From:
Subject: Re: Ir-D You are Irish, I think 3

Firstly, as a stupid and illiterate Englishman, I
would like to endorse everything that has been said in
this discussion to date ;)

Can I add however that it is also useful as so often
to consider an assumption so prevalent in British
culture of this sort (that anyone who is perceived as
stupid or politically incompetent must be "Irish") in connection with a
politically opposite yet at once extremely derivative assumption found
in (nationalist) Irish culture (and, dare I suggest, certain forms of
recent academic writing) that anyone who collaborated with or was
politically powerful in the British empire in any location or who
opposed certain nationalist objectives in Ireland cannot be/have been
Irish at all and must actually be/have been "British" or "English".
These errors clearly have a common root (in a past of British/English
conquest of Ireland) and thus indicate both the strengths and weaknesses
of postcolonial paradigms when applied to Ireland.

Incidentally, Maurice Cowling (in _Religion and public
doctrine in modern England_, especially volume 1)
would agree with Carmel that the term "English
intelligentsia" is an oxymoron: not I think however
for the reasons she has in mind.

Gary Kenneth Peatling




- --- irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:
>
> From: McCaffrey
>
> Subject: Re: Ir-D You are Irish, I think 2
>
> Which is why these 'thick paddies' get to be called
> British in England.
>
> Joyce, who cannot so easily be labelled British was
> never quite
> accepted by the English intelligentsia - my God, is
> that an oxymoron? .
> His genius was accepted world wide before the
> English started to pay
> attention to him as perhaps the greatest novelist of
> the twentieth
> century. I believe there is still a struggle about
> Joyce there. The
> English have long believed that the supremacy of
> language skills lay
> with them, because it was their language. A blind
> opinion if ever there
>
> was one because it fails to take into account the
> use and expression of
> language as an art. One Irish Joyce critic, David
> Norris, has
> describes Joyce as gleefully 'smashing the language
> of the invader'. It
> took another Irishman, Samuel Beckett, to teach a
> similar lesson about
> language to the French.
>
> If only, Oscar Wilde mused, we could teach the
> English to speak - and
> the Irish to listen.
>
> Carmel McC
>

From: "MacEinri, Piaras"
To: "'irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk'"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Scheper-Hughes, Ire in Ireland 3

no mystery Paddy - it's a sample issue, presumably intended as a taster
for anyone thinking of taking out a subscription. Having said that
people should download it asap - it may not be there indefinitely!

Piaras

> -----Original Message-----

> From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> Piaras,
>
> By some means you have contrived an URL that takes everyone to the
> article without having to pay...
>
> So, everyone, there is your weekend reading...
> Paddy
>
> http://www.sagepub.co.uk/journals/details/issue/sample/a013130.pdf

>

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For information...

For Cormac-watchers.

P.O'S.


FAMINE AND MARKET IN ANCIEN RÉGIME FRANCE

Ó Gráda, Cormac - Chevet, Jean-Michel

abstract

How-and how well-do food markets function in famine conditions? The
controversy surrounding this question may benefit from historical
perspective. Here we study two massive famines that struck France
between 1693 and 1710, killing over two million people. In both cases
the impact of harvest failure was exacerbated by wartime demands on the
food supply; we ask whether the crises were exacerbated yet further by a
failure of markets to function as they did in normal times. The
evidence, we conclude, is most consistent with the view that markets in
fact helped alleviate these crises, albeit modestly.


Aujourd'hui ces matières paraissent d'une telle aridité qu'elles
provoquent le vide, même au sein du parlement, si par hasard on les y
discute...On ne voit plus des écarts de prix comparables à ceux des
grandes années de famine de la fin du règne de Louis XIV: 1693 et 1709.
Germain Martin (French historian) in 1908

publication
Journal of Economic History

ISSN
0022-0507 electronic: 1471-6372

publisher
Cambridge University Press

year - volume - issue - page
2002 - 62 - 3 - 706

From: "Mark E. Hall"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D Scheper-Hughes, Ire in Ireland 3

> Piaras,
>
> By some means you have contrived an URL that takes everyone
> to the article without having to pay...
>
> So, everyone, there is your weekend reading...
>
> Paddy

Actually, through the end of March, all online SAGE journals can be read
for free on www.ingenta.com You will have to register and create an
account, but once you do so, you can access everything SAGE has online.

