From: patrick maume
Sender: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D `No Irish' 30


On 28 March 2003 05:59 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

>
>
> From: Marion Casey
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Ir-D `No Irish' 29


>
> NURSE OR SEAMSTRESS WANTED. -- To go in the country during the summer.

> A kind, conscientious and capable Protestant woman who can fill the
> place and make herself useful to a lady, can have a good situation,
> with a chance to spend the Summer in a quiet and healthy part of the
> country, and will be paid the highest wages. No Irish woman will be
> employed. Address D., box No. 1,960, lower Post-Office.

From: Patrick Maume
Interesting that the ad states separately that no Irish need
apply and that only a Protestant is wanted. Did it specifically
mean to exclude Irish Protestants as well as Catholics, or is it
afraid that Irish Catholics might pass themselves off as
Protestants (or that recent Irish converts to Protestantism
might retain undesirable Catholic characteristics)?
Best wishes,
Patrick

From: Joe Bradley
Subject: RE: Ir-D `No Irish' 31

Please don't end the debate regarding NINA - its been a productive one
in terms of provoking thoughts about relevant issues

Here's something that might be of some relevance

I was recently informed of a law graduate from Glasgow going for an
interview with a firm of solicitors in the area (on Friday 21st March
2003). The girl is third generation Irish and retains a very Irish name
- - lets say Sinead Flaherty. Her two interviewers informed her that they
were a bit down because their soccer team (Liverpool) had been beaten
the evening before (by Celtic from Glasgow in a European competition).
They also asked her if her 'family had just came off the boat'.

I've yet to find out whether she got the job or not but it did strike me
that this kind of scenario had some relevance to the current Diaspora
debate?

Dr Joe Bradley

From: WallsAMP[at]aol.com

I would like to say that I know nothing about newspaper employment
advertisements in the US in the distant past, but take issue with the
statement below of Professor Jensen -

"I did not say there were zero newspaper ads. ....It's just they were
very
rare for men and could not have been the cause of the NINA myth. The
evidence
is overwhelming that there was never any significant job discrimination
against Irish men"

Perhaps I am missing the point, but it seems to me that whether there
were
none/thousands of advertisements at this time, that it is a large leap
from
(if we assume Jensen to be correct about ad numbers) one or a few NINA
ads
to the conclusion that there was never any significant discrimination
against
Irish men. If one looks for example at the situation post the Race
Relations
Act in Britain when discriminatory ads were banned, this clearly did not

affect the persistence of discrimination in employment against Irish,
Black,
other minorities.

My point is that advertisements are not the only measure of whether
'significant discrimination' is actually occurring. My research on the
experiences of contemporary Irish Catholics in employment in Scotland
shows
that discrimination against Catholics has persisted into the 1970s, 80s
and
90s, and this is additionally backed up in the accounts of Protestants
who
did the discriminating. Most jobs were got through social networks, not
advertisements. Discriminatory advertisements in this case were illegal,
but
irrelevant to those who wish to discriminate. Also, community past
experience
of discrimination meant that certain employers would be avoided, thus
narrowing employment options for Catholics (indirect discrimination).
Also of
relevance to this debate was that it was Irish Catholics, not Irish
Protestants who were the obvious object of exclusionary practices which
doesn't make this to do with religion per se, but rather religion was a
marker of inferiorised native Irish origin.

I know this debate is about the 'myth' of the NINA ads, but think it
needs to
be emphasised one cannot leap from this to assumptions about the extent
of
discrimination i.e. the arguments about number of ads and extent of
discrimination are not necessarily as linked as Prof. Jensen would like
to
make out.

