From: Craig Bailey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Maginn/St. Giles, London

Dear David,

It is a little after your period but I think the bibliography of Lynn
Lees, Exiles of Erin (Manchester, 1979) is still probably the best place
to start for the Irish in St. Giles.

I also seem to remember that Samuel Carter Hall, Retrospect of Long Life,
from 1815 to 1883 (London, 1883) contains bits about Maginn, Banim and
others.

Hope this is of some help.

Best,

Craig Bailey
Institute of Historical Research
and King's College, London
email- iradven[at]yahoo.com


> Subject: Introduction, and query
> From: David Latane
>
> I've just joined the list, and am enjoying all of the posts. My
> research interests are focused on the Irish literary set in London,
> 1820-40 (roughly) particularly Maginn, both Crokers, Mahoney, and
> their associates.
>
> My greatest desiderata would be to locate any of Maginn's descendents
> (his granddaughter and nephew were alive in the 1930s when Thrall
> wrote _Rebellious Fraser's_, the only lengthy account of the last
> century).
>
> More pragmatically, I'd like to know if anyone has any advice on where
> to look for information about the Irish in the St. Giles district
> during this period.
>
> David Latane
>
> Dept. of English
> Virginia Commonwealth University
> Richmond, VA 23284-2005
> 804-828-1331
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>
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>

From: "Edmundo Murray"
Subject: Sources on Transport in Ireland 1840-50s

In order to fill several gaps on my research, I am looking for bibliographic
information
covering transport in the 1840-50's in Ireland.

It is surprising to me to verify that the current wealth of information for
the North Atlantic seaways
(immigrant ships, journals, etc.) is not balanced by concrete data on land
transport in Ireland and from Ireland to England. Particularly, I am
interested on: How emigrants moved from their home places - I am especially
interested on 1840's transport
from the Midlands (Co. Longford + Westmeath) to Dublin or to Wexford, and
from there to Liverpool.

Were they practised in horse riding (or that was a skill they learnt later)?
What kind of
vehicles did they use? What was the cost (eg. the cost of a trained horse)?
What routes were available? Were there any formal public land-transport/mail
companies? How did they go across the Irish Sea towards (for instance)
Liverpool? What was the cost of passage tickets? And so on. I would
appreciate it very much if anyone can provide reading guidance. Thank you,

Edmundo Murray
Université de Genève
7, rue du Quartier Neuf
1205 Genève
Suisse
+41 22 739 5049 (office)
+41 22 320 1544 (home)
edmundo_murray[at]hotmail.com
http://mypage.bluewin.ch/emurray

From: "Molloy, Frank"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

Paddy and colleagues,

As far as Irish music is concerned in Australia, it's hard to know where to
start, but probably any collection of folk music or any discussion about it
will include at least a mention of Irishness.

Collections:

Butterrs, Phil and Webby, Elizabeth, Penguin Book of Australian Ballads,
Penguin, 1993.
Burke, Colleen and Woods, Vincent, The Turning Wave: poems and songs of
Irish Australia, Armidale NSW: Kardooair Press, 2001.
Wannan, Bill, The Folklore of the Irish in Australia, Melbourne; Currey
O'Neil, 1980.

Discussion:

Reece, Bob, 'The Ballad of Maitland Gaol', in Exiles from Erin, ed. Bob
Reece, London: Macmillan, 1991, pp.112-134. There's another essay in this
book, also by Bob R on 'Frank the Poet'.
Butterrs, Phil, '"Convicted by laws of England's hostile crown": Popular
Convict Verse', in Irish Australian Studies, eds. Oliver MacDonagh and WF
Mandle, Canberra: ANU Press, 1989, pp.7-24.
Molloy, Frank, '"Exile of Erin": Irish experience and colonial reactions',
in Irish Australian Studies, eds. Richard Davis et al, Sydney: Crossing
Press, 1996, pp.90-102.
O'Donnell, Dorothy, 'Oirfidigh in Australia: Revival or Rebirth of
Traditional Irish Music" in Irish Australian Studies, 1996, pp.124-132.
Smith, Graeme, 'Irish Music and Social Institutions in Melbourne', in Irish
Australian Studies, eds. Philip Bull et al., Melbourne: La Trobe UP, 1991,
pp.217-227.

This is what I have to hand; I'm sure there are other collections and plenty
of discussions.

Frank

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From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
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To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

From:
Subject: Ir-D Music of the Irish Diaspora

Friends
Coming to this topic belatedly, I am struck (once again) by the
dominance of the American strand in such discussions of the Irish Diasporean
experience.

Contemporary manifestations of the tradition however, as elucidated by the
most recent contributors, seem to suggest a rare cultural synthesis at
last - which only goes to show that, paradoxically, it is to Rock 'n' Roll
that we owe the survival of the folk tradition...

