Paddy,

Thanks for the comments on the Hoon report. I suspect things will get worse
before long. "Teflon" Tony seems to be surviving but for how long?

I understand also your feelings about the 'top up' fees which is also in the
news there but here in the USA the situation is far worse for those with
little or no money. A year at a private university now runs to
around $40,000 and even the State Universities [which can now hardly be
called public] run to around $15,000 a year. Here in Maryland for example,
the state university only gets about 20% of its funding from taxes, the rest
is now raised privately and tuition has soared in the past few years.
Rumour has it that it may even go completely private - Virginia is also
considering putting its 'public' university system into private hands. All
in all it is a disaster for the education of young working class people. It
has been going on for years and no protest has yet been raised to my
knowledge. Third level education in the US is now almost exclusively for
the better off - the poor who do go owe the price of a house when they
graduate so many are opting to not go. As for the admissions procedure - it
is cloaked in secrecy and colleges are free to 'vet' those whom they allow
in based on their ability to pay.
College entrance forms are loaded with questions which ask a perspective
student their parents' jobs and educational level etc. i.e. can your parents
pay? Those who can pay usually get in on lower SAT scores. I have watched
this year after year. The poor have to have very high SAT results to get in
on scholarship. So the average student from a rich home gets in while the
average student from a rural or working class home does not. Pardon my
cynicism but I live this every day and I find it very disheartening.

Carmel

From: Jones.Irwin[at]spd.dcu.ie
Subject: RE: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 3

Dear All,

There are a lot of interesting issues being raised in these missives re.
Johnny Rotten. Another significant example is Morrissey (ex-Smiths) who like
his fellow band members was of Irish parentage (and I think actually born in
Dublin). His new album, due soon, is entitled 'Irish Blood, English Heart',
which exemplifies the problem of 'nomenclature' Liam Greenslade is
highlighting.

I've noticed that a lot of second generation Irish in the UK refer to
themselves as connected to the British city and the Irish nation e.g.
Coventry-Irish, Mancunian-Irish etc This seems a hybridity worthy of Hommi
Bhabba.

Also, on the Johnny Rotten issue, he apparently spent several months in a
Dublin jail in the late seventies/early eighties, having got into an
altercation with two 'off-duty' Gardai, in a pub. It is mentioned in this
month's music magazine Mojo that this was a significant factor in his not
feeling at home in Ireland. Just wondering whether the altercation had
anything to do with
the issues we are discussing?!

Cheers,

Jones


Dr Jones Irwin
Lecturer in Philosophy
St Patrick's College
Dublin City University

From: Liam Greenslade
To: "irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk"
Subject: Re: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 2

Just a minor observation. I seem to recall at the end of John Lydon's
appearance on The Jonathon Ross show on BBC television last year he made a
quite specific point of correcting the host who hailed him as 'the greatest
living Englishman' with the words 'I'm f---ing Irish, mate'.

I have just read parts of a recently submitted MPhil thesis by Anne English
at the University of Cork on the subject of Irish 'second generation'
identity in Britain. In a fascinating and insightful study the author
demonstrates the complex contortions and negotiations which Irish descent
children have to enter into from a very young age to manage and maintain
their social identities within the Irish-English dialectic.

This is a significantly neglected area of research which offers considerable
scope for multi-disciplinary inquiry. For example why is there no
nomenclature for this group (as in 'Irish American') and why have they never
claimed one? (I use Hiberno-British to describe myself these days - a pint
of Guinness in Mulligans of Poolbeg St for anyone who can come up with a
more appropriate term)

Regards

Liam Greenslade
Department of Sociology
Trinity College Dublin

Tel +353 (0)16082669
Email greensll[at]tcd.ie

Quoting "irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk" :

> From: "Sean Campbell"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten
>
> Lydon's 1994 autobiography was actually reprinted and repackaged some
> time last year in the context of the book being picked up for
> development by a film production company. I can't comment on the
> previous message's reference to Lydon's sexuality (though he has
> never, to my knowledge, been described as 'overtly gay'). I have,
> however, written about the disjuncture between Lydon's
> self-representation (in the late 1970s) as London-Irish and the
> academic tendency, amongst British cultural critics, to characterize him
as archetypally English.
>
> See Sean Campbell, 'Sounding Out the Margins: Ethnicity and Popular
> Music in British Cultural Studies', in Across the Margins: Cultural
> Identities and Change in the Atlantic Archipelago eds. Gerry Smyth and
> Glenda Norquay (Manchester University Press, 2002), pp. 117-136.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Sean.