Paddy Walls

From: "Richard Jensen"
To:
Subject: Fw: Ir-D `No Irish' 34-


from Richard Jensen rjensen[at]uic.edu
I entirely agree with Paddy Walls that newspaper ads were
not the primary mechanism for the job search; word of mouth
and door-to-door inquiry dominated before 1920. However
they are a very useful indicator for historians, since they exist today
in exactly the same form as the original. New York City had the largest
Irish population--over 200,000 by 1860, or a fourth of the city. If the
New York Times published 10 ads a day, that's 3500 a year, or 170,000
over the period 1851-1900. It seems likely that if an employer was
willing to put up a NINA sign on the door he would be just as willing to
put NINA in an ad. Thanks to very new online sources we can search that
database by computer; thus far two NINA ads for men have turned up among
those 170,000. Doubtless there are a few more; I estimate fewer than one
ad in a thousand for men had an anti-Irish coda.

My essay explored numerous other ways to measure or discover job
discrimination. The Irish appear to have been as well accepted as the
British and German immigrants of the era. As far as textile mills--the
dominant factories throughout New England--they seem to have been more
accepted among employers than Protestants. The Protestants ["Lowell
Girls"] were fired to make way for the Catholics.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Our attention has been drawn to the following item...

Austin American-Statesman
March 16, 2003

Ex-Officer O'Neill Helps Save Irish Music

By DON BABWIN
Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO (AP)--On this St. Patrick's Day, raise a glass to Francis
O'Neill.

"If the name doesn't ring a bell, he was police superintendent in
Chicago a century ago. If it still doesn't sound like he warrants a
toast, listen to traditional Irish music. He saved it.

``Without him we would have no way to pick among the various (songs) and
say this is what they sounded like,' said Richard Jones, a music
librarian at the University of Notre Dame. The music ``would have died
or it would have gotten changed so much the original never would have
been remembered.'

The story of Francis O'Neill is the story of a man trying to preserve
the music of his people. Born in County Cork during the Great Famine
that killed as many as a million people, O'Neill grew up at a time when
people were leaving the country in droves searching for a better
life........."

For full text, go to the Austin American Statesman:
http://www.austin360.com/aas/life/ap/ap_story.html/Entertainment/AP.V901
9.AP-Irish-Music-Her.html
Copyright 2003, The Associated Press

Note that your own email line breaks might fracture that long web
address.

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publication
Journal of Social Policy

ISSN
0047-2794 electronic: 1469-7823

publisher
Cambridge University Press

year - volume - issue - page
2003 - 32 - 1 - 75

article

The 'Daring Experiment': The London County Council and the Discharge
from Care of Children to Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s

GARRETT, PAUL MICHAEL

abstract

This article examines the activities of the Children's Committee of the
London County Council (LCC) and what a contemporary newspaper referred
to as a 'daring experiment': its efforts to discharge children from
public care to Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s. Archival evidence reveals
how Irish children were identified and separated from English children
in care and, in many instances, sent to Ireland. It is maintained the
dominant constructions of 'Ireland' played a role in the scheme. In
addition, the LCC policy is examined and viewed in the context of other
exclusionary practices centred on Irish people in Britain in the
mid-twentieth century.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded for information...

P.O'S.

Between the lodge and the meeting-house: mapping Irish Protestant
identities and social worlds in late Victorian Toronto

Social & Cultural Geography, March 2003, vol. 4, no. 1, pp.
75-98(24)

Jenkins W.[1]

[1] Department of Geography, University of British Columbia, 1984 West
Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2

Abstract:
The urban lives of Irish Protestant immigrants and their descendants are
a neglected feature in geographies of the Irish diaspora. Prominent
settlers from the early nineteenth century, they played a key role in
the shaping of a host culture in Anglophone Canada. The social and
spatial processes that moulded Irish Protestants into a wider loyal
British identity are examined at a number of scales in Toronto, 'the
Belfast of North America'. After initially exploring the rhetoric and
practices of city-wide institutions that served many Irish Protestants,
the autobiographical reflections of John McAree are used as a case study
on the micro-geographies of everyday lives experienced within local
space as well as an empirical test for Bourdieu's ideas of practice and
'habitus'.

Keywords: Irish; Protestantism; identity; space; theory; Toronto.

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 1464-9365

SICI (online): 1464-9365(20030301)4:1L.75;1-

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For information...

