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From: Eileen A Sullivan Elizabeth You saved me much time with your notice on Fr Mathew for the Enc. I am reading all about him at the moment. Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332 3690 6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail : eolas1[at]juno.com Gainesville, FL 32653 | |
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?Hannah Sheehy Skeffington: Life of a Revolutionary? A lecture by Micheline Sheehy Skeffington October 18th, 2001, 7:00-8:30 p.m New College Cultural Center San Francisco USA Micheline Sheehy Skeffington, Professor of Ecology at NUI, Galway and granddaughter of Hannah Sheehy Skeffington, will lecture about her grandmother?s legendary contributions to the struggles for justice both within Ireland and in a global context. As a Feminist who was Republican in her Irish politics and Socialist in her economic politics, Hannah Sheehy Skeffington was a trailblazer at a time when espousing any one of these causes was revolutionary. She was jailed in Ireland and the U.S. for her actions in support of both Irish women?s suffrage and Tom Mooney, falsely accused of a San Francisco parade bombing. As the first Irish nationalist woman to go on a successful lecture tour of the U.S., Hannah Sheehy Skeffington is an essential link in understanding the means by which Ireland ?s struggles for equality and justice became connected to those in the United States. ?Hannah Sheehy Skeffington: Life of a Revolutionary? A lecture by Micheline Sheehy Skeffington October 18th, 2001, 7:00-8:30 p.m New College Cultural Center San Francisco USA | |
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Richard Jensen | |
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Subject: Fw: Wegge on Wokeck, _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass Migration to North America_ Marianne S. Wokeck, _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass Migration to North America_. University Park, PA: Pennsylvania State University Press, 1999. xxx + 319 pp. $60.00 (cloth), ISBN: 0-271-01832-1; $21.50 (paper), ISBN: 0-271-01833-X. Reviewed for EH.NET by Simone A. Wegge, College of StatenIsland - City University of New York. _Trade in Strangers_ presents an in-depth account of two prominent migration movements to the British colonies in the eighteenth century, one from the southwest area of Germany and another from Ireland. Most of the book discusses the larger emigration of Germans from the Palatinate region to Philadelphia. A whole chapter, however, is devoted to the smaller emigration of Irish from the Ulster ports and from the southern area of Ireland, who also landed and presumably settled in the Delaware Valley region. This work contributes to our understanding of the nature of transactions in the business of overseas transportation of these emigrant groups. Wokeck's historiographical approach is a valuable one. Emigrants leaving from southwest Germany through Holland to the American colonies ventured through three distinct regions with three distinct languages. To tell this story, Wokeck has gathered evidence from primary sources scattered among various British, Canadian, Dutch, German, and American archives and libraries. Only a historian versed in the Dutch, English and German languages and armed with tenacity could accomplish such a carefully researched chronicle. Particularly in the case of the German emigrants, her account makes use of archival documents from the emigrants' homelands, the places through which they journeyed and finally the places in which they settled. Germans who made the audacious decision to leave their homeland were successful largely because of a transportation network that arose among ship owners and merchants in Rotterdam, London, and Pennsylvania. Ship owners in the business of transporting goods from the colonies to Europe were happy to find ways to charge for space on the return voyage, space that otherwise would have been empty. Irish emigrants seem to have had an easier time of migrating than these Germans, because they lived close to ports and thus existing information and trade networks between Ireland and North America -- "no new transportation system had to be invented" (p. 218). Further, a more direct trade network between Irish merchants and businesspeople all over the colonies provided a wider variety of destination choices for the Irish, and resulted in an immigrant population much more spread out than the German immigrants who mostly ended up in Pennsylvania. One of the main contributions of Wokeck's work is her vivid account of exactly how migrants moved from their homelands to ports and then to Pennsylvania. As fruit of an incredible amount of detective work, Wokeck provides all kinds of information on the voyages of the German and Irish emigrants bound for the colonies. Included are ship names, ship captains, merchants, tonnage, disembarkation port, and dates of departure and arrival. From this she estimates the likely number of emigrants who landed at various ports and argues persuasively that her new estimates of German and Irish immigrants to the British colonies are the most accurate. Even more interesting from an economic standpoint is what onelearns about the various business incentives and perspectives of all players involved, including passengers, ship captains, ship owners, middlemen, merchants in Holland, England and Pennsylvania, and established immigrants in Pennsylvania. Wokeck carefully explores the incentives of these participants in the trans-Atlantic passenger market. The details supplied pay off in the analysis of how contracts and trading methods evolved over time, some of which transferred risk from transportation providers to purchasers of indenture contracts or improved the welfare of passengers en route. Most immigrants arranged for travel with long-term players in the market. Wokeck has described many of these businesses in detailand accounted for their share of the market. There were many short-term transportation providers, mostly businesspeople who tried it once and who were more than happy to make off with as much money from the emigrants as possible. Those in the business of shipping passengers for the long term, usually businesspeople with large interests in the business of importing and exporting goods, had reputations they wanted to protect. Such individuals and firms tended to have a greater incentive to make sure that the emigrants' experiences were successful, particularly when their profits were tied to the money from indentured servitude contracts. Over time, more and more emigrants