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Re: History of Irish & Mental Health Issues | |
Andrew Roberts | |
From Andrew Roberts
web address: http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/ telephone: 020 8 986 5251 home address: 177 Glenarm Road, London, E5 ONB Dear Patrick I have quickly read through your email, which I appreciate your sending to me. The issues you raise and the way that you raise them are significant and interesting. I do not have material springing to mind, but I will keep your email in my research file, and follow up on the issues as I go along. Then, if material comes to mind, I will write to you. I deliberately focussed on England and Wales in my research. I have run a personal file on Irish History by the side of it - but not specifically focussed on mental health. I will rethink this in the light of your email. Thank you again for writing. I will, of course, always be pleased to hear of the progress of your research. Best Wishes Andrew On 12 Feb 02, at 14:44, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote: > Andrew, > > I have been reading your history on the Web with great interest... > > So, thank you for that - and thank you for making your work so readily > available... > > I won't go into all the detail, but here we have begun to look at the long > history of this connection between the Irish and psychiatry, this presumed > connection between being Irish and being mentally ill. > > Oddly enough the history has never before been approached quite in this > fashion. Though scholars have flagged the matter as needing research and as > raising issues. Finnane (1981) writes: ?the search for _origins_ is both > elusive and instructive? What England saw only in 1845, or France in 1838, > Ireland had already witnessed in essentials in 1817: the legislative > provision of public asylums for the entire country?? (Emphasis in the > original.) > > Malcolm (2001) speaks of ??growing public and political alarm at an apparent > rapid increase in mental illness after 1800 led the British administration > [in Ireland] to begin building a network of state asylums, well in advance > of the comparable English system?? > > The historian of Ireland and the Irish Diaspora is, of course, immediately > struck by the date, 1800 ? and the Act of Union of that year, and its > implementation in 1801, when the British Government imposed ?direct rule? on > Ireland in response to the rebellions of 1798, fear of the French Revolution > and its consequences, and in the middle of the long war with revolutionary > France. It looks to us as if within three years of the Act of Union the > united Parliament of Great Britain and Ireland is discussing the ?problem? > of Irish irrationality, lunacy and mental illness as defined at that period. > > I wondered if, in your own research, you had come across many specific > references to Ireland, and the development of a specific discourse of > Ireland and the Irish having some sort of special susceptability to mental > illness, or lunacy, or dangerous lunacy. > > Generally, within such discourses, the Irish are identified as a group who > are peculiarly susceptible to psychiatric illness. I am inclined to suggest > instead that the Irish are a group who are peculiarly vulnerable to > psychiatric intervention. > > I would value your comments. > > Patrick O'Sullivan > > > -- > Patrick O'Sullivan > Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit > > Email Patrick O'Sullivan > Email Patrick O'Sullivan > Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050 > > Irish-Diaspora list > Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ > Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net > > Irish Diaspora Research Unit > Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies > University of Bradford > Bradford BD7 1DP > Yorkshire > England > > > | |
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2902 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora A good start, if you don't have it already, would be the video/CD 'Bringing It All Back Home' recorded in the nineties I think. It looked at the influence of Irish music on American music and featured the Everly Brothers and Emmy Lou Harris among others. Dymphna Lonergan Flinders University of South Australia Dymphna_1[at]Yahoo.com ===== Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends | |
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2903 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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dcrcfp@netscape.net (D.C. Rose) | |
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Subject: RE: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora I should like to suggest that one might begin with an exploration of "Irish" pubs in Britain and Europe, but fear that one would get no further... David Rose - -- D.C. Rose Editor, THE OSCHOLARS Department of English / Centre for Irish Studies Goldsmiths College University of London http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars oscholars[at]netscape.net | |
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2904 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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Maureen E Mulvihill | |
From: Maureen E Mulvihill
mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com Subject: Music of Irish Diaspora For Kenan Foley's upcoming course at Carlow College in Pittsburgh on the music of the Irish Diaspora, I would encourage Foley to visit the website of violinist Brendan Mulvihill (now resident in Washington, D.C.), who has achieved a wide reputation in Irish music. Some of Brendan's work is available on Green Linnet records; and a documentary film of Brendan and his music was made by fellow-musician Mick Moloney (now resident in Philadelphia), whom I met just last week at the "Bloody Sunday" commemorative panel sponsored by New York University's Ireland House. Diasporic Irish Music is a rich field. This is but one of many (many) places to begin. Slan, Maureen E. Mulvihill Princeton Research Forum, Princeton, NJ Residence: 1 Plaza W., Park Slope, Bklyn., NY 11217 mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com | |
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2905 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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Elizabeth Malcolm | |
From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora I have two recently-published general guides to Irish music that - as a non-expert in the area - I find very useful: Fintan Vallely (ed.), 'The Companion to Irish Traditional Music', Cork: Cork UP, 1998 Geoff Wallis and Sue Wilson (eds), 'The Rough Guide to Irish Music', London: Rough Guides, 2001 Elizabeth Malcolm Melbourne Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924 Chair of Irish Studies FAX: +61-3-8344 7894 Department of History Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au University of Melbourne Parkville, Victoria, 3010 AUSTRALIA | |
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2906 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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Ir-D IASIL Newsletter Online | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Forwarded on behalf of Tina Mahony... It's here! Please go to http://newsletters.cua.edu. News about IASIL 2002 in Brazil, other conferences in the coming year, publications and other important Irish Studies information. Reports from your Chair, Treasurer and Secretary. Even a subscription form to download for you or for a colleague! Once you have accessed site, click on IASIL in left-hand menu. You will recognise the familiar IASIL logo and be greeted by a statement from our Chair, Chris Murray. Then click again on any item on the next left-hand menu. All the best to all our members. Tina Mahony ps - all members will also receive a letter by post with the above online address and instructions. Christina Hunt Mahony Acting Director, The Center for Irish Studies The Catholic University of America Washington, DC 20064 Tel. (202) 319-5488 Fax:(202) 319-4188 | |
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2907 | 13 February 2002 06:10 |
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Ir-D C16th Studies, Panel Member, Irish Catholics | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
This item appeared on the H-Albion list. Thought might interest. P.O'S. Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:10 -0500 From: "Kristen Walton" Hi, I'm putting together a panel for the 2002 Sixteenth Century Studies Conference in San Antonio, next 24-27 October, on Catholic Celts. So far we have one presenter talking of Welsh Catholics and one on Scottish Catholics, so I am looking to round out the panel with someone talking on Irish Catholics. The themes we will be addressing in our panel will be looking at confessionalization and the role & position of Catholics under the Protestant governments of England/Scotland. If you are interested in joining our panel, please contact me directly at: kpwalton[at]salisbury.edu Thank you very much! Kristen Walton Kristen Walton Assistant Professor of History Salisbury University 410-543-6502 kpwalton[at]salisbury.edu | |
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oscholars@netscape.net (D.C. Rose) | |
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Subject: 20thc Irish Theatre The following may be of interest: Wednesday 15th May 2002, at 7.00pm The Annual General Meeting Society for Theatre Research followed at 8.30pm by-- The Annual Address The Irish/London Theatre: Twentieth Century Phase by-- KATHARINE WORTH Details at http://www.str.org.uk/ - -- D.C. Rose Editor, THE OSCHOLARS Department of English / Centre for Irish Studies Goldsmiths College University of London SE14 6NW http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars | |
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2909 | 13 February 2002 16:10 |
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Ir-D Job, Ethnomusicologist, Boston College | |
Email Patrick O'Sullivan | |
