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12 February 2002 15:12  
  
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:12:00 +0000 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: a.roberts[at]mdx.ac.uk [mailto:a.roberts[at]mdx.ac.uk] Subject: Re: History of Irish & Mental Health Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.1864a53233.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Re: History of Irish & Mental Health Issues
  
Andrew Roberts
  
From Andrew Roberts
web address: http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/
telephone: 020 8 986 5251
home address: 177 Glenarm Road, London, E5 ONB

Dear Patrick

I have quickly read through your email, which I appreciate your
sending to me.

The issues you raise and the way that you raise them are
significant and interesting. I do not have material springing to mind,
but I will keep your email in my research file, and follow up on the
issues as I go along. Then, if material comes to mind, I will write to
you.

I deliberately focussed on England and Wales in my research. I
have run a personal file on Irish History by the side of it - but not
specifically focussed on mental health. I will rethink this in the light
of your email.

Thank you again for writing. I will, of course, always be pleased to
hear of the progress of your research.

Best Wishes

Andrew


On 12 Feb 02, at 14:44, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> I have been reading your history on the Web with great interest...
>
> So, thank you for that - and thank you for making your work so readily
> available...
>
> I won't go into all the detail, but here we have begun to look at the long
> history of this connection between the Irish and psychiatry, this presumed
> connection between being Irish and being mentally ill.
>
> Oddly enough the history has never before been approached quite in this
> fashion. Though scholars have flagged the matter as needing research and
as
> raising issues. Finnane (1981) writes: ?the search for _origins_ is both
> elusive and instructive? What England saw only in 1845, or France in
1838,
> Ireland had already witnessed in essentials in 1817: the legislative
> provision of public asylums for the entire country?? (Emphasis in the
> original.)
>
> Malcolm (2001) speaks of ??growing public and political alarm at an
apparent
> rapid increase in mental illness after 1800 led the British administration
> [in Ireland] to begin building a network of state asylums, well in advance
> of the comparable English system??
>
> The historian of Ireland and the Irish Diaspora is, of course, immediately
> struck by the date, 1800 ? and the Act of Union of that year, and its
> implementation in 1801, when the British Government imposed ?direct rule?
on
> Ireland in response to the rebellions of 1798, fear of the French
Revolution
> and its consequences, and in the middle of the long war with revolutionary
> France. It looks to us as if within three years of the Act of Union the
> united Parliament of Great Britain and Ireland is discussing the ?problem?
> of Irish irrationality, lunacy and mental illness as defined at that
period.
>
> I wondered if, in your own research, you had come across many specific
> references to Ireland, and the development of a specific discourse of
> Ireland and the Irish having some sort of special susceptability to mental
> illness, or lunacy, or dangerous lunacy.
>
> Generally, within such discourses, the Irish are identified as a group who
> are peculiarly susceptible to psychiatric illness. I am inclined to
suggest
> instead that the Irish are a group who are peculiarly vulnerable to
> psychiatric intervention.
>
> I would value your comments.
>
> Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>
> --
> Patrick O'Sullivan
> Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
>
> Email Patrick O'Sullivan
> Email Patrick O'Sullivan
> Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050
>
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> Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net
>
> Irish Diaspora Research Unit
> Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
> University of Bradford
> Bradford BD7 1DP
> Yorkshire
> England
>
>
>
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13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.31FBac2847.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 5
  
=?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
  
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

A good start, if you don't have it already, would be
the video/CD 'Bringing It All Back Home' recorded in
the nineties I think. It looked at the influence of
Irish music on American music and featured the Everly
Brothers and Emmy Lou Harris among others.

Dymphna Lonergan
Flinders University of South Australia
Dymphna_1[at]Yahoo.com

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends
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13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.D78EEE12846.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 3
  
dcrcfp@netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
  
From: dcrcfp[at]netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
Subject: RE: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

I should like to suggest that one might begin with an exploration of "Irish"
pubs in Britain and Europe,
but fear that one would get no further...