As a former 'Sixties 'folk/ballad singer' who began by singing rock &
embraced folk (rather than the other way around - cf. Paul Brady) I see
modern Irish popular music ('popular music' being understood as meaning what
both 'traditional' and 'folk music' have always meant - ie, the popular
expression in music and song of the emotions of ordinary people - in other
words, 'Heartbreak Hotel' has the same validity & resonance as 'The Galway
Shawl') evolving as follows:

The music travelled to both England and America with the rural Irish between
the 18th century and the Second World War. In America in the late 19th/early
20th centuries it was taken on as a commercial proposition by the popular
music industry, catering to the various ethnic emigrant markets, and so was
recorded and thus preserved and disseminated both in America and Ireland -
with the help of collectors like Chief O'Neill).

In England it also survived, in the great Irish enclaves such as London's
East End (the 'Lambeth Walk' was essentially an Irish jig) and elsewhere,
but couldn't compete in the wider society with the drawing-room Irish
'respectability' of Moore's Melodies etc.

In Ireland in the 1930s the 'big bands' supplanted the traditional house
dances,and in 1936 the Dance Halls Act outlawed the latter, to the great
satisfaction of the rural Catholic clergy. Traditional music was eclipsed
and its exponents scattered by emigration. The really vibrant centres of the
music henceforth were in America.

Thence, in the early 'Sixties, came the theatrically inspired, almost
rocked-up delivery of traditional ballads by the Clancy Brothers. In Ireland
young, often urban, Irish people found they could relate to this new 'sexy'
delivery, and rejoiced that the guitar could be adapted to the traditional
sound, making those who played it at once 'cool' and 'patriotic'.

But in Britain Irish traditional music was still 'underground'. An often
alienated and ghettoised Irish minority expressed patriotic sentiment and
solidarity through musical gatherings, in favoured 'Irish' pubs in the
larger cities, the itinerant elements being stiffened by a hard core of
resident Irish-descent musicians and dancers.

In Ireland the younger musicians of my generation only survived by playing
the English Folk Revival club circuit until Irish publicans cottoned on to
the music's commercial potential - and the rest is history (oops).

For a comprehensive account of the Irish pre- Punk & pre-Riverdance music
scene in Britain see Reg Hall, Irish Music and Dance in London, 1890-1970
(Ph.D. Thesis, University of Sussex, 1994). I think it was subsequently
published...

An excellent novel setting out the death & re-birth of Irish traditional
music, as played by 'the plain people of Ireland', in the 20th century is:

Christy McNamara & Peter Woods, The Living Note: The Heartbeat of Irish
Music (O'Brien Press, Dublin, 1996) - the principal character bears an
uncanny resemblance to the Clare-born & Seattle-domiciled fiddler Martin
Hayes (the book also deals convincingly with labour migration to the
hospitals, harvest fields, & building sites of Britain).

I hope this isn't all too off the wall - all I can say in mitigation is
that, when much of what is revered today was coming into being, I was
there...stoned, perhaps, and therefore not a very reliable source, but thats
how I remember it!

Ultan

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Center for Scotch-Irish Studies

Call for Papers

Scotch-Irish Identity
Symposium: Philadelphia, May 2003

The Scotch-Irish in Industrial America
The Center for Scotch-Irish Studies invites proposals for papers and
sessions for the second Scotch-Irish Identity Symposium, which will be held
in Philadelphia in May 2003. The conference will focus on the Scotch-Irish
in industrial America.
A steady stream of emigration from Ulster brought skilled and unskilled
workers, entrepreneurs, bankers, ministers, educators, and shopkeepers to
American cities and towns from the late 18th through the 20th century.
These newcomers provided the impetus for industrial enterprises and,
especially in the textile industry, for the transfer of technology across
the Atlantic. In response to tariff challenges, several firms in Gilford
and Lisburn relocated to the United States. Other enterprising Ulstermen
went into retail trade, developed new concepts of marketing, and built chain
store empires. Others developed banks and networks for finance capital.
They made a major contribution to the growth of cities like Pittsburgh.

Much of this involved the chain migration of family members and neighbors
over more than one generation. In many cases, businessmen of Ulster
background provided jobs for emigrants from their former home and otherwise
facilitated emigration from Ulster.

Proposals and abstracts for papers and sessions dealing with any aspect of
this subject are welcome. These would include: case studies of chain
migration; immigrant life in American towns and cities; self-identity; the
role of churches, lodges, and friendly societies in the Ulster-American
community; relations with other ethnic and religious groups; and analyses of
economic, social, and religious movements impacting the Scotch-Irish
experience.