John Lydon? Is he the overtly gay man on I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of
Here?

Oh my gawd, he's Johnny Rotten. Has he completely lost his marbles?

James.

- -----Original Message-----

From: Jones.Irwin[at]spd.dcu.ie
Subject: RE: Ir-D Hutton Report 2

Dear All,

With regard to the Irish connections in the Hutton enquiry, I read in the
Sligo Champion recently that Andrew Gilligan's grandfather hailed from
Aclare, Co. Sligo. Aclare is definitely getting its moment of fame, having
also been the birthplace of the mother of the US soldier who captured
Saddam.

On a slightly different note, John Lydon's autobiography Rotten, No Blacks,
No Dogs, No Irish is being republished on the back on his new found fame in
the Celebrity programme. Profiles in today's papers have all mentioned his
diaspora background alongside reference to his crucial contribution to the
development of 'British' popular culture.

Regards,

Jones Irwin

From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
Subject: RE: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 4

I have to admit the reference to Johnny Rotten and British trash tv caught
my fancy, and today I actually looked at a few web sites related to both.
According to "The Observer", JR is in a long-term relationship with a woman,
which puts him at least in the "bi-" position on the hetero- to homo- sexual
spectrum. A film clip from the show also gave no evidence of "overt"
homosexuality. The Observer noted that JR came from "a brash but
respectable Irish family, who had settled in the drab reaches of London's
Finsbury Park" (where relatives of mine have also lived until very
recently). I liked the "brash but respectable" touch.

I've never watched a reality program (which I need to state not only to
limit my claim to expertise but also to prove beyond doubt my moral and
intellectual purity), but the clip I saw -- plus other British tv I've seen
- -- convinces me that UK programming standards are a lot more liberal than
those in the US. See our furore today over the planned (apparently) or
inadvertent (allegedly) exposure of one of Janet Jackson's breasts during
the halftime show at the Super Bowl yesterday. Of course, the same can be
seen in any of the shows that Americans have copied from British models.

Tom

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The following item appeared in The Irish Emigrant email newsletter
yesterday... Redistributed here with permission...

I also have the transcripts of this Dáil Eireann debate (such as it was) on
the Labour Party motion. I assume that the transcripts will become more
widely available in due course. Note that Ultan Cowley's book, The Men Who
Built Britain : A History of the Irish Navvy, was specifically mentioned
during the debate.

P.O'S.


THE IRISH EMIGRANT
Editor: Liam Ferrie - February 2, 2004 - Issue No.887

Emigrant welfare debated in Dáil

Emigrants were the focus of a Dáil debate during week, as TDs discussed a
Labour Party motion condemning the Government's treatment of Irish citizens
living abroad, particularly those in Britain. The motion, which is available
on our website, was inspired by an RTÉ programme that showed the plight of
some elderly emigrants living in Britain. It notes that the Irish abroad
were "believed to have remitted up to £3.5bn" to Ireland during the 1950s
and 1960, and calls for the implementation of recommendations from the Task
Force on Policy Regarding Emigrants; these measures include the
establishment of the Agency for the Irish Abroad to coordinate the provision
of services for emigrants, and the establishment of a funding scheme that
would allow elderly emigrants to return to supported housing in Ireland. The
motion was defeated after Government speakers spoke of the money already
being spent on emigrants, while agreeing that more had to be done.
http://www.emigrant.ie/article.asp?iCategoryID=333&iArticleID=26149

Subject: What a surprise you confused Hibernos!
From: "michael j. curran"

Hi Liam and Sean

Greetings from Belfast. Have been enjoying my 2003-2004 'year out'.

