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13 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 13 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Working-class Migrant Irish Autobiography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.f5F03880.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Working-class Migrant Irish Autobiography
  
Jessica March
  
From: Jessica March
Subject: Working-class Migrant Autobiography


As part of my research on autobiographies of the working-class Irish in
twentieth century Britain I want to look at unpublished examples. My
attempts to find appropriate archives have so far been unsuccessful.
Does anyone have any suggestions?

I remember reading in the Irish Post, a few years ago now, a request for
autobiography manuscripts by a (History?)doctoral student - I don't
suppose it was any one on the Ir-D list?

Come to think of it, does anyone out there (Irish or second gen. living
in Britain) have a manuscript they would be prepared to donate to
doctoral research? If so, please get in touch, if not, please get
writing!

In eager anticipation,

Jessica March

DPhil Student,
St John's College,
Oxford
OX1 3JP
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13 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 13 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Reinventing Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.AbFf1B8f3879.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Reinventing Ireland
  
Steve McCabe
  
From: Steve McCabe
To: "'irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk'"
Subject: Reinventing Ireland

On a recent trip to Ireland I cam across a book Reinventing Ireland
(2002)which is a series of essays edited by Peadar Kirby, Luke Gibbons
and Michael Cronin. I'll quote from the flyleaf:

Since the 1980s the Irish economy has experienced a period of
unprecedented growth which has earned it the title Celtic
Tiger....The
chapters in this book challenge the largely positive interpretation
of
Ireland's changing social order. The Authors identify ways in which
culture and society have been made subservient to the needs of the
market in
the new neo-liberal Ireland. [The authors] draw on subversive
strands in Irish history and offer a broader and more robust
understanding of culture as a site of resistance to the dominant social
order as a political means to fashion an alternative future.

Have any other contributors read this book? As a critique of how modern
Ireland apes the worst excesses of Capitalism, it provides useful
thought. Ireland is clearly a country where, indeed, the rich are
getting richer and, well, you know what happens to the poor... Even more
sadly, the Government see more draconian use of powers as a way of
regulating transgressors is deeply depressing. As the editors say in
their introduction, 'There are now more people in Irish jails than ever
before in the history of the state...the fact that many tigers in the
developed world end up in cages is an ironic reminder of the penal
realities of contemporary Irish society. Those who end up behind bars
are almost invariably the poor and the disadvantaged' (ibid:9)

I would welcome opinions of any others who have seen what is a very fine
book.

I would also make observations about the state of supposed Irish
neutrality in the face of coming conflict. It appears that this stance
is now being severly tested lest American inward investors move
elsewhere. The trouble is, how to also keep the rest of Europe happy.
Where the relationship with the UK fits is, I do not know.

Finally, as a footnote to the question of whether people admit to being
Irish, I would draw attention to the experience of being Irish in
Birmingham. In the aftermath of the dreadful bombings of 1974 it was
wise to keep your head down and, wherever possible, not allow your
accent to be heard; as a 'plastic' I never had a problem. However, the
renaissance of the Irish in this city has been remarkable: the third
largest St. Patrick's Day parade in the world; an Irish Quarter in
Digbeth; and now, a book by a local professor of history, Carl Chinn,
celebrating the contribution of the Irish. What is surprising is that
much of the development has been led by the children of those who saw
their parents being treated, in some cases, as no better than refugees
currently are; i.e. merely to be tolerated or, as some recommended, to
be forced to carry identity cards.

Dr. Steve McCabe
University of Central England in Birmingham
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13 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 13 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.5F2B3878.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish
  
Jones Irwin
  
From: "Jones Irwin"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish

Hi everybody,

I am curently working on the issue of 'inter-culturalism' in Ireland,
with especial emphasis on intercultural education(or the lack of it!).
As part of this work, I am very interested in looking at studies of
relations between Irish communities and other communities outside
Ireland. I am especially interested in relations in the UK between Irish
communities and other 'immigrant' communities. Any references to books
or articles would be very helpful.

