From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

The email address of the Irish-Diaspora list
is receiving a very large number of computer viruses.

Information about the main ones we have seen can be found at...

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99273.htm

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm

It will be seen that one of these is the Klez virus - this is the one that
forges the FROM line of the infected email. Also, having sent itself on to
email addresses it finds in your email address book, it can damage your
files. Another virus exploits a vulnerability in Microsoft MIME, which will
allow files to be run when an email is simply viewed.

Generally I think it tends to be members of the Irish-Diaspora list who have
our email address in their email address books.

So, some of our members might well have these viruses in their computers.
Please check.

I should add that the Irish-Diaspora list does not pass on any message in
MIME, nor does it pass on attachments. We have indepth virus protection in
place. And the software that runs the Irish-Diaspora list is old, stupid
and clunky and simply chews up all attachments and viruses.

Good thing too.

Paddy

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Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.

Women's Studies International Forum
Volume 25, Issue 3, May-June 2002, Pages 315-333

"ABORTION IS PART OF THE IRISH EXPERIENCE, IT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE"
THE TRANSFORMATION OF PUBLIC DISCOURSES ON IRISH ABORTION POLICY

by Laury Oaks

Women's Studies Program, University of California, 4701 South Hall, Santa
Barbara, CA 93106, USA

Received 16 January 2002; accepted 16 April 2002. Available online 25 May
2002.

Abstract
Ireland's abortion policy remains the most restrictive in the European
Union, and thousands of Irish women annually travel abroad, mainly to
England, to obtain abortion services. This article contributes to feminist
analyses of abortion politics by examining how two publicized Irish abortion
cases in the 1990s and the Irish government's deliberation over abortion law
constitute a complex, shifting Irish social-political context which
increasingly has invited public attention to the reality of abortion in
Irish women's lives and urged policy-makers to address this reality. A
discourse analysis approach provides insight into the interplay between the
relatively recent acknowledgment in Irish public discourses that abortion is
a social¯¯not simply an individual¯¯issue and the Irish social policy-making
process.


Article Outline
INTRODUCTION
NEW DIMENSIONS OF THE ABORTION DEBATE: THE 1992 "X CASE"
REVISITING THE NEED FOR ABORTION POLICY CHANGE: THE 1997 "C CASE"
THE "NEW CONSCIOUSNESS" ABOUT ABORTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES
THE TASK OF POLICY-MAKING: CONTESTS OVER THE DESIGN OF A CLARIFIED IRISH
ABORTION POLICY
ARGUMENTS FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF ABORTION SERVICES IN IRELAND
ARGUMENTS FOR THE CONTINUED ABORTION BAN IN IRELAND
CONCLUSION: TRANSFORMING THE IRISH STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY TOWARD WOMEN
Acknowledgements
References

From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.


Journal name European Journal of International Relations
ISSN 1354-0661 electronic:1354-0661
Publisher SAGE Publications
Issue 2001 - volume 7 - issue 1
Page 63 - 102

Transnational Norms and Military Development: Constructing Ireland's
Professional Army
Farrell, Theo

Keywords
civil-military relations, Irish Army, military development, military
professionalism, transnational norms,

Abstract
This article examines the impact of transnational norms on military
development. In so doing, it combines constructivism's study of systemic
norms with culturalist work on unit-level norms. I focus on two
transnational norms - norms of conventional warfare and norms of civilian
supremacy - and show how they shape military development through a case
study of post-revolutionary Ireland. I draw on recent work by
constructivists to elucidate the context, process and mechanism whereby
transnational norms are diffused and empowered in new national contexts - a
process called norm transplantation. Norm transplantation is particularly
problematic when transnational norms clash with local norms. Drawing on
studies of military culture and military innovation, I identify the
conditions necessary for norm transplantation to occur in cases of cultural
clash. Returning to the Irish case, I show how transnational norms of
military professionalism became encoded in Irish Army culture despite the
fact that its predecessor, the Irish Republican Army, practised norms of
military sovereignty and unconventional warfare.

From: Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.



Journal name Oxford Development Studies
ISSN 1360-0818
Publisher Taylor & Francis Ltd
History Title, ISSN, Publisher History
Issue 2002 - volume 30 - issue 2
Page 205 - 222

The Basque Conflict Globally Speaking: Material Culture, Media and Basque
Identity in the Wider World
Linstroth, J. P.