Best, Mark Hall

From:
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Shake Hands with the Devil 3

Paddy
I was echoing the well-known assessment of Fred Astaire's abilities
by a certain Hollywood agent, which I'm sure haunted him for the rest of
his (possibly fore-shortened?) career. Don Murray, however, was
certainly no hoofer!

Ultan

<
< And, Ultan, Cagney can't dance? Yankee Doodle Dandy, Yankee Doodle
Dandy...
< Paddy
<
<

From: Jessica March
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

Many thanks to all for your suggestions. I have now located a copy with
the kind help of Noel Gilzean.

Best wishes,

Jessica

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For information...

Interesting article - deduces that 'Irish fright' of 1688 was
choreogeaphed by some of William's English supporters, using the postal
service.

P.O'S.

Jones, G.H. 'The Irish fright of 1688: real violence and imagined
massacre'. Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research, 55 (1982),
148-53.

Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research.
University of London.

From: "William Mulligan Jr."
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D You are Irish, I think 10

An interesting variation on this is the case of US Senator John Kerry
from Massachusetts who has announced his intention of running for
president. Kerry is not Irish, but of Austrian Jewish ancestry, and
there is some controversy over whether or not he claimed Irish ancestry
(a great political advantage in Massachusetts), allowed the
misperception to exist, or set the records straight when necessary. All
somewhat complicated by a claim by the senator that he was unsure of the
details of his ethnic background until recently.

See an article in today's Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/065/metro/1986_statement_counters_Kerr
y_s_stand_on_heritage+.shtml

Bill Mulligan

A number of Ir-D members have noted that the Cagney movie, Shake Hands
with the devil, is listed as available on VHS video, on the usual USA
web sites, yahoo.com, Half.com, Amazon.com, etc.

Thank you.

However, apart from the problem of the differing VHS systems, people in
the UK have unhappy experiences with purchasing small items from the USA
- - postage, tax, and handling charges can add disproportionaly to the
costs. I think we pass on this information to Jessica and let her
decide.

There are a number of rare video specialists in the UK, some with Web
presence. Their catalogues will not appear through Google and other web
search engines. One is called, unsurprisigly
http://www.rarevideospecialists.co.uk/
And I note that it has a copy of Shake Hands with the Devil for 15
pounds.

And, Ultan, Cagney can't dance? Yankee Doodle Dandy, Yankee Doodle
Dandy...

Paddy


irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

>From: Jessica March
>Subject: Shake Hands with the Devil
>
>
>Can anyone tell me where I might get hold of a copy of this film to
>borrow or buy?
>
>It's based on the book by the same title written by Rearden Conner. It

>stars James Cagney and it was released in 1959.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Jessica March
>
>DPhil Student
>St John's College,
>Oxford,
>OX1 3JP

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For information...

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
H-NET BOOK REVIEW
Published by H-Albion[at]h-net.msu.edu (March, 2003)

Martyn J. Powell. _Britain and Ireland in the Eighteenth Century: Crisis
of Empire_. Basingstoke and New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2003. x + 280
pp. Notes, bibliography, and index. $75.00 (cloth), ISBN 0-333-99402-7.

Reviewed for H-Albion by Jeremy Black, Department of History, University
of Exeter

This impressive first book draws heavily on a rich range of archival
research, particularly, but not only, in the British Library, the Public
Record Office, the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, the
National Library of Ireland, the National Archives of Ireland, Trinity
College, Dublin, and the William L. Clements Library. Powell, a
lecturer at University College Wales, Aberystwyth, assesses British
governmental policy towards Ireland in the period 1750-83, placing it in
the valuable context of imperial crisis and policy. Policy concentrated
not on the Catholic majority but on the Protestant Irish. Powell is
clear that the government sought to tighten imperial control. He sees
the most significant steps as occurring in 1767, with the imposition of
a resident Lord Lieutenant, and 1770, as the North ministry sought an
administrative reform that entailed greater imperial centralization, as
in the Thirteen Colonies. This interacted with a developing Protestant
patriotism that Powell studies with great care. He clarifies the number
of strands involved. For example, as he notes, "patriotic MPs were not
passive receptors of public opinion" (p. 181). Powell also draws
attention to a lack of certainty on the part of both government and
opposition as how best to respond to developments in Ireland once the
Volunteer movement had started. Some opposition parliamentarians were
alarmed by this course of events, especially troubled by the illegality
of the Volunteers, and wished to limit their involvement in Irish
Patriot politics. Nevertheless, the connection was seen as valuable by
many opposition leaders. As the Volunteer movement was itself divided
this complicated the situation. Because the Belfast Volunteers were
dominated by radical dissenters, they provided the government with a
more serious problem than their Dublin counterparts.