Many thanks in advance,

Jones


Dr Jones Irwin
Lecturer in Philosophy
Education Department
St Patrick's College
Drumcondra, Dublin 9
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13 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 13 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D The Global Review of Ethnopolitics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.7c233877.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D The Global Review of Ethnopolitics
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The following message about the latest issue of The Global Review of
Ethnopolitics is now being distributed. The Global Review is freely
available on the web site.

THE GLOBAL REVIEW OF ETHNOPOLITICS
Vol. II, no. 2, January 2003

This issue includes...

ARTICLE
Thomas C. Davis (Cameron University)
The Irish and their Nation: A Survey of Recent Attitudes

REVIEW ESSAY
Stephen Ryan (University of Ulster)
Peace and Conflict Studies Today

WEBSITE REVIEW
Stephen Hopkins (U of Leicester)
Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN)
This is the excellent website that provides material on the conflicts in
Northern Ireland.

Amongst the many book reviews I would call attention to Niall O
Dochtaraigh on O'Leary et al, Right-Sizing the State: The Politics of
Moving Border - this book offers a critique and development of Ian
Lustick.

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:47:30 -0000
From: Stefan Wolff

The latest issue of THE GLOBAL REVIEW OF ETHNOPOLITICS is available at
www.ethnopolitics.org.

Featuring articles by Florian Bieber, Thomas C. Davis and Andrei Panici;
a forum discussion on India with contributions Gurharpal Singh, Niraja
Gopal Jayal, Katharine Adeney and Maya Chadda; a contribution to our
practitioners' corner by Heribert Adam and Kogila Moodley; a research
note by Sandra F. Joireman; a review essay by Stephen Ryan; a website
review by Stephen Hopkins; and twenty pages of book reviews.

All items can be read online and downloaded free of charge.

Best wishes,

Stefan Wolff & Karl Cordell

--------------------------------

Editors

The Global Review of Ethnopolitics
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14 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 14 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.ddCB3884.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Is anyone able to help with this request from Greg Geddes in New York?

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Geddes
gegeddes[at]stny.rr.com
Subject: T.J. Kiernan

Hello - my name is Greg Geddes, and I'm a doctoral student at Binghamton

University, the State University of New York. I'm currently doing work
on Irish emigration to Australia, and have reached a dead-end in my
search for a copy -- in the U.S. -- of T.J. Kiernan's "The Irish Exiles
in Australia" (1954). I found your center through a simple Google
search, and I was hoping that perhaps you could help.

I don't mean to impose, but I would very much like to obtain a copy of
the book, and was wondering if you had any suggestions. Is any portion
of the book on-line? Do you know of any U.S. university or other
institution that might have a copy?

I realize that these are difficult questions and I apologize for their
broadness, but I've gotten nowhere in my search for a copy. I've seen
it in bibliographies in other books (Patrick O'Farrell's "The Irish in
Australia" for example), and I know it's quite highly regarded.

Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I thank
you for reading and for your time.

Sincerely,

Greg Geddes
Binghamton University, SUNY
Binghamton, NY

gegeddes[at]stny.rr.com
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14 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 14 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.46ADf3885.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish 3
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Our USA colleagues will know more than I do. But there is a distinct
genre within the study of immigrant communities in America - and the
ideal type is most probably the still very readable...

Ronald H. Bayor, _Neighbors in Conflict: The Irish, Germans, Jews and
Itanlians of New York City, 1929-1941_, Johns Hopkins UP, 1978.

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
From: "Jones Irwin"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D Interculturalism and the Irish

Hi everybody,

I am curently working on the issue of 'inter-culturalism' in Ireland,
with especial emphasis on intercultural education(or the lack of it!).
As part of this work, I am very interested in looking at studies of
relations between Irish communities and other communities outside
Ireland. I am especially interested in relations in the UK between Irish
communities and other 'immigrant' communities. Any references to books
or articles would be very helpful.

Many thanks in advance,

Jones


Dr Jones Irwin
Lecturer in Philosophy
Education Department
St Patrick's College
Drumcondra, Dublin 9
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14 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 14 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Our St. Patrick's Day Competition, 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.eE1DFc3883.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Our St. Patrick's Day Competition, 2003
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

By popular demand...