Abstract
This article explores the interplay between global and local determinants
through the Basque conflict. It demonstrates that self-determination
movements among the Palestinians and Irish Republicans are comparatively
similar to the Basque cause in material expressions of political identity
and by conveying their nationalist sentiments through the agencies of
different mediums. In addition, the impact of 11 September on separatist
struggles like the Basque one is discussed. Throughout it is argued that
material culture as much as media are significant conduits to political
relationships between objects and sentiment, as well as images and reality
whereby these associations become modes of "political consumption" by
political actors. As a result, political images and objects have "value
potential" to transform society and are projected as material products in
banners, posters, graffiti, jewellery and clothing or through varying
mediums of communication such as the Internet, television broadcasts, video
testimonies and other forms, in order to reinforce political ideology.

From: "MacEinri, Piaras"
To: "'irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk'"
Subject: Garda raids on immigrants
[Note: Garda Siochana = national police force of the Republic of Ireland.]


Yesterday a series of extensive Garda raids took place with the avowed
intention of detaining and deporting persons whose immigration status was
irregular (e.g. failed asylum seekers, labour migrants whose papers are not
in order). It appears to mark a shift in the policies being followed by the
new Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Michael McDowell and
follows the Seville summit position taken up by Ireland, which was closer to
the hardline stance favoured by Spain and Britain than the more conciliatory
one favoured by Sweden and France.

Readers of the list might be interested to know what is happening - the
Irish Independent (http://www.independent.ie) and Irish Examiner
(http://www.examiner.ie) can still be read on-line although the Irish Times,
very regrettably, is now subscription only. Not that I would agree with much
of the coverage in these papers! - too dominated by the viewpoints of their
security correspondents - but readers can make up their own minds.
Curiously, and for reasons which are unclear, the operation is codenamed
Hyphen - although the last thing we seem ready to contemplate here is any
kind of 'hyphenated Irishness'.

My own comment, for what it is worth, follows.

Piaras

All states must have regard to the movement of peoples across their borders
and must implement appropriate and fair policies and procedures. In the case
of Ireland the central problem is that we have no comprehensive immigration
policy at present. We now have increased numbers of people seeking refuge
here. We also have a much larger number of foreigners working in our country
because we need them and because they need work and have come to a wealthy
country to try to improve their lives. If some are here illegally that is
partly because of a draconian regime which has made it extremely difficult
to come here through normal channels.

The only categories of persons for whom something like reasonable provision
is made - and there are still many gaps in policy even here - are certain
high-skills immigrants such as medical and IT staff. For most non-EU workers
here the State has effectively privatised the work permit régime, with a
totally unregulated recruitment process, a system which ties the worker to a
particular employer, and few rights and entitlements of any kind. The
State's effective abdication of its own responsibilities has left the field
wide open for all kinds of exploitation, both pre- and post-arrival. It has
also created a system where migrant workers live in a twilight world, here
yet not here, invisible and unsupported. In the case of asylum seekers, they
may well have been waiting for long periods before receiving a decision in
their cases. They are forbidden the right to work, yet in the UK asylum
seekers are given the right to work after 6 months. By contrast our policies
simultaneously ghettoise them for long periods and allow them to be labelled
as spongers. In the circumstances it can hardly be surprising that some are
driven into the unregulated labour market.

High-profile raids may result in 5 people being arrested or 50, but they
will terrify many thousands more. I remember sitting in an Irish pub in
Boston in the early 1990s and experiencing the sense of shock felt by those
there, most of whom were illegal immigrants, when word reached us of an INS
raid in Philadelphia, many hundreds of miles to the south. Yet Irish
illegals in the USA stood in considerably less danger of removal, and had
far greater community support, than illegals in this country.

