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Date: 09 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D New Hibernia Review, June 2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.0b5Ce4e3139.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D New Hibernia Review, June 2002
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan


Forwarded on behalf of

Thomas Dillon Redshaw, Editor, New Hibernia Review
TDREDSHAW[at]stthomas.edu

New Hibernia Review


Dear Folks,

Many of you are probably disporting youserlves in Milwaukee as I
write this. I am tied to my desk completing the second issue of the sixth
volume of New Hibernia Review.

I thought I would take the chance to let you know what is in the
forthcoming issue, especially I missed the chance to post the contents of
the first 2002 issue. Alas, I was travelling through Java in the middle of
the monsoon season at that time.

In the June, 2002, issue of New Hibernia Review you will find these
feature articles:

Julie Henigan writing on storytelling and the genre of the lying
story in Synge's The PLayboy of the Western World;

An analysis of late nineteenth-century and early twentieth-century
satire on the class pretensions of upwardly mobile Irish America by William
H. A. Williams;

A selection of edgy and regretful poems by Dennis O'Driscoll;

Stephen Watt's exploration of Beckett's presence in Bernard
McLaverty's novel Grace Notes;

A consideration of Heaney's Beowulf and of Heaney as Caedmon by
Joseph McGowan;

Ann McCarthy's consideration of historiography in the Irish
schoolroom as prompted by McGuinness's play Mutabilitie;

A companion essay on the Armada landings as allegorically recorded
in Spenser's The Faerie Queene by Thomas Herron;

Joseph F. Connelly's essay on the narrative arts of Jack B. Yeats's
paintings and early fictions;

and a selection of "Backward Look Essays" by Síghle
Bhreathnach-Lynch, Brendan Rooney, and Anne Kelly on
Twelve Irish Painters (1940);

as well as the usual book reviews, editors' notes, and the citation
recognizing the accomplishments of Frank Ormsby, winner of the 2002 Lawrence
A. O'Shaughnessy Award.

If you are interested in subscribing to New Hibernia Review or in
contributing to its pages, please contact James Rogers, Managing Editor, by
e-mail (jrogers[at]stthomas.edu) or by post: Center For Irish Studies 5008,
University of St. Thomas, St. Paul, Minnesota 55105-1096, USA.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Yours,
Thomas Dillon Redshaw, Editor, New Hibernia Review
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Date: 09 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Football 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.8eD70C3142.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Football 5
  
  
From:
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Football 4

Good analogy, Piaras

Will the Corkmen take it to its logical conclusion: '...shot in the back -
by one of their own!'

Ultan


irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

<
< Paddy
<
< I have to tell you about the latest t-shirt on the streets here in Cork.
It
< says Michael Collins and Roy Keane: Two Great Corkmen shot in the back..
<
< Piaras
<

(Moderator's Note:

Oooh-er.

Steady now, boys...

P.O'S.)
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Ir-D Football
  
James O'Keeffe
  
From: "James O'Keeffe"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Gone to Paris


Paddy

The Irish team do not seem to be missing Roy Keane, Damien
Duff is pulling them along with the quality of his wing
play. I believe Mick McCarthy's Dad came from Waterford
although I do not know where his Mother originated from.

In the context of the Diaspora, I think McBride of the USA
team deserves a mention for the American's third goal.

Bon voyage

Jim

----------------------
James O'Keeffe
School Administrator
School of Education
j.okeeffe[at]unl.ac.uk
tel: 0207 753 5104
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Date: 09 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.f0fb0F3140.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London 2
  
anthony
  
From: "anthony"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London

Dear Maria
I think it's a good idea. There must be a lot of people within the
London area who could attend. I'd certainly give a paper...if anyone
would listen.

Anthony McNicholas
Research Fellow
University of Westminster
0118 948 6164 (BBC Written Archive Centre)
07751 062735 (mobile)


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From: "Maria Power"
To:
Subject: Irish Seminar in London

Hi Everyone,

I've been thinking for a while that it is a shame that we have no
regular Irish Studies Seminar in London at which people in the field of
Irish Studies can present papers and share ideas. I know there is an
Irish Literature seminar at Goldsmiths but there isn't one that covers
everything.

