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28 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 28 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.2f7F58C2921.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 8
  
Molloy, Frank
  
From: "Molloy, Frank"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 5

Patricia and collagues,

I too was at a Catholic grammar school in the north, at an earlier period,
the 60s, but Irish was not compulsory. My recollection is that it was only
in Christian Brothers' Schools that everyone had to do Irish. In diocesan
grammar schools that was not the case. Mind you, there was'nt a great deal
of choice at my school - Irish or Greek. Guess which one most boys took,
although I was in the Greek minority!! Certainly my recollection of friends
taking Irish is that the subject was not resented - going to Donegal every
summer was a plus. I too can't recall usefulness every being thought of,
except in relation to going to UCD where Irish was required to matriculate.
But then many of us didn't see any point to algebra. My choice of textbook
for the river...

Cheers,
Frank

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From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
[mailto:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 17:00
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 5




From: Patricia Walls
WallsAMP[at]aol.com
Subject: irish language


Dear Paddy,

A northern angle..

Having read Carmel's account of her experience of having to learn Irish, I
wonder if any study has been done comparing the situation in the north with
that in the south. I know there has been work done on the increase in
interest among northerners in the Irish language and the increasing numbers
of Irish schools in the north and how there have been some conflicts around
different agendas for such schools.

My understanding is that the Irish language was compulsory too in Catholic
schools in the north, in the grammar sector anyhow. When I was at secondary
school (74-81) but I don't think this is the case anymore, everyone had to
do an Irish 0 level and other languages if desired, but Irish was
compulsory. I don't recall any hostility towards either the language or this
practice. I loved learning Irish and reading books in the original and
although many of the texts were of an Ireland that did not mirror our
contempory experiences, the general perception was of finding out something
of Ireland's history as well, through various texts. Although learning Irish
was largely of no obvious later career value, this was not something which
anyone seemed to consider at the time, as I suppose learning Irish was
implicitly considered a part of our identities as Irish northern
disenfranchised Catholics and we were getting an opportunity which our
parents had been denied. I was struck when I moved to do a degree in Dublin
then in 1981 to find that southerners had a downer on the language and
seemed to have internalised notions of the inferiority of the language which
was not the case among my northern peer group. As teenagers we couldn't get
enough of going to the Donegal gaeltacht. We also felt our (Ulster) Irish
was superior to the language of southerners... And the only book I was ever
tempted to throw in a river was Wordsworth's Lyrical Ballads..

So I wonder what this adds, if anything to this discussion?

Paddy (de Bhal, this time)
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28 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 28 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Book, FOR PROTESTANT SELF-DETERMINATION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.D367372926.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Book, FOR PROTESTANT SELF-DETERMINATION
  
Forwarded on behalf of...

christopher hussey
cmhussey[at]hotmail.com

Subject: New book notice re Ulster / Irish question


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28 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 28 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.5b21CC32925.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 10
  
Sarah Morgan
  
From: Sarah Morgan
Subject: Loss of Language

More about Adrian Kenny's book in today's Irish Times at the following
address:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2002/0228/2317988565DIFEB28.html

Sarah Morgan.

An Irishman's Diary
By Kevin Myers

'Item one: a head. Item two: a parapet. Take item one, and raise it above
item
two. And then get it blown off. How? As follows.

The forthcoming report on compulsory Irish by Adrian Kenny claims what most
of us have known for years - that the entire programme has been a complete
disaster. Senator Joe O'Toole, who wrote the foreword, declares with a
certain
relish that this judgment will get the zealots out of the woodwork when it
appears next moth.'