The Irish-Diaspora list traditional St. Patrick's Day Competition.

Our traditional St. Patrick's Day Competition for 2003 is inspired by
Jill Murphy, _Peace at Last_, Macmillan, 1980 - a deeply-felt work,
which will be familiar to the parents of small children.

The Competition requirements this year are short, simple and easy.
Competitors are asked to supply just 2 things...

1.
A title.

2.
A sentence.

1.
The title should be the title of an imaginary, hitherto unknown and
unread, work which broadly falls within the fields of Irish Studies and
Irish Diaspora Studies. It could therefore be a work of Irish or Irish
Diaspora history, Irish or Irish Diaspora literature, Irish or Irish
heritage autobiography, or a work which comments on other such works,
real or imaginary. The title could be the title of a book, learned or
unlearned, or of an article, learned or unlearned. If the title is the
title of a learned article then the use of colons, "quotation marks" and
parentheses is (not) essential.

2.
The sentence should be the first sentence of this imagined work. The
sentence should be of such unmitigated and dire awfulness that the
reader can read no further. And perhaps need read no further.

Entries should be sent, as an email, to this speial competition email
address...
comp[at]irishdiaspora.net

Good examples will be shared with the Irish-Diaspora list. We will let
the Competition run until the end of March 2003.

Prizes will be awarded. The prizes are usually my spare copies of key
Irish Diaspora Studies texts.

Paddy


- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan
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Yorkshire
England
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16 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.7aac513891.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora 2
  
Sean Mc Cartan
  
From: "Sean Mc Cartan"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora

Moira
About 10 years ago there was a festival in Clifden County Galway to
celebrate the centenary of Alcock and Brown's first flight across the
Atlantic. Amongst the American visitors was a group of dancers from St
John's Newfoundland. They had an accodianist who rattled out jigs etc
and the group danced in formation. Their style was dissimilar to what
we have in Ireland. I discussed this with some of the party. Was
informed that they all went to the same Christian Brothers' School in
Newfoundland where such dancing was part of the curriculum for
generations. None of them had been to Ireland before but all claimed
Irish ancestry from mid nineteenth century and before.

Their dancing caught my attention because the steps resembled those
witnessed by me from an elderly gentleman from a remote part of Tyrone
years before. I often wondered if Newfoundlanders had preserved a
tradition long since died out here in Ireland.

Sean.
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16 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.0bd42cbC3894.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 7
  
Jessica March
  
From: Jessica March
Subject: Re: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 5

There are a couple of reasonably priced copies of this book available on
www.abe.com

All the best,

Jessica March.
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16 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.CD1f2f73893.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 6
  
patrick maume
  
From: patrick maume
Sender: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK


From: Patrick Maume
I think the Central Catholic Library in Merrion Square, Dublin 2
has a copy - but I don't know if they do inter-laibrary loans
Best wishes,
Patrick
On 16 March 2003 05:59 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: Dymphna Lonergan
> Subject: Re: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request
>
> It's in my university library's central collection
> (Flinders University of South Australia) so should be available via
> inter library loan. Contact details will be at
> www.flinders.edu.au
>
>
>
> slán
> Dymphna Lonergan
>
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16 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D New Journal, Early American Studies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.1c2b3892.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D New Journal, Early American Studies
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

For information...

Note that the first issue will include Margaret H. McAleer on Irish
Radicals in Philadelphia during the 1790s...

P.O'S.

- -----Original Message-----
From: "George W. Boudreau"
Subject: New McNeil Center Publication

McNeil Center to Publish New Journal

The McNeil Center for Early American Studies will publish Early American
Studies, a new semiannual journal, in cooperation with the University of
Pennsylvania Press. Daniel K. Richter, the Center?s director, stated
that the publication will include outstanding papers presented at its
seminars, conferences, and other events as well as other works by
leading early Americanists. The first issue is slated to appear in early
April.