Aside from the great value of his careful account, Powell is much to be
congratulated on his imperial contextualization of Irish developments.
The sole criticism is that he does not discuss the more general question
of multiple kingdoms in this period. There is a major literature on the
subject in the early-modern period, and in the late-eighteenth century
the practice of such monarchy more generally adapted to the norms of
what has been termed enlightenment government with its emphasis on
consistency and effective regulation. If this was in part driven
forward in the British world by the problems of post-war debt that was
also more generally true across Europe, as I have discussed in _Europe
in the Eighteenth Century_ (Houndmills, Basinstoke and New York:
Palgrave Macmillan, 2nd ed., 1999). Irish history can therefore be
contextualized in a number of ways. It is clear from this study, that
his is a major talent. It is also readily apparent that there is no
substitute for the detailed archival work seen here if the nature of
imperial politics and political culture are to be understood.

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From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For information...

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
H-NET BOOK REVIEW
Published by H-Albion[at]h-net.msu.edu (March, 2003)

Vincent Morley. _Irish Opinion and the American Revolution, 1760-1783_.
New York and Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002. x + 366 pp.
Notes, bibliography, and index. $65.00 (cloth), ISBN 0-521-81386-7.

Reviewed for H-Albion by Jeremy Black, Department of History, University
of Exeter

Drawing on a wide range of sources, especially newspapers, pamphlets,
vernacular song, and published sermons, Dr. Morley charts the evolution
of attitudes in Ireland at each stage of the revolution, whether those
produced directly through the operation of American example on Irish
opinion or indirectly as a result of altered circumstances arising from
the war. This obliges him to take a chronological approach, with the
stages chosen being imperial unrest (1760-75), colonial rebellion
(1775-78), international war (1778-81), and Britain defeated (1781-83).
In his introduction, Morley opens a careful account of the trends in
opinion at the outset of the period, although there is not a comparable
discussion of the difficulties of assessing opinion. He argues that
"old political orthodoxies were beginning to break down among Irish
Anglicans by 1760" (p. 27). Irish Presbyterians "gave no indication
that they were any less supportive of the constitutional status quo than
their coreligionists in Scotland" (p. 39), but the stress they placed on
the right to resist unconstitutional exactions was to make them more
willing to accept the themes of American patriots. In the 1760s and
early 1770s, colonial unrest was seen as part of a wider malaise in the
empire, but as late as 1775 "it would be a mistake to think that
American affairs loomed particularly large in the consciousness of the
Irish political nation" (pp. 95-96), and direct contact between American
and Irish patriots was fitful. Interest shot up with the outbreak of
hostilities. Opposition to the war was strongest among the
Presbyterians. Hostility to the American cause rose with American
independence, while the move towards war with France rallied Protestants
around the Crown, at the same time that it had a very different impact
on "lower-class Catholics" (p. 169). For the latter, as Morley points
out, their attitude towards the conflict, certainly, at least as it was
reflected in the vernacular literature of the period, owed nothing to
arcane constitutional arguments about the powers of Parliament. Instead,
the conflict was interpreted in the light of a long-standing world-view
that assumed the persecution of Catholics by the established church, the
oppression of Ireland by England, and the illegitimacy of the Revolution
Settlement. The prevalence of such an outlook did not imply that they
would necessarily sympathize with the American rebels but it did
preclude the possibility of widespread support for Britain. The
Catholic elite had a very different view: they sought, by loyalty, to
win an improvement in their legal position, but, by 1781, Morley
suggests, there was a measure of convergence between the Anglo-Irish
patriot opposition and the "lower-class Catholics." Political tension
persisted beyond the end of the war, as the "glacier of Irish politics
which had remained almost immobile since 1691" continued to thaw (p.
331). Morley does not trace this to the impact of American ideas, and,
instead, emphasizes the consequences of the international conjuncture,
specifically the limited ability of the government to oppose Irish
demands.