David Rose


- --
D.C. Rose

Editor, THE OSCHOLARS
Department of English / Centre for Irish Studies
Goldsmiths College
University of London
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars
oscholars[at]netscape.net
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2904  
13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.F4CFD4ba2844.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 4
  
Maureen E Mulvihill
  
From: Maureen E Mulvihill
mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com
Subject: Music of Irish Diaspora

For Kenan Foley's upcoming course at Carlow College in Pittsburgh on the
music of the Irish Diaspora, I would encourage Foley to visit the website of
violinist Brendan Mulvihill (now resident in Washington, D.C.), who has
achieved a wide reputation in Irish music.

Some of Brendan's work is available on Green Linnet records; and a
documentary film of Brendan and his music was made by fellow-musician Mick
Moloney (now resident in Philadelphia), whom I met just last week at the
"Bloody Sunday" commemorative panel sponsored by New York University's
Ireland House.

Diasporic Irish Music is a rich field. This is but one of many (many) places
to begin.

Slan,

Maureen E. Mulvihill
Princeton Research Forum, Princeton, NJ
Residence: 1 Plaza W., Park Slope, Bklyn., NY 11217
mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com
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13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.Adc45f2845.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 2
  
Elizabeth Malcolm
  
From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

I have two recently-published general guides to Irish music that - as
a non-expert in the area - I find very useful:

Fintan Vallely (ed.), 'The Companion to Irish Traditional Music',
Cork: Cork UP, 1998
Geoff Wallis and Sue Wilson (eds), 'The Rough Guide to Irish Music',
London: Rough Guides, 2001

Elizabeth Malcolm
Melbourne



Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010
AUSTRALIA
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13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D IASIL Newsletter Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.18F2dd0A2849.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D IASIL Newsletter Online
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of Tina Mahony...

It's here!

Please go to http://newsletters.cua.edu. News about IASIL 2002 in
Brazil, other conferences in the coming year, publications and other
important Irish Studies information. Reports from your Chair, Treasurer
and Secretary. Even a subscription form to download for you or for a
colleague!
Once you have accessed site, click on IASIL in left-hand menu. You will
recognise the familiar IASIL logo and be greeted by a statement from our
Chair, Chris Murray. Then click again on any item on the next left-hand
menu.

All the best to all our members.

Tina Mahony

ps - all members will also receive a letter by post with the above
online address and instructions.

Christina Hunt Mahony
Acting Director, The Center for Irish Studies
The Catholic University of America
Washington, DC 20064
Tel. (202) 319-5488 Fax:(202) 319-4188
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13 February 2002 06:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 06:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D C16th Studies, Panel Member, Irish Catholics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.A4DE5F2F2848.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D C16th Studies, Panel Member, Irish Catholics
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

This item appeared on the H-Albion list.

Thought might interest.

P.O'S.


Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:10 -0500
From: "Kristen Walton"

Hi,

I'm putting together a panel for the 2002 Sixteenth Century Studies
Conference in San Antonio, next 24-27 October, on Catholic Celts. So
far we have one presenter talking of Welsh Catholics and one on Scottish
Catholics, so I am looking to round out the panel with someone talking
on Irish Catholics. The themes we will be addressing in our panel will
be looking at confessionalization and the role & position of Catholics
under the Protestant governments of England/Scotland.

If you are interested in joining our panel, please contact me directly
at: kpwalton[at]salisbury.edu

Thank you very much!

Kristen Walton


Kristen Walton
Assistant Professor of History
Salisbury University
410-543-6502
kpwalton[at]salisbury.edu
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13 February 2002 16:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 16:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D KATHARINE WORTH c20th Irish Theatre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.83bce2b2851.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D KATHARINE WORTH c20th Irish Theatre
  
oscholars@netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
  
From: oscholars[at]netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
Subject: 20thc Irish Theatre


The following may be of interest:
Wednesday 15th May 2002, at 7.00pm
The Annual General Meeting
Society for Theatre Research
followed at 8.30pm by--
The Annual Address
The Irish/London Theatre: Twentieth Century Phase
by-- KATHARINE WORTH

Details at http://www.str.org.uk/

- --
D.C. Rose
Editor, THE OSCHOLARS
Department of English / Centre for Irish Studies
Goldsmiths College
University of London
SE14 6NW

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars
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13 February 2002 16:10  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 16:10 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Job, Ethnomusicologist, Boston College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.dBA33Fb2850.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Job, Ethnomusicologist, Boston College
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of...