George W. Boudreau, a faculty member at Penn State University?s Capital
College, will serve as the journal?s editor. William Pencak, of Penn?s
State?s University Park campus, will be consulting editor. Boudreau and
Pencak previously edited Explorations in Early American Culture from
1998-2001, the annual volume of essays from the McNeil Center and
predecessor of the current volume. "Our new name reflects the vitality
of early American studies in all fields, and the exciting work being
done by fellows and associates of the McNeil Center," Boudreau said. The
journal will draw from the fields of early American history before 1850,
literary studies, material culture and art history, and other fields,
all reflecting the publication?s subtitle "An Interdisciplinary
Journal".

Like all McNeil Center programs, Boudreau said, Early American Studies
will put new scholars at the center of its focus. In addition to
publishing work by senior scholars in each issue, those at the beginning
of their careers will be a special emphasis. Graduate fellows and recent
Ph.D. recipients whose papers have been presented to the Center will be
go through the peer-review process conducted by the journal editorial
board. Those that are invited to publish in the journal will be assigned
a mentor from among the Center?s senior associates.

Founded in 1978 by University of Pennsylvania History Professor Richard
S. Dunn as the Philadelphia Center for Early American Studies, and
renamed the McNeil Center for Early American Studies in 1998 in honor of
its chief benefactor, Robert L. McNeil, Jr., the Center has become a
major research institution for the study of early America. Over 100
dissertation level graduate students have received year-long fellowships
to be in residence at the Center. Fellows traditionally conduct research
at Philadelphia?s world- class libraries and archives as well as
participate in the Center?s regular Friday seminars, lunchtime research
paper discussion sessions, summer colloquia, and an evening research
series sponsored by Michael Zuckerman affectionately called "the salon."
All Center events are open to interested individuals, and draw
participants from around the greater Philadelphia region, as well as
visiting scholars from around the country and the world.

The McNeil Center most recently made news with the announcement of a
major financial gift from Robert McNeil that will allow the Center to
construct a new building on the University of Pennsylvania campus.

Articles in the first issue will include: "The Fabricated Region: On the
Insufficiency of ?Colonies? for Understanding American Colonial History
by Wayne Bodle (Indiana University of Pennsylvania); "The Pennsylvania
Difference: Religious Diversity on the Delaware before 1683" by Evan
Haefeli (Tufts University); "?A Good Relationship, &
Commerce?: The Native Political Economy of the Arkansas River Valley" by
Kathleen DuVal (postdoctoral fellow of the McNeil Center); "The
Strangers? Store: Moral Capitalism in Moravian Bethlehem, 1753-75" by
Katherine Carté Engel (University of Wisconsin); "?Many Who Wandered in
Darkness?: The Contest over American National Identity, 1795-98" by
Matthew Rainbow Hale (Mississippi State University); "In Defense of
Civil Society: Irish Radicals in Philadelphia during the 1790s" Margaret
H. McAleer (Library of Congress ); "?Tending to Edify, Astonish, and
Instruct?": Published Narratives of Spiritual Dreams and Visions in the
Early Republic" by Ann Kirschner (University of Delaware); "Vox Populi:
Spiritualism and George Washington?s Postmortem Career" by Robert S. Cox
(American Philosophical Society ); and "New Books, New Men:
City-Mysteries Fiction, Authorship, and the Literary Market" by Paul
Erickson (University of Texas).

For further information, or to subscribe to Early American Studies,
visit the Center?s
website: http://www.mceas.org/eas.htm.
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Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.c2E73890.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 5
  
Sean Mc Cartan
  
From: "Sean Mc Cartan"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request

Copy of this book in Queens University Belfast http://www.qub.ac.uk/lib/

sean
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Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.ab2Efcc23888.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora
  
M. A. Ruff
  
From: "M. A. Ruff"
Subject: Irish dance query

Dear Patrick

Thanks for the Competition! And a happy Saint's day to you. Would you
be kind enough to distribute the following for me?:

My research is into contemporary Irish dance and I am looking at schools
in Ireland and England.