I'm thinking of trying to set a regular seminar series up at the
Institute of Historical Research in Malet Street and was wondering
what everyone thought of the idea. Do you think that it would last?
Would any of you be willing to give papers? Has this been tried before?
Finally are there any souls out there brave enough to help!

Let me know what you think. Any feedback on the idea would be gratefully

received.


Maria Power
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Date: 09 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Glasgow Celtic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.a6BE3143.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Glasgow Celtic
  
Thomas J. Archdeacon
  
From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
Subject: Glasgow Celtic
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

Greetings to all:

Well, thank goodness for the brief respite from purely intellectual musings
to consider matters of true importance -- i.e., football/soccer. May the
USA, Ireland, and the UK go as far as their skills will take them, and then
a bit beyond.

Now that we're on this tack, perhaps some of you closer to the UK scene than
I can help me with answers to a couple of questions.

Even many persons uninterested in sports know that the historic rivalry
between Celtic and Rangers had strong ethnic/religious overtones, perhaps
played up by but also kept in control by the desire of both franchises to
make money. Several years ago, I noticed that the Celtic uniform/kit
features what I would call a four-leaf clover. That unfortunately stirs an
irritation that usually afflicts me only near St. P's Day in the US, when
confusion of the four-leaf clover, which connotes luck in America (at
least), and the shamrock becomes rampant.

I know that, in the remote past, Celtic uniforms displayed shamrocks and
crosses. (I am also aware that the team still uses the shamrock theme for
some paraphernalia). When I contacted Celtic and asked when and why the
team adopted the four-leaf logo, I got a corporate response that danced
around the question. My historian's suspicion is that the adoption had
something to do with "assimilation," and I would love to learn how it was
explained at the time. Regarding the time, I haven't a clue, although my
first bet would be on the post-WW II era.

Whether or not you can help me on that first question, perhaps you can fill
me on one or more parts of this second one. I imagine that, to some greater
or lesser degree, "primordial ties" affected allegiances in other towns,
especially in northern England. Manchester U v. Manchester City, for
example, and Liverpool v. Everton. Am I correct about that? What were the
breakdowns for those towns, and are there other examples as well?

Thanks.

Tom

Thomas J. Archdeacon
Department of History
University of Wisconsin -- Madison
4135 Humanities Building, Mailbox 4026
455 North Park Street
Madison, Wisconsin
USA

608-263-1778
608-263-5302 (fax)
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9 June 2002 12:57  
  
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:57:00 +0100 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: H-Net List for British and Irish History [mailto:H-ALBION[at]H-NET.MSU.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Gorrie Subject: Re: Military half-pay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.aC23B3187.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Re: Military half-pay
  
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:11:20 -0400
From: "Adam Lynde"

An older work that deals with the origins, workings, and abolition of
half-pay is Charles M. Clodes "Armed Forces of the Crown," published circa
1869. Aside from the inherent problems of a book that is as much artifact
as anything else, Clode possessed certain biases of which the reader should
be wary. For example, if I remember correctly he opposed the abolition of
the purchase system. You might also try Alan Guy's "Economy and
Discipline." I did a MA at the University of New Brunswick on regular
officers in the Loyalist formations of the War of Independence, and
necessarily dealt with half-pay at some length (but alas, that was a long
time ago, and I doubt the thesis is available on 'film or loan).

Adam Lynde
Kleinburg, Ontario
tomgage[at]interlog.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:05:00 +0100 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: H-Net List for British and Irish History [mailto:H-ALBION[at]H-NET.MSU.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Gorrie Subject: Re: Catholic Local Councillors - Newcastle Labour Councillors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.AE76Ac733188.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Re: Catholic Local Councillors - Newcastle Labour Councillors
  
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 04:08:33 EDT
From: DaveLannon[at]aol.com

I suspect a substantial case can be made to demonstrate that the Catholic
Church did encourage its members to play an active part in politics. Perhaps
the following points may serve as useful pointers.