showed up in Rotterdam and in Irish ports without the cash resources to pay for their passage. Credit arrangements evolved to provide the financing such that emigrants could arrange to pay outstanding balances upon arrival in the British colonies. Emigrants then used various methods, selling goods from Europe, using money from a relative or friend at the destination or selling the rights to their labor for a specified amount of time. Wokeck's work helps us to understand the self-selection aspects of emigrants, how the early waves were a different subset of the general population than the later waves. In the early decades of the German emigration, most left in family groups and paid the transportation costs with personal funds. Gradually, more Germans left without family members and also without the financial resources to pay the transportation costs. Irish emigrant cohorts changed over time in similar ways. Overall, however, Irish emigrants were more likely than German emigrants were to finance the trip up front. Contract prices differed, depending on gender, nationality and skill. Here a reference to other work in the literature on the econometric and multivariate analysis of indenture values would have been useful. Interesting work typically provokes new questions and in turn suggests new projects for future research. I describe here just two examples. Wokeck's findings suggest that successive emigrant cohorts relied increasingly on previous migrants in the colonies who were family members or friends. More people moved to North America once family and friends who could help finance the move existed at the destination. This suggests that chain migration effects were important in generating more migration and helping the later arrivals to afford it. An issue for future consideration would be to show this more specifically by demonstrating numerous links between old and new immigrants as a percentage of all immigrants. It is important because the explanation of financing for many immigrants, namely through reliance on family and friends, rests on the assumption that many family connections existed between new and old immigrants. Secondly, and at the risk of asking that Wokeck's work be all things to all people, I believe that the author could have incorporated more of the recent research on eighteenth century labor contracts. In particular, readers would have welcomed more discussion from Wokeck about where she stands on the debate concerning the demise in the early nineteenth century of the indentured servitude contract. Rightly so, as Wokeck explains, the institution of prepaid tickets was a typical way to pay for overseas migration in the nineteenth century. Migration scholars, however, are more confident of this for the latter part of the century, especially in regards to German emigrant populations. It would also help readers to appreciate more fully Wokeck's argument that nineteenth century migration institutions were similar to those developed in the eighteenth century. _Trade in Strangers_ introduces many new findings on the migration of Germans and Irish from Europe to the British colonies. In particular, carefully researched emigration flow series are presented. From her microeconomic analysis of the market for overseas transportation we learn a great deal about the nature of various contracts used by emigrants to achieve their migration goals. Wokeck's work is an important contribution to the literature and valuable reading for anyone doing research in similar areas. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Simone A. Wegge's research focuses on migration decisions in nineteenth century European migration. Her recent work includes "Chain Migration and Information Networks: Evidence from Nineteenth-Century Hesse-Cassel," _Journal of Economic History_, 1998); and "To Part or Not to Part: Emigration and Inheritance Institutions in Mid-Nineteenth Century Germany," _Explorations in Economic History_, 1999); as well as a chapter on female migrants in _Women, Gender and Labour Migration: Historical and Global Perspectives_, edited by Pamela Sharpe (Routledge, 2001). Published by EH.NET (October 2001) Copyright (c) 2001 by EH.Net. All rights reserved. This work may be copied for non-profit educational uses if proper credit is given to the author and the list. 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Subject: Fw: Wegge on Wokeck, _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass Migration to North America_ Marianne S. Wokeck, _Trade in Strangers: The Beginnings of Mass Migration to North America_. University Park, PA: Pennsylvania State University Press, 1999. xxx + 319 pp. $60.00 (cloth), ISBN: 0-271-01832-1; $21.50 (paper), ISBN: 0-271-01833-X. Reviewed for EH.NET by Simone A. Wegge, College of StatenIsland - City University of New York. _Trade in Strangers_ presents an in-depth account of twoprominent migration movements to the British colonies in the eighteenth century, one from the southwest area of Germany and another from Ireland. Most of the book discusses the larger emigration ofGermans from the Palatinate region to Philadelphia. A whole chapter,however, is devoted to the smaller emigration of Irish from the Ulster ports and from the southern area of Ireland, who also landed and presumably settled in the Delaware Valley region. This work contributes to our understanding of the nature of transactions in the business of overseas transportation of these emigrant groups. Wokeck's historiographical approach is a valuable one. Emigrants leaving from southwest Germany through Holland to the American colonies ventured through three distinct regions with three distinct languages. To tell this story, Wokeck has gathered evidence from primary sources scattered among various British, Canadian, Dutch, German, and American archives and libraries. Only a historian versed in the Dutch, English and German languages and armed with tenacity could accomplish such a carefully researched chronicle. Particularly in the case of the German emigrants, her account makes use of archival documents from the emigrants' homelands, the places through which they journeyed and finally the places in which they settled. Germans who made the audacious decision to leave their homeland were successful largely because of a transportation network that arose among ship owners and merchants in Rotterdam, London, and Pennsylvania. Ship owners in the business of transporting goods from the colonies to Europe were happy to find ways to charge for space on the return voyage, space that otherwise would have been empty. Irish emigrants seem to have had an