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Forwarded on behalf of... Robert J. Savage Associate Director Irish Studies Boston College savager[at]bc.edu (617) 552-3966 web site: www.bc.edu/irish Please distribute widely... P.O'S. BOSTON COLLEGE CHESTNUT HILL, MASSACHUSETTS 02159-1159 MUSIC DEPARTMENT (617) 552-4843 ANNOUNCEMENT OF A POSITION IN ETHNOMUSICOLOGY beginning Fall 2002 The Music Department and the Irish Studies Program of Boston College, a Jesuit and Catholic, liberal arts college and university in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts is seeking an ethnomusicologist for a full time, tenure track position to begin in the Fall of 2002. Expertise in Irish Traditional Music is essential, as well as some experience teaching world music, and/or another area in ethnomusicology at the undergraduate level. Applicants should possess a Ph.D. in ethnomusicology. The Music Department of Boston College, founded in 1989, is a small but growing department within a large, undergraduate liberal arts program. In addition to major and minor concentrations in music we support a large chorale (150 voices), a small symphony orchestra and chamber music society, as well as numerous smaller a cappella singing groups and bands. The music major, minor and all our courses are open to students who come from varied musical backgrounds. An important component of the department has been the program in Irish Music performance. The Irish Studies Program of Boston College is one of the largest programs in North America, supporting graduate and undergraduate scholarship in Irish History, Literature, Art, and Music. Its interdisciplinary focus has helped to define Irish Studies over the last quarter century. This appointment in ethnomusicology will enhance the interdisciplinary core of the Program. Applicants should submit a letter of application, curriculum vitae and three letters of recommendation by April 1, 2002 to: Professor T. Frank Kennedy, S.J. Chair, Search Committee Music Department Boston College, Chestnut Hill. 02467 Boston College is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer. Women and Minorities are encouraged to apply. ---------------------- Robert J. Savage Associate Director Irish Studies Boston College savager[at]bc.edu (617) 552-3966 web site: www.bc.edu/irish | |
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2910 | 13 February 2002 19:52 |
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Theatre
Date: 13 February 2002 20:00 From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Sender: owner-irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This item appeared on the Irish Studies list... Forwarded on behalf of Trotter, Mary K matrotte[at]iupui.edu M/MLA Irish Studies Panel Esteemed Colleagues: The Midwest Modern Language Association will hold its annual convention at the Minneapolis Marriot City Center, November 8-10, 2002. I will be chairing the Irish Studies panel at this year's M/MLA on "Emigration/Immigration in Irish Literature and Theatre." This panel will explore representations of Emigration/Immigration in Irish literature and theatre all genres. Historical and theoretical perspectives encouraged. I am casting a wide net, hoping for some wily fish. Please feel free to contact me for more information. The deadline for abstracts is April 1st. The convention is also considering proposals based on the meeting's theme, "Thinking Post-Identity", until March 1st. For more information on M/MLA and the convention, please visit its website: www.uiowa.edu/~mmla I look forward to hearing from all interested parties. Slan, Mary Trotter ___________________________________ Mary Trotter Asst. Prof. of English IUPUI 425 University Blvd. Indianapolis, IN 46202 Phone: 317-274-8817 FAX: 317-278-1287 | |
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Devin G Harner | |
From: Devin G Harner
Subject: More on the Contemporary Music of the Irish Diaspora I don't know if I've got this posted right. But this message is intended for the "music" thread. I just wrote my Masters thesis on contemporary Irish diasporic music. I've been working on trying to interview some musicians and getting a book manuscript together now. The project deals with punk, folk, and hip-hop hybrids and how 'Irish' musicians negotiate complex notions of identity through song. I can post a theory-based bibliography if there's interest. But I'd recommend looking at bands like Belfast's Stiff Little Fingers, The Pogues, Black 47, The Dropkick Murphy's, Flogging Molly, and Therapy. I'm testing definitions of 'diaspora' here, but U2, particularly "Achtung Baby" and "Pop," warrants examinition because of it's relationship to the diasporic texts. The course sound like a great idea. Let me know if I can be of help. Devin Harner | |
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Subject: Re: Ir-D Erin go bragh/Exile of Erin Many thanks for the information on Éire go brách. Regarding the dispute over the composition of 'The Exile of Erin', a book on that topic was published in 1921 by Fallon Brothers, Dublin. 'The Exile of Erin: Who Wrote It?' was written by Rev. P.A. Walsh. He claimed that it was known and sung in Ireland in 1799. This information comes from notes I took when I visited the O'Donnell Collection at Newman House, University of Melbourne.I imagine the book is also available somewhere up your end of the world. Dymphna Lonergan Flinders University of South Australia ===== Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends | |
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2913 | 14 February 2002 06:00 |
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Patrick O'Sullivan | |
From Patrick O'Sullivan