Good to see Sean and Liam back in print.

The identity issues around being second- generation Irish in Britain is
interesting but even more fascinating is how the native-born Irish perceive
the British-born 'Irish', whether they live in the UK or in Ireland. The
native-born frequently cannot cope with a non-Irish sounding accent, and
that throws them. It has even been known to give rise to a level of
prejudice. I feel a study of Irish v British accents/dialects, belonging to
those who claim to be 'Irish' while still living 'across the water' in
Britain - would really be worthwhile.

The USA and UK flag issue, also highlights social identity anomalies for the
Irish-born and probably for the 'second-generation 'Irish. I have never seen
a Union flag inside or outside any of the Irish clubs or advice centres in
England, yet the American flag is hung and waved with gusto at times by the
'settled' Irish in similar contexts in the States. I wonder do other
assimilated/integrated migrants from Italy, India, Poland, Africa or the
Caribbean have the same ambivalent feelings about their 'hosts'?

Being from, and living in west Belfast myself I think I have another
perspective of these dichotomous identity issues!

Congrats to Anne English on the completion of her well-earned Masters. We
will have to celebrate our 'Irishness' and discuss the above issues over the
promised pint next time we meet. (Wed. this week Liam?)

Slan agus beannacht

Michael J. Curran

In all this talk of performers with Irish Roots, I am reminded to mention
Kevin Rowland of the 1980s combo Dexy's Midnight Runners and which
transmogrified into, I think, The Celtic Soul Boys. Kevin, a much
under-rated performer who has recently been rediscovered, never, as I
recall, made too much of his roots as a second generation Irish 'Brummie'.
This may have has something to do with the difficulties of growing up in a
city that was still recovering from the atrocity of the pub bombings. It
was, however, notable that the cover of the seminal album, 'Searching for
the Young Soul Rebels', used a picture of Catholics fleeing their homes in
Belfast in the early 1970s because of attacks by Loyalists.

Liam Greenside's point concerning the identity of those born of those born
of Irish in Britain is apposite. This, of course, raises the 'plastic'
question and comparisons with Irish America is always going to be
problematic. Irish parents like mine were mindful of the welcome they
received in the 1950s ("No blacks, Irish or Dogs") and were keen that in
order for their children to assimilate, should not bee seen to overtly
celebrate being Irish. Then, of course, 'The troubles' and bombings in
England (still referred to by some sloppy - or ignorant journalists - as
"The mainland") made life even more difficult. As alluded to above, my
experience of growing up in Birmingham in the 1970s was that many kept their
heads down and, if possible, disguise their accent. Since the late 1990s
however, there has been a transition to the extent where being Irish is now
celebrated - especially in the fake bars - with gusto.

I would certainly be interested in studies that have been carried out (or
could be initiated) that document the experiences of those born of Irish
parentage in Britain. Incidentally, has anyone read Catherine Dunne's book,
'An Unconsidered People: The Irish in London'? I note that this is offered
on Amazon's website in conjunction with Ultan Cowley's excellent book 'The
men who Built Britain, A Celebration of the Irish Navvy'. Ultan is, of
course, a regular contributor to this network.



- -----Original Message-----

From: Michael Donnelly
Subject: Johnny Rotten

All this talk of Anglo-Irish pop stars (Sex Pistols, The Smiths, etc.) and
their dual identity (or lack thereof) made me think of The Fab Four,
currently being toasted in New York on the anniversary of their thunderous
arrival here 40 years ago (http://www.thefab40.com)

Although three of the four had Irish roots, they are usually thought of as
being quintessentially British, though they hailed, of course, from
Liverpool, one of the most Irish cities in England.

John Lennon wrote "The Luck of the Irish" and "Bloody Sunday" to acknowledge
his Irish roots and his support for republicanism, but besides that, the
Irishness of The Beatles is rarely mentioned.

Let us mention us this on the birthday of Jimmy Joyce, the quintessential
Irish pop star.