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The Irish Alcohol Misuser in England: Ill served by Research and Policy?
Some suggestions for future research opportunities

Drugs: Education, Prevention & Policy, 1 January 2003, vol. 10, no. 1,
pp. 1-1(1)

Foster J.H.[1]

[1] Department of Health and Social Sciences, Middlesex University,
Enfield Campus, Queensway, Enfield, Middlesex EN3 4SF, UK

Abstract:
Inequalities in the physical and psychological health of the first- and
second-generation Irish subjects have been well documented. Despite the
fact that the Irish alcohol misuser is subject to a number of unhelpful
stereotypes, the research concerning alcohol misuse in the Irish is
surprisingly sparse. What little exists indicates that the Irish alcohol
misuser tend to fit the profile of the 'chronic alcoholic'; specifically
they tend to be older (45 years+) and to have impaired physical and
psychological health. Not surprisingly this is accompanied by poor
longitudinal outcomes. Furthermore, alcohol problems worsen as a result
of migration (this phenomenon is not restricted to the UK). Alcohol and
drug services are now frequently merged and policy is directed towards
the visible young illicit drug user. This paper argues that
inadvertently Irish alcohol misusers are discriminated against as a
result. Future avenues of research are outlined to provide services and
policy makers with data to plan services taking full account of the
needs of Irish alcohol misusers

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0968-7637

SICI (online): 0968-7637(20030101)10:1L.1;1-

From: Dave Featherstone
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Marxists on Irish Diaspora

I think Peter Linebaugh's and Marcus Rediker's work is probably some of
the
most significant Marxist inspired work on the Irish diaspora, and is
characterised by a particularly useful and provocative location of the
Irish as part of a multi-ethnic working class in the early modern
period.

See:

Linebaugh, P. 1992. The London Hanged. Cambridge University Press,
Cambridge, especially chapter If you plead for your life, plead in
Irish.

Linebaugh, P., Rediker, M., 2000. The Many Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves

and Commoners and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic.
Verso,
London.

Linebaugh, P., Rediker, M., 1991. The Many Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves

and the Atlantic Working Class. In: Howell, C., Twomey, R. (Eds.) Jack
Tar
in History: Essays in the History of Maritime Life and Labour. Acadienis

Press, New Brunswick, pp. 11-36.

James Connolly's work is also a very important attempt to think through
the
relevance of Marxism in different Irish contexts...

Dave Featherstone

From: "jamesam"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D `No Irish' 21

I found the 'no irish' tag in classified advertisements in the Brooklyn
Daily Eagle for 1877 while I was looking for my great-grandparents'
wedding notice. As I was doing genealogy and not a historical research,
I did not note the number of times I came across the denigrating notice.
Local papers need to be researched.

It is also not just enough to search the New York Times ads, as there
were many more newspapers in New York City (read: Manhattan only), the
rest of the boroughs, and in the Tri-State area during the 19th Century.
Not all of this is online; the ads from the 1877 Brooklyn Daily Eagle I
found were on microfilm at the New York Public Library.

Patricia Jameson-Sammartano

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of

Thomas Clancy
Subject: LECTURESHIP IN CELTIC AND HISTORY
> >
> >
> >Dear colleagues,
> >
> >Just thought I would send an e-mail notice round to as many
> >departments and contacts as I could think of, to make sure that
> >people knew of the existence of this new post, which *should* have
> >been advertised in the Irish Times and the Times Higher Education
> >Supplement last week, though I didn't see it in the THES. Details are

> >certainly avaiable via Below is a brief extract
> >from the further particulars, to give you a flavour of it.
> >
> >If you know of anyone who might be interested in applying, please
> >pass the information on, and tell them to look out for the advert.
> >The deadline for applications is 25 April 2003.
> >
> >What an extraordinary spring it has been for Celtic jobs!
> >
> >with best wishes to you all,
> >
> >Thomas Clancy
> >
> >
> >****
> >
> >UNIVERSITY of GLASGOW
> >
> >DEPARTMENTS OF CELTIC and HISTORY
> >LECTURER
> >22,191 -25,451 per annum
> >
> >The successful applicant will have a specialisation in medieval Irish