-----------------------
Dr.Sarah Morgan
s.morgan[at]unl.ac.uk
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28 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 28 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Bilingual Education in Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.Ebd8c82927.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Bilingual Education in Ireland
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
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28 February 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 28 February 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.a2CB2924.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0202.txt]
  
Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 9
  
McCaffrey
  
From: McCaffrey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Language policy, Ireland 6

I find this discussion very interesting and want to add a few points to
my earlier post. I agree absolutely that any language ought to be
introduced at an early age and I think that the Dept. of Education was
correct in doing this. But I think they missed the boat for the
majority of students in that they did not make the Irish language
'relevant' to the everyday experiences of Irish children or to what was
socially going on at time. Also, the fact that it was compulsory to get
a pass in Irish to pass in Leaving Cert and matriculate was a torn in
the side of most students - not that it was hard to pass, it wasn't, but
time and again it was said that 'well, you can be a maths genius and
fail because of Irish' - this was a fairly common attitude. Resentment
grew from this and more so as students taking all their papers in Irish
had a 10% bonus added to their marks!
On Paddy's point about growing up in the north - I think this is worth
discussion. That was obviously a different experience and culture and
language played a different role. In Dublin, where I was growing up
anyway, we were cock sure of ourselves as 'Irish' . Middle class, with
the world at our feet, we felt. It was a time we lauded the heroes of
1916 and knew that we had beaten the Brits and to be Irish was not to be
second rate. ' Irish by birth and a Dub by the grace of God' was pretty
much the feeling! So the language was not something that we needed to
affirm ourselves. On the contrary, we were being urged to look east to
Europe and the developing EC and to take our place with the nations of
the world. In the classroom the Irish language was the voice of 'old'
Ireland, as it was presented. I agree that now I find many of those old
stories fascinating and I have grown to love the language [actually have
taught it on occasion] but I am trying to make the point that to the
kids in the classroom it was simply dull to read about isolated rural
communities living without any modern conveniences. This was a mistake
because to revive a language takes more than just teaching it from age
4. I believe it has to have relevance to the everyday social lives of
the people. As it was presented in the classroom Irish represented an
Ireland that we were trying and being urged to leave behind - and the
Celtic Tiger has certainly done that!
Carmel
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1 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 01 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D More on music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.f68d7D2932.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D More on music
  
Devin G Harner
  
From: Devin G Harner
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: More on music


Hi All,

I've posted two chapters of my project on contemporary music to the
www.irishdiaspora.net archives. I'll get the rest up this weekend.

cheers,
Devin
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1 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 01 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Databases Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.7D1A2934.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D Databases Update
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For access to the RESTRICTED area of irishdiaspora.net...

Go to
Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net

Click on Special Access, at the top of the screen.

Username irdmember
Current Password madden

Note the changed password.

That gets you into our RESTRICTED area.

Click on RESTRICTED, and you have access to our two databases...

DIRDA - the Database of the Ir-D Archive...
DIDI - the Database of Irish-Diaspora Interests...

Log out by clicking on irishdiaspora.net at the top of the screen.

Scholars who are using the guest username need to contact me directly,
because that username's password has also changed.

P.O'S.


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1 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 01 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D people of color in irish drama MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.3ffB52928.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D people of color in irish drama
  
Sara Brady
  
From: Sara Brady
Subject: people of color in irish drama

Greetings,

I have a student who wants to write a research paper on people of color
in irish drama, meaning either Irish playwrights of color or plays
dealing with the subject. I could only think of Gabriel Gbadamosi, who
is of Nigerian/Irish descent.

I'm wondering if anyone out there on the list might have some
suggestions?

Many thanks,

Sara Brady
sara.brady[at]grian.org
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1 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 01 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D people of color in irish drama 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.6Ffbdb182929.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D people of color in irish drama 2
  
EibhlinEvans@aol.com
  
From EibhlinEvans[at]aol.com

Sara Brady,

In response to your request for information on people of color in Irish
drama you could look at Roddy Doyle's recent play 'Guess Who's Coming for
the Dinner. Premiered at last October's Duiblin Theatre Festival with
Maynard Eziashi as Ben, the black boyfriend of a young Dublin woman, it is
inspired and based loosely on the 1960's film of almost the same title.

Although it was a sellout at the festival I was unimpressed.

Eibhlín Evans
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Ir-D people of color in irish drama 3
  
dcrcfp@netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
  
From: dcrcfp[at]netscape.net (D.C. Rose)
Subject: RE: Ir-D people of color in irish drama

Rio Rita in The Hostage?