Robert J. Savage
Associate Director
Irish Studies
Boston College
savager[at]bc.edu
(617) 552-3966

web site: www.bc.edu/irish

Please distribute widely...

P.O'S.


BOSTON COLLEGE
CHESTNUT HILL, MASSACHUSETTS 02159-1159


MUSIC DEPARTMENT
(617) 552-4843
ANNOUNCEMENT OF A POSITION IN ETHNOMUSICOLOGY
beginning Fall 2002

The Music Department and the Irish Studies Program of Boston College, a
Jesuit and Catholic, liberal arts college and university in Chestnut Hill,
Massachusetts is seeking an ethnomusicologist for a full time, tenure track
position to begin in the Fall of 2002. Expertise in Irish Traditional Music
is essential, as well as some experience teaching world music, and/or
another area in ethnomusicology at the undergraduate level. Applicants
should possess a Ph.D. in ethnomusicology.

The Music Department of Boston College, founded in 1989, is a small but
growing department within a large, undergraduate liberal arts program. In
addition to major and minor concentrations in music we support a large
chorale (150 voices), a small symphony orchestra and chamber music society,
as well as numerous smaller a cappella singing groups and bands. The music
major, minor and all our courses are open to students who come from varied
musical backgrounds. An important component of the department has been the
program in Irish Music performance.

The Irish Studies Program of Boston College is one of the largest programs
in North America, supporting graduate and undergraduate scholarship in Irish
History, Literature, Art, and Music. Its interdisciplinary focus has helped
to define Irish Studies over the last quarter century. This appointment in
ethnomusicology will enhance the interdisciplinary core of the Program.

Applicants should submit a letter of application, curriculum vitae and three
letters of recommendation by April 1, 2002 to:

Professor T. Frank Kennedy, S.J.
Chair, Search Committee
Music Department
Boston College, Chestnut Hill. 02467

Boston College is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer. Women
and Minorities are encouraged to apply.
----------------------
Robert J. Savage
Associate Director
Irish Studies
Boston College
savager[at]bc.edu
(617) 552-3966

web site: www.bc.edu/irish
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13 February 2002 19:52  
  
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:52:58 GMT Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: owner-irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D MLA Panel Emigration/Immigration in Irish Literature and MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.642Cd4522852.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D MLA Panel Emigration/Immigration in Irish Literature and
  
Theatre
Date: 13 February 2002 20:00
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Sender: owner-irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk
Precedence: bulk


This item appeared on the Irish Studies list...

Forwarded on behalf of
Trotter, Mary K
matrotte[at]iupui.edu
M/MLA Irish Studies Panel


Esteemed Colleagues:

The Midwest Modern Language Association will hold its annual convention at
the Minneapolis Marriot City Center, November 8-10, 2002.

I will be chairing the Irish Studies panel at this year's M/MLA on
"Emigration/Immigration in Irish Literature and Theatre." This panel will
explore representations of Emigration/Immigration in Irish literature and
theatre all genres. Historical and theoretical perspectives encouraged. I
am casting a wide net, hoping for some wily fish. Please feel free to
contact me for more information. The deadline for abstracts is April 1st.

The convention is also considering proposals based on the meeting's theme,
"Thinking Post-Identity", until March 1st.

For more information on M/MLA and the convention, please visit its website:
www.uiowa.edu/~mmla

I look forward to hearing from all interested parties.

Slan,
Mary Trotter

___________________________________
Mary Trotter
Asst. Prof. of English
IUPUI
425 University Blvd.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Phone: 317-274-8817
FAX: 317-278-1287
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13 February 2002 20:00  
  
Date: 13 February 2002 20:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.4Eb162853.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 6
  
Devin G Harner
  
From: Devin G Harner
Subject: More on the Contemporary Music of the Irish Diaspora


I don't know if I've got this posted right. But this message is
intended for the "music" thread.

I just wrote my Masters thesis on contemporary Irish diasporic music.
I've been working on trying to interview some musicians and getting a book
manuscript together now.