> >history; comparative interests in Scotland and/or Wales would be
> >highly advantageous. A good knowledge of Old and Middle Irish
> >(preferably to University teaching level) is essential; a similar
> >knowledge of Middle Welsh would be an advantage. S/He will possess a

> >good first degree in Celtic, History or a related subject, and will
> >have (or will be near to completing) a PhD on a relevant topic.
> >
> >Applications should be submitted to Mrs Chris Fildes, Department of
> >History, University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ not later than FRIDAY

> >25 April 2003
> >
> >Dr Thomas Owen Clancy
> >Lecturer in Celtic
> >Editor, The Innes Review
> >
> >Department of Celtic
> >University of Glasgow
> >Glasgow G12 8QQ
> >
> >telephone: (0141) 330-6328
> >Celtic office: (0141) 330-4222
> >
> >e-mail: T.Clancy[at]celtic.arts. gla.ac.uk

From: patrick maume
Sender: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Article, Discharge of Children to Ireland

From: Patrick Maume
Another possible parallel would be the nineteenth-century
practice of deporting Irish-born paupers from England (or even
America) back to Ireland.
BTW, there was an article in the GUARDIAN a week or so back
which dealt with attempts by the Irish Government during WWII to
get the British government to pay for the upkeep in children's
homes of children whose fathers were in the British Army, on the
grounds that the father's absence was due to their enlistment in
the British services..
Best wishes,
Patrick

On 30 March 2003 05:59 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

>
>
> >From Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> For information...
>
> P.O'S.
>
>
> publication
> Journal of Social Policy
>
> ISSN
> 0047-2794 electronic: 1469-7823
>
> publisher
> Cambridge University Press
>
> year - volume - issue - page
> 2003 - 32 - 1 - 75
>
> article
>
> The 'Daring Experiment': The London County Council and the Discharge
> from Care of Children to Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s
>
> GARRETT, PAUL MICHAEL
>
> abstract
>
> This article examines the activities of the Children's Committee of
> the London County Council (LCC) and what a contemporary newspaper
> referred to as a 'daring experiment': its efforts to discharge
> children from public care to Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s. Archival
> evidence reveals how Irish children were identified and separated from

> English children in care and, in many instances, sent to Ireland. It
> is maintained the dominant constructions of 'Ireland' played a role in

> the scheme. In addition, the LCC policy is examined and viewed in the
> context of other exclusionary practices centred on Irish people in
> Britain in the mid-twentieth century.
>
>
>

----------------------
patrick maume

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Our attention has been drawn to the following item in The Irish Emigrant
email newsletter.

I never know whether congratulation or commiseration is appropriate when
people take on the chores of the world. But, in any case, I am sure the
Irish-Diaspora list would like us to express appropriate sentiments to
Michael Kenneally.

Paddy

THE IRISH EMIGRANT
Editor: Liam Ferrie - March 31, 2003 - Issue No.843

Dr Michael Kenneally appointed Honorary Consul in Montreal

Minister for Foreign Affairs Brian Cowen has appointed Dr Michael
Kenneally as the first Honorary Consul General of Ireland in Montreal,
covering the Province of Quebec. Dr Kenneally is Director of the Centre
for Canadian Irish Studies at Concordia University and holder of the
inaugural Chair of Canadian Irish Studies at the university. Dr
Kenneally, a native of Youghal, Co. Cork, has for many years been
actively involved with the Irish community in Montreal and is well known
for his various academic and teaching activities in relation to Irish
Studies.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The web is, in fact, very well served as far as Marxism is concerned -
with many of the key texts freely available. Including Engels,
Condition of the English Working Class
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/

With its chapter on the Irish, the frequent quoting of which over here
provoked one of my few bouts of bad temper, when I attacked the Engels'
pig school of historiography... A curious collusion of right wing and
left wing...

There was a useful collection, published in Moscow...
On Ireland.
by Marx, Karl, 1818-1883., Engels, Friedrich, 1820-1895.
Moscow : Izdatelstvo Progress; London :( (Distributed by) Lawrence and
Wishart, 1971.