easier time of migrating than these Germans, because they lived close to ports and thus existing information and trade networks between Ireland and North America -- "no new transportation system had to be invented" (p. 218). Further, a more direct trade network between Irish merchants and businesspeople all over the colonies provided a wider variety of destination choices for the Irish, and resulted in an immigrant population much more spread out than the German immigrants who mostly ended up in Pennsylvania. One of the main contributions of Wokeck's work is her vivid account of exactly how migrants moved from their homelands to ports and then to Pennsylvania. As fruit of an incredible amount of detective work, Wokeck provides all kinds of information on the voyages of the German and Irish emigrants bound for the colonies. Included are ship names, ship captains, merchants, tonnage, disembarkation port, and dates of departure and arrival. From this she estimates the likely number of emigrants who landed at various ports and argues persuasively that her new estimates of German and Irish immigrants to the British colonies are the most accurate. Even more interesting from an economic standpoint is what onelearns about the various business incentives and perspectives of all players involved, including passengers, ship captains, ship owners, middlemen, merchants in Holland, England and Pennsylvania, and established immigrants in Pennsylvania. Wokeck carefully explores the incentives of these participants in the trans-Atlantic passenger market. The details supplied pay off in the analysis of how contracts and trading methods evolved over time, some of which transferred risk from transportation providers to purchasers of indenture contracts or improved the welfare of passengers en route. Most immigrants arranged for travel with long-term players in the market. Wokeck has described many of these businesses in detailand accounted for their share of the market. There were many short-term transportation providers, mostly businesspeople who tried it once and who were more than happy to make off with as much money from the emigrants as possible. Those in the business of shipping passengers for the long term, usually businesspeople with large interests in the business of importing and exporting goods, had reputations they wanted to protect. Such individuals and firms tended to have a greater incentive to make sure that the emigrants' experiences were successful, particularly when their profits were tied to the money from indentured servitude contracts. Over time, more and more emigrants showed up in Rotterdam and in Irish ports without the cash resources to pay for their passage. Credit arrangements evolved to provide the financing such that emigrants could arrange to pay outstanding balances upon arrival in the British colonies. Emigrants then used various methods, selling goods from Europe, using money from a relative or friend at the destination or selling the rights to their labor for a specified amount of time. Wokeck's work helps us to understand the self-selection aspects of emigrants, how the early waves were a different subset of the general population than the later waves. In the early decades of the German emigration, most left in family groups and paid the transportation costs with personal funds. Gradually, more Germans left without family members and also without the financial resources to pay the transportation costs. Irish emigrant cohorts changed over time in similar ways. Overall, however, Irish emigrants were more likely than German emigrants were to finance the trip up front. Contract prices differed, depending on gender, nationality and skill. Here a reference to other work in the literature on the econometric and multivariate analysis of indenture values would have been useful. Interesting work typically provokes new questions and in turn suggests new projects for future research. I describe here just two examples. Wokeck's findings suggest that successive emigrant cohorts relied increasingly on previous migrants in the colonies who were family members or friends. More people moved to North America once family and friends who could help finance the move existed at the destination. This suggests that chain migration effects were important in generating more migration and helping the later arrivals to afford it. An issue for future consideration would be to show this more specifically by demonstrating numerous links between old and new immigrants as a percentage of all immigrants. It is important because the explanation of financing for many immigrants, namely through reliance on family and friends, rests on the assumption that many family connections existed between new and old immigrants. Secondly, and at the risk of asking that Wokeck's work be all things to all people, I believe that the author could have incorporated more of the recent research on eighteenth century labor contracts. In particular, readers would have welcomed more discussion from Wokeck about where she stands on the debate concerning the demise in the early nineteenth century of the indentured servitude contract. Rightly so, as Wokeck explains, the institution of prepaid tickets was a typical way to pay for overseas migration in the nineteenth century. Migration scholars, however, are more confident of this for the latter part of the century, especially in regards to German emigrant populations. It would also help readers to appreciate more fully Wokeck's argument that nineteenth century migration institutions were similar to those developed in the eighteenth century. _Trade in Strangers_ introduces many new findings on the migration of Germans and Irish from Europe to the British colonies. In particular, carefully researched emigration flow series are presented. From her microeconomic analysis of the market for overseas transportation we learn a great deal about the nature of various contracts used by emigrants to achieve their migration goals. Wokeck's work is an important contribution to the literature and valuable reading for anyone doing research in similar areas. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Simone A. Wegge's research focuses on migration decisions in nineteenth century European migration. Her recent work includes "Chain Migration and Information Networks: Evidence from Nineteenth-Century Hesse-Cassel," _Journal of Economic History_, 1998); and "To Part or Not to Part: Emigration and Inheritance Institutions in Mid-Nineteenth Century Germany," _Explorations in Economic History_, 1999); as well as a chapter on female migrants in _Women, Gender and Labour Migration: Historical and Global Perspectives_, edited by Pamela Sharpe (Routledge, 2001). Published by EH.NET (October 2001) Copyright (c) 2001 by EH.Net. All rights reserved. This work may be copied for non-profit educational uses if proper credit is given to the author and the list. For other permission, please contact the EH.Net Administrator (administrator[at]eh.net; Telephone: 513-529-2850; Fax: 513-529-3308). Published by EH.Net (October 2001). All EH.Net reviews are archived at http://www.eh.net/BookReview | |