From: "Sean Campbell"
To:
Subject: Re: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 8

Jones Irwin is absolutely right to draw attention to Morrissey and The
Smiths, who all came from immigrant Irish backgrounds in Manchester
(although Morrissey was not, as some recent commentators have suggested,
born in Dublin). I presented a paper on the issue of the band's (often
concealed) Irishness at NUI Maynooth in December. Although the general
response to the topic was positive, the question of how the
second-generation Irish are perceived in Ireland (an issue that Michael
Curran rightly draws attention to in his message) became something of a
contentious issue during Q&A. An Irish-born academic robustly expressed the
view that second-generation Irish people from England have historically been
very much welcomed and respected in Ireland. The second-generation people
present at the session (including
myself) pointed out that this view was somewhat at variance with their own
first-hand experience of being derided as 'plastic Paddies', whilst also
being at odds with the various academic studies on this issue, not least
Marcus Free 'Angels with Drunken Faces' (1998), and Sean Campbell, 'Beyond
"Plastic Paddy'" (1999). In this context, it is very interesting to hear
about further work in the field, not least the M.Phil thesis mentioned by
Liam Greenslade. Can this be accessed via Inter-Library Loans?

To respond to another of Jones' points, though, it is indeed interesting
that Morrissey elected to call his forthcoming album 'Irish Blood, English
Heart', but it is perhaps even more interesting that he has chosen to
withdraw this title at the last minute, in a move that recalls Kevin
Rowland's withdrawal of Irish titles and subjects on Dexys Midnight Runners'
third album 'Don't Stand Me Down' (1985). As Steven McCabe points out,
Rowland is often overlooked in discussions of the second-generation, despite
the fact that Dexys engaged directly with Irish subjects and styles
throughout their career. Their debut single, 'Dance Stance' (1979),
attempted to counteract the (then) prevalent theme of the 'thick Paddy' by
offering an inventory of great Irish authors, while their second album,
'Too-Ry-Ay' (1982), released under the aegis of The Celtic Soul Brothers,
fused traditional sounds with a northern soul aesthetic.

As Michael Donnelly points out, however, this strand of second-generation
Irish music-making has a much longer history. Three of the four Beatles were
indeed of Irish descent (McCartney and Harrison had Irish mothers, while
Lennon's paternal grandfather was from Dublin). Again, very little has been
written about this issue, despite the fact that A Hard Day's Night (1964)
features a fictionalized Irish grandfather accompanying the group on their
journey to fame and success.

The Beatles took their inspiration, of course, from Lonnie Donegan, who was
also second-generation Irish. Best known for his 1956 hit 'Rock Island
Line', Donegan is widely considered to be the 'founding father' of British
popular music. And there's also Dusty Springfield (Mary O'Brien), Elvis
Costello (Declan MacManus), Kate Bush, Boy George (George O'Dowd), Shane
MacGowan, and Noel Gallagher.

How these musicians might be theorised or situated in terms of their
Irishness is, of course, a more complex question, and I'm currently doing
work on this very issue. Accordingly, I would very much welcome any further
(off or on-line) discussion in this area.

Best,
Sean Campbell.
APU, Cambridge


- ----- Original Message -----
From: ; "Steven Mccabe"

To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:00 AM
Subject: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 8


> In all this talk of performers with Irish Roots, I am reminded to mention
> Kevin Rowland of the 1980s combo Dexy's Midnight Runners and which
> transmogrified into, I think, The Celtic Soul Boys. Kevin, a much
> under-rated performer who has recently been rediscovered, never, as I
> recall, made too much of his roots as a second generation Irish 'Brummie'.
> This may have has something to do with the difficulties of growing up in a
> city that was still recovering from the atrocity of the pub bombings. It
> was, however, notable that the cover of the seminal album, 'Searching for
> the Young Soul Rebels', used a picture of Catholics fleeing their homes in
> Belfast in the early 1970s because of attacks by Loyalists.
>
> Liam Greenside's point concerning the identity of those born of those born
> of Irish in Britain is apposite. This, of course, raises the 'plastic'
> question and comparisons with Irish America is always going to be
> problematic. Irish parents like mine were mindful of the welcome they
> received in the 1950s ("No blacks, Irish or Dogs") and were keen that in
> order for their children to assimilate, should not bee seen to overtly
> celebrate being Irish. Then, of course, 'The troubles' and bombings in
> England (still referred to by some sloppy - or ignorant journalists - as
> "The mainland") made life even more difficult. As alluded to above, my
> experience of growing up in Birmingham in the 1970s was that many kept
their
> heads down and, if possible, disguise their accent. Since the late 1990s
> however, there has been a transition to the extent where being Irish is
now
> celebrated - especially in the fake bars - with gusto.
>
> I would certainly be interested in studies that have been carried out (or
> could be initiated) that document the experiences of those born of Irish
> parentage in Britain. Incidentally, has anyone read Catherine Dunne's
book,
> 'An Unconsidered People: The Irish in London'? I note that this is offered
> on Amazon's website in conjunction with Ultan Cowley's excellent book 'The
> men who Built Britain, A Celebration of the Irish Navvy'. Ultan is, of
> course, a regular contributor to this network.
>
>