The project deals with punk, folk, and hip-hop hybrids and how 'Irish'
musicians negotiate complex notions of identity through song.

I can post a theory-based bibliography if there's interest. But
I'd recommend looking at bands like Belfast's Stiff Little Fingers, The
Pogues, Black 47, The Dropkick Murphy's, Flogging Molly, and Therapy. I'm
testing definitions of 'diaspora' here, but U2, particularly "Achtung
Baby" and "Pop," warrants examinition because of it's relationship to the
diasporic texts.

The course sound like a great idea. Let me know if I can be of help.

Devin Harner
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14 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 14 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Erin go bragh/Exile of Erin 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.4E2a4CE2854.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Erin go bragh/Exile of Erin 2
  
=?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
  
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
Subject: Re: Ir-D Erin go bragh/Exile of Erin

Many thanks for the information on Éire go brách.
Regarding the dispute over the composition of 'The
Exile of Erin', a book on that topic was published in
1921 by Fallon Brothers, Dublin. 'The Exile of Erin:
Who Wrote It?' was written by Rev. P.A. Walsh. He
claimed that it was known and sung in Ireland in 1799.
This information comes from notes I took when I
visited the O'Donnell Collection at Newman House,
University of Melbourne.I imagine the book is also
available somewhere up your end of the world.

Dymphna Lonergan
Flinders University of South Australia

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends
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14 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 14 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.24F5DA72855.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 7
  
Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Patrick O'Sullivan
P.OSullivan[at]bradford.ac.uk

1.
Our thanks to Devin for offering to share his bibliography with us. Yes,
please.

2.
When I was planning The Irish World Wide series I felt that we were not
getting our heads round the importance and the use of music and dance
within, throughout, the Irish Diaspora.

I flagged the issues by publishing two chapters...
Irish dance world-wide: Irish migrants and the shaping of Irish traditional
dance
John P. Cullinane

My love is in America: migration and Irish music
Graeme Smith

in Volume 3, Patrick O'Sullivan, ed, The Creative Migrant.

Full information on www.irishdiaspora.net

Graeme Smith talked to accordian players. John Cullinane - marine botantist
and dance master - demonstrated his love of the dance. Together, oddly, a
demonstration that the music and the dance had almost gone their separate
ways...

But I remember still having trouble explaining what I was getting at to
academics... Then, one night, slumped on the sofa, watching the Eurovision
Song Contest, Riverdance happened. One lead dancer from Chicago, the other
from New York...

4.
Ethnic identities tend to coalesce around leisure activities. Discuss.

5.
There is a book to accompany the tv series already mentioned...
Nuala O'Connor, Bringing It All Back Home, BBC books, 1991, isbn 0 563 36195
6.

It is quite good, but you really need to grab a musician and say, Play me
some of that, or Can I hear the point being made here?

6.
There is an imprtant book
'Twas Only an Irishman's Dream: The Image of Ireland and the Irish in
American Popular Song Lyrics, 1800-1920. By William H. A. Williams. Urbana:
University of Illinois Press, 1996. ISBN 0-252-02246-7 (cloth); ISBN
0-252-06551-4 (pbk.). Pp. xii, 311. $42.50 (cloth), $17.95 (pbk.).

Review at...
http://www.findarticles.com/m2298/n1_v16/21085992/p1/article.jhtml

7.
I recently came across this...

Journal name Race and Class
ISSN 0306-3968 electronic:0306-3968
Publisher SAGE Publications
History Title, ISSN, Publisher History
Issue 2001 - volume 42 - issue 3

'This is not a rebel song': the Irish conflict and popular music
Rolston, William J

P.O'S.


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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050

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Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/
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Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England








From: Devin G Harner
Subject: More on the Contemporary Music of the Irish Diaspora


I don't know if I've got this posted right. But this message is
intended for the "music" thread.

I just wrote my Masters thesis on contemporary Irish diasporic music.
I've been working on trying to interview some musicians and getting a book
manuscript together now.

The project deals with punk, folk, and hip-hop hybrids and how 'Irish'
musicians negotiate complex notions of identity through song.