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From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Our attention has been drawn to the following item... (I could not bear to repeat the spelling error in our own subject line. Below is the text as it reached us - and, yes, it does seem that The Irish Times does not know how to spell 'existent'...) P.O'S. THE IRISH TIMES Monday, October 08, 2001 'Ireland of the welcomes' non existant By Patsy Mc Garry, Religious Affairs Correspondent The president of the Irish Missionary Union, Father Tommy Murphy, has said "Ireland of the Welcomes" no longer exists. Speaking at the "Festival of Mission", which ended in the RDS Dublin yesterday, he said "we are at a crucial stage in Irish history, which is either to include all cultures into society or to continue the segregation of different ethnic communities and therefore dismiss them to live on the social and economic fringes of Irish society". Father Murphy continued: "Irish people, more than any other race, should recognise the need to create an environment of inclusion rather than exclusion, given the generations of Irish emigrants who have contributed both socially and economically to countries throughout the world. "We as a nation need to recognise the advantages of welcoming people of various racial backgrounds who come to live, work and make their home here. "It is time that Irish people accepted that Ireland is becoming a multicultural society. People are choosing to come to Ireland because of the life that it offers them, and we must give them the chance to build that life," he said. "One of the lessons missionaries have learned, is that there is no need to be afraid of difference, it can benefit all of us", he said. The festival took place over four days and highlighted the needs and experiences of migrants and minorities in Ireland, with contributions from the experience of Irish missionaries abroad. The Irish Missionary Union (IMU) was established in 1970 to co-ordinate missionary efforts at home and abroad. It represents 73 Catholic missionary groups, religious and lay, which have personnel overseas. At the moment there are almost 3,000 Irish Catholic missionaries working in 93 countries throughout Africa, Asia, Oceania, Latin America and the Caribbean. The IMU provides training, research and networking for missionaries. It works in conjunction with the Irish Bishops' Commission for Missions as well as with the Government, APSO and Ireland Aid, on financial support for development and justice, and in the placement of volunteers | |
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oliver@doyle-marshall.demon.co.uk | |
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Subject: Re: Ir-D Pictures of New York, 1860s Dear IR-D List members, Can any of you suggest where (books, galleries/museums, websites) I should look for pictures of New York City in the 1860s? The ideal would be paintings, prints or photos depicting scenes representing the Irish poor late in the decade, but other images might serve. Are there any noted artists or photographers whose work I should look at? Many thanks for any ideas. Oliver Marshall Centre for Brazilian Studies University of Oxford | |
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Subject: Ir-D Brazil in Irish archives Dear IR-D List members: I'm quite far advanced in compiling a guide "Brazil in British and Irish Archives". The bulk of the guide will be devoted to material in the Public Record Office and the British Library, but I'm being careful to include collections beyond the usual (in fact I'll be able to claim that coverage will extend from Cornwall to the Shetland Islands). I'm certainly not expecting much from archives in Ireland, but there should be some relevant material scattered about - enough, I hope, to justify a little trip early next year. Apart from the Casement collection at the NLI, does anyone have any ideas? An obvious diaspora angle would be material relating to Irish missionaries in Brazil: I've been through the "Directory of Irish Archives" and nothing leaps out as an obvious location. Has anyone worked on the history of Irish missionary activity in Latin America who it might be worth approaching for advice? Again, many thanks for possible leads. Oliver Marshall Centre for Brazilian Studies University of Oxford | |
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Elizabeth Malcolm | |
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Subject: Re: Ir-D Alcohol and Temperance 3 Which entry, Eileen? I'm actually in the middle of writing one at the moment. Also what books are you reading? I don't think there's any very satisfactory one on Mathew. A lot more work could be done on him and on his crusade, but I doubt I have the time to do it. Anyway, I said a fair amount about him in 'Ireland Sober, Ireland Free' nearly 20 years ago. Perhaps someone new should have a go. Elizabeth >Subject: Re: Ir-D Alcohol and Temperance 2 >From: Eileen A Sullivan > >Elizabeth > >You saved me much time with your notice on Fr Mathew for the Enc. > >I am reading all about him at the moment. > > >Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director >The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332 >3690 >6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail : >eolas1[at]juno.com >Gainesville, FL 32653 Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924 Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894 Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au University of Melbourne Parkville, Victoria, 3010 AUSTRALIA | |