From: Carmel McCaffrey
Subject: Re: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 7

>
>
>The USA and UK flag issue, also highlights social identity anomalies for
the Irish-born and probably for the 'second-generation 'Irish. I have never
seen a Union flag inside or outside any of the Irish clubs or advice centres
in England, yet the American flag is hung and waved with gusto at times by
the'settled' Irish in similar contexts in the States. I wonder do other
assimilated/integrated migrants from Italy, India, Poland, Africa or the
Caribbean have the same ambivalent feelings about their 'hosts'?
>

There is no comparison between what the Union flag represents to the Irish
and what the American flag represents. The Union flag historically
represents the 'forced' political union of 1800 - and remains a very strong
symbol of that union. The fact that the cross of Patrick is still there -
in spite of the establishment of the Irish Republic - is seen by
nationalists as a threat to their aspirations and indeed their very identity
as 'separate'. The US flag is simply the
flag of the host country.
Furthermore in my experience many people in the UK still think that Ireland
- - the entire island- is a part of that union. Just last week for example a
British Airways rep told me on the phone that Dublin was within the UK. This
in itself has to pose 'identity' problems for native Irish living there.

Carmel

From: Michael Donnelly
Subject: Johnny Rotten

All this talk of Anglo-Irish pop stars (Sex Pistols, The Smiths, etc.) and
their dual identity (or lack thereof) made me think of The Fab Four,
currently being toasted in New York on the anniversary of their thunderous
arrival here 40 years ago (http://www.thefab40.com)

Although three of the four had Irish roots, they are usually thought of as
being quintessentially British, though they hailed, of course, from
Liverpool, one of the most Irish cities in England.

John Lennon wrote "The Luck of the Irish" and "Bloody Sunday" to acknowledge
his Irish roots and his support for republicanism, but besides that, the
Irishness of The Beatles is rarely mentioned.

Let us mention us this on the birthday of Jimmy Joyce, the quintessential
Irish pop star.

Sender: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 5

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:00:00 irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: Michael Donnelly
> Subject: Johnny Rotten
>
> All this talk of Anglo-Irish pop stars (Sex Pistols, The Smiths, etc.)
> and their dual identity (or lack thereof) made me think of The Fab
> Four, currently being toasted in New York on the anniversary of their
> thunderous arrival here 40 years ago (http://www.thefab40.com)
>
> Although three of the four had Irish roots, they are usually thought
> of as being quintessentially British, though they hailed, of course,
> from Liverpool, one of the most Irish cities in England.
>
> John Lennon wrote "The Luck of the Irish" and "Bloody Sunday" to
> acknowledge his Irish roots and his support for republicanism, but
> besides that, the Irishness of The Beatles is rarely mentioned.