P.OSullivan[at]bradford.ac.uk 1. Our thanks to Devin for offering to share his bibliography with us. Yes, please. 2. When I was planning The Irish World Wide series I felt that we were not getting our heads round the importance and the use of music and dance within, throughout, the Irish Diaspora. I flagged the issues by publishing two chapters... Irish dance world-wide: Irish migrants and the shaping of Irish traditional dance John P. Cullinane My love is in America: migration and Irish music Graeme Smith in Volume 3, Patrick O'Sullivan, ed, The Creative Migrant. Full information on www.irishdiaspora.net Graeme Smith talked to accordian players. John Cullinane - marine botantist and dance master - demonstrated his love of the dance. Together, oddly, a demonstration that the music and the dance had almost gone their separate ways... But I remember still having trouble explaining what I was getting at to academics... Then, one night, slumped on the sofa, watching the Eurovision Song Contest, Riverdance happened. One lead dancer from Chicago, the other from New York... 4. Ethnic identities tend to coalesce around leisure activities. Discuss. 5. There is a book to accompany the tv series already mentioned... Nuala O'Connor, Bringing It All Back Home, BBC books, 1991, isbn 0 563 36195 6. It is quite good, but you really need to grab a musician and say, Play me some of that, or Can I hear the point being made here? 6. There is an imprtant book 'Twas Only an Irishman's Dream: The Image of Ireland and the Irish in American Popular Song Lyrics, 1800-1920. By William H. A. Williams. Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1996. ISBN 0-252-02246-7 (cloth); ISBN 0-252-06551-4 (pbk.). Pp. xii, 311. $42.50 (cloth), $17.95 (pbk.). Review at... http://www.findarticles.com/m2298/n1_v16/21085992/p1/article.jhtml 7. I recently came across this... Journal name Race and Class ISSN 0306-3968 electronic:0306-3968 Publisher SAGE Publications History Title, ISSN, Publisher History Issue 2001 - volume 42 - issue 3 'This is not a rebel song': the Irish conflict and popular music Rolston, William J P.O'S. - -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050 Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire England From: Devin G Harner Subject: More on the Contemporary Music of the Irish Diaspora I don't know if I've got this posted right. But this message is intended for the "music" thread. I just wrote my Masters thesis on contemporary Irish diasporic music. I've been working on trying to interview some musicians and getting a book manuscript together now. The project deals with punk, folk, and hip-hop hybrids and how 'Irish' musicians negotiate complex notions of identity through song. I can post a theory-based bibliography if there's interest. But I'd recommend looking at bands like Belfast's Stiff Little Fingers, The Pogues, Black 47, The Dropkick Murphy's, Flogging Molly, and Therapy. I'm testing definitions of 'diaspora' here, but U2, particularly "Achtung Baby" and "Pop," warrants examinition because of it's relationship to the diasporic texts. The course sound like a great idea. Let me know if I can be of help. Devin Harner | |
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J.C.Belchem[at]liverpool.ac.uk Subject: Bevin on Anglo-Irish relations A colleague has been trying to track down a quotation - so far without any success. So I have suggested tapping the expertise of the Irish Diaspora list!! It is (he thinks) from Ernest Bevin, speaking in the House of Commons in 1949. Ireland had just got the boot from the Commonwealth for declaring itself a Republic (again), and legislation was needed to cover the new status of Irish citizens in the UK. This legislation gave, or continued, the right to vote to Irish citizens living in the UK. When challenged, Ernest Bevin replied something along the lines of: "Logic has played little part in the relations between our two islands over these past centuries and I see no reason to introduce it now..." Can anyone provide chapter and verse? Many thanks, John Belchem, Acting Director, Institute of Irish Studies, University of Liverpool. ---------------------- ah14[at]liverpool.ac.uk Professor John Belchem Dean of the Faculty of Arts, University of Liverpool 12 Abercromby Square, Liverpool L69 7WZ Phone: (0)151-794-2457 Fax (0)151-794-3765 | |
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2915 | 14 February 2002 22:00 |
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Subject: Introduction, and query
From: David Latane I've just joined the list, and am enjoying all of the posts. My research interests are focused on the Irish literary set in London, 1820-40 (roughly) particularly Maginn, both Crokers, Mahoney, and their associates. My greatest desiderata would be to locate any of Maginn's descendents (his granddaughter and nephew were alive in the 1930s when Thrall wrote _Rebellious Fraser's_, the only lengthy account of the last century). More pragmatically, I'd like to know if anyone has any advice on where to look for information about the Irish in the St. Giles district during this period. David Latane Dept. of English Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, VA 23284-2005 804-828-1331 dlatane[at]vcu.edu Editor, Victorians Institute Journal http://saturn.vcu.edu/~dlatane/VI.html Associate Editor Stand Magazine (Leeds, UK) http://saturn.vcu.edu/~dlatane/stand.html | |
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Marion Casey | |
