From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
Subject: Women Religious.

Dear Patrick,
As you know, I have been concerned about the lack of attention paid to
Irish immigrant women who chose the religious life, devoted themselves to
social services and education and, consequently, adopted leadership roles
which ultimately involved them in running the equivalent of large
corporations - hospitals, colleges, schools. They made a very substantial
contribution to the establishment of an infrastructure which the immigrants
benefited from and proved, in the best and most practical way, that women
may
do any task which demands talent, ability and dedication. As such they could
be used as role models, in the secular sense, for contemporaries who find
themselves frustrated by lack of recognition and opportunity and the
imposition of ' glass ceilings', all of which they put down to 'gender
discrimination.' I've often wondered why the latter have not looked to these
women for inspiration and have not, at least, taken time to study them.
Maybe
it's because they are called, collectively, 'nuns' and are not really
'women'.
Because of this I welcome the publication of a book by Barbara Mary Walsh:
Roman Catholic Nuns in England and Wales, 1800-1937. published by Irish
Academic Press and available in America through:
ISBS 5824 NE Hassolo Street, Portland, OR 97213 3644.
I would hope that this publication will help to stimulate interest in the
work of women which benefited not only the immigrant groups but also the
indigenous population of the societies they established themselves in.
Best,
John

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded for information...

I recall we have at least one Saloutos Award winner on the Ir-D list...


Subject: Saloutos Memorial Book Award,2001

The Immigration and Ethnic History Society announces the annual Theodore
Saloutos Memorial Book Award Competition for 2001. The 2001 award will be
presented for the book judged best on any aspect of the immigration
history of the United States. "Immigration history" is defined as the
history of the movement of peoples from other countries to the United
States, of the repatriation movements of immigrants, and of the
consequences of such migrations, whether for the United States or for the
countries of origin. To be eligible for the award, a book must be
copyrighted "2001," must be based on substantial research in primary
sources, and must present a major new scholarly interpretation. A book may
be nominated by its author, the publisher, a member of the prize
committee, or a member of the Immigration and Ethnic History Society.

Inquiries and nominations should be submitted to the chair of the 2001
Saloutos Prize Committee: Professor David A. Gerber, Department of
History, State University at Buffalo, Amherst, New York, 14260-4130, or
.

Copies of the book must be received by the three members of the committee
by December 31, 2001. Send books to Professor Gerber at the above
departmental address as well as to: Professor Erika Lee, Department of
History, University of Minnesota, 614 Social Sciences, Minneapolis, MN
55455; and Professor Camille Guerin-Gonzales, (after 1 September) Reader
Services, The Huntington Library, 1151 Oxford Road, San Marino, CA 91108.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of the Connolly Association - Details - 020-7833-3022
or Organiser 01604-715793 E-mail[at] pmcelt[at]cs.com


Press Release ? immediate
George Thomson in Ireland and England Exhibition
The Irish Centre
Black Road
Hammersmith
6th September to 28th September

George Thomson was an English academic whose extraordinary career took him
from Cambridge to Galway and then to Birmingham. Along the way he spent time
on the Blasket Islands off the west coast of Ireland where he discovered a
culture with many similarities to Ancient Greece. He immersed himself in
this
society, learned the Irish language and used it to teach Greekat Galway
University. He came to Birmingham as Professor of Greek, anddedicated his
life to the celebration of the culture of working people.

Professor Thomson was expected to follow the privileged pathof a Cambridge
academic when he heard about an extraordinary society living onthe Blasket
Islands off the west coast of Ireland. In 1923, as other academics had done
before him, he went to investigate. There he found an exceptionally
hospitable community, whichappeared to be living in an inherited culture
protected from the ravages of encroaching commercialism. The Islanders had
their own strong traditions ofmusic and storytelling together with their own
rules of conduct. George lived amongst these people, learned the Irish
language, and encouraged one of the community, Maurice O?Sullivan, to write
his autobiography ? Twenty Years a-Growing. This has since become a literary
classic. George went on to Galway University to where he became Professor of
Greek. He thought his classes through the medium of Irish. In 1934 he
returned to Cambridge where he remained for threeyears before taking the
post
of Professor of Greek at BirminghamUniversity - a post he held for 33
years.
He never lost his identity with, and enthusiasm to help educate, the working
class, giving lectures to factoryworkers at the Austin car plant. He was
also
involved with the Clarion Singersand the Banner Theatre Group. He lectured
regularly at the Marx Memorial Library in Clarkenwell, London.

This exhibition tells the story of George Thomson?s life through personal
letters and photographs loaned by his window, Katharine, and compiled by
Birmingham Central Library.

The exhibition, which is sponsored by the Connolly Association, will be
formally opened by Councillor David Williams Deputy for Education on
Thursday
6th September at.7.30pm.

Other speaker?s will include Jim Redmond, General Secretary of the Connolly
Association, a British based Irish interest organisation and Peter Mulligan
Project organiser.

Issued by the Connolly Association - Details - 020-7833-3022
or Organiser 01604-715793 E-mail[at] pmcelt[at]cs.com

From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Fwd: The Carletons

Re. Carletons in Australia
For Eileen O'Sullivan

Eileen,

I'm forwarding the following message as it is rather too detailed to
summarise. This is what my research assistant has been able to come
up with so far on William Jr and J.R. Carleton in Melbourne. Hope it
helps. If anything else emerges, I'll pass it on too.