Helen Brennan and John Cullinane have produced authoritative work in the
area and John contributed to the IWW3 The Creative Migrant. Helen
Brennan has produced evidence of wide ranging dance practices across
Ireland, from organised learning from dancing masters to less formalised
outside and house dance events - with regional variations and
repertoires and varied styles. Such colourful pictures of such a vibrant
social life that I find myself truly envious of those dancers of a past
life. John's work endorses this, but where he writes about the
diaspora, it often relates to developments affecting the Irish Dancing
Commission culture and its founders and members. I am assured that the
teachers he writes about formed the first known organised schools of
dance in some areas - but what of the other less formalised dance
practices? Where were they? Invisible or private?

I would be interested to know if there is anything recorded about
non-Irish Dancing Commission (or indeed, non-Gaelic League) dance in the
diaspora, particularly around the 1950s-1960s. After house dances were
made illegal in Ireland, wouldn't there be a special pleasure in
re-enacting them elsewhere? The musicians were still playing outside
their homeland, so why not spontaneous stepping or Stacks of Barley or a
half-set? And if anyone knows of any studies which are into or include
Irish dance in any form tucked away somewhere where I haven't found them
yet, I would really appreciate information, please - and I would
certainly love to hear from anyone who might be researching Irish dance.

Many thanks
Moira Ruff
Research Officer
Department of Law, University of Sheffield
Crookesmoor Building, Conduit Road
Sheffield S10 1FL
Tel: 0114 222 6776
Fax: 0114 222 6832
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Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.287563904.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora 3
  
M. A. Ruff
  
From: "M. A. Ruff"
To:
Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora 2

Dear Sean

Thank you for your observations and maybe I could extend on them? If you
go to the Newfoundland heritage page and the Society and Culture section
(created by Memorial University) at
{http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/}, it states that original immigrants
were from England and Ireland and also France - there is a page on the
dance too. The English had percussive and light step dance and social
dances as well as the Irish (as an English step dancer, I know this!),
as did the Scots and French, so who knows where the dance form you saw
originated - probably more than one source. And as Helen Brennan's
book, "The Story of Irish Dance" details, there were many more forms of
dancing in Ireland than that
defined/owned as truly Irish by the Gaelic League. Perhaps this dance
is a
throwback, but ...

What is more significant to me is the participants' perceptions of
origins and authenticity - there is an interesting page on Cape Breton
dancing, which refers to this situation there (and the idea of "invented
tradition") and makes reference to Colin Quigley's work on Newfoundland
dance (in which he also mentioned that dance masters came up from
Boston) and discussions on whether the dance forms are Irish or Scottish
in origin - {http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/Albanuadh/4.2.html} The idea
of Cape Breton dance being of pre-clearances Scottish origin (and so
before religious prohibition of dance), and therefore a "lost" form,
took hold in Scotland and it is now being taught there. I have been to
workshops where it has been taught as valid Scottish stepping - and
which indeed it will become over time (and who will "own" it then?).
See Maggie Moore's justification for this at
{http://www.tullochgorm.com/scottish.html}.

It is interesting in this respect to reflect that the first Irish Gaelic
League ceili happened in London modelled on the social activities of the
Scottish Caledonian Society, who were amongst the guests, and that John
Cullinane's research into Irish Dance in Australia (in IWW3 The Creative
Migrant) shows it as happening originally within or alongside the
cultural framework of the Scottish immigrant community.

For anyone looking at cultural dispositions in the diaspora and the
reflections on this "back home", this is quite interesting stuff.

Cheers
Moira

- -----Original Message-----
From: "Sean Mc Cartan"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish dance in diaspora

Moira
About 10 years ago there was a festival in Clifden County Galway to
celebrate the centenary of Alcock and Brown's first flight across the
Atlantic. Amongst the American visitors was a group of dancers from St
John's Newfoundland. They had an accodianist who rattled out jigs etc
and the group danced in formation. Their style was dissimilar to what
we have in Ireland. I discussed this with some of the party. Was
informed that they all went to the same Christian Brothers' School in
Newfoundland where such dancing was part of the curriculum for
generations. None of them had been to Ireland before but all claimed
Irish ancestry from mid nineteenth century and before.

Their dancing caught my attention because the steps resembled those
witnessed by me from an elderly gentleman from a remote part of Tyrone
years before. I often wondered if Newfoundlanders had preserved a
tradition long since died out here in Ireland.