And, if I remember correctly, Paul McCartney and Wings recorded a record
entitled "Give Ireland Back to the Irish"
which was banned by the BBC.
----------------------
patrick maume

From: Avril Tobin
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Lament for Johnny Rotten

Dear all

You might remember my earlier messages regarding my PhD research which
involves interviewing recent Irish emigrants to Edinburgh (1980s and 90s).
As part of the pilot study for this project I interviewed some children of
Irish migrants also. This yielded some fascinating insights into how issues
of identity are negotiated intergenerationally - revealing an acute
awareness of issues of identity from even a very young age amongst these
second generation children. The process also appeared to be mediated by
whether the child had one or two Irish parents - it reminded me of that
telling piece in Pete McCarthy's book 'The Road to McCarthy':

"When England played Ireland at football or rugby it was impossible to know
who to support, because either way you'd feel like a traitor. Should you
cheer for the land of your birth, your accent and your dad, against the poor
downtrodden colonised persecuted underdogs, while your mammy fought back the
tears on the other side of the room? Or did you go for the romance of
oppression, the pride of a displaced nation in exile ... and turn your back
on the country that had made you what you were, given you education and
prosperity and friendships. ... These were impossible choices. I'm sure
most of us were relieved when the Ireland v. England match and the
existential uncertainties that accompanied it had passed for another
year..."
(McCarthy 2002:33-34)

The children I spoke to articulated stories of divided loyalties - wanting
at times to 'be' either 'Irish' or 'Scottish' but not wanting to upset the
other parent. Some Irish mothers also appeared to exhibit some of these
dilemmas also, on the one hand wanting their children to have a strong Irish
identity but on the other not wanting to upset their non-Irish husbands.
These of course are tentative results as it was a very small-scale pilot
study, but the prelimary results were so interesting that I have included
interviews with children in the research design for the PhD.

Best wishes

Avril

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

John McCavitt
johnmccavitt[at]hotmail.com

the author of
The Flight of the Earls, Gill & Macmillan, 2002, £30, 40Euro, US$45 plus p+p


Has contacted us with news of his web site
The Flight of the Earls: www.theflightoftheearls.net
Which he describes as 'an important dimension to Irish diaspora studies...'

P.O'S.

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Forwarded on behalf of BAIS...

P.O'S.

Subject: British Association for Irish Studies Bursary Scheme 2004

British Association for Irish Studies
POSTGRADUATE BURSARIES SCHEME 2004

The British Association for Irish Studies has established a scheme to
support Postgraduate research in Britain on topics of Irish interest. BAIS
will award bursaries of £500 - £1000 each to postgraduate students
registered at universities in Great Britain conducting research on any
aspect of Irish Studies. Students may use the bursary for travel expenses,
payment of fees, subsistence or other expenses related to the completion of
their research projects.

Applicants will be required to submit a completed Application Form together
with completed forms from two referees who will be required to send these
direct to the Chair of the Bursaries Committee.

Deadline for submission of Applications: 8 March 2004 The awards will be
announced in May 2004. The decision of the BAIS Postgraduate Bursaries
Committee will be final.

How to Apply:
You can download the application form from http://www.bais.org.uk
or send for a paper copy by emailing Dr Richard
Kirkland richard.kirkland[at]kcl.ac.uk>

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Please distribute further...

Information from...
Roger Swift [r.swift[at]chester.ac.uk]

P.O'S.



UNIVERSITY COLLEGE CHESTER
CENTRE FOR VICTORIAN STUDIES

IRELAND AND THE VICTORIANS
An International Conference
2-4 July 2004

Call for Papers

This broad-based interdisciplinary conference, commencing on the evening of
Friday 2 July and concluding after lunch on Sunday 4 July, seeks to provide
new perspectives on the complex relationship between Britain and Ireland
during the long nineteenth century with particular reference to political,
social and cultural connections between the two islands during the period.
As indicated below, the conference will include keynote lectures and a range
of papers from eminent scholars and new researchers.

The organisers are particularly keen to provide a platform for new research
in the field. Offers of suitable papers (to read for approximately 25
minutes) within the study of Victorian art, culture, history, literature,
politics and religion will be particularly welcome. Abstracts (no more than
300 words) should be submitted no later than Friday 27 February 2004 to
Professor Roger Swift, Director, Centre for Victorian Studies, University
College Chester, Parkgate Road, Chester, CH1 4BJ.