From: Marion Casey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 7 Dear Paddy, May I suggest a video documentary on which I worked as Historian & Associate Producer? From Shore to Shore: Irish Traditional Music in New York City (VHS, 57 mins., Cherry Lane Productions, 1993) Patrick J. Mullins, producer & director, Rebecca Miller, writer & co-producer This documentary examines both the continuity and changes that have affected Irish traditional music since 1900. It traces the influence of family and community, Irish immigration and American popular culture on the traditional music played in New York today, especially how the urban environment has offered commercial possibilities as well as challenges. It shows how Irish traditional music became a powerful vehicle for the transmission of ethnic identity from generation to generation. Although now nine years old, From Shore to Shore remains a landmark film. Dirty Linen (August/ September 1994) called it ?a model of how such a film should be made? and the Christmas 2001 catalog for Celtic Grooves Imports (http://go.to/celticgrooves) called it "the best documentary yet on Irish traditional music?A real treat." More importantly, I believe From Shore to Shore has become an historic document in its own right. It captures a specific time and place (the late 1980s) but, because it was made with such care and objectivity, From Shore to Shore is not dated. Now it actually lends critical perspective to an ethnic subculture on the cusp of change ? none of us truly anticipated the Riverdance phenomenon! Patrick Mullins is currently completing a film based on From Shore to Shore outtakes that focus on the now defunct Snug Harbor Festival and emphasize the relationship of Irish dancing to the music. "Retrospective Reels" will be screened as part of the upcoming GRIAN conference at New York University on Friday evening, March 1st, at 7:00 pm, Cantor Film Center, 36 East 8th Stret, New York City. For further info see www.grian.org (note that the date IS March 1 not March 2 as the site incorrectly states). I also recommend Becky Miller's essay "Irish Traditional and Popular Music in New York City: Identity and Social Change, 1930-1975" in THE NEW YORK IRISH, Ronald H. Bayor & Timothy J. Meagher, eds. (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996), pp. 481-507. And my essay "Keeping the Tradition Alive: A History of Irish Music & Dance in New York City" in NEW YORK IRISH HISTORY, Vol. 6 (1991-92)(ISSN-1073- 8339). Best wishes, Marion R. Casey Department of History New York University | |
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2917 | 15 February 2002 17:00 |
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Devin G Harner | |
From: Devin G Harner
Subject: Music of Irish Diaspora 9 -- Some bands of interest Hi All, Here are some contemporary records of interest. I've included a quickly written bio. note about the bands. I'll post some relevant readings some time over the weekend. There's not a lot of scholarship about traditional bands -- and there's even less being written about the pop, punk, and folk hybrids that I include here. This is an important and overlooked area that I think warrants critical work hence my own project. If anyone wants to look at a draft of my introduction, or my chapters about any of these bands, I'd be happy to send you an attachment. Happy listening, Devin * * * Black 47. Fire Of Freedom. EMI, 1993. Home Of The Brave. EMI, 1994. Green Suede Shoes. Mercury, 1996. Live In New York. Shanachie, 2000. These guys are New York-based and pretty well known. This music could easily be on the radio. It's very pop -- in fact, Ric Ocasek of The Cars produced the first record and Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads produced the second. They had a video on MTV in the mid-nineties. But they've had limited commercial success since. The First two records are must-listen-to's. The band has a pipes player, a horn section, and a drum machine, and they fuse traditional, punk, reggae, and hip-hop very effectively. Of particular interest to us are singer, Larry Kirwan's, lyrics. He's also a playwright who's had some stuff produced in NYC and maybe London. Dropkick Murphy's. Do Or Die. Hellcat, 1997? Punk Band from Boston. Their first record was strong straight-ahead working-class inflected punk. They've since gone the 'traditional' route and added a pipes player and an accordion. But they pull this off with limited success. I just saw them play in London in January and the new material isn't as interesting. The harder they try to represent something 'Irish' in their live shows the more it comes across as an affectation. "Do Or Die" dealt with urban diasporic life in Boston honestly, albeit simplistically. Interesting tracks include a tribute to Belfast's Stiff Little Fingers (see below), a version of Finnegan's Wake, and a reworking of an old Kingston Trio song - -- now called "Skinhead on the MBTA." They've just released a cover of "The Wild Rover" with Shane MacGowan guesting on vocals. Flogging Molly. Swagger. Self-Produced. Check www.floggingmolly.com for information. A San Diego band mixing basic punk with a fiddle, accordion, and whistle. The singer, Dave King, writes decent songs reminiscent of Shane MacGowan, but FM aren't just an American version