D.C. Rose
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D.C. Rose

Editor, THE OSCHOLARS
Department of English / Centre for Irish Studies
Goldsmiths College
University of London
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars
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1 March 2002 06:00  
  
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Ir-D people of color in irish drama 4
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

There are 2 plays by Dion Boucicault, Jessie Brown or The Relief of Lucknow
(1858), and - perhaps more significant - The Octoroon , or Life in Louisiana
(1859).

Both plays are in Peter Thomson's edition, Plays by Dion Boucicault,
Cambridge UP, 1984, 1989. Thomson says that 'For a playwright to write a
play about slavery in America in 1859 was necessarily to take a risk...'
The plays pre-figure the application of the devices of comic melodrama to
Irish themes in The Collen Bawn (1860), Arrah-na-Pogue (1864), The
Shaughraun (1874 and also in Thomson's collection).

P.O'S.

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2 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 02 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D people of color in irish drama 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.4a6CFDA82933.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D people of color in irish drama 5
  
William H. Mulligan, Jr
  
From: "William H. Mulligan, Jr"
Subject: Re: Ir-D people of color in irish drama


In 1997 I attended a play "Asylum! Asylum!" by Donal O'Kelly in Cork. One of
the central characters was an African asylum seeker in Ireland.

Bill Mulligan
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4 March 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 04 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Celtic Geographies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.Cd0Df42939.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D Celtic Geographies
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan

On a train of thought...

From the same publisher who paid me with a copy of Cronin & Adair on St.
Patrick's Day I got a copy of...

Celtic Geographies
Old Cultures, New Times
Edited by: David C Harvey, Rhys Jones, Neil McInroy, Christine Milligan

It is rather a frustrating read - the ghost of Chapman, The Celts: The
Construction of a Myth hovers over the whole enterprise... For my review of
Chapman see
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/
The contributors thus spend a lot of time quarrelling with the notion of
'the Celt', or justifying the notion, before focussing on one or other
expression or appropriation of 'celticity...'

P.O'S.

From the publisher's web site...

http://www.routledge.com/

EXTRACT BEGINS>>>
Celtic Geographies
Old Cultures, New Times
Edited by: David C Harvey, Rhys Jones, Neil McInroy, Christine Milligan

ISBN:
0415223970

Pub Date:
21 DEC 2001

Type:
Paperback Book

Price:
£19.99

This book critically examines the notion of Celticity from a geographical
perspective and explores the ways an old culture is being reinvented to
serve the needs of a particular group of people in these new times.

Contents:
1. Timing and Spacing Celtic Geographies, David Harvey, Rhys Jones, Neil
McInroy and Christine Milligan 2. Imagined Geographies of the 'Celtic
Fringe' and the cultural construction of the 'other' in medieval Wales and
Ireland, Keith D. Lilley 3. "Their families had gone back in time hundreds
of years at the same place": attitudes to land and landscape in the Scottish
Highlands after 1918, Iain Robertson 4. Identity, hybridity and the
institutionalisation of territory: on the geohistory of Celtic devotion,
Gordon Macleod 5. Welsh identity in the 21st century, John Osmond 6. Sites
of authenticity: Scotland's new parliament and official representations of
the nation, Hayden Larimer 7. Our common inheritance? Narratives of self and
other in the Museum of Scotland, Steven Cooke and Fiona McLean 8.Tourism
images and the construction of Celticity in Ireland and Brittany, Euan Hague
10. Whose Celtic Cornwall? The ethnic Cornish meet Celtic spirituality, Amy
Hale 11. Edifying the rebellious Gael: the uses of memories of Ireland's
troubled past in the West of Scotland Irish diaspora, Mark Boyle 12. From
blas to bothy culture: the musical re-making of Celtic culture in a
Hebridean festival, Peter Symon 13. Celtic nirvanas: constructions of Celtic
in contemporary British Youth Culture, Alan M Kent 14. Geography of Celtic
appropriations, John G Robb Bibliography

EXTRACT ENDS>>>


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Date: 04 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Literacy skills of emigrants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.64FA4C2936.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D Literacy skills of emigrants
  
Gray, Breda
  
From: Gray, Breda
b.gray[at]ucc.ie
Subject: Query for the Ir-D list


Dear Paddy
I have had the following query from a colleague in Dublin and wondered if
anyone on the list could help out?