I must have been the very first person ever to have read the University
of Bradford's copy - for I found, in the middle, a substantial section
in Vietnamese. Since I cannot read Vietnamese I do not know what that
section was about.

There was an expectation that the collapse of Communism and the Soviet
Empire might allow a resurgence of Marxism, scholarly and otherwise. I
can't say that much has happened - in cultural studies, maybe. But on
migration Philippe van Parijs is interesting. The Lucassens some time
ago at a conference threw out a challenge to migration theory - but
again I can't say I have seen much happening. At one time I found
helpful Lydia Potts, World Labour Market (1990)- with the notion of
degrees of unfreedom. Though she hasn't much to say about the Irish.
The catalogues of Pluto Press and Zed Books are worth browsing. Eyan
Meyers had a review article recently in Internatinal Migration Review,
2000, Vol. 34, No. 3, 'Theories of international migration policy - A
comparative analysis'.

Leaving aside the question of whether or not Marx was a Marxist... I
can report that, after another weary day reading nineteenth century
British guff about Ireland and the Irish, I often turn to the chapter
about Ireland in Capital - and Marx's scornful attack on Dufferin. Marx
is always polemic...

Paddy

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From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of University of Chicago Press...

Kreilkamp, Vera, editor Éire/Land. Distributed for the The McMullen
Museum of Art, Boston College. 225 p., 100 color plates. 9 x 11 2003

Paper $45.00tx 1-892850-05-2 Spring 2003

From its earliest history, Ireland has been contested land, claimed by
waves of invaders, each attempting to inscribe and possess the island
territory. The Éire/Land exhibition, to be held at the McMullen Museum
from February to May 2003, is the first major art exhibition to examine
this theme. From medieval topographical surveys and Celtic artifacts to
nineteenth-century landscapes and the expressionist art of the present
day, Éire/Land collects pieces that collectively reveal Ireland's
contested past--including works by Dierdre O'Mahony, Jack Butler Yeats,
Sean Keating, and architect Brian Tolle. Drawing on original research by
prominent international scholars and by the largest and most
distinguished Irish studies faculty in North America, this catalog
relates those works and artifacts to new scholarship in a variety of
disciplines, lending Ireland's visual history the cultural, historical,
and political context it deserves.


Table of Contents

Editor's Dedication
Vera Kreilkamp
Director's Preface

Nancy Netzer
"Bogland"
Seamus Heaney
Introduction
Marjorie Howes and Kevin O'Neill
Mapping
The Turn to the Map: Cartographic Fictions in Irish Culture
Claire Connolly
Making and Remaking the Irish Landscape in the Early Middle Ages
Robin Fleming
Shaping and Mis-shaping: Visual Impressions of Ireland in Illuminated
Manuscripts
Michelle P. Brown
Digging
Art/Full Ground: Unearthing an Early Medieval Golden Age for Ireland
Nancy Netzer
Sacred Landscapes and Ancient Rituals: Two Watercolors by George Petrie
Pamela Berger
Possessing
Observing Irish Romantic Landscape Painting
Katherine Nahum
Painting Mayo's Landscape: The Big House, the Pleasure Grounds, and the
Mills
Vera Kreilkamp
Visualizing the Famine in County Mayo
Margaret Preston
"The Land for the People": Post-Famine Images of Eviction
L. Perry Curtis
"The soil of Ireland for the people of Ireland": The Politics of Land in
Irish Visual Imagery 1850-1936
Robert Savage
Painting the West: The Role of Landscape in Irish Identity
Síghle Bhreathnach-Lynch
Responding Today
Exploring Place and Artistic Practice in Northern Mayo
Alston Conley
The Art of Dinnseanchas. Excavating the Storied Past of Place
Lisabeth Buchelt
Responding Today: Dis/Location and the Land
Kate Costello-Sullivan
Contemporary Encounters with Irish Landscape
Robin Lydenberg