Proposals for papers may be submitted at any time to the Center for
Scotch-Irish Studies, PO Box 71, Glenolden, PA 19036-0071. Abstracts
(300?500 words) describing the paper proposed for this symposium must be
received by September 30, 2002. Authors will be informed by November 30,
2002, if their abstract has been accepted. The full text of the paper must
be delivered by March 1, 2003. Time for Symposium presentations will be
twenty to twenty-five minutes. Please contact the above address, telephone
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From: Devin G Harner
Subject: Relevant Critical Texts -- Music of Irish Diaspora 11


Hi All,

I hope this helps. I've included brief editorial notes again to save you
some time if you start looking into these texts. Also, most of these
works deal with rock, punk, or pop. As far as traditional goes... about
the only thing that I can mention - already mentioned by Marion Casey - is
Rebecca S. Miller's "Irish Traditional and Popular
Music in New York City: Identity and Social Change, 1930-1975" in THE
NEW YORK IRISH, Ronald H. Bayor & Timothy J. Meagher, eds. (Baltimore:
Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996).

Devin

* * *

Texts related specifically to the contemporary music of the Irish
diaspora:

Hewson, Paul. "Bono: The White Nigger." Across The Frontiers: Ireland In
The 1990s. Ed. Richard Kearney. Dublin: Wolfhound Press, 1988. 188.

I think that this essay by U2's primary lyricist has been anthologized
recently somewhere else. It would be great for an undergraduate course
because U2 is very timely -- and it brings up some interesting notions of
how music addresses notions of identity -- Irish and otherwise.

NOTE: There's a new critial collection of pop music essays that contains a
couple of good articles dealing with U2's work in the 90s. It's on NYU
Press, but I can't remember its name. I didn't deal with U2 (yet) in my
project. But I think they're worth considering.


O'Hagan, Sean. "I was there, helping to make history." Observer Review.
24 May 1998: 2.

Interesting article dealing with U2's appearance with Trimble and Hume at
the Waterfront.

Sabin, Roger. "I Won't Let That Dago By': Rethinking Punk And Racism."
Punk Rock: So What? Ed. Roger Sabin. London: Routledge, 1999.

Includes a brief discussion of Irish punk bands in London in the mid-70s.

Scanlon, Anne. The Lost Decade. London: Omnibus, 1988. 21 July 2001
.

Out-of-Print biography of The Pogues. Available online unofficially.

NOTE: There are now two current biography's of Shane MacGowan on the
market. One, "A Drink With Shane," was written by his wife, Victoria
Clarke, a columnist for The London Times. It's readable, but not
wonderful. Although it does include sections where Shane talks about
traditional Irish music and literature. The other, "London Irish Punk
Life & Music . . . Shane MacGowan," by Joe Merrick is as awkwardly written
as its title. It seems to be an unattributed rehashing of newspaper and
magazine articles about Shane and The Pogues. But if all you want is
background and an introduction to the music without having to dig around
on Lexis-Nexis it's almost readable.

Schoemer, Karen. "Recordings View: Punk-Rock Finds A Home In Ireland."
New York Times. 2 December 1990, late ed.: B32.

One of said newspaper articles that Merrick likely visited. Worth looking
at because, although it's not wholly accurate, it captures the commercial
peak of Irish inflected rock in the USA in the early 90s.

Saywers, June. "Complete Guide To Celtic Music." London: Aurum Press,
2000.

I picked this up at a discount place on Charring Cross Road. Its headnote
says "From Highland Bagpipe and Riverdance to U2 and Enya" - and since
it's not a very thick book I think it's overly ambitious. It might make a
good introduction for the potential record buyer, but it's pretty weak on
the contemporary stuff that I've been dealing with. Also, the writing's
not strong. It introduces Larry Kirwan without mentioning that he's the
lyricist for Black 47 in a chapter that had previously been dealing with
U2 -- I think.

Travers, Karen. "Black 47 On Music, Politics, And Ireland." Hoya 24
March 2000. 21 July 2000

Here's a decent relatively current interview with Black 47's Larry Kirwan.
I have my own interview with him, circa 1996, that I'll post if anyone's
interested.

Williams, William H. A. Twas Only An Irishman's Dream. Urbana:
University Of Illinois Press, 1996.

I think Paddy mentioned this text already. Mostly traditional, but it
helped me because there was some good discussion of "Stage Irish" in music
in America.

* * *

Relevant "academic" texts dealing with popular music critically:

Collin, Mathew. "This Is Serbia Calling: Rock and Roll Radio and
Belgrade's Underground Resistance." London: Serpent's Tail, 2001.

Discusses an underground radio station's role in Miloseviec's fall. A
friend of mine from the region doesn't buy Collin's thesis. But it's an
interesting book and a quick read.

Lipsitz, George. Dangerous Crossroads. London: Verso, 1994.

This is a good book to look at if you are interested in critical work
about rock/world music. There are chapters on The Neville Brothers,
Ronnie Spector, David Byrne, Paul Simon, Albert King, and lite reggae act
- -- Musical Youth.