I can post a theory-based bibliography if there's interest. But
I'd recommend looking at bands like Belfast's Stiff Little Fingers, The
Pogues, Black 47, The Dropkick Murphy's, Flogging Molly, and Therapy. I'm
testing definitions of 'diaspora' here, but U2, particularly "Achtung
Baby" and "Pop," warrants examinition because of it's relationship to the
diasporic texts.

The course sound like a great idea. Let me know if I can be of help.

Devin Harner
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14 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 14 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Bevin on Anglo-Irish relations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.E4CB6c32856.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Bevin on Anglo-Irish relations
  
Professor John Belchem
  
From: Professor John Belchem
J.C.Belchem[at]liverpool.ac.uk

Subject: Bevin on Anglo-Irish relations


A colleague has been trying to track down a
quotation - so far without any success. So I have suggested
tapping the expertise of the Irish Diaspora list!! It is
(he thinks) from Ernest Bevin, speaking in the House of
Commons in 1949. Ireland had just got the boot from the
Commonwealth for declaring itself a Republic (again), and
legislation was needed to cover the new status of Irish
citizens in the UK. This legislation gave, or continued,
the right to vote to Irish citizens living in the UK. When
challenged, Ernest Bevin replied something along the lines
of:

"Logic has played little part in the relations between our
two islands over these past centuries and I see no reason
to introduce it now..."

Can anyone provide chapter and verse?

Many thanks, John Belchem, Acting Director, Institute of
Irish Studies, University of Liverpool.


----------------------
ah14[at]liverpool.ac.uk
Professor John Belchem
Dean of the Faculty of Arts, University of Liverpool
12 Abercromby Square, Liverpool L69 7WZ
Phone: (0)151-794-2457 Fax (0)151-794-3765
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14 February 2002 22:00  
  
Date: 14 February 2002 22:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.0CeB32857.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London
  
Subject: Introduction, and query
From: David Latane

I've just joined the list, and am enjoying all of the posts. My
research interests are focused on the Irish literary set in London,
1820-40 (roughly) particularly Maginn, both Crokers, Mahoney, and
their associates.

My greatest desiderata would be to locate any of Maginn's descendents
(his granddaughter and nephew were alive in the 1930s when Thrall
wrote _Rebellious Fraser's_, the only lengthy account of the last
century).

More pragmatically, I'd like to know if anyone has any advice on where
to look for information about the Irish in the St. Giles district
during this period.

David Latane

Dept. of English
Virginia Commonwealth University
Richmond, VA 23284-2005
804-828-1331
dlatane[at]vcu.edu

Editor, Victorians Institute Journal
http://saturn.vcu.edu/~dlatane/VI.html

Associate Editor
Stand Magazine (Leeds, UK)
http://saturn.vcu.edu/~dlatane/stand.html
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Date: 14 February 2002 22:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.53ee2858.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 8
  
Marion Casey
  
From: Marion Casey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 7


Dear Paddy,

May I suggest a video documentary on which I worked as Historian &
Associate Producer?

From Shore to Shore: Irish Traditional Music in New York City
(VHS, 57 mins., Cherry Lane Productions, 1993) Patrick J. Mullins,
producer & director, Rebecca Miller, writer & co-producer

This documentary examines both the continuity and changes that have
affected Irish traditional music since 1900. It traces the influence of
family and community, Irish immigration and American popular culture on
the traditional music played in New York today, especially how the
urban environment has offered commercial possibilities as well as
challenges. It shows how Irish traditional music became a powerful
vehicle for the transmission of ethnic identity from generation to
generation.

Although now nine years old, From Shore to Shore remains a landmark
film. Dirty Linen (August/ September 1994) called it ?a model of how
such a film should be made? and the Christmas 2001 catalog for Celtic
Grooves Imports (http://go.to/celticgrooves) called it "the best
documentary yet on Irish traditional music?A real treat." More
importantly, I believe From Shore to Shore has become an historic
document in its own right. It captures a specific time and place (the
late 1980s) but, because it was made with such care and objectivity,
From Shore to Shore is not dated. Now it actually lends critical
perspective to an ethnic subculture on the cusp of change ? none of us
truly anticipated the Riverdance phenomenon!