Actions such as those we saw yesterday can only serve to stigmatise all
immigrants as undesirables. This may align us with some of our more
xenophobic EU neighbours, but it is out of line with our own traditions and
experience. It also places the Gárdaí, who have by and large acted in a
sensitive and sympathetic way towards immigrants of whatever background, in
a most invidious position. It portrays immigration as a security-related
issue, when in reality it is a far broader question which challenges us all
to address the rapidly changing nature of our society, the role of
immigrants in this process and the need to create conditions where they can
be welcomed and integrated. I welcome the fact that the Minister stated that
eight out of ten of the foreign faces we see on our streets are her
perfectly legally, but isn't it time we enacted policies to recognise that
they are really part of our society, and in many cases here to stay? We need
joined-up policy, not posturing.

From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Would Irish language specialists please contact Dean Karalekas directly...


Forwarded on behalf of
Dean Karalekas
khandn[at]hotmail.com
Subject: Translation Help




Dear Mr. O'Sullivan:

I would like to post a query on your list regarding a short translation from
English to Old Irish for a fiction project I?m working on. I hate to bother
you, but I?m currently living in Taiwan, where there is a lack of expertise
in this field, and therefore am restricted to solving this little problem by
correspondence. Prof. Kenneally at Concordia was kind enough to direct me to
your list.

Alternatively, if you know of a professional translator that could handle
such a job, I would be more than happy to pay for the service.

Basically, I am trying to construct a facsimile of part of a fictional
manuscript that was ostensibly written by a survivor of the Viking's sacking
of Iona. It is just 12 short lines that are (fictionally) supposed to be a
clue to the location of the Holy Grail. (According to the story, the monks
at Iona had it for about 300 years.)

The English lines are below.


Their ships like sharks, like shades of Satan,
Rumbled like whales that walked on water:
Their thirsty axes, slaked on our blood,
Ran with red in the endless night.
And the holy books they set to the torch,
Throwing words and manuscript alike on the flame:
The word and the flesh to perish together..
¡Kthe Cup of Our Lord
Carven of wood from the tree of peace
On slaver of silver, on samite of emerald,
Borne to our house by Galhaut the Pure
In the days of Arthur, when fair Logres fell,
This holiest of relics they ravished away to their land of darkness where
evil is king.


Thank you very much for your attention to this request. I look forward to
hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Dean Karalekas

From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Oliver Knox, Rebels & Informers, John Murray, 1997, has some pages on Carey,
and the dispute with Drennan. There are a few references that might be
followed up, including Michael Durey, 'The Dublin Society of United Irishmen
and the Politics of the Carey-Drennan dispute, 1792-1794', The Historical
Journal, Cambridge, 1994.

Carey's own writings often turn up in the history of art criticism, eg
http://www.nga.gov/collection/gallery/gg57/gg57-1229.0-biblio.html

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D William Paulet Carey 2

From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: William Paulet Carey

I don't have any information on his achievements in the arts, but his
career as a United Irishman is fairly well documented. He founded a
radical newspaper in Dublin in 1791 to advance the UI cause, but
became disillusioned with the UI and testified against William
Drennan in 1794. Drennan has a lot to say about him in his letters to
his sister, Martha McTier. The letters are published in 3 volumes,
edited by Jean Agnew, as 'The Drennan-McTier Letters, 1776-1819',
Dublin: Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1999.

His brother Matthew Carey (1760-1839) was also a radical, a printer
and bookseller, who went to Philadelphia and pursued a career there
as a politician and philanthropist. Another brother, Dr John Carey
(1756-1829), was a classicist, who translated and published numerous
Latin works (see Alfred Webb's 'A Compendium of Irish Biography',
Dublin: Gill, 1878).

ELM



Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Tel: +61-3-8344 3924
Department of History Fax: +61-3-8344 7894
University of Melbourne email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
Parkville, Victoria
Australia 3010

From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Over the past 3 days the email address of the Irish-Diaspora list
has received over 30 emails with computer
virus attachments.

So... There is at least one very badly infected computer out there...

Information about the main viruses seen can be found at McAfee...

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99273.htm

http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99367.htm

It will be recalled that one of these is the Klez virus. This is the one
that forges the FROM line of the infected email - it sends itself to an
email address that it finds in your address book, and it pretends to be FROM
another email address from your address book.

We now have evidence that one of the email addresses picked up and forged in
this way is .

That is to say, there are emails out there, with virus attachments,
PRETENDING to be from .

This is bad news and we are very cross about this.