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From: "M. A. Ruff"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Competition? 5

Dear Paddy

I also don't understand why normal life has to go on hold because some
things haven't yet happened - and may not. How will the absence of a
quiz help either way? As a newcomer to diaspora studies, your quiz may
well be beyond me, but it would surely be more stimulating than some
recent messages to the list and there are many things around still to
celebrate. For heaven's sake, go ahead with it, please!

Cheers
Moira

From: "Nieciecki, Daniel"
To: "'irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk'"
Subject: RE: Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Competition? 2

Paddy,

I, for one, am at least interested in learning what the Irish-Diaspora
list St. Patrick's Day Competition entails. I think that such a
competition would provide a much needed distraction from the
interminable bombardment of pro-war and anti-war opinions, punditry,
soundbites, speeches, protests, and demagoguery that seems to assault us
no matter where we may try to seek refuge.

I generally disapprove of making such a drastic compartmentalization,
but I signed on this list to learn more about scholarly work in the
Irish diaspora, which is something not easy to come by for me. If I want
to read about the war, I can easily turn on the telly or the radio or
surf any of the millions of websites devoted to that topic.

I support your decision!

Daniel Oisín Nieciecki

From: "William Mulligan Jr."
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D You are Irish, I think 7

Patrick Maume raises a very important issue for those of us who
study the Diaspora--just who is "Irish" and how is that determined.
Since his post I have been thinking about the issue both in terms of my
research and my own "life experience."

It is very clear that Irish-born emigrants/immigrants who
arrived in the Michigan Copper Country in the middle of the
nineteenth-century were seen as "Irish" by the larger society and saw
themselves as Irish. This is also true for their children. It is
becoming clear that being Irish involved a somewhat different status
over time, with those who arrived early in the region's settlement
facing far fewer obstacles to social/economic mobility than those who
came (by migration or birth) later. Yet, I have found no Catholics who
did not identify themselves as Irish. The continuing identification of
members of this community across several generation as Irish is not JUST
identification by the larger society. The Irish in Hancock, Michigan
fought the bishop for a parish separate from German and French-Canadian
Catholics to the point of being put briefly under an interdict because
of their refusal to accept the pastor he sent. The Quincy Mining
Company, when it decided to "reduce the number of that nationality" in
1887 included third generation people as Irish. Place of birth was not
the determining factor. This is something I am exploring as I move ahead
with my research.

In terms of my life experience, let's start with the less
personal. I teach at Murray State University in far western Kentucky.
I've been here ten years. We're about 50 miles from the Mississippi
River -- to let those of you who don't know Murray get a sense of where
I am.:-) Most of our students are drawn from within a 200 mile radius
and many have last names that are, or could be, Irish. Yet, few are
Catholic -- most of our Catholic students are German or English, but
that's probably more than anyone on the list wants to read about -- and
they do NOT think of themselves as Irish, unless they've done some
family history. If they've done that they are often confused because
they don't fit their own understanding of being Irish. In fact, they are
almost all part of the pre-1820 emigration and their connection to
Ireland is many generations in the past -- and largely forgotten as part
of their personal identity. Are they Irish? If so, what does it really
mean to them? I did get a very large enrollment (for MSU) when I taught
history of Ireland and we are going ahead with that as permanent course
as well as one on the Diaspora -- so perhaps there is a vestigial sense
of identification with "Irishness", but on a day-to-day basis and in
terms of personal identity it is not really there -- and it could be.
So, where do people like this fit into the Diaspora?