Works in the Exhibition
Mapping
Digging
Possessing
Responding Today
Contributors to the Catalogue

Subjects:

Art: Art--General Studies
Archaeology
Geography: Cultural and Historical Geography
Art: European Art
The University of Chicago Press

From: patrick maume
Sender: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Marxists on Irish Diaspora 3

On 28 March 2003 05:59 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:
>
>
> From: Gary Peatling
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Marxists on Irish Diaspora 2
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
The
> passage in Engels' _The condition of the working class in England_
> about little Ireland has become infamous, but it is usually now cited
> with reference to the much-discussed themes of prejudice and race: in
> some scholarly work I find Engels cited as supposedly representative
> of British ruling-class [!?] attitudes to the Irish in Britain.

Why the question marks? Surely Engels as a foxhunting
mill-owner was in some senses part of the ruling class, whatever
else he may have been?
Best wishes,
Patrick

----------------------
patrick maume

From: Marion Casey
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D 'No Irish' 36


The Brooklyn Daily Eagle is in the process of coming online. I have had
access to its test site (1841-1902) and can confirm Patricia
Jameson-Sammartano memory: it is chock full of 'No Irish' ads.

Following up on Patrick Maume's post about possible distinctions between
Irish Catholic and Irish Protestant employees, the following ad
illustrates the complexities of the subject of nineteenth century
employment discrimination. From the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 24 October
1879, page 3:

WANTED -- TO DO GENERAL WORK, carry parcels, or take care of a horse, a
boy; Protestant Irish preferred. Apply only by letter in boy's
handwriting, to T.H.G., 152 Vanderbilt Av, corner of Myrtle.

Marion R. Casey
Department of History
New York University

From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
Subject: Discharge of Children to Ireland
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

I've had an opportunity to take a quick look at Garrett's article. I
haven't had a chance yet to check his other articles and some related
literature cited in his bibliography. So far, however, I find the
argument a little strained.

For a number of reasons, including attitudes toward out-of-wedlock
pregnancies in Ireland, some Irish-born women delivered their children
in England and left them in care there. Local authorities were
increasingly concerned about the number of very young children in care,
and wanted to disperse them. They showed a predilection to send those
Irish-ancestry babies to Ireland.

The author argues that this practice shows that the England saw the
Irish as different. That may be true, but a simpler explanation may be
that the local authorities saw a possibility of shifting costs to
jurisdictions more connected with the genesis of those cases or of
finding adoptive parents interested in small children of particular
backgrounds. Perhaps the author will persuade me when I look at his
other writings, but I'm not yet convinced of the need for a more
complicated explanation.

I'm no great defender of English attitudes toward the Irish, but it
seems that the authorities, from a historical point of view, are in a
damned if they did, damned if they didn't situation. If they see the
Irish as special in some way, they are "othering" them. If they failed
to do so, and -- God forbid -- put an Irish child (born to a Catholic
mother) out to a non-Catholic or perhaps even non-Irish family, they
would be committing cultural genocide. The latter has been a theme in
American histories studies the westward disposition of Irish orphans
from eastern cities. Linda Gordon's fine study on the sending of Irish
orphans from a Catholic orphanage in NYC to Arizona offers an
interesting twist to the story. There they were seized by "Anglo"
(white Protestant) families and kept from the Mexican Catholic families
for whom they had been intended.

Tom

Thomas J. Archdeacon
Department of History
University of Wisconsin -- Madison
4135 Humanities Building, Mailbox 4026
455 North Park Street
Madison, Wisconsin
USA

608-263-1778
608-263-5302 (fax)

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of...