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The Five Points site might have something... http://199.75.180.203/fivept/fphome.htm Also the Boondocks site http://www.boondocksnet.com/index.html (Where you will also find this Ambrose Bierce definition... IMMIGRANT, n. An unenlightened person who thinks one country better than another.) Gaelic Gotham: A History of the Irish in New York http://www.mcny.org/irish.htm Another route is to go to a Search Engine that allows a specific search for Images or Pictures - such as Google or Altavista, and see what comes up. Such searches often take you into online print collections and art galleries. P.O'S. - -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net Personal Fax National 0709 236 9050 Fax International +44 709 236 9050 Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire - -----Original Message----- From: oliver[at]doyle-marshall.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Ir-D Pictures of New York, 1860s Dear IR-D List members, Can any of you suggest where (books, galleries/museums, websites) I should look for pictures of New York City in the 1860s? The ideal would be paintings, prints or photos depicting scenes representing the Irish poor late in the decade, but other images might serve. Are there any noted artists or photographers whose work I should look at? Many thanks for any ideas. Oliver Marshall Centre for Brazilian Studies University of Oxford | |
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Working Class Movement Library enquiries[at]wcml.org.uk Subject: student Open Day at WCML Please help us by circulating this notice to students that you think might like to come along. The Working Class Movement Library is holding an Open Day for students on Sunday 4th November, 2pm to 5pm. The WCML is a unique collection on the history of the British and Irish labour movements founded in the mid 1950s by Ruth and Edmund Frow and based, since 1987, in a former nurses home at 51 Crescent, Salford. The collection includes books, pamphlets, newspapers, prints, journals, photographs, banners, videos and much more. It covers the period from the late C18th right up to today's anti-globalisation movements. Students coming along on the day will be able to go on a tour of the library and see some of the many thousands of items. There will be suitable refreshments available for free. More information on 0161-736-3601.Email; enquiries[at]wcml.org.uk. The library website is at www.wcml.org.uk. | |
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Ir-D Pictures of New York, 1860s 3 | |
Richard Jensen | |
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Subject: Re: Ir-D Pictures of New York, 1860s 2 don't miss Jacob Riis How the Other Half Lives (1890) = great pictures from 1880s NYC: http://www.cis.yale.edu/amstud/inforev/riis/illustrations.html numerous full text book and magazines -- with illustrations--online at Cornell and Michigan MOA stites: http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/index.html and http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/moa_adv.html these can be searched and are an amazing resource also see very rich textual (no pictures) detail in NY Times: online complete for the 1860-65 period at http://nyt.ulib.org/read.cgi?type=contents | |
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Ir-D CFP New Voices Conference, Dublin | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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Forwarded on behalf of... Ronan Kelly and Fionnuala Dillane New Voices Conference 2002 School of English Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland newvoices2002[at]tcd.ie CALL FOR PAPERS Since its inception in 1999 the New Voices Conference has established itself as an important international forum for emerging Irish Studies critics. The conference is aimed at scholars at an advanced stage of their doctoral research. In 2002 it will be held at Trinity College, Dublin. The New Voices Conference is intended to be inter-disciplinary. Papers are invited in the areas of literature, history, film, theatre, visual arts, anthropology, music, cultural studies, and new media. Cuirfear fáilte freisin roimh pháipéir trí Ghaeilge. Comparative papers from those working in areas outside of Irish studies are particularly encouraged. Subjects for debate will include the following: Ireland and Europe Biography and Historiography Emblems and Iconographies Publishers, Reviewers, and the 'Little Magazine' Suggestions for other panels are most welcome. The Conference will take place in the Samuel Beckett Theatre, 1-3 February 2002. Papers should be 15 - 20 mins. Proposals are due by Monday, 19 November 2001 Max: 300 words. Please send your proposals and any queries to: Ronan Kelly and Fionnuala Dillane New Voices Conference 2002 School of English Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland newvoices2002[at]tcd.ie | |
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Ir-D ESHSI CONFERENCE, DUBLIN: People on the Move | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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There is basic information about The Economic and Social History Society of Ireland at http://eh.net/eshsi/ The theme of the Society's Conference this year is People on the Move and, of course, the Conference is of special interest to Irish-Diaspora studies. As ever we will try to obtain a conference report for the Ir-D membership. I have pasted in below full information about the Conference, kindly forwarded to us by Mary E. Daly, the Conference Organiser. Please circulate widely... P.O'S. Mary E. Daly Subject: People on the Move ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL HISTORY SOCIETY OF IRELAND Annual Conference Friday 23/24 November 2001 Hosted by the Royal Irish Academy at Academy House, 19 Dawson St. Dublin. People on the Move Friday 23 November :12.30-2 p.m. Registration 2-3.45 p.m The Wild Geese: Dr. Ciaran Brady Dr, Declan Downey & Dr Colm O Conaill, (Trinity College Dublin, and University College Dublin), ?Irish Mercenary Movement 1600-1775: The TCD/CISS Database? Dr. Marion Lyons, St Patrick?s College, Drumcondra, 'Irish migrant cultures in late sixteenth and seventeenth-century Europe' 3.45 p.m. coffee. 4.15 p.m. The Connell Lecture. Professor Bob Allen, Nuffield College Oxford, ?Progress and Poverty in Early-Modern Europe?. 5.30 p.m. Reception. 7.30 p.m. Conference Dinner. Kildare St and University Club. Saturday 20 November: 9.30 ?11 a.m. Emigration Dr. Enda Delany, Queen?s University Belfast,? Emigration, Networks and Social Structure in Postwar Ireland?. ? Dr. Lindsey Earner-Byrne, University College Dublin, ?Pregnant from Ireland? : Church and state and Irish unmarried mothers in Britain. 11.00-11.15 Coffee. 