Would all Irish-Diaspora list members PLEASE check their computers for
viruses, and look at the list of symptoms compiled by McAfee. The most
obvious symptom is a fake error message about 'not enough memory' - this
displays a random program name which always ends in EXE.

To repeat... A message from the Irish-Diaspora list will NEVER be in MIME,
and will NEVER have an attachment. The Subject line will begin with our
cheap and cheerful identifier Ir-D.

I do not want to get bogged down in this, for it has nothing to do with
Irish Diaspora Studies. But I do want to control the amount of time that is
spent here dealing with virus messages, spam and error messages.

P.O'S.


- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
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Department of Interdisciplinary Human Studies
University of Bradford
Bradford BD7 1DP
Yorkshire
England

From: Edmundo Murray
edmundo_murray[at]hotmail.com
Subject: Irish to Argentina New Passenger List


Amigos & Amigas,

Another segment of the Irish-Argentines that greatly differed from the
Midlands/Wexford rural pattern, was represented by the 1,772 passengers of
the City of Dresden, who arrived in Buenos Aires on 16 February 1889. As
writer Michael Geraghty mentions in his article 'Argentina: Land of Broken
Promises,' they 'had less than little to celebrate on St. Patrick?s Day that
year' (Buenos Aires Herald 17 March 1999).

These immigrants have been added to the Coghlan 1982 compiled list, reaching
a total of 5,901 Irish passengers who arrived in Argentina 1822-1889. In
addition to the pdf list, an alphabetical index is available in html format.
You may also find descriptions of the ships most frequently used by the
emigrants.

http://mypage.bluewin.ch/emurray/documents/papers/irish-d/ships/coghlan1982.
htm

Best wishes,

Edmundo Murray
Université de Genève
7, rue du Quartier Neuf
1205 Genève Suisse
+41 22 739 5049 (office)
+41 22 320 1544 (home)
edmundo_murray[at]hotmail.com
http://mypage.bluewin.ch/emurray
---------------------------------------------
Should you need to attach files larger than 500K (in total), please send
them to edmundo.murray[at]wto.org - Thank you...

From: "Eileen Reilly"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D Famine fiction


William Carleton's The Black Prophet and Anthony Trollope's Castle Richmond
are well known.

At the 2002 GRIAN Conference at NYU, Karen Drew, a graduate student at Drew
University gave a paper on Irish Famine Literature for Children, most of
which are recent publications.

You can probably reach her on the Hibernet listserve -
hibernet[at]forums.nyu.edu

Stephen J. Brown, Ireland in Fiction (1919, 1969) is a comprehensive but not
complete list of Irish fiction - his index lists seventeen works under the
topic Famine. Of these, The Hunger by 'Andrew Merry' {Mildred H.G. Darby} is
particularly interesting.




Eileen Reilly,
Associate Director,
Glucksman Ireland House,
New York University,
One Washington Mews,
New York NY 10003

Tel: (212) 998-3951
Fax: (212) 995-4373

www.nyu.edu/pages/irelandhouse



- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
[mailto:owner-irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 5:00 AM
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Ir-D Famine fiction




From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
Subject: Re: Famine fiction

There don't appear to be many Irish novels written
with the Famine as a theme. Does anyone know of any
besides Liam O'Flaherty's 'The Famine'?

Dymphna Lonergan
Flinders University of South Australia

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends



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From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

Forwarded on behalf of...
info[at]yeats-sligo.com

Subject: THE 43rd YEATS INTERNATIONAL SUMMER SCHOOL



THE 43rd YEATS INTERNATIONAL SUMMER SCHOOL
Sligo, Ireland
July 28 - August 10, 2002

The prestigious Yeats Summer School run in " The Land of Heart's Desire"
Two weeks of poetry, drama, seminars, tours, lectures and fun! Programme
will include readings by John McGahern, Paul Muldoon, Pat McCabe, and
Peter Fallon.

The Yeats International Summer School has gained recognition world-wide
and student applications have been received from the US, Korea, Romania,
Italy, France, Spain, Germany, the UK and of course Ireland.

The programme concentrates on the works of William Butler Yeats examining
the author's career in the context of Irish literature, history and
politics. But far from being solely academic or confined to university
students, the school has been developed to have a much wider appeal to
people from all walks of life.