of The Pogues. Instrumentally they're not as accomplished, so they work the punk angle. But King's lyrics really do try to get at being an Irish immigrant on the West coast in the nineties. I tried to set up an interview with him last year and I talked to his wife on the telephone for a while, but I never heard back from King. Evidently they've got a new record coming out soon. The Pogues. Red Roses For Me. Pogue Mahone, 1984. Rum, Sodomy, And The Lash. Stiff Records Ltd., 1985. If I Should Fall From Grace With God. Island, 1988. Hell's Ditch. Island, 1990. Likely the best known of these bands. They blend traditional and punk brilliantly. If you haven't heard them yet, you're in for a treat. Shane MacGowan is considered one of the best songwriters of his generation. Disbanded since the early nineties, they just had a week-long reunion tour in the UK in December. MacGowan now plays with a band called The Popes. They've got a "Live In NYC" record coming out in a couple of months. It includes a bunch of traditional songs and a cover of Hank Williams' "Angel of Death." I've got a review copy and it's impressive -- now I'm looking for a place to publish the review. Stiff Little Fingers. Live Inspiration. Snapper, 2000. Based in Belfast. Reggae and punk fusion with a dose of pre-psychedelic American "Duke Of Earl"- style chord progressions and harmonies. Pacifist and D.I.Y. lyrics. They started in the mid-70s and are still touring. This record is a retrospective that includes a cover of The Wailers' Peter Tosh-penned "Johnny Was." | |
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2918 | 15 February 2002 22:00 |
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Ir-D Linda Colley at NYU | |
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af5[at]nyu.edu Subject: Linda Colley on British Atlantic, NYU (Feb 19-26) Prof. Linda Colley, Leverhulme Research Professor and School Professor in History at the European Institute, London School of Economics and Political Science, and historian in the fields of British, Imperial and Atlantic history, will give three talks at NYU between February 19-26. Best known as the author of BRITONS: FORGING THE NATION, 1707-1837 (Yale University Press, 1992), her new research project focuses on imperial and global experiences, "with close explorations of published and manuscript narratives by British and Irish men and women taken captives and/or changing sides in three zones of imperial contexts, the Mediterranean and North African coast, North America, and India." Tuesday, February 19, Rewriting Defeat, Composing Empire: The Captives of Mysore, 1780-1830. Time & Place:6:15PM, King Juan Carlos I of Spain Building, 53 Washington Square South (KJCC), Room 607 Thursday, February 21, "The Narrative of Elizabeth Marsh: Barbary, Sex and Power" Time & Place:2:00-4:00, KJCC, Room 607 Tuesday, February 26, New trends in Imperial and Atlantic History. Time & Place: 12:30-2:00, KJCC, Room 607 All activities are open to the public For more information about Professor Colley's activities at NYU, contact Antonio Feros (antonio.feros[at]nyu.edu) | |
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2919 | 15 February 2002 22:00 |
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anthony | |
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Subject: RE: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London Dear David Here are a couple of references which might be of use O'Neil, J Fifty Years Experience as an Irish Shoemaker in London. O'Neil (1777-1858) was a shoemaker, poor all his life. A self-taught poet, his memoir was published weekly in the shoemaker and leather-workers journal St Crispin between 8/5/1869 and 19/2/1870. Murphy, M 1992 St Patrick's charity school an orphan asylum, Soho: a study of a London Catholic poor school during the 19th century. From O'Neil is a quote I'm fond of. In September 1808, when John O'Neil, the bard of the temperance movement, came to London seeking his errant father, he was advised that as he was looking for an Irishman, he should go to St Giles, for there, "they all hang together, like a swarm of bees." | |
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Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London 3 | |
Subject: Re: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London 2
From: David Latane Dear Craig, Many thanks for your response. I have a copy of Hall's book--as a teetotaler and temperance man he was definitely the odd man out among London Corkers. I've dashed to the library and fetched the Exiles of Erin and the bibliography is indeed splendid--thanks. Best, david Latane ------------------- > > From: Craig Bailey > Subject: Re: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London > > Dear David, > > It is a little after your period but I think the bibliography of Lynn > Lees, Exiles of Erin (Manchester, 1979) is still probably the best place > to start for the Irish in St. Giles. > > I also seem to remember that Samuel Carter Hall, Retrospect of Long Life, > from 1815 to 1883 (London, 1883) contains bits about Maginn, Banim and > others. > > Hope this is of some help. > > Best, > > Craig Bailey > Institute of Historical Research > and King's College, London > email- iradven[at]yahoo.com > | |
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