Patrick Mullins is currently completing a film based on From Shore to
Shore outtakes that focus on the now defunct Snug Harbor Festival and
emphasize the relationship of Irish dancing to the
music. "Retrospective Reels" will be screened as part of the upcoming
GRIAN conference at New York University on Friday evening, March 1st,
at 7:00 pm, Cantor Film Center, 36 East 8th Stret, New York City. For
further info see www.grian.org (note that the date IS March 1 not
March 2 as the site incorrectly states).

I also recommend Becky Miller's essay "Irish Traditional and Popular
Music in New York City: Identity and Social Change, 1930-1975" in THE
NEW YORK IRISH, Ronald H. Bayor & Timothy J. Meagher, eds. (Baltimore:
Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996), pp. 481-507. And my
essay "Keeping the Tradition Alive: A History of Irish Music & Dance in
New York City" in NEW YORK IRISH HISTORY, Vol. 6 (1991-92)(ISSN-1073-
8339).

Best wishes,
Marion R. Casey
Department of History
New York University
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Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 9 - Bands
  
Devin G Harner
  
From: Devin G Harner
Subject: Music of Irish Diaspora 9 -- Some bands of interest


Hi All,

Here are some contemporary records of interest. I've included a quickly
written bio. note about the bands. I'll post some relevant readings some
time over the weekend. There's not a lot of scholarship about traditional
bands -- and there's even less being written about the pop, punk, and folk
hybrids that I include here. This is an important and overlooked area
that I think warrants critical work hence my own project. If anyone
wants to look at a draft of my introduction, or my chapters about any of
these bands, I'd be happy to send you an attachment.

Happy listening,
Devin

* * *

Black 47. Fire Of Freedom. EMI, 1993.
Home Of The Brave. EMI, 1994.
Green Suede Shoes. Mercury, 1996.
Live In New York. Shanachie, 2000.


These guys are New York-based and pretty well known. This music could
easily be on the radio. It's very pop -- in fact, Ric Ocasek of The Cars
produced the first record and Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads produced the
second.

They had a video on MTV in the mid-nineties. But they've had limited
commercial success since. The First two records are must-listen-to's.
The band has a pipes player, a horn section, and a drum machine, and they
fuse traditional, punk, reggae, and hip-hop very effectively. Of
particular interest to us are singer, Larry Kirwan's, lyrics. He's also a
playwright who's had some stuff produced in NYC and maybe London.


Dropkick Murphy's. Do Or Die. Hellcat, 1997?

Punk Band from Boston. Their first record was strong straight-ahead
working-class inflected punk. They've since gone the 'traditional' route
and added a pipes player and an accordion. But they pull this off with
limited success. I just saw them play in London in January and the new
material isn't as interesting. The harder they try to represent something
'Irish' in their live shows the more it comes across as an affectation.
"Do Or Die" dealt with urban diasporic life in Boston honestly, albeit
simplistically. Interesting tracks include a tribute to Belfast's Stiff
Little Fingers (see below), a version of Finnegan's Wake, and a reworking
of an old Kingston Trio song
- -- now called "Skinhead on the MBTA." They've just released a cover of
"The Wild Rover" with Shane MacGowan guesting on vocals.

Flogging Molly. Swagger. Self-Produced. Check www.floggingmolly.com for
information.

A San Diego band mixing basic punk with a fiddle, accordion, and whistle.
The singer, Dave King, writes decent songs reminiscent of Shane MacGowan,
but FM aren't just an American version of The Pogues. Instrumentally
they're not as accomplished, so they work the punk angle. But King's
lyrics really do try to get at being an Irish immigrant on the West coast
in the nineties. I tried to set up an interview with him last year and I
talked to his wife on the telephone for a while, but I never heard back
from King. Evidently they've got a new record coming out soon.


The Pogues. Red Roses For Me. Pogue Mahone, 1984.
Rum, Sodomy, And The Lash. Stiff Records Ltd., 1985.
If I Should Fall From Grace With God. Island, 1988.
Hell's Ditch. Island, 1990.