Breda Gray

In 2001, I undertook a study on the literacy and language needs of asylum
seekers for the Department of Education and Science in Ireland. I am
currently writing up the results and need to draw on the experiences of
Irish emigrants in my analysis. In particular, I am looking for literature
pertaining to Irish adults who went abroad with little or no literacy skills
in Irish or English and who then successfully acquired them when they
emigrated (either through education or autonomous learning) - Tayna Ward.
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Date: 04 March 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D A History of St Patrick's Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.Df2A2935.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0203.txt]
  
Ir-D A History of St Patrick's Day
  
Daryl Adair
  
From Daryl Adair
planetadair[at]pop.ozemail.com.au

Subject: A History of St Patrick's Day

Dear colleagues,

My name is Daryl Adair of the University of Canberra, Australia. I am a new
member of the Irish Diaspora list. When I joined, Patrick O'Sullivan kindly
mentioned to me that he had advised list members of the publication of my
book (co-authored with Mike Cronin) The Wearing of the Green: A History of
St Patrick's Day. I've now tracked down this message (reproduced below), so
I'd like to respond to a couple of the thoughtful points that Patrick has
raised.

(1) Publisher's blurb. I agree that the blurb is excessive; Mike and I
protested as much. So I'm pleased that Patrick has noted our far more modest
claims in the book itself.

(2) Confusion over book title. "The Wearing of the Green" was the choice of
the publisher. We had suggested "Parading the Green" because that was
consistent with our focus on 17 March parading. We were also concerned that
the phrase "The Wearing of the Green" had appeared on other books. But the
publisher was excited about this title because it could be linked to Dion
Boucicault's well known poem of the same name.

(3) 'Ownership' of St Patrick's Day. This is, indeed, a key theme of the
book. Its inspiration comes from several historians of the Irish diaspora,
though most notably those interested in the Australian experience - Patrick
O'Farrell, Ken Inglis, and Oliver MacDonagh.

Finally, Mike Cronin and I hope our history of St Patrick's Day is readable
and of practical use. It was certainly not conceived as the 'final word' on
the subject! It is but one constribution towards the study of a
fascinating, ever-changing ritual, and our collective understanding of the
Irish diaspora generally.

Cheers,

Daryl Adair
University of Canberra
Australia
_______________________________________________________

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:00:00 +0000
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D History of St. Patrick's Day

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I now have an advance copy of

The Wearing of the Green
A History of St Patrick's Day
Mike Cronin, Daryl Adair

ISBN:
041518004X

(I did some work for the publisher - and they have paid me in books... How
to build a library...)

There is more information and contact point at...
http://www.routledge.com/

On the theme of publisher's blurb... Some of my contacts have been
irritated by this publisher's blurb making excessive claims. The authors
themselves are more circumspect - 'We make no claim about having produced a
conclusive or even comprehensive historical analysis of St. Patrick's Day'
(p xxiii)

It is in fact an Irish Diaspora Study, one of the few that we possess -
looking at the different ways that St. Patrick's Day has been owned and
used, for the most part over the past 200 years, throughout the Irish
Diaspora. There are some little gaps that specialists might notice, but a
mass of material has been digested, and is thoroughly referenced. Patrick
O'Farrell is in there, as one of the people who has previously considered
the question of 'ownership' of the Day.

So, I think the book works. As an intriguing Irish Diaspora Study. There
are always tensions within a diaspora, between the diaspora and the
homeland, and between the different arms of the diaspora. The Irish
tradition has been to disguise, or at least not to study or give prominence
to, such tensions. Cronin and Adair have found a way to explore and make
visible tensions within one diaspora.