Patron: Michael Yeats.
Directors: Bernard O'Donoghue, Wadham College, Oxford.
Gerladine Higgins, Emory University, Atlanta.

Official Opening: Roy Foster

The fee for this special two-week lecture event is Euro 450.
Fee for week 1 only is Euro 250.
Fee for week 2 only is Euro 210.
Fee for poetry workshop is Euro 70.

There is no deadline for applications. For more information contact:
Yeats Society Sligo, Yeats Memorial Building, Hyde Bridge, Sligo, Ireland
Tel: +353 (0)71 42693
E-mail: info[at]yeats-sligo.com
Visit: www.yeats-sligo.com

From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dymphna=20Lonergan?=
Subject: Re: Famine fiction

There don't appear to be many Irish novels written
with the Famine as a theme. Does anyone know of any
besides Liam O'Flaherty's 'The Famine'?

Dymphna Lonergan
Flinders University of South Australia

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends

Subject: Re: Ir-D Famine fiction
From: Eileen A Sullivan
Dear Dymphna,

Please read William Carleton's THE BLACK PROPHET, A TALE OF IRISH FAMINE
for a 19th century novel of the famine.

Eileen
Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director
The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332
3690
6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail :
eolas1[at]juno.com
Gainesville, FL 32653

From: Breen "î"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Famine fiction
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

For fiction and the Irish Famine, see:
Margaret Kelleher
"The Feminization of the Famine: Expressions of the
Inexpressible" ISBN 1859180787'

Breen

From: "Siobhan Maguire"
To:
Subject: Famine Fiction

There is a trilogy of fictional children's books set around the Famine:
Author: Marita Conlon-McKenna
'Under the Hawthorn Tree. Children of the Famine'.
'Wildflower Girl'. In this story they leave Ireland for America.
'Fields of Home'. This is about the same family but they are now settled in
America.

From Siobhán Maguire
University of North London

From: Marion Casey
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Famine fiction 3



The denouement of Mary Anne Sadlier's 1861 novel, Bessy Conway; or, An
Irish Girl in America, also involves the Famine. It is available on
the web (with spelling errors caused by OCR transfer) at:

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~eas5e/Bessy/Bessy.html

Marion R. Casey
Department of History
New York University

From: "Nieciecki, Daniel"
To: "'irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk'"
Subject: NY Irish Hunger Memorial

Last evening, a colleague and I explored the new Irish
Hunger Memorial in Battery Park City at the southern end of Manhattan, and I
am interested what others, who may have been able to visit it so far, have
thought of it.

Physically speaking, I found the site impressive, and very
evocative of the desolate beauty (or beautiful desolation) of the west of
Ireland. The illuminated quotations that line the interior walkway and the
exterior walls do indeed give a sense of the human toll the Hunger took, and
a worthy attempt was made to associate the disaster in Ireland with
incidents of famine and starvation that plague the world today. I was
especially pleased by the insertion--amid the figures and anecdotes of those
whose trouble stems from not having enough to eat--of one or two references
to the general obesity of the American population and the health problems
resulting from having too much to eat. The perceptive visitor, who took the
time to read all that was to be read, might come away with an understanding
of the gross inequality in the distribution of wealth and resources around
the globe.

However, I fear that such perception would be the exception
and not the rule. Unfortunately, the memorial seems to lack a sense of
history. The information presented is like a photograph--it provides a good
introduction to what the experience of the Great Hunger entailed, but it is
stationary, abstracted out of time. Visitors to the site with little or no
knowledge of Irish history would not come away from it with any
understanding of how the conditions for the Great Hunger came to be, what
made it so devastating, and what effects it had later on the development of
Ireland and of the world at large.