11.15 Research Students Panel. Deirdre Bryan Boston College, ?Irish women missionaries in British West Africa?. Catherine Cox, University College Dublin, ?'Matters Mad: The Mission to Create an Asylum System in 19th century Carlow'. Jason Begley, University of Limerick: the response of Limerick businesses to the economic conditions in the 1930s. 12.30 AGM 2.p.m. Tourism: Prof. Alastair Durie, Glasgow University, 'A country as absolutely unknown...as if it were in the backwoods of America' Ireland as a tourist destination in the nineteenth century Mary Davies, ??The Brighton of Ireland? ? Bray, Co. Wicklow, 1770-1970. Irene Furlong, 'Céad Míle Fáilte? State promotion of tourism in independent Ireland 1925-1955'. Michael Kennedy, RIA: Documents in Irish Foreign Policy, ?Aer Lingus, Pan-Am and the Dublin Rights Issue: tourism, aviation and Irish-American relations: 1966 ? 1973? Conference Organiser: Professor Mary E. Daly, Dept. Modern Irish History, University College Dublin 4. Tel 01-7168117 Fax 01- 7168602 e-mail maryed[at]indigo.ie Registration: Ir£25, (students and unwaged Ir £5); Conference Dinner Ir £32. Please make cheques payable to ESHSI Conference Accommodation A brief list of B and Bs and hotels is given below... List of Hotels and B and B?s Jury?s Christchurch Inn, Christchurch Place, Tel (01) 454000. Fax 01-454000. Email: info[at]jurys.com Holiday Inn, 99-107 Pearse St. Dublin 2. Tel (01) 6703666; Tax (01) 6703636 Email: info[at]holidayinndublin.ie Mount Herbert Hotel, Herbert Road, Lansdowne Road. Dublin 4. Tel (01) 6684321 Fax (01) 6607077 Email: info[at]mountherberthotel.ie Linaveagh House 73 Anglesea Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4. Tel (01) 6608867 Fax (01) 6671047 Lansdowne Manor, 46-48 Lansdowne Road, Dublin 4. Tel (01) 6688848; Fax (01) 6688873. Ashley Lodge, Herbert Park, Donnybrook, Dublin 4. Tel (01) 6684405; Fax (01) 6672675 | |
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Ir-D IRISH LANGUAGE SYMPOSIUM, GLUCKSMAN IRELAND HOUSE, NY | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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Forwarded on behalf of Eileen Reilly eileen.reilly[at]nyu.edu > Subject: Irish Language Symposium > > > > IRISH LANGUAGE SYMPOSIUM AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY?S > GLUCKSMAN IRELAND HOUSE > > > The Irish studies program at New York University will be hosting a one-day > symposium on the Irish language, entitled ?Éigse Nua Eabhrac?An Teanga > Bheo,? (?The New York Conference on the Living Language?) on Saturday, > November 3rd, from 10 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., with a theatrical performance and > reception to follow in the evening. > The symposium is organized by Pádraig Ó Cearúill, Irish language > lecturer at > New York University, and will feature a plenary address by Lillis > Ó Laoire, > award-winning sean nós singer and renowned scholar from the Department of > Languages and Cultural Studies, University of Limerick, entitled, ??The > People Are Not as Warm to Each Other as They Were?: Aspects of the > Metaphorical World View of Irish.? Panelists include Barra Ó Donnabháin, > Máire ní Bhaoill, Hillary Bn mhic Suibhne, Jen Dewan, Éilís Bn uí > Rathaile, > and Veve Lelé, who will present papers exploring the contemporary state of > the Irish language and the rich, cross-cultural linguistic ties between > Ireland and the United States. The papers will be delivered in Irish with > accompanying English translations provided. The symposium will conclude > with a one-man play by Mac Dara Mac Uibh Aille and a reception featuring a > sean nós session by Lillis Ó Laoire. > All of the events will take place at Glucksman Ireland House, > located at One > Washington Mews, with an entrance on Fifth Avenue, just a half > block up from > Washington Square Park. Admission is free. For more information, contact > Glucksman Ireland House at (212) 627-3451 or ireland.house[at]nyu.edu. > ************ > Dr. Eileen Reilly > Associate Director > Glucksman Ireland House > New York University > > Tel: 212 998-3951 > Fax: 212 995-4373 > > | |
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Ir-D Irish Economic and Social History VOL. XXVIII 2001 | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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There is basic information about The Economic and Social History Society of Ireland at http://eh.net/eshsi/ and about the Society's journal - Irish Economic and Social History The latest issue is now being distributed. We have scanned and pasted in below the full list of Contents, including the list of book reviews. We thought this worth the effort, because there is so much here of interest to the Irish-Diaspora list - including many reviews of books written by members of the Ir-D list, and many reviews written by members... We do try to coax or capture such reviews for further distribution via the Ir-D list - the journals do not usually mind because it is free advertising. Is anyone going to volunteer their review for further distribution? - or must I coax? Of special interest, of course, is Enda Delaney's presentation of the reports of historian A. V. Judges on the recruitment and the work of Irish labourers in Britain, written for the Ministry of Labour in the late 1940s and looking back at the war years. As to the reviews... I think there are few members of the Irish-Diaspora list who will not note something of interest... For example, has Charles Orser noticed the review of Peter Francis's book on Irish Delftware?... P.O'S. IRISH ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL HISTORY VOL. XXVIII 2001 ARTICLES L. A. Clarkson: Irish Social History 1974-2000 and Beyond Neal Garnham: Football and National Identity in pre-Great War Ireland Raymond Ryan: The Butter Industry in Ireland 1922-1939 DOCUMENTS AND SOURCES Enda Delaney: Irish Migration to Britain, 1939-1945 ARCHIVES REPORT Brian Donnelly: National Archives: Survey of Business Records Public Record Office of Nord1ern Irdand: Recent Accessions of Interest to the Social and Economic Historian THESIS ABSTRACTS J.M. Monlliey: Encountering Colonialism: Gaelic-Irish Responses to New English Expansion in Early Modern West Tipperary, c. 1541-1641 Daniel M. Beaumont The Gentry of ilie King's and Q!.1een's Counties: Protestant Landed Society, 1690-1760 CharlesF1ynn: Dundalk 1900-1960: an Oral History Paul Rouse: Government and Agriculture in Irdand, 1945-65 BIBLIOGRAPHY Bernadette Cunningham and Raymond Gillespie: Select Bibliography of Writings on Irish Economic and Social History published in 2000 REVIEWS Terry Barry, A History of Settlement in Ireland. By Toby Barnard Mary Ann Lyons, Church and Society in County Kildare, c. 1470-1547. By Adrian Empey M. Pollard, A Dictionary of Members of the Dublin Book Trade 1550-1800. By Maire Kennedy Alan J. Fletcher, Drama, Performance and Polity in Pre-Cromwellian Ireland. By Raymond Gillespie Thomas O'Connor (ed.), The Irish in Europe, 