Redhead, Steve. "The End Of The End-Of-The-Century Party." Rave Off.
Ed. Steve Redhead. Aldershot: Avebury, 1993.

About electronic music and rave culture in Manchester in the early 90s.

Ryback, Timothy. Rock Around The Bloc. New York: Oxford UP, 1990.

Neat book about music as a strategy of resistance in the former Soviet
Bloc countries.

Russell, Kristian. "Lysergia Suburbia." Rave Off. Ed. Steve Redhead.
Aldershot: Avebury, 1993.

Another article in "Rave Off."

Sinker, Mark. "Concrete, So As To Self-Destruct: The Etiquette Of Punk,
Its Habits, Rules, Values, And Dilemmas." Punk Rock: So What? Ed. Roger
Sabin. London: Routledge, 1999.

Jargony -- like its title, but a good critical book about punk in the UK
and the USA.

Devin G Harner
devo[at]UDel.Edu

From: harrisrd
Subject: RE: Ir-D Query, Transport in Ireland 1840-50s

Many others will probably chime in on this one, but the most common form of
transport in 19th century Ireland was walking, something we don't think of
today.

Ruth-Ann Harris

From: Jessica March
Subject: MacGill's Children of the Dead End

I am currently researching the publishing history of Patrick MacGill's
'Children of the Dead End' (1914) and wondered if anyone can help with the
following queries.

- - Was 'Children of the Dead End' ever published in any language other than
English?

- - Has it ever been formally censored in Ireland?

- - Can anyone suggest when 'Children' started to become popular in Ireland?
I believe it was first published in Ireland by Brandon Books in 1982, and
I'm wondering whether this was a response to a renewed interest in MacGill
or whether the marketing of the title by the Brandon was responsible for the
renewed interest.

- - Furthermore, does anyone know why 'Children' came back into print in
Britain in 1972, 58 years after it first appeared.

- I am awaiting the arrival of an inter-library loan U.S. edition, but
wondered, in the mean time, if
anyone can confirm whether or not the U.S. edition features changed
character names?

- - Is anyone aware of a source of information on the history of Irish
publishing? or a directory of Irish publishers, past and present, that one
can refer to for a brief résum
of individual publishing houses? I fear that no such resources exist,
but perhaps I've identified someone's next project?

Any other interesting details or references pertaining to 'Children of the
Dead End' would be most welcome too.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Yours ever,
Jessica March

DPhil Student in Irish Literature in the English Language
St John's College,
Oxford.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

1.
Palindromists throughout the world will be having a quiet celebration at 2
minutes past 8 this evening...

2.
My thanks to everyone who sent good wishes when I was ill recently. I was
not fishing for sympathy, though sympathy is nice - I was explaining my
inefficiency. And clearly I am not the only one who has suffered
inefficiency this (northern hemisphere) winter. What happens in the
south? - I remember some friends from Broom who said that everyone there
gets ill when the tourists arrive in the summer...

I am gradually getting back on top of things - and everyone who is expecting
something from me will receive that thing (usually a piece of writing) in
due course...

It has been decided here that I need a rest in a warm climate, to dry out
the pipes and tubes. So, the plan is that sometime in March we go to Canary
Islands. Perhaps to saunter along the Calle O'Daly.

I am practising my Spanish, a very sensible language...

Anita lava la tina...

3.
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era...?

The total membership of the Irish-Diaspora list is rapidly nearing 200 - not
an enormous number in itself, but in fact a significant proportion of the
scholars in the world who are interested in Irish Diaspora Studies...

The launch of our DIDI database, the database of Irish Diaspora Interests,
at irishdiaspora.net has, however, been met with something approaching
apathy... Oh well. I have put the DIDI instructions on irishdiaspora.net.

New members of the Irish-Diaspora list need to know that you can get into
our databases by clicking on Special Access at

www.irishdiaspora.net

Username irdmember
Current Password carnduff.

I will be updating the databases over the next few days...

Paddy

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Subject: Re: Ir-D Se van sus naves
From: Eileen A Sullivan

Paddy,

Do keep well enough to enjoy the Canary Islands. Too bad you can't join
me for a spell in Hawaii.
I'm leaving for Honolulu on Mom. Feb 25th and returning on March 20th
with a stopover in San Francisco for the 150th annual St Patrick's day
Parade. Would love to meet with you there!

Your own,
Eileen

Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director
The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332
3690
6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail :
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From: Sara Ellen Brady
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 8

Dear Paddy,

To add to Marion's recent posting re: music of the irish diaspora, I'm
forwarding the announcement of the new screening she mentioned, which
I've been organizing through the GRIAN Association with the help of
Patrick Mullins and others. I thought it might interest Ir-D members
and those in the NYC area could join us next week!