Best wishes,
Elizabeth


>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:13:14 +1000
>From: helenca[at]unimelb.edu.au
>Subject: The Carletons
>To: Elizabeth Malcolm
>Status:
>
>Dear Elizabeth
>
>1. I have established that William Carleton (1829-1897) published
>the following:
>
>a) 14 poems in magazines from 1865-1878, viz The Australasian,
>Australian town and country journal, Colonial monthly, and The
>Leader. I'll send you a paper copy of the details from AUSTLIT: the
>Australian literary database. (This also brought up an article
>"National poetry" in The Australian monthly magazine, Aug. 1867.)
>
>b) The Warden of Galway: a metrical tale in six cantos and other
>poems. Melbourne, Clarson, Massina and Co., 1868.
> xiv, 181, 48p.
>The Warden of Galway is based on a dramatic episode in the life of
>James Lynch Fitz-Stephen, mayor, magistrate and merchant who traded
>with Spain around 1493. As at 1868 his house still existed in
>Lombard Street, otherwise known as Dead Man's Lane, in Galway.
>The "other poems" were collected under the title of An Australian
>night's entertainment and comprised:
> The monomaniac's tale: the lost treasure
> The Englishman's tale: "May"
> The Frenchman's tale: the legend of the mill of Grainville l'Alonette.
>
>c) The Skipper's Bride (in Australian Poets 1788-1888: being a
>selection of poems upon all subjects?/ edited by Douglas B. W.
>Sladen. London, 1888, p.82-85) [Skipper is as in sea captain.]
>
>At the time of his death William Carleton he lived at 34A York St.,
>Prahran. Previously, e.g. 1892, he was listed in Sands and
>McDougall as living at 6 Ralston St, South Yarra.
>
>2. I have established that John Robert Carleton was born in Dublin
>and arrived here in 1864. As a painter he was in partnership from
>1885-1887 and then started his own business from 6 Ralston St, South
>Yarra. Later, e.g. 1892, he lived at (and apparently worked from)
>77 Osborne St., South Yarra and then for many years at 382 Punt
>Road, South Yarra, e.g. 1896-1912.
>
>In the Sands and McDougall directories which I checked [1891*] three
>painters were listed in Toorak Road (no.66 Barker & Turnbull, no.78
>H. C. Yates, no.317 Horatio Pollard). I used the microfiche versions
>of the directory, but if you would like any of this taken further
>the printed volumes in the ERC AB collection would be easier to use.
>[* I checked yesterday & only obtained the 1885-87 dates this
>morning!]
>
>One of Baillieu information staff, Andrew Toogood, will send you a
>photocopy about J.R.Carleton from 'Victoria and its Metropolis',
>v.2, p.596.
>
>
>The Archives collection contains several very large collections of
>19th solicitors' records, which basically comprise clients' files
>and contain all kinds of things, most of it unlisted. One of the
>Archives and Special Collections staff, Jane Ellen, is going to keep
>an eye out for the Carletons, so some more information *may* come to
>light.
>
>You may like to know about the Bibliography of Australian Literature
>Project, from the Monash University National Centre for Australian
>Studies (from ebsite)
> "The central component of the project is the production of a
>comprehensive Bibliography of Australian Literature (BAL)
>encompassing all writers of fiction, drama, poetry and children's
>writing who have published in book form. When complete, the
>bibliography will have entries on an estimated 10,000 Australian
>authors covering some 50,000 individual titles. Such an enormous
>resource will be accessed as a searchable database published on the
>web. We will publish the BAL database in volumes beginning with
>Volume 1, A-D, next year."
> http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/ncas/resources/balp/index.html
>
>-------------------
>Helen Armstrong
>helenca[at]unimelb.edu.au
>Tel 9592 5616

Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
Department of History Fax: +61-3-8344 7894
University of Melbourne email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
Parkville, Victoria
Australia 3010

PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY...

From
Laura Izarra
lizarra[at]usp.br

Call for Papers- IASIL 2002

UNIVERSIDADE DE SÃO PAULO
Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ciências Humanas
The International Association for the Study of Irish Literatures - IASIL
The Brazilian Association of Irish Studies - ABEI


Invitation and Call for Papers
IASIL 2002
São Paulo, July 28 - August 1


INTERRELATIONS
Irish Literatures and other forms of knowledge


This conference aims at developing an interdisciplinary approach to the
study of Irish Literatures. It looks at literary connections with History,
Psychology, Philosophy, Science, other Arts (such as music, dance, cinema,
painting), Critical Theory and Translation.
Papers and panels may also address the following issues:
- - intertextuality
- - cultural encounters
- - Irish images abroad
- - Irish culture

Deadline for proposals for papers (aprox. 300 words) and previously
organized panels:
15 January 2002.

All proposals and c.v. (one paragraph) must be submitted to the organizers
electronically:

Munira H. Mutran & Laura Izarra
Universidade de São Paulo- DLM
Av. Luciano Gualberto 403
05508-900 São Paulo ? SP / Brasil
Fax: 0055-11-3032 2325
iasil[at]usp.br

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan


I have pasted in below Peter Gray's helpful outline of the latest issue of
History Ireland.

This Special Issue is indeed of special interest to Irish Diaspora Studies,
since it looks at the relationships between Ireland, the Irish and the
Spanish-speaking countries...

A number of the subjects touched on in this HI Special Issue have previously
been discussed on the Ir-D list. For example - since I now have a
searchable database of the Ir-D archive, I can tell you that we held our
'Zorro was an Irishman' discussion in January 1999, and we gave due
acknowledgement then to the work of Fabio Troncarelli.

Every article in this Special Issue is recommended. Sometimes HI articles
simply cover old ground in popular form. But here there is much new
thinking - for example, Oscar Recio Morales on the Irish Colleges - and the
'Further Reading' suggestions are up to date. The book reviews too are of
interest - thus Glyn Redworth on Enrique Hernan reminds us that Philip II of
Spain was, for a while, while married to Mary Tudor, 'King of Ireland...',
and Raingard Esser on Karin Schuller discusses the contrast between the
Irish soldiers in Spain's service and the more straightforwardly mercenary
Swiss. Cumulatively the book reviews here remind us that we will see
developments in Irish Diaspora Studies in languages other than English...

P.O'S.


Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:59:50 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Peter Gray

TOC: HISTORY IRELAND 9/3 (Autumn 2001)

Special Issue: Ireland and Spain through the ages

John Carey, 'Did the Irish come from Spain? The legend of
the Milesians', pp. 8-11

Michael M. Barkham, 'The Spanish Basque Irish fishery and
trade in the sixteenth century', pp. 12-15

John McGurk, 'The Battle of Kinsale, 1601', pp. 16-21

Fabio Troncarelli, 'The man behind the mask of Zorro:
William Lamport of Wexford' [c.1611-59], pp. 22-25

Samuel Fannin, 'Alexander "Bloody" O'Reilly: "A monster of
fortune"' [1723-94], pp. 26-30

John de Courcy Ireland, 'Almirante William Brown, father of
the Argentine navy' [1777-1857], pp.31-34

Fearghal McGarry, 'Ireland and the Spanish Civil War', pp.
35-40

Paddy Woodworth, 'The Basque Conflict and Ireland', pp.
41-47

Oscar Recio Morales, 'Not only seminaries: the political
role of the Irish Colleges in seventeenth-century Spain'
[Sources], pp. 48-52

Reviews:
T. O'Connor (ed.), The Irish in Europe, 1580-1815; and M.B.
Villar Garcia (ed.), La emigracion irlandesa en siglo
xviii, by B. Morgan, pp.53-4
K. Schuller, Die Beziehungen zwischen Spanien und Irland im
16. und 17. Jahrhundert, by R. Esser, pp. 54-6
E. Garcia Hernan, Irlanda y el rey prudente, by G.
Redworth, p. 56

ISSN 0791-8224
http://www.historyireland.com

Peter Gray
Department of History
University of Southampton
Southampton SO17 1BJ
England, UK
Email p.gray[at]soton.ac.uk

From: "Anne-Maree Whitaker"
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Women Religious

Dear Paddy

Nice to have you back!

Another work on women religious which treats the subject in the manner
John Hickey describes is Rosa MacGinley, "A Dynamic of Hope: Institutes of
Women
Religious in Australia" ($30 RRP incl GST softcover, 440 + viii pages,
appendices, map, bibliography, index ISBN 0 9586713 1 1). To quote the
publisher's blurb: "Traces the origins and trends of women's religious life
from earliest monastic times to mid-20th century Australia. The Reformation,
French Revolution and Irish Penal Laws combined to send nuns and sisters
from French orders to Australia, though often staffed from Irish houses
(like pioneers from fewer English and other institutes). The variety of
uniquely Australian responses to new conditions presage the diversity of
institutes which landed here earlier this century." It is published by
Crossing Press whose website is http://www.crossingpress.com.au



Dr Anne-Maree Whitaker FRHistS
P O Box 63
Edgecliff NSW 2027
Australia
ph (+61-2) 9356 4929 fax (+61-2) 9356 2065
mobile 0408 405 025
email ahcwhitaker[at]hotmail.com
website http://foveaux.freeservers.com



>From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>Subject: Ir-D Women Religious
>Date: Wed 29 Aug 2001 06:00:00 +0000
>
>From: Cymru66[at]aol.com
>Subject: Women Religious.
>
>Dear Patrick,
> As you know, I have been concerned about the lack of attention paid to
>Irish immigrant women who chose the religious life, devoted themselves to
>social services and education and, consequently, adopted leadership roles
>which ultimately involved them in running the equivalent of large
>corporations - hospitals, colleges, schools. They made a very substantial
>contribution to the establishment of an infrastructure which the immigrants
>benefited from and proved, in the best and most practical way, that women
>may
>do any task which demands talent, ability and dedication. As such they
>could
>be used as role models, in the secular sense, for contemporaries who find
>themselves frustrated by lack of recognition and opportunity and the
>imposition of ' glass ceilings', all of which they put down to 'gender
>discrimination.' I've often wondered why the latter have not looked to
>these
>women for inspiration and have not, at least, taken time to study them.
>Maybe
>it's because they are called, collectively, 'nuns' and are not really
>'women'.
> Because of this I welcome the publication of a book by Barbara Mary
>Walsh:
>Roman Catholic Nuns in England and Wales, 1800-1937. published by Irish
>Academic Press and available in America through:
> ISBS 5824 NE Hassolo Street, Portland, OR 97213 3644.
> I would hope that this publication will help to stimulate interest in the
>work of women which benefited not only the immigrant groups but also the
>indigenous population of the societies they established themselves in.
> Best,
> John
>

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan


Forwarded for information...

There are a number of items here that will interest Irish specialists...

(By the way, is there a good study of the Reformation in Ireland?)

P.O'S.

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:00:57 +0100
From: Mark Hawkins-Dady

The READER'S GUIDE TO BRITISH HISTORY is seeking contributors to write the
remaining 60 entries needed to complete this project, which will be
published in 2002. Edited by British historian Professor David Loades, the
Reader's Guide has been in progress since 1998. Unlike a traditional
encyclopedia, its entries (normally 1000 words) are succinct
literature-reviews of the subjects in question. Thus, for example, the entry
on Richard III considers modern studies/biographies of this particular
monarch. The project's website www.fitzroydearborn.com/london/rgbh.htm
contains sample entries, a complete list of entries, and other information.

Ph.D students, independent scholars, as well as those in academic posts are
encouraged to contact us. If you are interested in writing any of the
review-articles below, please send an email to rgbh[at]fitzroydearborn.co.uk
stating:

(1) your contact details

(2) briefly, research and/or publications (or include link to your homepage)

(3) the topics that interest you

Contributors get full credit in the book, and will receive free copies of
the 2 volumes and/or honoraria, depending on amount of words commissioned

LIST OF UNASSIGNED ENTRIES (as of 29 August 2001); a few of those below are
"under negotiation" but not yet firmly assigned.