1580-1815. By Patrick Fitzgerald Bernadette Cunningham, The World of Geoffrey Keating. By Tadhg O Dushlaine Kevin Sharpe, Reading Revolutions: the Politics of Reading in Early Modern England. By Raymond Gillespie John Silke, The Spanish Interventi1m in Ireland, Aidan Clarke, The Old English in Ireland, 1625-42,. J.G. Simms, Jacobite Ireland. By Padraig Lenihan Jane H. Ohlmeyer (ed.), Political Thought in Seventeenth-Century Ireland: Kingdom or Colony and SJ. Connolly (ed.), Political Ideas in Eighteenth-Century Ireland. By D. George Boyce Bernadette Cunningham and Maire Kennedy ( eds ), The Experience of Reading: Irish historical perspectives. By Alan Titley Philip O'Regan, Archbishop William King of Dublin (1650-1729) and the Constitution in Church and State; Charles Ivar McGrath, The Making of the Eighteenth-century Irish Constitution: government, parliament and the revenue, 1692-1714. By James Kelly T.O. McLoughlin, Contesting Ireland: Irish Voices against England in the Eighteenth Century. By Ian McBride Donald M. MacRaild, Irish Migrants in Modern Britain, 1750-1922; Roger Swift and Sheridan Gilley ( eds ), The Irish in Vldorian Britain: the Local Dimension. By David Fitzpatrick Elizabeth Fitzgerald, Lord Kildare's Grand Tour; 1766-1769. By CJ. Woods Jim Smith (ed.), Revolution, Counter-Revolution and Union: Ireland in the 1790s; Allan Blackstock, Double traitors?: the Belfast volunteers and yeoman 1778-1828. By James Kelly Andy Bielenberg (ed.), The Irish Diaspora. By Kevin Kenny Lyndon Fraser (ed.), A Distant Shore: Irish Migration and New Zea1o:nd Settlement. By Breda Gray Bernadette Whelan (ed.), Women and Paid Work in Ireland, 1500-1930. By Caitriona Clear Robert Sloan, William Smith O'Brien and the Young Ireland Rebellion of 1848. By Alan O'Day Peter Gray, Famine, Land and RJlitics. British Government and Irish Society; Cormac 6 Gcida, Black '47 and Beyond. The Great Irish Famine. By Mary E. Daly Liam Kennedy, Paul S. Ell, E. M. Crawford, L. A. Clarkson, Mapping the Great Irish Famine : A Survey of the Famine Decades. By David Fitzpatrick Hugh Dorian, The Outer Edge of Ulster; Brian Dornan, Mayo's Lost Islands: The Inishkeas. By Angela Bourke Richard Doherty and David Truesdale, Irish Wmners of the Victoria Cross. By P.F. Nowlan Bill Power, White Knights, Dark Earls: the Rise and Fall of an Anglo-Irish Dynasty. By Terence Dooley Thomas J. Morrissey S J , William J. Walsh: Archbishop of Dublin, 1841-1921. By Diarmaid Ferriter Bill McCamley, The Third James - JamesFearon, 1874-1925 -An Unsung Hero of Our Struggle; Anton McCabe, 'The Stormy Petrel of the Transport Workers': Peadar O'Donnell, Trade Unionist, 1917-1920 and Francis Devine, Navigating a Lone Channel: Stephen McGonagie, Trade Unionism and Labour Politics in Derry; Francis Devine (ed.), An Index to Saothar, Journal if the Irish Labour History Society and other ILHS Publicaiions, 1973-2000. By Padraig Lane Joanna Bourke, The Misfgit Soldier. Edward Casey's War Story, 1914-1918; Keith Jeffery, Ireland and the Great War. By Anne Dolan Michael Kennedy and Joseph Morrison Skelly (eds), Irish Foreign policy 1919-1966. From independence to Internationalism By Denise Dunne Michael Farry, Aftermath of Revolution: Sligo, 1921-23. By Marie Coleman Michael Kennedy, Division and Consensus: The Politics of Cross-Border Relations in Ireland, 1925-1969; Joseph Johnston, Civil War in Ulster: its objects and probable results, edited by Roy Johnston. By John Doyle Catriona Clear, Women of the House . Women's household work in Ireland, 1926-1961; Hdga Woggon, Silent Radical- Winifred Carney, 1887-1943: a reconstruction of her biography; Helga Woggon, Ellen Grimley (Nellie Gordon) - Reminiscences of her work with James Connolly in Belfast. By Brenda Collins Brian Girvin and Geoffrey Roberts (eds), Ireland and the Second World War: Politcs, Society and Remembrance. By Enda Delaney Bernadette Whelan, Ireland and the Marshall Plan, 1947-1957. By Denise Dunne Tomas O Crohan, The Islandman; Tomas O Crohan, Island Cross-Talk; Micheal O Guiheen, A Pity Youth Does Not Last; Robin Flower, The Western Island; Sean 0 Crohan, A Day in Our Life; Maurice O'Sullivan, Twenty Years A-Growing, Peig Sayers, An Old Woman's Reflections. By Diarmaid Ferriter Colin Rynne, The Industrial Archaeology of Cork City and its Environs. By Fintan Lane Brian Austen, Irish Furniture; Peter Francis, Irish Delftware: an illustrated history; Johnston Antiques, An exhibition o Irish Georgin Furniture. By Toby Barnard Ian Maxwell, Researching Aragh Ancestors: a Practical Guide for the Family and Local Histrian; ohn Dooher and Michael Kennedy (eds), The Fair River Valley: Strahane through the Ages. By Raymond Gillespie - -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net Personal Fax National 0709 236 9050 Fax International +44 709 236 9050 Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire England | |
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Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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Forwarded on behalf of... "Erin Pipkin" Subject: "An Irish Diaspora?" Boston Immigration and Urban History Seminar Boston Immigration and Urban History Seminar An Irish Diaspora? Kevin Kenny, Boston College The next session of our 2001?2002 season will take place at the Massachusetts Historical Society on Thursday, October 25, at 5:15 P.M. As usual, our session will revolve around the discussion of a precirculated paper. This month, we will discuss Kevin Kenny?s ?An Irish Diaspora?? Nathan Glazer of Harvard University will comment on the paper. Abstract: ?Almost ten million Irish people have emigrated to destinations around the world from 1700 to the present. How does one write their history? The most popular conceptual framework in recent years has been that of ?diaspora.? This paper will examine the various and sometimes contradictory meanings of ?diaspora? along with its usefulness or otherwise in writing Irish global history.? The Society will serve a light buffet supper following the session. Those wishing to stay and eat must contact Erin Pipkin by telephone at 617.646.0505 or by e-mail at epipkin[at]masshist.org before Wednesday, October 24, to make a reservation. Advance copies of Boston Immigration and Urban History Seminar papers for the year are available for $25.00 (total). If you would like to subscribe, please make your check payable to the Massachusetts Historical Society and send it to the attention of Erin Pipkin at the MHS, 1154 Boylston Street, Boston, MA, 02215. Participants may also find copies at several area institutions; contact Erin at the Society for details. Aside from the Boston Immigration and Urban History Seminar, the MHS also hosts the Boston Area Early American History Seminar, and the Boston Environmental History Seminar. If you would like to be added to the mailing list for any of these seminars, please send your mailing address, along with your e-mail address, to Jean Powers at jpowers[at]masshist.org. Please specify which seminars you are interested in. The Massachusetts Historical Society is located in the Back Bay at the corner of Boylston Street and the Fenway. The nearest subway stop is Hynes Convention Center/I.C.A. on the Green Line, two blocks from the Society near the corner of Massachusetts Avenue and Boylston Street. The #1 Dudley bus from Harvard Square also stops at Hynes Convention Center/I.C.A. Public parking is available at the Prudential Center on Boylston Street, a few blocks from the Society, and in garages located off Boylston Street, on Haviland Street, and on Westland Avenue. | |