Best,
Sara


********************************************************************
The GRIAN Association Presents

From Shore to Shore:

Retrospective Reels

a new work-in-progress
by Patrick Mullins

Screening: Friday, March 1, 7:00 pm

Cantor Film Center, 36 East 8th Street, NYC


Post Show Discussion with filmmaker Patrick Mullins, Rebecca Miller,
Director of the annual Traditional Irish Music Festival at Snug Harbor
from 1982 to 1992, and Marion Casey, Assistant Professor and Faculty
Fellow in Irish American Studies, New York University Reception to
follow at Glucksman Ireland House, 1 Washington Mews

This GRIAN Community Event is free and open to the public

"From Shore to Shore: Retrospective Reels" takes a look back at New
York City?s Irish immigrant music community of the late 1980s through
video out-takes from the 1993 documentary "From Shore to Shore: Irish
Traditional Music in New York City." Using contemporaneous media images
to place the footage within the cultural context of this particular
time and place, the video features performances from the Irish Arts
Center?s 1988 and 1989 Irish Traditional Music Festivals at Snug
Harbor, Staten Island. "Retrospective Reels" also commemorates the
subsequent passing of a number of musicians and community members
featured in "From Shore to Shore." These include fiddler Martin Wynne,
melodeon player Tom Doherty, and musician and teacher Maureen Glynn
Connolly, as well as Mary Coleman Hannon, daughter of renowned Irish
traditional fiddler Michael Coleman, and her cousin Mary Coleman
O?Beirne, wife of fiddler James ?Lad? O?Beirne.


This event is sponsored by the GRIAN Association, The New York Council
for the Humanities, and Glucksman Ireland House.

For more information on GRIAN events, visit www.grian.org

Funding for the editing of "From Shore to Shore: Retrospective Reels"
was provided by the Irish Institute of New York, Inc. The non-profit
fiscal sponsor for the video is the New York Irish History Roundtable.
The original non-profit sponsor for production of "From Shore to Shore"
was the Irish Arts Center, New York City.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of the Manchester Irish Education Group.

Please distribute widely...

A regular feature of these Conferences in Manchester is the visit to the
Irish Collection at the John Rylands Library.

Of which more in a following message...

P.O'S.

Manchester Irish Education Group
National Irish Studies
Conference

16th March 2002
9.30 am.- 4.00 pm.
Manchester Town Hall


Remembering the Martyrs in Manchester: Irish processions in the late
nineteenth century.
Speaker Mervyn Busteed, University of Manchester

Irish Women and Trade Unionism
(In conjunction with the Transport & General Workers Union)

Speaker Baroness May Blood,
Northern Ireland Women's Coalition

Workshops
Seventy years of R.T.E. presented by Bill Sweeney
The Northern Patriot: Cultural Revivals in Belfast, presented by Catherine
Morris
The Children of Lir presented by Mary Warrener
The future of nationalism and republicanism presented by Kevin Bean
The Irish contribution to trade unionism presented by Michael Walsh
The War of independence and civil war through French eyes by Ian McKeane
Private visit to see the Irish treasures of John Rylands Library led by
Janet
Wallwork


Cost : £10 includes lectures, workshops teas/coffees

Booking; Walter Cassin 0161 445 932
or e-mail j.flynn[at]notes.manchester.gov.uk
Booking is advised as places are limited


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From: "D.C. Rose"
Subject: ~IrLit > Digest Number 36 (fwd)

For Information...

Review of Yeats speeches

Subject: Review of Yeats speeches

SPEECHES/DEAGLÁN DE BRÉADÚN

The Senate Speeches of W.B. Yeats. Edited by Donald R. Pearce, Preface by
Dr Anthony Roche. Prendeville Publishing Ltd, 168 pp, £7.50 sterling

Yeats was a great visionary but not a practical politician except maybe in
his own sphere of arts and the theatre. His Senate career is
best-remembered for the famous speech on divorce, but when you see it in
cold print it is oddly disappointing.

Yes, it contains the great and true warning to the fledgling Irish
government that if it banned divorce, it would never get the North. It is
a little unsettling, though, when he responds to Catholic triumphalism
with some counter- triumphalism of the Protestant variety although, being
Yeats, he does it in style:

"We against whom you have done this thing are no petty people. We are one
of the great stocks of Europe. We are the people of Burke; we are the
people of Grattan; we are the people of Swift, the people of Emmet, the
people of Parnell. We have created the most of the modern literature of
this country. We have created the best of its political intelligence."

Nevertheless, Colonel Maurice Moore, brother of Yeats's former literary
associate George Moore, went too far when he accused him in the subsequent
debate of taking "an absolute sectarian view of this matter".