From 1870 onwards Catholic paid twice for their Catholic Schools. To try to
obtain better State financial support, bishops encouraged all Catholics who
could vote (not many at the time because of the very restricted franchise
based mainly on wealth or property) to register. They were then encouraged
to
vote for whoever would support the Catholic School cause. Dermot Quinn in
"Patronage and Piety - The Politics of English Roman Catholicism 1850-1900"
(Stanford University Press 1993) judged their efforts to have been
unavailing
but errs, I believe, in his judgement. Bishop, later Cardinal Vaughan led a
campaign under the title "Voluntary Schools Association" which bore fruit
when the 1897 Voluntary Schools Act was passed and dioceses, individually or
in pairs, formed associations to channel the government grants.
Interestingly
the Anglican had 50% lay representation. Catholics had 33% for as one priest
explained, there were not enough qualified laymen around at the time. The
VSA
became obsolete when the 1902 Education Act became law

One effect of this was the presence of clegy and laity used to working
together. When in 1906 the Liberals tried to undo the 1902 Act, the Church
had a cohesive group to defend their schools. I suspect the Liberal failure
was seen as a success by these Catholics even though the real cause of the
Liberal defeat was the Anglican bishops and their supporters inj the House
of
Lords.

Bishop Casartelli founded the Catholic Federation shortly after he was made
Bishop of Salford in 1903. This had some influence in getting working
Catholics to get involved in both political and trade union action, although
the anti-socialist stance of Tom Burns, the general secretary, and his blunt
rudeness did little to endear him to many bishops. The Catholic Federation
did, I think, have quite strong representation in Newcastle. It died out as
an organisation in the 1930s.

Some years later the Catholic Social Guild was formed. J. M. Clery wrote its
history in "Catholic Social Action in Britain 1909-1959" (C.S.G. Oxford
1961). Thie CSG was very influential for over half a century but died out in
the mid 1960s. It used parish based study groups to help lay Catholics study
and implement Catholic Social Teaching as outlined in the two papal
encyclicals. It also published many pamphlets on social questions. I have a
substantial holding of then in the Salford Diocesan Archives.

Another element was the founding in Belgium after WW1 of the Jocist
movement,
know in England as the Young Christian Workers (YCW). This used a See Judge
Act technique by which small groups of youngsters (pre marriage age) met,
prayed, studied and acted to improve their local situation. The YCW was
strong until WW2 and saw a renewal in the 1950s.

Fr Blake SJ and others led a series of "retreats" for servicmen during WW2
and after under the general theme of moral development. These often proved
very influential for the individual servicemen who attended. Their effects
were later carried into civilian life.

In Manchester and I think Newcastle there were for many years a Catholic
Transport Guild uniting Catholic together who worked on the trams and buses.
Indeed there used to be a quip about having to be a Catholic to get a job on
Councillor Boylan's trams and buses!

The social consciousness encouraged by these different organisations does
mean that among Catholic laypeople there was a significant group of trained
and informed individuals used to taking decisions and action. As these
people
grew older, activity in trade union and party political affairs would have
been natural to them.

Finally I would refer to two chapters in a recent book "From Without the
Flaminian Gate" edited by V. Alan McClelland and Michael Hodgetts (Darton
Longman and Todd, 1999)
In his chapter "Who are the Laity", Fr James Pereiro laments the absence in
British Catholicism of the type of Catholic Action found in the Continent.
Jeffrey P. von Arx in his chapter "Catholics and Politics" outlines the
English Catholic vision, influenced by Cardinals Wiseman and Manning, that
there would be no Catholic party or trade union in the U.K., but that there
would be Catholic politicians and trade unionists in every party and union.
These two chapters, to me, are like the two sides of the same coin.

I hope this helps. Do contact me if you need further information.

David Lannon

Archivist, Salford Diocesan Archives
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Didgeridoo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.51Ca563146.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Didgeridoo
  
=?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
  
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
Subject: Re: didgeridoo
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

My recent article claiming Irish language origin for
the word 'didgeridoo' is on the Melbourne magazine
Táin's web page: http:www.tain.net.au
I would be appreciate any comments.