Architecture: Roman architecture & stone sculpture
Arms Industry in Britain, history of (mainly modern/contemporary period)
Art: Panel painting
Asian community of Britain, history of
Bacon, Roger (c.1220-92)
Bannockburn, battle of (1314)
Bibliographical studies of Scotland, summary of (before 1603)
Council of Scotland, origins and history of
Crown, institution of: Great Britain since 1603
Crown, institution of: Scotland to 1603
Dublin, history of
Ecumenism, history of (19th & 20th centuries)
Education: universities and other higher education, history of (to 20th
century)
Education: grammar schools, emergence of (i.e. medieval/early modern
schooling)
Edward Bruce (d. 1318)
Edward the Elder (d. 924)
Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms, general histories of
Exeter, history of
Exploration since the 18th century
Feminism, history of in Britain (particulalry 2nd wave)
Fiction: since 1914
Girl Guides movement
Grattan, Henry (1746-1820)
Heritage and conservation movement, history of
Irish Kingdoms, general history of (to c. 1066)
Labour relations in the 20th century
Law: Penal code, history of
London 2: mid-16th Century to c. 1800
London 3: c.1800 to present
Major, John (b. 1943)
Mathematics in Britain, history of
Merchant Navy before 1650
Navy, history of 2: modern navy (since steamships)
Oil and Coal industries
Old Age, history of
Poetry: Renaissance to 1660
Poetry: Restoration and 18th Century
Poetry: Victorian and Edwardian Era
Poetry: since 1914
Reformation in Ireland
Robert II of Scotland (1316-90)
Robert III of Scotland (c.1337-1406)
Scotland in the Renaissance
Scotland: County Histories
Settlement and Land Use: Urbanization
Social Conflict: Contemporary
Social Conflict: Early Modern
Social Conflict: Medieval
Social Structure: English gentry
Surveying and Cartography
Taxation: Non-Parliamentary, history of (Medieval & Early Modern)
Tolpuddle martyrs (sentenced 1834)
Trade, Overseas: 1260-1500
Trade, Overseas: 1800-c.1890
Trade, Overseas: c.1890-present
Ulster, history of the region
University of Cambridge, history of
University of Oxford, history of
Women's voices, radical and prophetic (early modern)
World War II: British involvement in western front

Thank you

Mark Hawkins-Dady (Commissioning Editor)

Reader's Guide to British History
Fitzroy Dearborn Publishers
310 Regent Street
London
W1B 3AX
tel +44 (0)20 7467 1414
fax +44 (0)20 7636 6982
email: rgbh[at]fitzroydearborn.co.uk
website: www.fitzroydearborn.com/london/rgbh.htm

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan


Those who are developing a general theory of archipelagos are interested in
the work of Island Studies at the University of Prince Edward Island,
Canada. Ireland is not a designated part of 'The North Atlantic Islands
Programme (NAIP)' - too big and important maybe.

But 'Island Studies' is an important part of 'Irish Studies', and the
framing of a certain Irish identity - and the links and discussion papers at
the IIS web page do provide interesting background.

They have just issued their Call for Papers for their Conference next year -
contact information below...

P.O'S.


http://www.upei.ca/~iis/
http://www.upei.ca/~iis/naip/index.htm

Islands of the World VII: New Horizons in Island Studies
Location: Prince Edward Island
Deadline: 2002-01-31

Description: ISLANDS OF THE WORLD VII: NEW HORIZONS IN ISLAND STUDIES
University of Prince Edward Island
Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada

June 26-30, 2002
The International Small Islands Studies Association and the Institute of
Island Studies
invite papers for the seventh Islands of the World conference,

Contact: islandsvii[at]upei.ca
URL: www.upei.ca/islandstudies/islandsvii


- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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Forwarded on behalf of

Peter Gray

HISTORY SCOTLAND launch
History Scotland is a new, full colour, illustrated
magazine aimed at a wide audience. It is the initiative of
Scotland's historians, archaeologists and heritage
professionals, representing a unified response to the new
awakening of interest in Scotland's past. The magazine will
have a broad content including archaeology, history,
architectural history, language, place-names and
environmental studies. There will also be interviews, book
reviews, news and events.

History Scotland will be officially launched on 12 October
2001 at the Royal Museum of Scotland, Edinburgh, by Prof.
Christopher Smout.

Further information from: History Scotland, Dept IE 8036,
PO Box 91001, Great Britain, EC50 9TY, UK.

----------------------
Dr Peter Gray
Department of History
University of Southampton
Highfield, Southampton, SO17 1BJ, UK
Email: pg2[at]soton.ac.uk
Homepage: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pg2/index.html

For information...

The following quotation has been brought to our attention...

From a speech entitled "Citizenship, Identity and Ethnicity in Britain and
Europe" by FCO Minister of State Keith Vaz at the Diplomatic Academy,
Vienna, Wednesday 28 February 2001:

"After all, as a result of our history of immigration, more than 3 million
British people are from visible ethnic minorities - that is 5.5% of the
total population. And that figure does not include those of Irish, Jewish
or Cypriot descent - all groups which add further to the ethnic diversity
of the British population."

From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Irish Reformations

I am lecturing on the topic this week and next. I'd recommend the
following in no particular order:

S.A. Meigs, 'The Reformations in Ireland...1400-1690', Dublin, 1997
Alan Ford (ed.), 'The Protestant Reformation in Ireland, 1590-1641,
Dublin, 1997
Brendan Bradshaw, 'The Dissolution of the Religious Orders in Ireland
under Henry VIII', Cambridge, 1974
- --- 'Sword, Word and Strategy in the Reformation in Ireland',
Historical Journal, 21 (1978)
N. Canny, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl. of
Ecclesiastical History, 30 (1979)
K. Bottigheimer, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl.
of Ecclesiastical History, 36 (1985)
P.J. Corish (ed), 'A History of Irish Catholicism. Volume 3: First
Impact of the Reformation; The Counter Reformation', Dublin, 1967
- --- 'The Catholic Community in the 17th and 18th Centuries', Dublin, 1981
John Bossy, 'The Counter Reformation and the People of Catholic
Ireland', Historical Studies, 8 (1971)

I'd also point out that there actually 2 reformations in Ireland in
the 16th/17th centuries: a Protestant one and a Catholic Counter
Reformation.

Elizabeth Malcolm


Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010
AUSTRALIA

For information...