Rest at
http://www.ireland.com/dublin/entertainment/books/yeats0802.htm

D.C. Rose
Department of English/Centre for Irish Studies
Goldsmiths College
University of London
SE14 6NW

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

As a footnote to Ultan Cowley's message...

Reg Hall's thesis is a lovely piece of work, a combination of historical
research, musical knowledge and personal experience...

I know of no plans to publish it, but it is becoming more and more known and
respected. I note that the British Library has shelved a bound copy of the
thesis on open shelves...

I have lost contact with Reg (we both did time in the Inner London Probation
Service...). I tried to find him for the Encylopaedia of Ireland. The
University of Sussex knew nothing about him. Reg used to play regularly at
The Favourite in London - but apparently those days are over. Short of
trudging round every Irish pub in London (which was, I think, suggested...)

It is impossible to find Reg's thesis in the catalogues unless you know his
full name...


University of Sussex Library Catalogue
Hall, Reginald Richard
Irish music and dance in London, 1890-1970 : a socio-cultural history/(by)
Reginald Richard Hall
D. Phil. 1994. BLDSC DX183456..

British Library Catalogue
Title: Irish music and dance in London, 1890-1970. a socio-cultural history
Author: Hall. Reginald Richard
Publisher Name: University of Sussex.
Date of Publication: 1994
Shelfmark: DX183456
Notes: PhD thesis


There are a few things about Reg on the Web...

http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/texts/hall.html

http://mag.irish-music.net/BckIssue/9608Aug/Tracking.htm

http://www.sussex.ac.uk/press_office/media/media38.html

And his sleeve notes for records and cds are often cited.

P.O'S.


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From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I recall on one visit to the Manchester Irish Education Group, Janet
Wallwork, of the John Ryland Library, allowed me to handle (in white gloves)
their copies of Francis O'Molloy's books. (Prionsias Ó Maolmhuaidh, Molloy
or O'Molloy)

You have to imagine some brave seventeenth century priest setting off to
Ireland, with his little Latin/Irish phrase book. Humbling.

From the Manchester catalogue

Molloy,Francis,fl. 1660

Grammatica Latino-Hibernica:nunc
compendiata, authore Rev. P. Fr.
Francisco O Molloy Ord. Min. Strict.
Obseruantiæ in Collegio S. Isidori S.
Theol. Professore Primario, Lectore
Iubilato, Et Prouinciæ Hiberniæ in Curia
Romana Agente Generali, [sic]

Publ.Details
Romæ:ex typographia S. Cong. de
Propag. Fide,MDCLXXVII. [1677]
Phys. Desc.
[12], 286 p (12mo.)
Notes
Text is in Latin and Gaelic.-With
half-title.-References: Wing (2nd ed.)
O291B; ESTC r216562.- Also available
as: Microfilm: Ann Arbor, Mich.:
University Microfilms International, 1988.
1 microfilm reel; 35 mm (Early English
books, 1641-1700; 1856:17).-With an
index

They also have his Irish catechism:

Author Molloy,Francis
Title Lucerna fidelium, seu Fasciculus
decerptus ab authoribus magis
versatis, qui tractarunt de doctrina
Christiana ...:(Catechismum in
linguam Hibernicam)
Publ.Details
Romæ:typis Sacræ Congreg. de
Propaganda Fide,1676
Phys. Desc. [iv] + 391 + viii p.;6.5"

There is a reasonable entry for O' Molloy in the Princess Grace Library
files
at:
http://www.pgil-eirdata.org/html/pgil_datasets/authors/o/OMaolmhuaidh,P/life
.htm

also one in the Catholic Encyclopedia at:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10442b.htm

and a mention here:
http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/literature_irish.htm

But we know very little about these brave little books. Who cut the
typeface?

P.O'S.


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From: Patricia Jameson-Sammartano
jamesam[at]si.rr.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 8

Marion, you read my mind; I was just about to post on this very subject!