Sean.
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Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.2f4E13886.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 2
  
Dymphna Lonergan
  
From: Dymphna Lonergan
Subject: Re: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request

It's in my university library's central collection
(Flinders University of South Australia) so should be
available via inter library loan. Contact details will
be at
www.flinders.edu.au



slán
Dymphna Lonergan

=====
Go raibh tú daibhir i mí-áidh/May you be poor in ill-luck
Agus saibhir i mbeannachtaí/rich in blessings
Go mall ag déanamh namhaid/slow to make enemies
go luath a déanamh carad/quick to make friends
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16 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.De3Ab3889.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 4
  
janisel
  
From: janisel
Subject: RE: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request

Hello,

There are two copies of T.J. Kiernan's "The Irish Exiles in Australia"
in the
Boston College library system. They should be available through
interlibrary
loan.

Sincerely,

Ely Janis



Mr. Ely M. Janis
Ph. D. Student
History Department
Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
janisel[at]bc.edu
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Date: 16 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.455BfD3887.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles 3
  
Elizabeth Malcolm
  
From: Elizabeth Malcolm
Subject: Re: Ir-D T.J. Kiernan, Exiles, Request

Greg,

I have a copy of this book. It's not particularly rare. I bought it
from an Irish secondhand/antiquarian book seller some years ago and
I've seen it in catalogues subsequently. (JF Hogan's 'The Irish in
Australia' (1888) is the other main pre-O'Farrell general account,
but I've not been able to lay my hands on a copy of that, though I'd
like to.)

I'm sure my university library would have it, as I suspect would most
other Australian university libraries, plus the Australian National
Library in Canberra. You could therefore presumably get a copy
through university inter-library loan.

As for the US, what about the Library of Congress? I'm not aware of
US universities teaching Australian history that might have a copy,
but I can enquire here as I'm sure there would be ones. Perhaps
someone else on the list might be able to help in this regard.

If this doesn't work, I could copy sections and send them - it's not
a big book.

Elizabeth Malcolm
Professor of Irish Studies
University of Melbourne


Dr Elizabeth Malcolm
Gerry Higgins Professor of Irish Studies
Deputy Head of Department
Department of History, University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010, AUSTRALIA

Telephone: +61-3-8344 3924; FAX: +61-3-8344 7894
Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
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17 March 2003 05:59  
  
Date: 17 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D `No Irish' 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.00E33901.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D `No Irish' 2
  
Kerby Miller
  
From: Kerby Miller
Subject: Re: Ir-D Historian challenges the `No Irish' myth

Sorry, but I saw a "No Irish Wanted" sign at the Kansas City Public
Library, as part of a display, just a few days ago, and my cursory
survey of New York City newspapers in the late 1850s and early 1860s
turned up quite a few "No Irish Need Apply" notices, in at least one
out of every three or four daily issues I looked at.

I suggest that more attention be paid to Jensen's political and
ideological agenda, and less to his research. Then we might learn
something valuable and instructive.

Kerby Miller.




>From: "Richard Jensen"
>Subject: Good News for the Irish: Not Hated
>
>
>This story ran on page D4 of the Boston Globe on 3/16/2003.
>
>Fighting words
>A historian challenges the `No Irish' myth
>
>By Sean Lyons, 3/16/2003
>
>NOTHING SYMBOLIZES the hatred faced by Irish immigrants during their
>first century in America as strongly as the signs that used to hang
>outside factories and in shop windows: 'Help Wanted-No Irish Need
>Apply.'
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Date: 17 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Greetings from the President MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.bCDbfF43898.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D St. Patrick's Day Greetings from the President
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

I am forwarding, below, in English and in Irish, the Greetings of the
President of the Republic of Ireland...

P.O'S.


St Patrick's Greetings from the President

Beannachtaí na Feile Pádraig oraibh go leir. Warmest greetings to Irish
people around the world on St. Patrick?s Day.