FROM
The Irish Times Thursday, August 30, 2001

Population has reached its highest level in 120 years


By Jane Suiter and Joe Humphreys
The population of the Republic has reached its highest level in 120
years
following a dramatic decline in emigration.
Figures from the Central Statistics Office show the population rose to
3.84 million for the year ended April 2001, the highest level since
the
1881 census.
And for the first time on record, the number of people emigrating
annually
from the State has fallen below 20,000.
Published yesterday, the figures show net migration (in this case a
surplus of immigrants over emigrants) reached a historic high of
26,300 in
the year to April 2001. The number of emigrants was estimated at
19,900
and immigrants 46,200, a record proportion of whom were from countries
outside of the EU and US.
Mr Gerry O'Hanlon, a director of the CSO, said the figures showed "we
are
no longer an emigrant country".
He predicted the population would continue to rise by between 40,000
and
50,000 a year for the foreseeable future, breaking the 4 million
barrier
in 2005-06 and reaching 4.6 million in 2031.
Economists anticipate the growth will put renewed pressures on the
housing
market, particularly in Dublin. However, public services such as
health,
education and the welfare system are not expected to suffer additional
strains, in the short term at least, as the majority of returning
emigrants and new migrants are of working age.
Mr Danny McCoy of the ESRI noted that many migrants had equity as a
result
of selling their homes abroad. "That will support the housing market
into
the future."
"Despite the increase in the absolute population level, the increasing
number of migrants is simply making up for the falling birth rate."
He said births were now below replacement ratio. As a result, there
would
be little if any additional pressure on schools or hospitals at the
moment. He added that Ireland was still relatively under-populated, at
about one-fifth the density of the UK.
The growth in population continues a trend which began in 1961, when
the
number of people in the State fell to a record low of 2.82 million.
As well as showing changes in migration, the figures record a natural
increase in the population - stemming from a greater number of births
than
deaths - of 25,700 for the year ended April 2001. This was the largest
such increase for over a decade.
The figures show that in the year up to March 2001, there were 55,000
births and 29,300 deaths, 1,100 more and 600 fewer respectively than
in
the same period last year.
On migration, the figures indicate that the flow of returning Irish
nationals is slowing, although they continue to be the largest
immigrant
group, making up 39 per cent of the total. This is well below the 1999
level of 55 per cent.
The fastest growing area of immigration is from countries outside the
EU
and the US. In the year ended April 2001, there were 12,300 immigrants
from such countries. This compares with 4,200 in 1996.
US nationals accounted for 2,800 of last year's immigrants, UK
nationals
7,000 and other Europeans 5,800.
The figures are based on information provided by the CSO's Quarterly
National House hold Survey, along with official statistics on asylum
applications, visa issues and other indicators.
The CSO stressed the figures may be revised following the next
national
census, which was postponed due to the foot-and-mouth crisis and is
due to
take place next year.



Number leaving Ireland below 20,000


By Joe Humphreys and Jane Suiter
The number of people emigrating annually from the Republic fell for
the
first time below 20,000 in the year ended April 2001, according to
Central
Statistics Office estimates.
The figures, published yesterday, show a continuing upward trend in
net
migration with fewer people emigrating and more Irish nationals
returning
home. The number of emigrants in the year ended April 2001 was
estimated
at 19,900.
This represents a 10 per cent drop on last year and a 50 per cent drop
on
1999. Meanwhile, immigration in the same year was estimated at 46,200,
an
increase of almost 4,000 on last year.
Returning Irish nationals continue to be the largest immigrant group
(39
per cent) although their share has been decreasing steadily from a
1999
level of 55 per cent.
US nationals represented 6 per cent of immigrants, UK nationals 15 per
cent and other Europeans 13 per cent. Nationals of other countries
accounted for over 26 per cent of immigrants. Last year, they
represented
only 18 per cent.
The CSO figures also showed a natural increase in population (births
less
deaths) of 25,700. This was the largest rise since 1988, when an
increase
of 26,300 was recorded. This boost, combined with the migration
changes,
has led to an increase in the Republic's population to a 120-year high
of
3.84 million.
The highest population on record for the 26 counties was 6.53 million
in
1841, falling to 3.87 million in 1881 and an all-time low of 2.82
million
in 1961.
The CSO has predicted the population will continue to rise, breaking
the 4
million mark in 2005-2006, and reaching 4.57 million in 2031.
CSO statistician Mr Francis McCann said: "Neither the birth rate nor
the
death rate has changed very much but there are more women of
child-bearing
age in the State at the moment."
The number of women in the 25-29 age bracket stood at 166,400 in the
year
ended April 2001, compared to 162,100 in the previous year. There were
also more women in the 30-34 age bracket - 156,800 in the year ended
April
2001 compared to 149,500 the previous year.
As in previous estimates, immigrants were older in general than
emigrants.
Half of emigrants were aged 15-24, while 53 per cent of immigrants
were
aged 25-44.
Of the net immigrants, the CSO estimated that about 12,000 to 15,000
would
be part of the labour force, making up about a third of labour force
growth in the year, despite slower employment growth.

- --
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Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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From: McCaffrey
Subject: Dicuil question

I am working on an early diaspora figure - Dicuil, the ninth century
Irish scholar who whose great work on geography contains some important
'firsts' like information on Iceland and a fairly decent estimate of the
measurement of the earth. It is calculated that he worked round the
year 825. But if anyone out there has something on his personal
background I would like to hear.
Thanks,
Carmel

From: Kevin Kenny
Subject: Ireland and the British Empire

>From Kevin Kenny, Boston College: kennyka[at]bc.edu

I am writing an essay on the Irish in the British Empire
which will involve such themes as migration, government
administration, the military, and missionary work. While I
am well versed in the first of these themes, I would very
much appreciate any reading suggestions on the Irish as
imperial administrators and soldiers and, especially, as
missionaries--both Catholic and Protestant--in the Empire.
(Suggestions on additional themes will, of course, be very
welcome.)

This essay will be one of nine in a book called _Ireland
and the British Empire_ that I am editing for Oxford
University Press. Work is just getting underway; the book
is scheduled to appear in 2003 and is sure to be of
interest to Ir-D subscribers. I will be glad to post some
progress reports along the way and, when the time comes,
a detailed description of the book.

Many thanks.