Colman Etchingham
Colman.Etchingham[at]may.ie


- -----Original Message-----

This is the programme and other details of the Seventeenth Irish
Conference of Medievalists. Details of bus and rail transport from
Dublin to Kilkenny will be found on our web-site at
www.geocities.com/irishmedievalists

CONFERENCE PROGRAMME


THURSDAY 26 JUNE
2.00 pm Conference Opening
Session A
2.15 pm John Bradley Civic government in Kilkenny during the middle ages
3.15 pm Greg Fewer Women and brewing in medieval and early modern
Kilkenny and Waterford
Session B
2.15 pm Jacqueline Borsje Human sacrifice in early Irish literature
3.15 pm Lisabeth Buchelt Communal memory and recollection: Serglige Con
Culaind
3.45 pm Tatyana Mikhailova What colour were St Colum Cille?s eyes? Or,
the meaning of Old Irish glas
4.15 pm Tea/Coffee
Session A
4.45 pm Robert Stevick Coherent geometry of the Dunadd motif-piece
5.15 pm Michael Brennan Recovering the design in the Waterford kite
brooch

Session B
4.45 pm Máire Niamh Johnson Head to head: the use of a motif in
Ireland?s medieval hagiography
5.15 pm Bridgette Slavin The power of St Brigit in the maintenance of
Kildare?s ecclesiastical relationships
5.45 pm Alexander O?Hara St Sunniva and the holy men of Selja: Irish
hagiographical traditions on the west coast of Norway

6.15 pm Recess

7.45 pm Reception
FRIDAY 27 JUNE
10.00 am
Session A Colmán Etchingham and Catherine Swift Unpublished cross-slabs
at Aghowle, Co. Wicklow, and their context
Session B Peter Crooks ?Divide and rule?: Factionalism as royal policy
in the Lordship of Ireland, 1171-1265
11.00 am Tea/Coffee
11.30 am
Session A Thomas Owen Clancy Logie bared: an ecclesiastical place-name
element in eastern Scotland
Session B Anthony Harvey Blood, dust and cucumbers: medieval Irish
writers build a Latin world
12.30 pm Lunch
Session A
2.00 pm Niamh Whitfield A function for the holy well
2.30 pm Glynn Kelso Medieval Dublin: the imagined geographies of God?s
existence
3.00 pm Robert Wasilewski ?Unbridled through the rough?: Gerald of Wales
(re)presenting Christianity in Ireland
3.30 pm Maeve Callan The Isle of heathens and heretics? Ethnic identity,
alleged apostasy and the execution of Adducc Dubh O?Toole
Session B
2.00 pm Catherine Swift A seventh-century scriba in north Connacht?
3.00 pm Alex Woolf Ancient kindred? Dál Ríata and the Cruithin

4.00 pm Tea/Coffee
Session A
4.30 pm Freya Verstraten Anglicisation in the Irish annals

Session B
4.30 pm Emer Purcell ?The expulsion of the Ostmen?: the documentary
evidence
5.00 pm Donnchadh Ó Corráin ?The stony Vikings of Cell Belaig?: a little
bit of historical revisionism
6.00 pm Recess

7.30 pm Tour of Kilkenny?
SATURDAY 28 JUNE
10.00 am
Session A Colmán Etchingham English and Pictish brooch-terminology in an
eighth-century Irish law-text
Session B Jürgen Zeidler Ancient and medieval Celtic myths of origin

11.00 am Tea/Coffee
Session A
11.30 am Ian Beuermann Manx kings and their bishops: co-operation or
confrontation?
12.00 Mark Hall A technological study of Irish and Hiberno-Norse
ironworking
Session B
11.30 am Benjamin Hazard The learned Uí Mhaoil Chonaire and their
manuscript legacy

12.30pm Lunch
Session A
2.00 pm Dauvit Broun A re-examination of Míniugad Senchasa Fher nAlban
and Genealogia Albanensium in the light of Dumville?s recent work
3.00 pm Anthony Candon Lebor na Cert: the Munster section revisited

Session B
2.00 pm Fionbarr Moore Ogam: where do we go from here?
3.00 pm Elizabeth Hummel Through the glass window: the reflections of
Insular manuscript in the monastic sculpture of the Avengue region in
the eleventh century
3.30 pm Magorzata Krasnodbska-D?Aughton The four epiphanies in the
Catechesis Cracouiensis and the Irish high crosses

4.00 pm Tea/Coffee

4.30 pm ICM agm

7.30 ICM dinner