Likely the best known of these bands. They blend traditional and punk
brilliantly. If you haven't heard them yet, you're in for a treat. Shane
MacGowan is considered one of the best songwriters of his generation.
Disbanded since the early nineties, they just had a week-long reunion tour
in the UK in December. MacGowan now plays with a band called The Popes.
They've got a "Live In NYC" record coming out in a couple of months. It
includes a bunch of traditional songs and a cover of Hank Williams' "Angel
of Death." I've got a review copy and it's impressive -- now I'm looking
for a place to publish the review.

Stiff Little Fingers. Live Inspiration. Snapper, 2000.

Based in Belfast. Reggae and punk fusion with a dose of pre-psychedelic
American "Duke Of Earl"- style chord progressions and harmonies. Pacifist
and D.I.Y. lyrics. They started in the mid-70s and are still touring.
This record is a retrospective that includes a cover of The Wailers' Peter
Tosh-penned "Johnny Was."
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Ir-D Linda Colley at NYU
  
Forwarded on behalf of Antonio Feros
af5[at]nyu.edu

Subject: Linda Colley on British Atlantic, NYU (Feb 19-26)

Prof. Linda Colley, Leverhulme Research Professor and School Professor in
History at the European Institute, London School of Economics and Political
Science, and historian in the fields of British, Imperial and Atlantic
history, will give three talks at NYU between February 19-26. Best known
as the author of BRITONS: FORGING THE NATION, 1707-1837 (Yale University
Press, 1992), her new research project focuses on imperial and global
experiences, "with close explorations of published and manuscript
narratives by British and Irish men and women taken captives and/or
changing sides in three zones of imperial contexts, the Mediterranean and
North African coast, North America, and India."


Tuesday, February 19, Rewriting Defeat, Composing Empire: The Captives of
Mysore, 1780-1830.
Time & Place:6:15PM, King Juan Carlos I of Spain Building, 53 Washington
Square South (KJCC), Room 607

Thursday, February 21, "The Narrative of Elizabeth Marsh: Barbary, Sex and
Power"
Time & Place:2:00-4:00, KJCC, Room 607

Tuesday, February 26, New trends in Imperial and Atlantic History.
Time & Place: 12:30-2:00, KJCC, Room 607

All activities are open to the public
For more information about Professor Colley's activities at NYU, contact
Antonio Feros (antonio.feros[at]nyu.edu)
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anthony
  
From: "anthony"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London


Dear David

Here are a couple of references which might be of use
O'Neil, J Fifty Years Experience as an Irish Shoemaker in London. O'Neil
(1777-1858) was a shoemaker, poor all his life. A self-taught poet, his
memoir was published weekly in the shoemaker and leather-workers journal
St Crispin between 8/5/1869 and 19/2/1870.

Murphy, M 1992 St Patrick's charity school an orphan asylum, Soho: a
study of a London Catholic poor school during the 19th century.
From O'Neil is a quote I'm fond of.

In September 1808, when John O'Neil, the bard of the temperance
movement, came to London seeking his errant father, he was advised that
as he was looking for an Irishman, he should go to St Giles, for there,
"they all hang together, like a swarm of bees."
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Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London 3
  
Subject: Re: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London 2
From: David Latane

Dear Craig,

Many thanks for your response. I have a copy of Hall's book--as a
teetotaler and temperance man he was definitely the odd man out among
London Corkers. I've dashed to the library and fetched the Exiles of
Erin and the bibliography is indeed splendid--thanks.

Best,

david Latane


-------------------
>
> From: Craig Bailey
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London
>
> Dear David,
>
> It is a little after your period but I think the bibliography of
Lynn
> Lees, Exiles of Erin (Manchester, 1979) is still probably the best
place
> to start for the Irish in St. Giles.
>
> I also seem to remember that Samuel Carter Hall, Retrospect of Long
Life,
> from 1815 to 1883 (London, 1883) contains bits about Maginn, Banim
and
> others.
>
> Hope this is of some help.
>
> Best,
>
> Craig Bailey
> Institute of Historical Research
> and King's College, London
> email- iradven[at]yahoo.com
>
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