On the more personal level. I was born in 1948 in Brooklyn, NY
and have always known I was Irish. None of my grandparents were born in
Ireland but four of my eight great-grandparents were. Tracing back, all
trails lead to Ireland, one ancestor was an Irish Quaker from County
Armagh who emigrated in 1682. Still, four generations removed from
Ireland, I have always been treated as Irish, from elementary school in
the parish school forward -- I have always been seen as Irish. In part
this may be due to having an identifiably "Irish" family name and also
fitting the stereotype of the Irish in America since my grandfather,
uncle, father, several great uncles, five first cousins, and brother are
police officers in New York City or its environs. -- there is a basis
for these stereotypes, I guess.

So, the issue Patrick Maume raises is a significant one I think
for Diaspora studies -- how do we determine who in the Diaspora is
Irish? And, just what does that mean? Will we, the people who study the
Diaspora, let people opt out? What does it really mean to be Irish? I
still think I am, but I'm not sure about some of the others :-)

Bill Mulligan

Please Note New Address: BillMulligan[at]murray-ky.net

From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Irish seminars/functions in Melbourne

Dear Paddy,

I'd be grateful if you could circulate the following programme of
Irish seminars/functions being held in Melbourne over the next few
months. Anyone in, or within reach of, Melbourne would be most
welcome to attend.

MELBOURNE IRISH STUDIES SEMINARS, 2003

Newman College, Swanston Street
5.45 Drinks; 6. 00 Paper; 6.45 Discussion; 7.15 Dinner

March-May Programme

Wed. 19 March
Dr Jennifer Harrison (History Dept., University of Queensland) 'Without
Favour or Affection': Transported Irish Police Constables, 1823-4

Tues. 1 April
Dr Philomena Murray (Director, Contemporary European Research Centre,
University of Melbourne)
The Changing Dynamics of Irish-Australian Relations: New Forms of
Dialogue and Transnational Processes

Tues. 29 April
Dr Pamela O'Neill (Celtic Studies Dept., University of Sydney) The Book
of Durrow inter alia: Some Comparisons for a 7th-Century
Illuminated Gospel Book

Tues. 27 May
Dr Charles Fahey (La Trobe University, Bendigo)
'A Fine Country for the Irish': the Irish in 19th-Century Rural Victoria

(The August-October Programme is nearly finalised and will be
circulated later.)

ST PATRICK'S DAY

The President of Ireland will be in Melbourne on 16 and 17 March and
various functions have been arranged to mark her visit, in addition
to a large number of events that occur here every year on and around
the 17th.

This year an important new book on Irish medieval and women's history
will be launched at Melbourne University on Mon. 17 March at 5.30 in
the Gryphon Gallery, 1888 Building, entry from Grattan Street.

'Women and the Church in Medieval Ireland, c.1140-1540'
Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2003

By Dr Dianne Hall

RSVP: by Thurs. 13 March, to dhall[at]unimelb.edu.au

ELM


Dr Elizabeth Malcolm
Gerry Higgins Professor of Irish Studies
Deputy Head of Department
Department of History, University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010, AUSTRALIA

Telephone: +61-3-8344 3924; FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au

From: "James O'Keeffe"
Subject: Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Competition? 6


Patrick

Surely the St Patrick's Day Competition should be
forthcoming irrespective of events that may currently be
happening in the world. But the aids epidemic in Africa and
China should worry mankind much more that the despots of N
Korea and Iraq.

Regards

Jim

----------------------
James O'Keeffe
Department Administrator
Department of Education
London Metropolitan University
j.okeeffe[at]londonmet.ac.uk
tel: 020 7133 2661
x 2661, Rm L101

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Going over the messages that came in during my most recent quarrel with
the winter viruses...

I am forwarding 2 messages from Maggie Tolliday of the Carroll
Foundation.

The messages are self-explanatory. The Carroll Foundation Irish Library
is for sale. The collection amounts to some 200 items, and the
description given below in message 2 is accurate. It is an interesting
collection from a certain period, and might interest an institution with
funds and ambitions.

If you or your institution is interested, contact Maggie Tolliday
directly.

However, given that Maggie Tolliday says that she is going to be on
holiday, I do have the list of books here as a Word document, and I
would be willing to forward that list as an email attachment to anyone
who is interested.

P.O'S.