Slan,

Patricia Jameson-Sammartano

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>
>
> From: Marion Casey
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 7
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> May I suggest a video documentary on which I worked as Historian &
> Associate Producer?
>
> From Shore to Shore: Irish Traditional Music in New York City
> (VHS, 57 mins., Cherry Lane Productions, 1993) Patrick J. Mullins,
> producer & director, Rebecca Miller, writer & co-producer
>
> This documentary examines both the continuity and changes that have
> affected Irish traditional music since 1900. It traces the influence of
> family and community, Irish immigration and American popular culture on
> the traditional music played in New York today, especially how the
> urban environment has offered commercial possibilities as well as
> challenges. It shows how Irish traditional music became a powerful
> vehicle for the transmission of ethnic identity from generation to
> generation.
>
> Although now nine years old, From Shore to Shore remains a landmark
> film. Dirty Linen (August/ September 1994) called it "a model of how
> such a film should be made" and the Christmas 2001 catalog for Celtic
> Grooves Imports (http://go.to/celticgrooves) called it "the best
> documentary yet on Irish traditional music.A real treat." More
> importantly, I believe From Shore to Shore has become an historic
> document in its own right. It captures a specific time and place (the
> late 1980s) but, because it was made with such care and objectivity,
> From Shore to Shore is not dated. Now it actually lends critical
> perspective to an ethnic subculture on the cusp of change - none of us
> truly anticipated the Riverdance phenomenon!
>
> Patrick Mullins is currently completing a film based on From Shore to
> Shore outtakes that focus on the now defunct Snug Harbor Festival and
> emphasize the relationship of Irish dancing to the
> music. "Retrospective Reels" will be screened as part of the upcoming
> GRIAN conference at New York University on Friday evening, March 1st,
> at 7:00 pm, Cantor Film Center, 36 East 8th Stret, New York City. For
> further info see www.grian.org (note that the date IS March 1 not
> March 2 as the site incorrectly states).
>
> I also recommend Becky Miller's essay "Irish Traditional and Popular
> Music in New York City: Identity and Social Change, 1930-1975" in THE
> NEW YORK IRISH, Ronald H. Bayor & Timothy J. Meagher, eds. (Baltimore:
> Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996), pp. 481-507. And my
> essay "Keeping the Tradition Alive: A History of Irish Music & Dance in
> New York City" in NEW YORK IRISH HISTORY, Vol. 6 (1991-92)(ISSN-1073-
> 8339).
>
> Best wishes,
> Marion R. Casey
> Department of History
> New York University
>
>
>

From: Patricia Jameson-Sammartano
jamesam[at]si.rr.com

Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora 4

there's also a fantastic documentary about traditional music called "from
shore to shore." marion casey, who now teaches at nyu, was the historian for
the project; she might be a good contact person.

slan,

patricia jameson-sammartano
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>
> From: Maureen E Mulvihill
> mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com
> Subject: Music of Irish Diaspora
>
> For Kenan Foley's upcoming course at Carlow College in Pittsburgh on the
> music of the Irish Diaspora, I would encourage Foley to visit the website
of
> violinist Brendan Mulvihill (now resident in Washington, D.C.), who has
> achieved a wide reputation in Irish music.
>
> Some of Brendan's work is available on Green Linnet records; and a
> documentary film of Brendan and his music was made by fellow-musician Mick
> Moloney (now resident in Philadelphia), whom I met just last week at the
> "Bloody Sunday" commemorative panel sponsored by New York University's
> Ireland House.
>
> Diasporic Irish Music is a rich field. This is but one of many (many)
places
> to begin.
>
> Slan,
>
> Maureen E. Mulvihill
> Princeton Research Forum, Princeton, NJ
> Residence: 1 Plaza W., Park Slope, Bklyn., NY 11217
> mulvihill[at]nyc.rr.com
>
>
>

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I notice that the Boston College Irish film series, February to April,
features a number of films that connect with recent Irish-Diaspora list
discussion...

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/irish/filmseries.html

SOUTHPAW: THE FRANCIS BARRETT STORY
Sunday, March 3
West Newton Cinema, 1296 Washington St., 7:00 p.m.

Southpaw: The Francis Barrett Story, directed by Liam McGrath. (2000, color,
77 minutes) Feature documentary tells the emotive story of two years in the
life of Francis Barrett, a nineteen-year-old traveller and amateur
welterweight boxer from Galway. Without electricity or running water, let
alone proper training facilities, Francis reached the highest level in
amateur sport and fulfilled a lifelong dream by qualifying for the Olympic
Games in Atlanta in 1996. He carried the Irish flag in the opening ceremony
and won his first fight by a record score. From nowhere, he became a
national hero. The film follows his boxing career, his marriage and his
relationship with his mentor Chick Gillen.


THE ROAD TO RECONCILIATION
Monday, April 8
Devlin Hall 001, 6:30 p.m.Campus Map

The Road to Reconciliation, directed by Paul Canney and Robert P. Connolly
(2002, color, 57 minutes), is a film about Northern Ireland and the
controversy surrounding unresolved abuses of human rights suffered by both
communities. This film takes an unflinching look at the human and social
cost of Northern Ireland's three decades of violence. Victims talk about the
terrible losses they have endured and how they have coped and their hopes
for the future. The documentary provides a historical overview of the
Northern Ireland conflict and also looks at the broader issues of peace and
reconciliation. Northern Ireland's key political leaders comment on the
peace process, the Good Friday Agreement, and the ongoing quest for
reconciliation and stability. Presented by filmmaker and Boston College
Irish Studies graduate Bob Connolly.


AS THE BEAST SLEEPS and DANCE LEXI, DANCE
Sunday, March 24
West Newton Cinema, 1296 Washington St., 7:00 p.m.

