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The latest issue of Irish Studies Review will soon be distributed to
subscribers - including all members of the BAIS.

I have not as yet seen the new issue - but TOC pasted in below...

P.O'S.


Volume 12 Number 2/August 2004 of Irish Studies Review is now available on
the Taylor & Francis web site at http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk.

The following URL will take you directly to the issue:

http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/link.asp?id=C2CPB6YWFC4C

This issue contains:

The limits of 'Irish Studies': historicism, culturalism, paternalism
p. 139
Linda Connolly

Politics and education in Northern Ireland--an analytical history
p. 163
Kirk Simpson, Peter Daly

Cenotaphs of snow: memory, remembrance, and the poetry of Michael Longley

p. 175
Fran Brearton

Marketing the North in John Byrne's 'The Border Itself'
p. 191
Deirdre O'Leary

That ancient sect: Yeats, Hegel, and the possibility of Epic in Ireland
p. 201
David Dwan

'Of Irish extraction': translation, selection and re-invention
p. 213
Donna Wong

Martin McDonagh: Parody? Satire? Complacency?
p. 225
Ondrej Pilny

An interview with Tom Murphy
p. 233
Maria Kurdi

Reviews
p. 241

If you are not a current subscriber to this publication, you can request a
free sample issue at:
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Living Standards of Women in Prefamine Ireland

Social Science History Summer 2004, vol. 28, no. 2, pp. 271-295(25)

Oxley D.

Abstract:
Prefamine Irish living standards have proved enigmatic. They are intriguing
because they hold the key to understanding the trajectory of economic
development in the first half of the nineteenth century. They have remained
elusive because of the paucity of available information. Using Australian
data, this paper examines regional trends in Irish-born female convict
heights, identifying divergent tendencies between west and east that left
Ulster women the tallest in the land.

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0145-5532

SICI (online): 0145-5532(20040601)28:2L.271;1-

Publisher: Duke University Press

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THE PROGENITORS OF TERRORISM: RUSSIAN REVOLUTIONARIES OR EXTREME IRISH
REPUBLICANS?

Terrorism and Political Violence Spring 2004, vol. 16, no. 1, pp.
154-181(28)

Lindsay Clutterbuck[1]

[1] Specialist Operations Department, Metropolitan Police Service, London,
England

Abstract:
The literature on the origins of modern terrorism generally acknowledges
that terrorism as a recognisable phenomenon had its roots during the latter
decades of the nineteenth century and that the first exponents to embrace
violence in a systematic way as a strategy to achieve their political ends
were the extremist groups of the social revolutionary movement in Russia,
particularly Narodnya Volya. Their campaign of terrorist attacks culminated
in March 1881 with the assassination of Tsar Alexander the Second and thus
both the conceptual and methodological seeds had been sown that led in the
following century to the political violence in the characteristic form that
we now refer to as terrorism. It is argued here that this unilinear model is
flawed as it ignores the seminal contribution to the development of
terrorism in the twentieth century made by the extreme Irish nationalist
movement. During the years from January 1881 to January 1885 they mounted a
series of bomb attacks in cities on the British mainland with the objective
of forcing the government to relinquish its rule of the island of Ireland.
Their strategy, operational methodology, tactics and targeting were
innovative in both concept and execution and in turn they provided a
blueprint for the conduct of terrorism that has not changed fundamentally
for well over a hundred years. Terrorism, as it manifested itself in the
20th century, owes at least as much to the strategy, tactics and techniques
developed and applied in the 19th century by the "physical force" proponents
of the Irish republican movement as it does to the more readily acknowledged
activities of the Russian revolutionaries.

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0954-6553

DOI (article): 10.1080/09546550490457917
SICI (online): 0954-6553(20040101)16:1L.154;1-

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Working Bodies, Celtic Textiles, and the Donegal Industrial Fund 1883-1890

Textile: The Journal of Cloth and Culture 1 July 2004, vol. 2, no. 2,
pp. 134-155(22)

Helland J.