UNIVERSITY COLLEGE CHESTER
CENTRE FOR VICTORIAN STUDIES

IRELAND AND THE VICTORIANS
Conference, 2-4 July 2004

Provisional proceedings include:


Keynote Lectures

The Irish and Queen Victoria
Christine Kinealy

Victorian Prime Ministers and Ireland
Roland Quinault

Conquering England: Ireland in the Victorian Metropolis
Roy Foster and Fintan Cullen

Charles Lever and the Landlords
D. George Boyce

Historians and the Irish in Victorian Britain
Roger Swift


Short Papers

Ireland under the Union

Political hostessing in the Age of Victoria: A Londonderry case study
Diane Urquhart

Socio-political development, patrician landlords and the distribution of
power in Ireland
Neil Fleming

Whatever happened to Presbyterian radicalism? : Some views from the 1870s
Gary Peatling

Political Economy and Irish Nationalism: The Case of Isaac Butt
Alan O?Day

The Tories and Ireland, 1885-1914
Jeremy Smith

An Army of Occupation? : The British Military in Victorian Ireland
Virginia Crossman



Irish Migrant Politics in Britain

Uniting Subordinate Nations in a Common Struggle? : The Irish Question in
Wales, 1860-1914
Paul O?Leary

John Ferguson, 1836-1906: A Public Life
Elaine McFarland

Resistance and Respectability: Dilemmas of Irish Migrant Politics in
Victorian Britain
Mervyn Busteed

Migrant Unionism: The Protestant Irish and the struggle against Home Rule,
1912-14
Don MacRaild


The Irish in Victorian Britain

Emerald Minstrels: green, black and white in Victorian Liverpool
John Belchem

Routes to Assimilation: some perspectives from Victorian Stafford
John Herson

St Patrick?s Day in Victorian Leicester
Nessan Danaher

Irish Women and Crime in Late-Victorian Bradford
Shelagh Ward


Culture and Society in Victorian Ireland

The Nameless One: James Clarence Mangan and Nineteenth-Century Irish Poetry
Melissa Fegan

Representations of Ireland: Anthony Trollope?s The Landleaguers
Yvonne Siddle

The life and works of William Carleton
Jacqueline Turton

Giant Marrows and Apoplectic Pigs: Industrial Exhibitions in
Nineteenth-Century Ireland
Enda Leaney


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IRELAND AND THE VICTORIANS
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From: Jones.Irwin[at]spd.dcu.ie
Subject: RE: Ir-D Lament for Johnny Rotten 12

Dear All,

Its great to belong to a list where so many diverse academic interests can
converge around the figure of Johnny Rotten! Who said punk was dead? Anyhow,
just wondering if we could set up some kind of research group on this kind
of material which might involve Irish and British based academics. If such a
group is already up and running, please let me know.

Sean Campbell makes some excellent points about the Irish diaspora influence
on British popular music. The issue of the 'plastic paddy' is also very
significant as it was certainly an influence on somone like Kevin Rowland's
suppression of a title like 'My National Pride' from one of the Dexy albums,
a song explicitly about being Irish and not-Irish. Rowland has always felt
sensitive about the 'authenticity' of his claims to Irishness and such
sensitivity is no doubt wounded by the frequent distrust which manifests
itself in the Republic towards second generation Irish.

But of course this is not simply a first generation versus all other
generations issue. Many first generation Irish living in the Republic also
feel alienated on the basis of being 'different' from the very strict
definition of what constitutes being 'one of us'. It would be interesting to
compare the experience of identity in the music already mentioned with the
music emanating from first generation Irish 'at home'. Cork was always a
great source of alternative Irish identities, with bands like Microdisney,
Stump, Five Go Down to the Sea etc The irony being that many of these bands
ended up emigrating to get away from the Irish identity which many of the
second generation bands often romanticise.

regards
jones

From Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The following item has been brought to our attention...

There is a clear Irish Diaspora Studies element here - indeed it might be
argued that Ireland did have a Renaissance, but Ireland's Renaissance did
not happen in Ireland.

P.O'S.


- -----Original Message-----

CALL FOR PAPERS: "Ireland in the Renaissance"

Renaissance Society of America (RSA) Conference Cambridge, England, April
7-9, 2005. Deadline for abstracts: May 15.