Kevin Kenny

----------------------
Kevin Kenny
Associate Professor of History
Department of History, Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue, Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone(617)552-1196; Fax(617)552-3714; kennyka[at]bc.edu
www2.bc.edu/~kennyka/

From: McCaffrey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Reformations

How about the big one. The twelfth century reformation which ended the
Irish
monastic way of life and attempted to put the Irish church directly under
the
Papacy. Probably was the most significant change in Irish Christianity.
Carmel McC

irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: Elizabeth Malcolm
> Subject: Irish Reformations
>
> I am lecturing on the topic this week and next. I'd recommend the
> following in no particular order:
>
> S.A. Meigs, 'The Reformations in Ireland...1400-1690', Dublin, 1997
> Alan Ford (ed.), 'The Protestant Reformation in Ireland, 1590-1641,
> Dublin, 1997
> Brendan Bradshaw, 'The Dissolution of the Religious Orders in Ireland
> under Henry VIII', Cambridge, 1974
> --- 'Sword, Word and Strategy in the Reformation in Ireland',
> Historical Journal, 21 (1978)
> N. Canny, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl. of
> Ecclesiastical History, 30 (1979)
> K. Bottigheimer, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl.
> of Ecclesiastical History, 36 (1985)
> P.J. Corish (ed), 'A History of Irish Catholicism. Volume 3: First
> Impact of the Reformation; The Counter Reformation', Dublin, 1967
> --- 'The Catholic Community in the 17th and 18th Centuries', Dublin, 1981
> John Bossy, 'The Counter Reformation and the People of Catholic
> Ireland', Historical Studies, 8 (1971)
>
> I'd also point out that there actually 2 reformations in Ireland in
> the 16th/17th centuries: a Protestant one and a Catholic Counter
> Reformation.
>
> Elizabeth Malcolm
>
> Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
> Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
> Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
> University of Melbourne
> Parkville, Victoria, 3010
> AUSTRALIA

From: "Anne-Maree Whitaker"
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: NSW Premier's History Awards

Ir-D List subscribers will be interested to learn that one of only three
books
short-listed in the general history section of the NSW Premier's History
Awards is Bob Reece's 'The Origins of Irish Convict Transportation to New
South Wales'. The winner will be announced on 17 September.

Dr Anne-Maree Whitaker FRHistS
P O Box 63
Edgecliff NSW 2027
Australia
ph (+61-2) 9356 4929 fax (+61-2) 9356 2065
mobile 0408 405 025
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Selected book reviews - see especially GALLOWAY STREET by JOHN BOYLE...

...forwarded, with permission, from...

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published in Ireland, and those published overseas which have an Irish
theme. A searchable database of all books reviewed by us over the last
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GALLOWS SPEECHES FROM EIGHTEENTH CENTURY IRELAND by JAMES KELLY
- - The practice of making a last speech was prevalent in both Ireland
and England during the early years of the 18th century, encouraged in
many instances as an example and a warning to young people, and the
similarity of wording in many is noticeable. The publication of such
speeches also attests both to the increasing literacy of the
population and the development of print as a medium of communication.
There was much competition to claim the publishing rights of such
speeches and Mr Kelly's book contains two examples of last speeches
issued by rival printers. The testimonies of John McCoy, Thomas
Barnet, John Smith and Owen Geoghegan, all executed near St Stephen's
Green in 1725 for stealing, bear the imprint of both Reign-Deer of
Mountrath Street and C. Carter of Dublin. Indeed a number of those
about to be executed make a point of naming the printer who has the
correct version of their final words. Thus Edward Fox, pickpocket,
who was hanged in 1726, warns against the Mountrath Street printer,
saying that he "has a Speech ready to Print upon all occasions, and
only changes the Persons Names". There would appear to have been a
convention of forgiving all one's enemies, even those who bore the
real guilt for the crime which has brought the death penalty. When a
man, or more rarely a woman, protested his or her innocence of the
crime for which he or she had been convicted, very often the accused
would give a list of other infringements of the law which warranted
their present predicament. Many laid the cause of their criminal
ways at the door of women; John McGurran goes so far as to urge young
men to "shun all bad Company, especially the Company of Harlots, for
they are the things the Devil beats his Hooks with".

Though the title would suggest a rather macabre content, in only one
instance is there a graphic description of the actual carrying out of
the death penalty. When Captain Collmore was hanged at Dundalk "for
being a Proclaim'd Tory", the manner of his death involving his being
"Quarter'd and his Intrals burn'd", the account ends with the words,
"He died very obstinately". One man attempted unsuccessfully to
cheat the hangman. William Dickson, condemned to death for coining,
supplied himself with a thick iron collar which he hoped would negate
the work of the hangman's rope, but the unusual thickness of his neck
was noticed by the Sheriff and High Sheriff and the collar removed
before the execution. The speeches range from the short account of
his life given by one Philip Malone, found guilty of stealing, to the
lengthy dissertation of James Dunbar who made use of Biblical
quotations in an effort to give guidance to the children he was
leaving fatherless. The inclusion of personal details gives an
immediacy to these speeches despite the repetition, and some seem
particularly unjust. One 14-year-old victim who was executed in 1731
for stealing, Will Henry, had already been unlucky enough to break
his leg while making his getaway. Similarly, one can only imagine
the desperation of Nicholas Cox, convicted of stealing and selling
cattle to feed his family after he had fallen behind with his rent.
Indeed the apparent triviality of many of the crimes gives the reader
of this interesting book an insight into the severity and
unpredictability of life in 18th century Ireland.
(Four Courts Press, ISBN 1-85182-611-4, pp288, IR19.65)

GALLOWAY STREET by JOHN BOYLE
- - John Boyle has captured the essence of growing up Irish in Scotland,
the family focus constantly turned westwards and the word 'home'
denoting a place visited both spiritually and actually by members of
the family. The author's mother came from Achill to live in Paisley
in the west of Scotland where she married a Donegal man and raised a
family of six children. John Boyle nicely captures the restricted
circle of Irish Catholics with whom the family mixed, referring to
his Aunt Margaret whose husband "never comes near us because he's a
Protestant". The deprivation experienced by such families in the
mid-20th century, often exacerbated by alcohol, is vividly captured,
as is the major part played by religion in their lives. The
annoyances of younger brothers, the ignominy of being the last chosen
for football teams and the first awareness that girls really are
different, all contribute to the reality of childhood.