Dymphna Lonergan
Flinders University of South Australia

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Everton & Liverpool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.bdF2DaE3145.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Everton & Liverpool
  
FNeal33544@aol.com
  
From: FNeal33544[at]aol.com
Subject: Re: Ir-D Glasgow Celtic
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

There is a folk belief among those not from Liverpool that Liverpool was and
is a 'Protestant' team while Everton was 'Catholic' team. There is little
evidence to support such a claim.It is true that Everton has had a number of
Irish players in the immediate post war period.However,the district of
Everton was,until the slum clearance programmes of the 1960's,the stronghold
of the English Orange Order.In the 1970's I attended the benefit match for
Johnny Morrisey of Everton.The visitors were Glasgow Rangers.On a cold
January night,with nothing to play for,several thousand Rangers supporters
came down,complete with Drum and Flute band.What I noticed was the number of
Everton supporters wearing Orange insignia.It is true that a large
proportion
of the Catholic clergy supported Everton.There is a story,which I believe is
true,that Everton were doing a victory tour of Liverpool following an FA cup
win and their route took them down Scotland Road,the heartland of liverpool
Irish Catholicism.In St Anthony's church the congregation were waiting for
mass to start but Fr.O'Reilly did not appear on the Alter.He was outside the
church,in his vestments,waving an Everton scarf.In the early seventies when
I
was a regular attender on the Kop at Anfield,the crowd sang several songs to
the tunes of Orange songs.For example,the words of No Surrender were changed
to:

we'll fight and no surrender
we'll fight for the boys in Red
we'll fight and fight for Liverpool
The boys that Shankley bred
Another song used the tune of the Sash My Father wore.It is also probably
true that a number of the members of Liverpool's supporters club are in the
LOL.However,that not supprising given the number of Orange supporters in
Liverpool.It should also be bourne in mind that Liverpool draws large scale
support from both the Republic and Northern Ireland.The leads to another
nuance of regional football.Everton's supporters are almost all Scousers
while about 50% of liverpool's supporters are non
Liverpudlians.Similarly,Almost all of Manchester City's supporters are
Mancunians while Man United draws about 50% of its supporters from
outsiders.

Frank Neal
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Football 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.adCD3144.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Football 6
  
NK Killeen
  
From: "NK Killeen"
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D Football 6

Wasn't Roy Keane shot in the foot? By himself? The Man. Utd.
fans amongst you might find it difficult to believe Roy Keane said
those things but the rest of us are not so sure. Maybe the hybrid
nature of the Irish team and the enthusiastic support for the side
amongst many English commentators and members of the public
might provide the impetus for a rethinking of relationship between
the Irish diaspora and the English - on both sides.
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Oscar Wilde's speech from the dock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.37b64a3155.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Oscar Wilde's speech from the dock
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.


Oscar Wilde's speech from the dock

Textual Practice, 1 November 2001, vol. 15, no. 3, pp. 447-466(20)

McDiarmid L.

Abstract:
Current orthodoxy holds that Oscar Wilde's deportment during and after his
trial fits the paradigm embodied in the lives of Irish nationalist martyrs.
Without examining closely what precisely Wilde said in the dock and what
Irish martyrs say in the dock, those who write on the subject assume that
Wilde defended homosexuality as patriots defended Irish independence, and
that he was eager to speak openly and proudly on behalf of his 'cause'. Such
was not the case: in the spring of 1895 Wilde had not yet theorized his
sexuality as a political issue. Nor did he wish to be a martyr. Like Byron
and Wilfrid Blunt, and indeed like his own mother Speranza, Wilde was an
oppositional celebrity, for whom politics was a continuing public
performance that, with luck, led in the long run to some kind of interesting
immortality.Fully accepting Wilde's Irish nationalist politics and the Irish
literary traditions that inform his work, appreciating all the recent
scholarship that rehibernicizes Wilde, I have no wish to dehibernicize him.
Simply to set the record straight on Wilde' s speech about 'the love that
dare not speak its name', this article analyses the genealogy of that speech
and comments on other aspects of Wilde's defence. Finally, it looks at the
slow, gradual way Wilde came to frame his sexuality in 'The Ballad of
Reading Gaol' and in letters written after he had served his sentence.