Look through any index of comprehensive studies of early modern Europe:
despite its strategic location between Great Britain, the Continent and the
New World, and despite its long history of invasions, influence, and trade,
early modern Ireland continues to be neglected as an object of serious
multidisciplinary study. Yet great politicians such as the earls of Ormond,
great theologians such as Archbishop James Ussher and great "renaissance
men" such as the epic poet and political strategist Edmund Spenser did not
operate in a vacuum of ideas and controversy.

This panel seeks to further explore this world and to better situate Ireland
within the paradigm of early modern intellectual and political developments
in Europe. Papers are therefore invited on all subjects but especially the
following:

- --Art and/or Architectural History --Literature (non-Spenserian)
- --Archaeology --Political Theory
- --Settlement and Trade (including colonial studies)
- --Historiography --Spanish and/or French Relations
- --The legacy of the Italian "renaissance"
- --The Renaissance Prince and/or Governor
- --Relations with the Netherlands --Humanism and Humanist Education
- --Irish literature --Mythology --Military/Naval History
- --Reformation/Counter-Reformation Theology --Scottish and/or Welsh Relations
- --Gender Studies --Urban Studies --Race/Ethnic Studies

Willing panel participants will be strongly considered for inclusion in a
collection of essays on the same subject, forthcoming from Four Courts Press
(Dublin) and co-edited by Michael Potterton (archaeologist/historian) and
Thomas Herron (literary studies).

Queries welcome. Please send all abstracts (firm limit 150 words,
preferably by e-mail) by May 15, to either

1) Thomas Herron 2) Michael Potterton
Visiting Assistant Professor Discovery Programme
Department of English, Box 43 34 Fitzwilliam Place
Hampden-Sydney College Dublin 2
Hampden-Sydney, VA 23943 Ireland
USA
e-mail: therron[at]hsc.edu Michael[at]discoveryprogramme.ie

Colleagues,

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my query and raised some interesting
ideas, especially on the need for future work on Australian bushrangers.

For Kerby and anyone wanting a brief intro to the range of Australian
bushrangers, see the following site:
www.nedkellysworld.com.au/bushrangers/bushrangers_index.htm

Strangely enough, Ned himself, despite the address of this site, is not
included.

The site also has some suggested further reading, mostly of 'the popular and
romantic type' mentioned by Elizabeth.

Best,

Frank

Dr Frank Molloy,
Senior Lecturer in English,
School of Humanities,
Charles Sturt University,
PO Box 588,
Wagga Wagga NSW 2678.
Phone: (02) 6933 2398


- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Donnelly
Subject: Ned Kelly
To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk

NED KELLY

(as recorded by Johnny Cash)

In Australia a bandit or an outlaw was called a bushranger

One of Australia's most infamous bushranger was a man named Ned Kelly



Ned Kelly was a wild young bushranger from Victoria he rode with his brother
Dan

He loved his people and he loved his freedom and he loved to ride the wide
open land

Ned Kelly was a victim of the changes that came when this land was a sprout
and seed

And the wrongs he did were multiplied in legend

With young Australia growing like a weed

Ned Kelly took the blame Ned Kelly won the fame

Ned Kelly brought the shame and then Ned Kelly hanged



Well he hid out in the bush and in the forest

And he loved to hear the wind blow in the trees

While the men behind the badge were coming for him

Ned said they'll never bring me to my knees

But everything must change and run in cycles

And Ned knew that his day was at an end

He made a suit of armour out of ploughshares

But Ned was brought down by the trooper's men

Ned Kelly took the blame Ned Kelly won the fame

Ned Kelly brought the shame and then Ned Kelly hanged

From: "Joan Allen"

Can anyone help trace an extant Muster roll for county Londonderry, dated
1642 for one of my colleagues. He believes the original is in the PRO
Northern Ireland. Does anyone know of a printed transcription of this roll?
Some information has been traced at:
http://www.sag.org.au/aisnltrs/AISN0502.pdf

Best wishes
Joan