On this day of celebration we honour Ireland?s great patron St. Patrick
and remember with gratitude the legacy of a man who came among us as an
unwelcome stranger. Today his name carries our island?s culture and
identity to virtually every corner of the earth and in his name people
around the world, with and without Irish ancestry, will gather as we do,
to commemorate his Feast Day. Through our annual celebrations we confirm
the importance of those unique links of friendship which Ireland is
privileged to have, the care of which falls to each successive
generation. St. Patrick?s Day challenges us to focus on the qualities
and values that make us proud to be Irish. Our celebrations around the
world with such a huge shared effort exemplify our love of country,
culture, heritage and hospitality. May they lift hearts, create happy
memories and inspire us to renew Patrick?s vision for Ireland as a
generous, tolerant, inclusive and peaceful place.

I extend my very best wishes to Irish people everywhere for a most
enjoyable celebration of this special day. Go neirí go geal libh.

MARY McALEESE
PRESIDENT OF IRELAND


TEACHTAIREACHT AN UACHTARÁIN

LÁ LE PÁDRAIG 2003

Beannachtaí na Féile Pádraig ar mhuintir na hÉireann sa bhaile agus i
gcéin.

Ar an lá ceiliúrtha náisiúnta seo cuimhníonn muid le bród agus le gean
ar Naomh Pádraig, éarlamh na hÉireann, a tháinig inár measc mar
dhú-choimhthíoch an chéad lá riamh. Sa lá atá inniu ann, i ngach aon
chearn den domhan, chóir a bheith, is ionann ainm Phádraig agus ainm na
hÉireann. Tá idir Ghaeil agus Ghaill cruinnithe le chéile inniu in
áiteanna sa bhaile agus i gcéin, le hómós a thabhairt do Phádraig agus
le ceiliúradh a dhéanamh ar chultúr agus ar fhéiniúlacht na hÉireann.

Agus muid i mbun an cheiliúrtha seo, deimhníonn muid tábhacht na
gceangal idirnáisiúnta agus na nascanna cairdis seo atá mar bhua agus
mar phribhléid ag glúin i ndiaidh glúine de mhuintir na hÉireann.
Cuireann Lá 'le Pádraig mórchúram orainn fosta: ní miste dúinn súil
ghlinn an iniúchóra a chaitheamh ar na luachanna agus ar na tréithe a
bhfuil muid, mar Éireannaigh, mórtasach astu.

Is léir do chách inniu an grá atá againn do thír, do chultúr, do dhúchas
agus d'fhéile na hÉireann. Go dtóga ceiliúradh an lae seo ár gcroí, go
gcruthaí sé dea-chuimhní agus go spreaga sé muid le fís Phádraig do thír
seo na hÉireann a chur i gcrích: Éire a bheas i gcónaí fial, flaithiúil,
caoinfhulangach, iniatach agus sítheach grách.

Go dtuga Dia Lá 'le Pádraig mór maith do mhuintir na hÉireann agus do
chairde na hÉireann uilig cibé áit a bhfuil sibh ar chlár na cruinne.

MÁIRE MHIC GHIOLLA ÍOSA
UACHTARÁN NA hÉIREANN
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Date: 17 March 2003 05:59 Reply-To: irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk Sender: From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Ir-D Our St. Patrick's Day Competition 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1312884592.bFBE8baF3897.5704[at]bradford.ac.uk> [IR-DLOG0303.txt]
  
Ir-D Our St. Patrick's Day Competition 2
  
Email Patrick O'Sullivan
  
From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The entries to our traditional St. Patrick's Day Competition are now
rolling in...

1.
Remember that all that is required is A Title and A Sentence.

And O those sentences! The rules asked for sentences of 'unmitigated
and dire awfulness' - but I not anticipated quite such awfulness. The
horror, the horror!

2.
Remember that entries should be sent, as an email, to this special
competition email address...


3.
To those who have asked for further clarification... I cannot think of
any reason why entries should be limited to one per person. So - there
is NO limit on the number of entries. If you think of a good one, send
it in. If you think of a better (worse) one - send that in too.

Similarly, I cannot think of any reason why entry should be limited to
members of the Irish-Diaspora list. But do you think that outsiders
will get it?


Paddy


- --
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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