Keywords: OSCAR; WILDE; -; TRIAL; OSCAR; WILDE; -; WRITINGS; HOMOSEXUALITY;
AND; CULTURE; IRISH; HISTORY; IRISH; PATRIOTS; -; TRIALS; CULTURE; -;
POLITICAL; ASPECTS

Language: English Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0950-236X

SICI (online): 0950-236X(20011101)15:3L.447;1-
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Ir-D Reds
  
Barrie McCallion
  
From: "Barrie McCallion"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D Glasgow Celtic

My experience is that Affiliations in terms of Man City v Man UTD and =
L'Pool v Everton tend to be that the Irish support the reds...

Barrie Mc Callion
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Hearts & Hibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.a125Ef3148.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Hearts & Hibs
  
patrick maume
  
From: patrick maume
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Glasgow Celtic

From: Patrick Maume
In Edinburgh Hearts of Midlothian are seen as the "Protestant"
team and Hibernian as "Catholic". There was a proposal to
merge them some years ago - the fans were annoyed and it was
averted when the Barclay brothers (wealthy businessmen and
longtime Hibernian fans) bought up Hibernian.
Those of you who have read Ian Rankin's Inspector Rebus
detective stories (set in Edinburgh - incidentally the central
character is a British Army veteran who serve in Northern
Ireland, and one of the novels is about loyalist paramilitaries)
will notice occasional references to this aspect of the
Hearts/Hibernian rivalry.
Best wishes,
Patrick
On 09 June 2002 06:00 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

>
> From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
> Subject: Glasgow Celtic
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>
> Greetings to all:
>
> Well, thank goodness for the brief respite from purely intellectual
musings
> to consider matters of true importance -- i.e., football/soccer. May the
> USA, Ireland, and the UK go as far as their skills will take them, and
then
> a bit beyond.
>
> Now that we're on this tack, perhaps some of you closer to the UK scene
than
> I can help me with answers to a couple of questions.
>
> Even many persons uninterested in sports know that the historic rivalry
> between Celtic and Rangers had strong ethnic/religious overtones, perhaps
> played up by but also kept in control by the desire of both franchises to
> make money. Several years ago, I noticed that the Celtic uniform/kit
> features what I would call a four-leaf clover. That unfortunately stirs
an
> irritation that usually afflicts me only near St. P's Day in the US, when
> confusion of the four-leaf clover, which connotes luck in America (at
> least), and the shamrock becomes rampant.
>
> I know that, in the remote past, Celtic uniforms displayed shamrocks and
> crosses. (I am also aware that the team still uses the shamrock theme for
> some paraphernalia). When I contacted Celtic and asked when and why the
> team adopted the four-leaf logo, I got a corporate response that danced
> around the question. My historian's suspicion is that the adoption had
> something to do with "assimilation," and I would love to learn how it was
> explained at the time. Regarding the time, I haven't a clue, although my
> first bet would be on the post-WW II era.
>
> Whether or not you can help me on that first question, perhaps you can
fill
> me on one or more parts of this second one. I imagine that, to some
greater
> or lesser degree, "primordial ties" affected allegiances in other towns,
> especially in northern England. Manchester U v. Manchester City, for
> example, and Liverpool v. Everton. Am I correct about that? What were
the
> breakdowns for those towns, and are there other examples as well?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
> Thomas J. Archdeacon
> Department of History
> University of Wisconsin -- Madison
> 4135 Humanities Building, Mailbox 4026
> 455 North Park Street
> Madison, Wisconsin
> USA
>
> 608-263-1778
> 608-263-5302 (fax)
>
>
>

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patrick maume
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Rue des Irlandais MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.bcc2F3149.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Rue des Irlandais
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

We had a very pleasant time in Paris - and have come back quite exhausted,
of course...