The young John's life was to change, however, when as a nine-year-old
he accompanied his Aunt Mary, his mother's sister, home to Achill and
spent almost a year living and going to school on the island. While
opening up a different world to the young John, his time spent away
from Scotland alienated him from both family and friends through his
change of accent and he laments, "It's a hard thing to come back home
and feel like a foreigner in your own country". The narrative begins
and ends on Achill, at the funeral of John's Aunt Mary, as he tries
to understand the nine-year-old boy who entered island life and the
grown man who makes his living doing voice-overs. Perhaps the
dichotomy of being reared as an Irish child in Scotland can be summed
up by his feelings on returning to Paisley after his time on Achill,
"It seems to me I'm a foreigner wherever I go".
(Doubleday, ISBN 0-385-60231-6, pp224, IR9.99)


PAGAN DANCES OF CAHERBARNAGH by BRIDGET HORAN O'MAHONY
- - The rather earnest introduction to this collection about Ireland and
Seattle is belied by the tenor of those stories which are far removed
from the idealistic picture of Ireland and the Irish that I had
expected. Bridget Horan O'Mahony has the facility of inviting the
reader both to laugh and to cry with her, and in equal measure. The
desolation of a father about to see his firstborn leave home for the
first time, vividly evoked in "A Day in the Bog", is in sharp
contrast to the memories of anticipation, disappointment and pleasure
contained in the title piece. This recalls the days of the
crossroads dances and their demise on the introduction of commercial
ballrooms. The chronicle of Christie, an immigrant to the US,
follows his progress on both sides of the Atlantic and includes a
wonderful portrayal of a traditional band in an Irish pub in Seattle.
The same Christie is the subject of a series of letters from his
mother and his sister, the former craving any kind of communication
from her son - "Write soon. Even a card would do." - and his sister
taking over the mantle after their mother's death. This is a
rewarding book which begs to be read in one sitting.
(Educare Press, educarepress[at]hotmail.com, ISBN 0-944638-28-7, pp160,
$14.95)


CELTIC SAINTS IN THEIR LANDSCAPE by ELIZABETH REES
- - Encompassing the Celtic world of Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall,
Northumbria and the Isle of Man, this beautifully illustrated book
gives details of some fifty saints of Celtic origin, drawing on both
historical and literary sources for those details of their lives that
are available to us. The well-known saints are, of course, included;
the book opens with a chapter on St Patrick, and Columba, David and
Ninian are also prominently featured. However it is the lesser known
saints who fascinate; St Winifred of Wales is remembered for her
healing wells, as is St Madern, a Cornish saint whose well includes a
tree adorned with cloths. While the narrative is carefully
researched and intelligently presented, it is the illustrations in
this volume which capture the imagination; the ancient yew in
Caerwent churchyard, the wonderfully time-worn Celtic cross at Paul
Churchyard near Penzance, the sunset at Culross, legendary birthplace
of St Kentigern of Scotland, all give testimony to the strength of
the Celtic church in the years following the departure of the Romans
from Britain.
(Sutton Publishing, ISBN 0-7509-2686-4, pp216, Stg20.00)

WORLD OF HIBERNIA - AUTUMN 2001
- - Comedian Tommy Tiernan, riches beneath the seas, the Irish-American
presidents and 75 years of Irish Radio all feature in this latest
edition of the World of Hibernia. Ireland's latest singing
sensation, Samantha Mumba, adorns the front cover and is interviewed
by Tony Clayton-Lea, John Herriott's photography records the sites of
The Last Armada, and readers can enjoy an excerpt from P.J. Devlin's
memoir of growing up in Donegal, "That Was The Way Of It".
(spbhibernia[at]eircom.net, ISSN 1085-9616, pp178, IR4.95)

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Forwarded for information...

Celeste Ray. _Highland Heritage: Scottish Americans in the American
South_. Chapel Hill and London: University of North Carolina Press,
2001. xix + 256 pp. Illustrations, maps, notes, bibliography, and
index. $16.95 (paper), ISBN 0-8078-4913-8.

Reviewed for H-South by Margaret Sankey ,
Department of History, Auburn University

Living and Remembering a Constructed Past: Southerners and Highland
Games

My parents used to live next door to a family, who, despite a very
German surname, were aggressively and professionally Scottish, to
the extent that at any given time, one of their five children was
taking bagpipe lessons, and they could be counted on to turn out for
any parade or civic event in full Highland regalia. Celeste Ray, an
anthropologist at the University of the South, has produced an
explanation and an examination of this phenomena, particularly as it
is experienced in the southern United States. Based largely on her
interviews and observations at a number of regional Highland Games,
Ray has produced a fascinating account of a comparatively modern
(post WWII) movement amongst Scottish Americans to construct a
heritage. Interestingly, this is one in which recent changes in
gender roles and family structure are replaced by a highly
militarized and male-dominated culture.

This new "Highland Heritage" is an eclectic blend of Highland and
Lowland Scottish traditions, melding the lowland "Burns' Supper"
with Highland attire and, strangely, the lowland religion
(Presbyterianism). In many ways, this syncretic approach smoothes
over the potential historical and cultural fault lines among
Scottish Americans, including differences in dates of emigration,
the awkwardness of Scottish loyalism in the American Revolution, and
the distinctive feuds between opposition groups in Scotland.
Because this movement is so centered on mid-eighteenth century
Jacobite traditions, it helps in forgetting that Scots killed Scots
at Culloden in support of the British government. Ray makes the
point that the British government, in recruiting and then
deliberately "costuming" its Scottish soldiers as Highlanders,
originated the process being used by modern Scottish-Americans now.
At the same time, during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth
centuries, Sir Walter Scott and the Romantic movement popularized
Scotland and Queen Victoria's Balmoral legitimized it.

Because this is a selective process, what is left out of the new
traditions is as meaningful as what is included. Women other than
Flora McDonald (popular because of her strong association with North
Carolia) are not included in the pantheon of Jacobite heroes, even
though Lady Nithsdale, "Col." Anne Farquharson and Margaret Panmure
played important and dramatically appealing roles in the rebellions.
Irish and English Jacobitism is totally ignored, as are the
rebellions of 1688, 1715 and 1719, in favor of the 1745. Many of
the most enjoyed events, like the "kirkin' of the tartan" are
documented to be twentieth century traditions, but have developed
historical stories claiming ancient origins, a process that is
closely examined by Ray.