As the Beast Sleeps, directed by Harry Bradbeer. Cast: Colum Convey, Stuart
Graham, Patrick O?Kane. (2001, color, 75 min) Adapted from play by Mitchell
of same name. Two lifelong friends find the new found peace and rigidly
enforced ban on violent activity more tricky to handle than their former
lives of violence: Kyle and Freddie were both born, raised and groomed into
paramilitarism. Alienated by their new lives and identities, Freddie returns
to violence whilst Kyle is reluctantly recruited to head a crackdown on the
renegades who break the new rules of the cease-fire. A darkly compelling
exploration of how loyalties to families, friends and the loyalist cause
being tested to breaking point by the conflicting demands of the peace
process.

Dance Lexi, Dance, directed by Tim Loane (1996, color, 15 minutes), will
precede the film. This short drama, nominated for an Academy Award in 1998
as Best Live-Action Short, tells the story of Laura, a 12-year-old
Protestant girl who wants to be a Riverdancer when she grows up. Her newly
widowed father, struggling to raise his daughter as a single parent, and
surprised by his daughter's interest in a traditionally Catholic and
nationalist dance tradition, must re-conceive his role as parent both to
help her learn to dance and to come to terms with their mutual loss.

SUNDAY
Wednesday, March 13
Devlin 008, 5:00 p.m.Campus Map

Sunday, Written by Jimmy McGovern, directed by Charles McDougall, produced
by Gub Neal. This is the first time this film, which addresses the killings
lnown as Bloody Sunday, has been screened outside of the United Kingdom.
This film is a dramatised reconstruction of events in Northern Ireland
between 1968 and 1973. Although there have been minor changes to chronology
and certain events have been dramatised to aid clarity, this drama is based
entirely on fact using British Government documents, interviews, eyewitness
reports and court transcripts.

And more...

P.O'S.


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From: Patricia Jameson-Sammartano
jamesam[at]si.rr.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Music of Irish Diaspora

just a suggestion...mick moloney would be a good person to talk to on this.
i'm not sure where he is teaching right now.

slan,

patricia jameson-sammartano
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>
> From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> Music of/and/in the Irish Diaspora...
>
> We have had an interesting request from Kenan Foley, who teaches and plays
> music in Pittsburgh, USA.
>
> MESSAGE BEGINS>>>
>
> Dear Mr. O'Sullivan,
>
> I ran across your site while looking for information on Irish music. I am
in
> the early stages of developing a course syllabus for a class I plan to
teach
> possibly titled: Irish Music in the Diaspora. At this point I am still
> trying to define what a diasporic study of Irish music could encompass;
> Traditional, Irish Rock, Celtic-Jazz, etc. Can you suggest any readings or
> direct me to anyone who can help?
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Kenan Foley
> Lecturer, Music
> Humanities
> Carlow College
> Pittsburgh, USA
>
> MESSAGE ENDS>>>
>
> This is the kind of query that the Irish-Diaspora list is traditionally
good
> at. If we all quickly pool knowledge we will very soon have a useful
> bibliography and list of contact points - which will be in our archive for
> everyone to use.
>
> Let me stress again that Modesty is NOT an Irish Diaspora virtue. If your
> work is interesting and relevant let us hear about it.
>
> Paddy O'Sullivan
>

From: Patricia Jameson-Sammartano
jamesam[at]si.rr.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D US involvement in peace process

Linda,

You might have her try speaking with Niall O'Dowd of the Irish Voice/Irish
America. Another avenue to pursue is speaking with Joe Jamison of the
Irish-American Labor Coalition(NYS AFL-CIO). That might be of some help; I
know Joe was involved and is always helpful. I know the phone number's
local, the address is 160 Park Ave. South, NY, NY 8th floor, and the email
is Ialc[at]aol.com. No website. The UFT did later work endorsing the Charter
for Change, but the main thrust was provided by the IALC.

If you still need, email me tomorrow and I'll get the phone number for you.
Joe's good people; I'm sure he'll be only too happy to help your student.

Slan,

Patricia Jameson-Sammartano

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>
> From: Linda Dowling Almeida
> New York University
>
> "Almeida, Ed (Exchange)"
> Subject: US involvement in peace accords
>
> Belated thanks to all who responded to my query about Australian-Irish
> writers. Many of the titles suggested are out of print here, but we may
try
> Peter Carey's True History of the Kelly Gang, so the discussion on line
> regarding that book has been quite interesting.
>
> But I have a new call for help, this time for an undergraduate research
> project, I have a student interested in looking at why the US got involved
> in the Peace Process in Northern Ireland during the Clinton
administration.
> I can direct her to some website and newspaper archives, to Wilson's book
on
> US involvement, but are there any other suggestions that colleagues have
> used with success that she can use?
> Thank you.
>
> Linda Dowling Almeida
> New York University
>
>