1.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Carroll Foundation
admin[at]carrollfoundation.org.uk
Subject: UNIQUE IRISH BOOK COLLECTION: SALE UPDATE

Further to my email giving details of the collection of books offered
for sale by the Carroll Foundation, I thought it would be useful if you
were aware of the current arrangements.

The book collection is at present in storage and there have been
difficulties in arranging suitable opportunities for viewing. For this
reason we have decided to extend the deadline for bids to Sunday 30th
March.

The final viewing will take place on Tuesday 25th March at:

The Chiltern Hotel
Waller Avenue
Luton LU4 9RU

Location map: www.regalhotels.co.uk/thechiltern

Times: 10.00am - 4.00pm

I do hope you will be able to come and view the books, which I am sure
you will find impressive. Please could you let me know whether you are
interested in attending.

I will be out of the country from tomorrow evening 11th March until 20th
March
I am uncertain if my mobile phone (07753 824954) will be accessible
while I am away, but I will be checking my email regularly. To ensure
that I have no email problems, please could you copy your replies to
maggietolliday[at]hotmail.com.

If you would like any further information on particular items, please do
not hesitate to contact me.

Best wishes

Maggie Tolliday


2.
- -----Original Message-----
Subject: UNIQUE COLLECTION OF IRISH BOOKS AND DOCUMENTS OFFERED FOR SALE

Owing to a change of policy the Carroll Foundation has reluctantly
decided to dispose of part of the Carroll Institute Collection of books
and documents relating to the history of Ireland. To this end I am
writing to offer you the opportunity of bidding for items in the
collection.

The Carroll Foundation is seeking offers for individual items, but we
are also interested in offers for the full list as a whole.

This is a large general collection of Irish books from the sixteenth to
the twentieth centuries, with the main strength of the collection being
works published during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. The
volumes are mainly devoted to history and politics together with a
number of scarce Jacobite volumes, and an extensive collection of the
Irish rolls and Calendars of State papers covering some of the most
complex periods of Irish Tudor, Stuart and Cromwellian history. There
are also important 19th century topographical works with steel
engravings of Irish scenery and townscapes, and genealogical works with
family heraldic material.

All the books (with only one or two exceptions) are in fine repair. Many
have been rebound in gilt leather covers, and rare pamphlets have been
boxed, so the library is both an important scholarly collection and a
remarkably handsome one.

This library would create a foundation for either an individual or an
institution seeking to begin an Irish collection, but many established
libraries will find rare gems that only turn up once in a lifetime. The
attached catalogue is only a quick snapshot of the individual items and
hardly does justice to the quality of these volumes.

Further details of individual items can be supplied.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Maggie Tolliday, Board Secretary
Bernard Canavan, Consultant

Subject: Re: Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Competition? 2


From: Patrick Maume

Dear Paddy,
Pity about the St. Patrick's Day competition - I was quite
looking forward to it.
Best wishes,
Patrick
----------------------
patrick maume

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I take it you don't want a traditional Irish-Diaspora list St. Patrick's
Day Cometition, then?

I am going to allow through to Ir-D the messages received over night
about the looming world crisis.

And then that is it.

Would Ir-D members then confine their postings to the matters relevant
to scholarly study of the Irish Diaspora.

There is going to be no further discussion about this. I am not going
to be drawn into detailed explanation about why a specific message was
rejected. If a message is rejected, then it is rejected.

Paddy


- --
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From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of...

Mary Thompson
Mary.Thompson[at]spd.dcu.ie
Subject: Moving On Irish Research Seminar 4-5 April Register now


MOVING ON IRISH RESEARCH SEMINAR

WHERE: ST PATRICK'S COLLEGE DRUMCONDRA
WHEN: 4-5 APRIL 2003

SPEAKERS
John Kelly (Oxon); Kathleen Biddick (Notre Dame, Indiana); Minister
Michael McDowell; Blake Morrison; Caroline Walsh (The Irish Times); Jane
Ohlmeyer (TCD); David Wheatley (UHull)

will engage with their audience in provocative and challenging
discussion on aspects of Irish history, literature, the law, culture and
education.

This is an opportunity to explore interdisciplinary links. Faculty,
graduate students, and the public will be welcome.

For more information, or to register, please contact

Mary Shine Thompson
or
Nicholas Allen

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