In a valuable comparison, Ray also includes heritage festivals in
Scotland, and the relationship between the two groups. While
Scottish festivals remain divided by class, and are largely an
exclusive, not inclusive movement, Americans (many of whom refine
their own festivals after visiting Scottish ones) pattern them as
inclusive, classless, family-reunion affairs, while at the same
time, welcoming Scottish clan chiefs and descendants of historical
figures as celebrities. She also devotes some time in studying the
recruitment of American tourists by Scotland, and their behavior
while there, which reminded me distinctly of the conversation I had
in Edinburgh with the Pakistani proprietor of a tourist shop, who
declared that Braveheart T-shirts were a gift from god.

Perhaps most interesting for this list, Ray finds that southern
Americans are particularly attuned to the "Highland Heritage," with
its parallel themes of a lost cause, chivalry, heroes, and a
recreation of a "Technicolor" past in which things were "the way
they ought to be." In embracing a Scottish antebellum history, many
Americans can enjoy it, without the baggage of slavery, Jim Crow or
Reconstruction, except as a connection to the depredations suffered
by Scottish ancestors, oppression after the defeat at Culloden, the
banning of the pipes and tartan, and exile to America. Stunningly,
Ray reported that many participants had not thought there was any
possible racial connection to be drawn from the use of the
traditional "fiery cross" lit at Highland games.

Ray is very frank about the irony inherent in this movement, from
the situation in which American tourist dollars pay for the upkeep
of castles, whose eighteenth century owners' demands probably pushed
Scots into leaving, while much that is regarded as "traditional" was
invented by English landowners in the Victorian Scotticizing period
of the nineteenth century. Much of this material asks for further
development in more detail, especially a few tantalizing ideas at
the end of the book--how do movies like _Braveheart_ and _Rob Roy_
change the way in which this movement operates? How will Scottish
devolution effect the way in which Scotland relates to American
tourists? What will the younger generation, interested in the
competitive aspects of Highland games, make of it as they assume
more control? How much influence will the "Celtic fringe" of Viking
and Gael re-enactors have in the future, especially in confronting
the conservative religious aspects of the movement?

There is only one minor problem with this book, and it is with the
author's background research in Jacobitism. The bibliography would
benefit tremendously from historical works on Jacobites,
particularly studies like Paul Monod's on the material culture of
Jacobitism, which would form a useful counterpoint to modern
practices. This weakness shows in minor mistakes, like stating that
it was the 1707 Act of Union which barred Catholics from the throne
(it was the 1701 Act of Succession) or that George IV's grandfather
was George II (it was Frederick, Prince of Wales, son of George II),
and that Braemar celebrates the Battle of Sheriffmuir, when it
instead was the signal to begin the rising in 1715, months before
the battle.

Ray's book is a helpful insight into the behavior of modern
Americans, as they search for a heritage and a community,
particularly one in tune with a parallel heritage of being southern.
Being able to track and examine new historical mythology as it
occurs, as in the evolving heritage of the haggis toss, informs the
entire process of memory and community traditions. As a textbook,
this would be a thought-provoking and enjoyable addition to local
history, oral history, and ethnic history syllabi, as well as those
in anthropology and sociology.

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From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Reformations 2

I'm no medievalist, Carmel, but my impression was that the 12th
century Reformation had only a limited impact. Certainly the dioceses
and archdioceses were established. But the Cistercians, who were
introduced by Malachy and Bernard in the 1140s to revitalise the
Irish church, were being criticised for conforming to Irish ways as
early as the 1220s - and they continued to do so. Also the Papacy
didn't seem to exercise much control in the 14th and 15th centuries,
understandably given its own problems at the time. What seemed more
important to me in the 12th century was the Norman invasion and the
division of the church into a Norman church and an Irish church. I
have the following on the topic, although admittedly they're all a
bit old now, and have relied on them for information - plus of course
Art Cosgrove's medieval volume for the 'New History of Ireland':

J.A. Watt, 'The Church and the Two Nations in Medieval Ireland',
Cambridge, 1970
- --- 'The Church in Medieval Ireland', Dublin, 1972
Aubrey Gwynn, 'The Twelth-Century Reformation', Dublin, 1968

Perhaps there's something new and major available that takes a
different approach. Any medieval church historians out there who know?

Also Nick Canny seems to think that the BIGGEST change in Irish
Christianity actually happened in the 19th century - ie what Larkin's
called the 'Devotional Revolution'. If I had to nominate critical
centuries I would certainly include the 12th, but also the 16th and
19th - and naturally the 5th - with a question mark against the 21st:
the demise of Irish Christianity???

Elizabeth


>From: McCaffrey
>Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish Reformations
>
>How about the big one. The twelfth century reformation which ended the
>Irish
>monastic way of life and attempted to put the Irish church directly under
>the
>Papacy. Probably was the most significant change in Irish Christianity.
>Carmel McC
>
>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > From: Elizabeth Malcolm
> > Subject: Irish Reformations
> >
> > I am lecturing on the topic this week and next. I'd recommend the
> > following in no particular order:
> >
> > S.A. Meigs, 'The Reformations in Ireland...1400-1690', Dublin, 1997
> > Alan Ford (ed.), 'The Protestant Reformation in Ireland, 1590-1641,
> > Dublin, 1997
> > Brendan Bradshaw, 'The Dissolution of the Religious Orders in Ireland
> > under Henry VIII', Cambridge, 1974
> > --- 'Sword, Word and Strategy in the Reformation in Ireland',
> > Historical Journal, 21 (1978)
> > N. Canny, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl. of
> > Ecclesiastical History, 30 (1979)
> > K. Bottigheimer, 'The Failure of the Reformation in Ireland...', Jnl.
> > of Ecclesiastical History, 36 (1985)
> > P.J. Corish (ed), 'A History of Irish Catholicism. Volume 3: First
> > Impact of the Reformation; The Counter Reformation', Dublin, 1967
> > --- 'The Catholic Community in the 17th and 18th Centuries', Dublin,
1981
> > John Bossy, 'The Counter Reformation and the People of Catholic
> > Ireland', Historical Studies, 8 (1971)
> >
> > I'd also point out that there actually 2 reformations in Ireland in
> > the 16th/17th centuries: a Protestant one and a Catholic Counter
> > Reformation.
> >
> > Elizabeth Malcolm
> >
> > Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
> > Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
> > Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
> > University of Melbourne
> > Parkville, Victoria, 3010
> > AUSTRALIA

Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010
AUSTRALIA