Highly recommended.

(Note: There is a possibility of confusion - another recent book with a
similar title is Michael Herbert, The Wearing of the Green: A Political
History of the Irish in Manchester, ISBN 0-954-378-0-9, published by The
Irish in Britain Representation Group.)

P.O'S.

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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit
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The March edition of THE OSCHOLARS, the on-line journal of Wilde studies,
has now been posted to its website.
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/oscholars.
To subscribe e-mail me at
oscholars[at]netscape.net


D.C. Rose, Editor
Department of English/Centre for Irish Studies
Goldsmiths College
University of London
SE14 6NW
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From: Dave Featherstone

Conference of Irish Geographers, May 3rd - 5th 2002 At the Academy for
Irish Cultural Heritages, University of Ulster, Magee Campus.

Session on:
Historical Geographies of Atlantic Resistances and Irish Subaltern
Politics

Recent work has emphasised the importance of Irish subaltern movements and
their connections with Atlantic routes and networks of radical ideas,
practices and experiences (Linebaugh and Rediker, 2000, Rodgers, 1996).

This session aims to bring together researchers working on the historical
geographies of Irish subaltern politics. It particularly seeks
contributions on the relations of Irish resistance politics to Atlantic
networks and routes of resistance. The session seeks contributions
relating to multiple forms of subaltern resistances. These would include
the politics of labour combinations and unions, of agrarian politics and
secret societies, of nationalisms, contestations of gender relations and
the political activity of marginal groups like travellers or migrant
labourers. Contributions are also sought on how subaltern struggles
contested dominant spatialities and ways of ordering environments and
materials. The session seeks contributions on the exclusions constituted
by subaltern struggles, such as the masculinities performed through
particular forms of labour politics, as well as on the forms of
co-operation and contestation of unequal power relations.

Please send abstracts to Dave Featherstone, Department of Geography, Open
University, Walton Hall, Milton Keynes, MK7 6AA by 15th March, 2002.

D.J.Featherstone[at]open.ac.uk

01908 654507/ 266022
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That useful man, bookdealer Chris Ryan, has issued a new catalogue of his
books of Irish interest...

Contact...

Ryans Books

Email
trinitycourt[at]btinternet.com

Address
18 Trinity Court.
Grays Inn Road.
London, LON
United Kingdom WC1X. 8JX.

Phone
020 7837 1869

Fax
020 7837 1869

Chris Ryan now has a web presence through abebooks...
http://www.abebooks.com/

(which is an increasingly useful site...)

Chris Ryan is at
http://www.abebooks.com/home/RYANSBKS/

But he is happy to send out his printed catalogue...

P.O'S.


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Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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Irish-Diaspora list
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Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England
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This is maybe a separate train of thought, rather than a direct contribution
to the 'people of colour in drama' strand. Sorry - 'color...'

I recall that Dale Cockrell, Demons of Disorder: Early Blackface Minstrels
and Their World (New York: Cambridge University Press, 1997) suggested that
one of the routes towards the creation of the 'blackface' minstrelsy lay in
the many thousands of 'blackface' roles in legitimate stage drama. Notably
of course Shakespeare's Othello. I do not have Cockrell's book here - but I
wonder if that book might not offer a way of quickly noting 'blackface'
roles in stage drama...

Peter Quinn's novel, Banished Children of Eve, makes much of Irish
involvement in and creation of blackface minstrelsy - so much that we might
wish that he had further followed that nineteeth century tradition and given
us a novel with footnotes...

There are some footnotes in Noel Ignatiev, How the Irish became white - but
I have never seen this Irish involvement adequately addressed or
theorised... Oh I don't know - maybe Homi Bhaba on 'hybridity', 'mimicry'.
Or maybe it was just one of those things...

Paddy


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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050

Irish-Diaspora list
Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/
Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England
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The following item has been brought to our attention...

P.O'S.

Nouveau : disponibilite du "BE Irlande"]

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