Perhaps what bothered me most was that the true nature of
the Great Hunger was not dealt with at all. It was not explained that
millions of tons of grain and vegetables, and hundreds of thousands of head
of cattle, were produced in Ireland and exported during the worst years of
mass starvation; that the "famine" was not a general shortage of food but
simply the failure of one crop that due to historical and economic
conditions provided the principal subsistence of lowliest of the direct
producers; that more than enough food was available within Ireland but that
the Irish were not able to take advantage of it because it represented the
surplus value extracted as profit by the quasi-feudal landlord class and
sold for cash on the open market for export throughout the Empire. That I am
hardly an Anglophobe is testified by my appreciation--and to some degrees
obsession--with English pop culture, and I have no support at all for those
who, out of bigotry of their own, seek to cast the Great Hunger as a
deliberate and pre-meditated act of genocide by the English government--it
is painfully obvious that the dogmas of laissez-faire capitalism, "the
invisible hand," and the overriding drive for profit and the accumulation of
capital were really to blame. However, with this vital and in fact
definitive nature of the Irish Hunger left out, it is no surprise to me that
the full nature of the event would be lost on the average passerby. As we
sought shelter from a brief summer shower under the eave of the site, a
middle-aged man dismissed the whole thing to his young daughter as "just a
monument for people who died along time ago in Ireland because they didn't
have enough to eat."

I really wanted to be impressed with it, and on one level I
was--it is beautiful, and I wouldn't mind going back, just to take in the
atmosphere (although I would probably wait until the fall, since the muggy
heat of a Manhattan summer often is not reminiscent of Mayo!). However, it
seems like it could have been so much..."more." (Perhaps this is how some of
the more picky Tolkien fans felt about the Lord of the Rings movie?).

I am very interested in some other historians' impressions.
Thank you!

Daniel Oisín Nieciecki
New York, NY

From:
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D NY Irish Hunger Memorial 2


I have not seen the memorial yet, so I can't comment on that. It seems to
me, though, you are expecting more than a memorial can reasonably deliver.
What you've outlined would be an effective museum exhiit, but for a memorial
it is not realistic. If a memorial can move people, affect them emotionally,
and make them think -- it has accomplished a great deal.

Bill Mulligan

From: Kerby Miller
Subject: Re: Ir-D William Paulet Carey 2

Dear Elizabeth,

Does Webb's "Compendium" have any data about another brother,
James Carey, a radical journalist in 1790s America (less famous but
more outspoken than Matthew)?

Gratefully,

Kerby Miller.




>From: Elizabeth Malcolm
>Subject: William Paulet Carey
>
>I don't have any information on his achievements in the arts, but his
>career as a United Irishman is fairly well documented. He founded a
>radical newspaper in Dublin in 1791 to advance the UI cause, but
>became disillusioned with the UI and testified against William
>Drennan in 1794. Drennan has a lot to say about him in his letters to
>his sister, Martha McTier. The letters are published in 3 volumes,
>edited by Jean Agnew, as 'The Drennan-McTier Letters, 1776-1819',
>Dublin: Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1999.
>
>His brother Matthew Carey (1760-1839) was also a radical, a printer
>and bookseller, who went to Philadelphia and pursued a career there
>as a politician and philanthropist. Another brother, Dr John Carey
>(1756-1829), was a classicist, who translated and published numerous
>Latin works (see Alfred Webb's 'A Compendium of Irish Biography',
>Dublin: Gill, 1878).
>
>ELM
>

From: Maria Power
maria.power[at]btinternet.com
Women on Ireland Research Network Study Day, 28th September 2002


This may be of interest to some of you:

The Women on Ireland Research Network are holding a Study Day at The
Women's Library, Guildhall University, East London on 28th September 2002.

Programme:
10.00-10.15 Arrival and welcome
10.15-11.00 Guest speaker Sarah Morgan (title to be announced)
11.00-12.15 - 3 short papers and discussion: Yvonne McKenna 'Irish women
religious in London'
Clare Roche 'Young women in a changing Ireland', Val Young 'Body Image
among Irish migrant women'
12.15-1.00 lunch is available in the Library cafe
1.00-2.15 -3 short papers and discussion - Tracey Holsgrove (to be
announced),
Denise Richardson 'Women in tinsmith families', Grainne Hiney 'using
census data'
2.15-3.00 open discussion on how to get research published and launch of
Louise Ryan's book. Gender, Identity and the Irish Press, 1922-37:
Embodying the Nation
3.00 - library tour and exhibition.
Library closes at 4.00pm.

Pre-booking is essential because space is limited. Please note that further
information and a
booking form are available on the website
http://researchservices1.qub.ac.uk/woireland/index.htm