We had the great pleasure of meeting Maurice Goldring for dinner - I have
not met Maurice face to face for decades, though we correspond of course.
He was in good form. That evening with Maurice in itself made the journey
worthwhile. We also had a quick look at the progress on the restored Irish
College in the Rue des Irlandais. We know about stonework in Bradford - and
there is a lot of good work going into the College.

I now hear that the first director of the restored Irish College in Paris
will be Helen Carey, currently the executive and artistic director of the
Galway Arts Centre. In her current role she is also responsible for the
Cuirt International Festival of Literature in Galway and the Galway Youth
Theatre. So, an appointment that is very much a statement of intent. Helen
will take up her new duties on September 1. And I am sure that we all wish
her good fortune.

P.O'S.


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Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England
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10 June 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Summer House Keeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.DAdc3150.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Summer House Keeping
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Can I now just bring some recurring Housekeeping issues to the attention of
the Irish-Diaspora list membership...

As we enter the (Northern Hemisphere's) summer holiday period... Please be
considerate, people.

If you set up an automatic 'Gone on holidays' email answering system please
make sure it is of the kind that answers each email address only ONCE. If
you have very little storage space in your email Inbox - this especially
applies to Yahoo and Hotmail users - ask your neighbours to empty your Inbox
regularly, when they come round to feed the cat. Or consider Unsubscribing
from the Irish-Diaspora list over the holiday.

To Unsubscribe send an email to
majordomo[at]bradford.ac.uk

The text of your email should read
unsubscribe irish-diaspora
end

Note that this email must be FROM the email address through which you are
known to the Irish-Diaspora list.

Basic information about your management of your membership of the Ir-D list
is given in our NEWINFO file, which goes automatically to every new member,
and which is displayed on http://www.irishdiaspora.net/ in the
Irish-Diaspora list 'folder'.

We are fairly easygoing about these things. But every day we have to wade
through much email spam and viruses, and I cannot see any good reason for
adding to that garbage. If your email address does not work we have no way
of telling you that your email address does not work. And we should simply
delete your email address from the Ir-D list.

On a train of thought.... Robert Glendinning wrote a nice play, for the
Galway Druid Theatre, some years back, called 'Summerhouse'. It is one of
those Irish plays where the main woman character inevitably represents
Ireland - but the twist is that here she represents Northern Ireland. It is
impossible to get her to sign documents...

P.O'S.


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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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Email Patrick O'Sullivan
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Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England








P.O'S.


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Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050

Irish-Diaspora list
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Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England
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10 June 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D FEMINIST WORK IN IRISH CULTURAL STUDIES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.C8Cc3154.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D FEMINIST WORK IN IRISH CULTURAL STUDIES
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.


WOMEN, DOMESTICITY AND THE FAMILY: RECENT FEMINIST WORK IN IRISH CULTURAL
STUDIES

Cultural Studies, 1 January 2001, vol. 15, no. 1, pp. 33-57(25)

Wills C.

Abstract:
This article examines recent feminist work on the modernization of the Irish
family which occurred during the twentieth century. It argues that social
agencies, including prominently the Catholic Church, encouraged women to
introduce 'enlightened' notions of order and hygiene into the family, while
seeking to inhibit the development of individualist aspirations to personal
pleasure, domesticity and romance. It also considers the development of
literacy and reading habits in Ireland in the late nineteenth and twentieth
century, as a clue to the changing forms of women's experience and
subjectivity. The article concludes that a balanced account of the benefits
and drawbacks for women of Irish family patterns, and of their investment in
them, must take full account of tensions and ambiguities in both the
traditional and the modernized family.