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The following item appeared on the H-Ethnic list, and will interest those looking for research material - including illustrations... P.O'S. From: Brian Gratton title: "Im/migration Web Page" Im/migration is a web page supported by Arizona State University dedicated to immigration and ethnic studies. Formerly a web site for H-Ethnic, it is now an independent site at the following url: www.asu.edu/clas/history/asu-imm The page provides rich resources for both teaching and research. H-Ethnic members are encouraged to make suggestions for further improvement to the webmaster, MaryEllen Smith (mes3477[at]imap3.asu.edu) or to Brian Gratton (brian[at]asu.edu). H-Ethnic message logs and other generated list material can be found at H-Net's server: http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~ethnic/. Brian Gratton Department of History Arizona State University Tempe, AZ 85287-2501 480-965-4463 or -5778 FAX -0310 Im/Migration Web Page: http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/asu-imm/ Emily Skop, Joe Hirman, Will McArthur & Brian Mexican-American Family Project 480-727-6118 (and messages) http://www.prc.utexas.edu/hispanic/ | |
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Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
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This is the reply I have received from Fergus Gillespie Deputy Chief Herald of Ireland P.O'S. - -----Original Message----- To: 'Patrick O'Sullivan' Subject: RE: Azure, a harp or, stringed argent Dear Mr O'Sullivan, The figure sometimes seen on the pillar of the harp is Nike = Victory. For heraldic purposes any recognisable harp is a harp, so the arms of Ireland may have Nike, lovely or otherwise, or not. The harp with which you are most familiar as the emblem of the State is based on the Brian Boru harp (so called) which is in Trinity College. This representation of the harp is one of those reserved to the use of the State by international agreement. As to how it should be represented: you are aware of the tinctures but for State purposes it has a minimum of eleven strings, vertically disposed. Although the arms of Ireland are registered in this Office the use of the harp (separated from its shield) within Ireland is controlled by the Department of Trade and Industry as it is the Trademarks Act which (if I remember correctly) forbids 'the use of the harp or anything resembling the harp'. The earliest known recording of the harp as pertaining to le roi d'Irlande appears in the Armorial Wijnbergen, a document in the French language of about 1275 now in Holland, in which it is blazoned: Azure a harp or. In its present form it dates from the reign of Henry VIII who used it to replace the previously used Azure three ancient crowns or. Has it ever been studied? Well, above you have, I think, most of what is to be known. Kind regards, Fergus Gillespie Deputy Chief Herald of Ireland | |
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I have pasted in, below, the text of an email I sent to the Chief Herald of Ireland at the beginning of this month. I hope it is an adequate summary of our earlier discussions. A further email follows this one, as Azure, a harp or, stringed argent 2 giving the reply I have received from Fergus Gillespie Deputy Chief Herald of Ireland P.O'S. Azure, a harp or, stringed argent Dear Chief Herald, A discussion has begun on the Irish-Diaspora list - this is our email discussion forum for Irish Diaspora scholars throughout the world. A number of scholars have noted, in a variety of nineteenth century Irish nationalist publications in Britain and Australia, an image of a harp, in which the forepillar of the harp is seemingly carved into the image of an (attractive) woman, often with back-swept wings. We have discussed this image with the harp experts, and it seems clear that we are not dealing with a picture of any real harp. What we seem to have is a version of the harp of heraldry. And what we are seeing in these nineteenth century publications is a version of the arms of Ireland, Azure, a harp or, stringed argent. (Though we never seem to see the image placed within the shape of a heraldic shield...) There is a picture of a harp with carved lady - a picture of a carved harp, of rather roccoco appearance... http://www.connect.ie/users/morley/uacht_e.htm but, in the irritating manner of the Web, all we learn is that this is a picture of 'the shield that used to hang above the speaker's chair in the Irish parliament until the Act of Union...' Looking at this, and other pictures of heraldic harps - where the harp lady is frankly ugly - suggests another line of thought. Is this one of those heraldic visual puns, where the harp is also a harpy? The image of the attractive harp lady (certainly not a harpy) that we see in those nineteenth century Irish nationalist publications would then seem to be a sanitising of the harp/harpy image. Linking with other visions of Ireland-as-woman. The Arms of Ireland, as dictated by Azure, a harp or, stringed argent, do not specify the actual shape or image of the harp - and we note the more simple harp shape used by the modern Irish state. I wondered if you could add anything to clarify this discussion, about the decisions, over time, as to how the harp of Ireland should be represented? Has this theme been studied? Patrick O'Sullivan - -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net Personal Fax National 0709 236 9050 Fax International +44 709 236 9050 Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire England | |
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