ulster at Belfast
York Street
Belfast BT15 1ED
Northern Ireland
UK


direct phone/fax: (+44) (0) 28 9026.7291)

From: ppo[at]aber.ac.uk
Subject: Irish in Nineteenth Century Britain

From: Paul O'Leary, ppo[at]aber.ac.uk


There is some evidence of Irish labourers working on the agricultural
estates of Lord Dunraven in south Wales, and the assumption must be that
they originally worked on his Irish estates. The complex patterns of
landholding among the larger landlords in the UK in the nineteenth century
made such movements a likely development. Dunraven held lands in Wales,
Ireland and England. Another example is the Marquis of Bute, who was a
major landowner in Scotland, Wales, England and had some family interests
in Ireland; trade between his estates in Wales and Ireland undoubtedly
facilitated migration between them. To what extent such movements were
assisted financially is difficult to assess. The consolidation of estates
in the twentieth century reduced the geographical spread of landholding and
so broke many of these links.





Dr Paul O'Leary
Adran Hanes a Hanes Cymru / Dept of History and Welsh History
Prifysgol Cymru Aberystwyth / University of Wales Aberystwyth
Aberystwyth
Ceredigion SY23 3DY

Tel: 01970 622842
Fax: 01970 622676

From: "Doran, Mary"
Subject: Wilde Events again

Dear All:
I'm very sorry that my previous message to you all was not very clear in
format. Hopefully this new message should be clearer. (We don't charge 37.50
for people to come to public events). I hope some of you will be able to
come to exhibition and some of the events.
Best wishes
Mary
Mary Doran, Modern Irish Collections
The British Library, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB

Oscar Wilde Events

Monday 13 November 2000 18.15-19.15
Richard Coles and guests Roy Foster, Neil Sammells, and Jonathan Dollimore
discuss The Epigrams of Oscar Wilde
£7.50; £6.00 concessions

Tuesday 28 November 2000 18.15-21.00
Merlin Holland introduces the feature film The Trials of Oscar Wilde
£5.00; £3.50 concessions

Sunday 3 December 2000 15.00-16.30
Anna Carteret and Paula Wilcox present Wilde Wilde Women - an anthology of
Oscar Wilde's best writing for actresses, the female audience and the women
in his life.
£7.50; £6.00 concessions

Tuesday 12 December 2000 18.15-19.15
Owen Dudley Edwards discusses The Irishness of Oscar Wilde
£5.00; £3.50 concessions

Sunday 17 December 2000 15.00-16.00
Patrick Marley reads The Canterville Ghost and The Selfish Giant - a pre
Christmas treat for children and adults
£5.00; £3.50 concessions

Tuesday 9 January 2001 18.15-19.15
Simon Ward and Joseph Millson perform The Decay of Lying
£7.50; £6.00 concessions

Sunday 21 January 2001 15.00-16.10
Corin Redgrave performs De Profoundis
Followed by 16.30-17.40
The British cinema premiere of Two Loves - a Portrait of Lord Alfred Douglas
£7.50; £6.00 concessions

Tuesday 30 January 2001 18.15-19.30
Merlin Holland on Oscar Wilde Goes West
£5.00; £3.50 concessions

Sunday 4 February 2001 15.00-16.30
The British premiere of The Picture of Dorian Gray - Act One of a new
musical by Rupert Holmes
£9.00; £7.50 concessions

Free Pearson Gallery Talks 12.00p.m.
Alan Titchard in costume leads a witty commentary through the highlights of
the exhibition on six Sundays:
3, 10 and 17 December 2000 and 7, 14 and 21 January 2001

To book:
Please contact the British Library Box Office, 96 Euston Road, London NW1
2DB.
Tel: +44 (0)20 7412 7332 E-mail: boxoffice[at]bl.uk

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

It was a great joy to meet so many Irish-Diasporta list friends and
colleagues at Mary Hickman's and Sarah Morgan's Irish Diaspora Conference in
London last weekend. A great, but hectic, joy - and I have spent the past
week dealing with all the misunderstandings that arose in half-remembered,
much interrupted discussion. I hope you are all now home safely.

Many Ir-D list members expressed their joy at at last seeing the Holloway
Road, London - which, it will be remembered, was the winner of the
Irish-Diaspora list Year 2000 St. Patrick's Day Competition. The Holloway
Road did not disappoint.

Also at the Conference, of course, were quite a number of my Irish Diaspora
contributors to the Encylopaedia of Ireland. Those to whom I showed the E
Of I sample pages remarked on the fact that the volume will be heavily
illustrated.

Yes. This was as much of a surprise to me as it was to you.

I can now reveal - because it has been revealed to me - that 'The Irish
Diaspora' can have about 45 illustrations in the Encylopaedia of Ireland,
single-column material for simple images, double-column for major images.
We can have 5 or 10 major images.

The actual choice of images in the completed volume remains with the General
Editor, Brian Lalor. We simply put forward suggestions, with photocopies
and archive information. The hard work of getting permissions and
camera-ready images will be taken on by the General Editor and his staff -
we do not have to do that. I will clarify all the details at a later date.

I think we should regard this as another opportunity to make the Irish
Diaspora visible. Especially E Of I contributors should think of this as an
opportunity to make their entries more visible on the page. Could
colleagues who are writing country, region or theme entries start thinking
now, please, about an appropriate illustration that will really catch the
eye.

As well as the classic illustrations the General Editor has also indicated
an interest in seeing 'ephemera'.

So, there is an opportunity here for those of you who are trying to gather
archives. Think about the material in your archive, and see if it is
suitable for the Encylopaedia of Ireland. Again, this is a way of making
your work visible - for your archive will be credited.

P.O'S.

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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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There is to be a Book Launch in London, England, on Thursday 23 November
2000 at 7.30 pm
South Cloisters, University College London, Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT.

English-Speaking Communities in Latin America

edited by Oliver Marshall

published by Palgrave and the Institute of Latin American Studies

For further information (about the Book Launch) contact
Ojimenez[at]sas.ac.uk

Further information about the book will, no doubt, reach us in due course.

P.O'S.

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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Irish-Diaspora list
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/

Personal Fax National 0870 284 1580
Fax International +44 870 284 1580

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England