Keywords: IRISH; HISTORY; DOMESTICITY; THE; FAMILY; FEMINISM; MODERNIZATION;
LITERACY

Language: English Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0950-2386

SICI (online): 0950-2386(20010101)15:1L.33;1-
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Didgeridoo 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.bEfe3147.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Didgeridoo 2
  
McCaffrey
  
From: McCaffrey
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Didgeridoo

This does not load for me. How long is the article? Can you text it?
Carmel

irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
> Subject: Re: didgeridoo
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>
> My recent article claiming Irish language origin for
> the word 'didgeridoo' is on the Melbourne magazine
> Táin's web page: http:www.tain.net.au
> I would be appreciate any comments.
>
> Dymphna Lonergan
> Flinders University of South Australia
>
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10 June 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.B0BF23151.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London 4
  
Steve McCabe
  
From: Steve McCabe
Subject: RE: Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London


This sounds like a really good idea and I would be happy to
support/collaborate/contribute.

Steven McCabe
University of Cenral England in Birmingham

- -----Original Message-----
From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
[mailto:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:00 AM
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D Proposed Irish Seminar in London




From: "Maria Power"
To:
Subject: Irish Seminar in London

Hi Everyone,

I've been thinking for a while that it is a shame that we have no =
regular Irish Studies Seminar in London at which people in the field of =
Irish Studies can present papers and share ideas. I know there is an =
Irish Literature seminar at Goldsmiths but there isn't one that covers =
everything.=20

I'm thinking of trying to set a regular seminar series up at the =
Institute of Historical Research in Malet Street and was wondering =
what everyone thought of the idea. Do you think that it would last? =
Would any of you be willing to give papers? Has this been tried before? =
Finally are there any souls out there brave enough to help!=20

Let me know what you think. Any feedback on the idea would be gratefully =
received.


Maria Power
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10 June 2002 06:00  
  
Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Queen Victoria's Irish Soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.660F3153.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Queen Victoria's Irish Soldiers
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.



Queen Victoria's Irish Soldiers: Quality of Life and Social Origins of the
Thin Green Line

Social Indicators Research, 2002, vol. 57, no. 1, pp. 73-88(16)

Jordan T.E.[1]

[1]University Of Missouri, St. Louis, 2361 Broadmont Court, Chesterfield, MO
63017 USA, E-mail: tkjor[at]aol.com

Abstract:

This essay examines the social background of men enlisting in the army in
mid-nineteenth century Ireland. A data set of 1,032 recruits is presented,
and their county origins are explored through development of an index of
quality of life (QUALEIRE). Height data are presented as well as the process
of recruitment. Topics include home background, census information,
literacy, officers, politics, and health with reference to tuberculosis.



Language: English Document Type: Regular paper ISSN: 0303-8300

SICI (online): 0303-83005717388
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Date: 10 June 2002 06:00 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Merriman Summer School 2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.23b63163.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0206.txt]
  
Ir-D Merriman Summer School 2002
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The web site of the Merriman Summer School, 2002, is taking shape...

As the Summer School itself takes shape...

Note that the theme this year is
Exiles and Strangers:
Immigrants to and from Ireland

See...

http://www.merriman.ie/school/index.html

Merriman Summer School 2002

Ennistymon, Co. Clare
17 - 24 August 2002
(Saturday to Saturday)

Director
Liam Irwin
Mary Immaculate College
University of Limerick


Exiles and Strangers:
Immigrants to and from Ireland

Speakers at Summer School 2002

Dr Richard Warner, Ulster Museum, Belfast
Dr Pat Wallace Director, National Museum of Ireland.
Piaras Mac Éinrí, Irish Centre for Migration Studies, UCC
Donncha O Connell, Lecturer at Law, NUI, Galway.
Seosamh Mac Donncha, Chief Executive, Foras na Gaeilge
Ultan Cowley, Author of The Irish Navvy
Patrick O Sullivan, Irish Diaspora Research Unit, Bradford
Dr Ruán O Donnell, University of Limerick
Dr Declan Downey, UCD
Dr Úna Ní Bhroiméil, Coláiste Mhuire gan Smál, Luimneach
Professor Maureen Murphy, Hofstra University, New York
Fr. Paul Byrne, Episcopal Commission for Emigrants
Dr. Moosajee Bhamjee, Psychiatrist and former TD
Proinsias Mac Aonghusa, Journalist and author.
Padraig Ó Baoill, author.
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