Abstract:
This article seeks to discuss the promotion of Irish textile art made by the
Donegal Industrial Fund as part of the late-nineteenth-century Celtic
revival, to examine the display and consumption of this art in Britain by
focusing upon the Fund's contributions to the Health Exhibition (1884), the
International Inventions Exhibition (1885), the International Exhibition of
Industry, Science, and Art (Edinburgh 1886), and the Irish Exhibition
(1888), and to elaborate upon the replacement (or displacement) of Irish
"girls" put on view as working/living textiles. The display of Irish
textiles in London attracted unparalleled attention during the 1880s that
both coincided with the increased interest in cottage crafts as promoted by
advocates of home arts and industries movements and paralleled the
intensified political activity associated with Home Rule activists. The
Donegal Industrial Fund under the auspices of Londoner Alice Rowland Hart
characterized the intensity of the relationship between textiles and
cultural identity while, at the same time, it signaled the multifarious
albeit layered tensions between English patronage and Celtic revival.

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Creative planning in Ireland: the role of culture-led development in Irish
planning

European Planning Studies June 2004, vol. 12, no. 4, pp. 497-515(19)

Bayliss D.

Abstract:
This paper attempts to close specific gaps in our understanding of practice
and policy concerning culture, planning and development in Ireland. This is
a nation in which the development and planning impacts of cultural policy
are of increasing importance, yet the state of knowledge of policy and
infrastructure remains underdeveloped. The paper begins by charting the
evolution of culture-led development in Western Europe over the last few
decades, highlighting the emergence of culture as a central element in both
economic and social development strategies. The paper then focuses upon
Ireland, reviewing the nation's rich cultural and especially musical
heritage, and the direct economic impacts of this. Detailing the successful
mobilization of this heritage in search of tourism, the recent incorporation
of culture into strategic planning and development initiatives, and the
links between culture and development in Dublin, Cork and Galway, the paper
concludes that Ireland is in a strong position to avail itself of the
positive social and economic impacts of planning for culture and creativity.

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0965-4313

DOI (article): 10.1080/0965431042000212759
SICI (online): 0965-4313(20040601)12:4L.497;1-

Publisher: Carfax Publishing, part of the Taylor & Francis
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Parliamentary Democracy in Ireland

Parliamentary Affairs July 2004, vol. 57, no. 3, pp. 601-612(12)

Collins N.

Abstract:
Among the currently significant themes in Irish parliamentary democracy are
corporatism, clientelism, corruption and centralisation. Ireland has
corporatist institutional arrangements of the type found in several small
European countries. They provide consensus and stable policies but challenge
the vitality of parliament. Similarly, clientelism is examined in the light
of its potential to undermine the role of the legislative function in a
political system that promotes high levels of constituency service. The
article also addresses the problem of political corruption from the
perspective of its impact on the political system and the balance between
parliamentary and judicial means of dealing with it. Finally, the recent
plan to decentralise the civil service is discussed.

Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0031-2290

DOI (article): 10.1093/pa/gsh047
SICI (online): 0031-2290(20040701)57:3L.601;1-



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Since we have quite a few new members...

My usual Database update and Password change message...

It is possible to consult over 6 years of Irish-Diaspora list archives...

For access to the RESTRICTED area of irishdiaspora.net...

Go to
Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net

Click on Special Access, at the top of the screen.

Username irdmember
Current Password cagney

This password is changed regularly.

That gets you into our RESTRICTED area.

Click on RESTRICTED, and you have access to our two databases...

DIRDA - the Database of the Ir-D Archive...
DIDI - the Database of Irish-Diaspora Interests

Click on DIRDA and search or browse...

Log out by clicking on the small irishdiaspora.net words at the top of the
screen.

Note that recent technical changes mean that for these facilities to work
your web browser must have cookies enabled.

Further notes...

1.
People who are using the Username guest will need to contact me directly,
for that password too has changed.

2.
DIRDA, the Database of the Ir-D Archive does seem a bit slow to upload - we
are looking into reasons for this. It does now contain a lot of stuff.

3.
DIDI, the Database of Irish-Diaspora Interests, is an IR-D members only
facility.

The tradition of the Irish-Diaspora list is that new members do NOT post to
the list messages about projects and interests. This is partly because of
the way we grew, from a core group who knew each others work. And partly
because, in my experience, it is the people who send the most fulsome and
enthusiastic greetings who drop out in disgust within a few weeks.

DIDI has rather fallen into disuse, for a variety of reasons... The system
was designed in response to a variety of needs and fears - for example some
people were worried about spam, which is why the DIDI database is in our
RESTRICTED area.

However I am now getting messages from IR-D members who want to revive the
DIDI database and update their entries. And it would certainly be of help
to us if the DIDI database was up to date - in looking for book reviewers,
for example.

The DIDI system works through an approved email address. And of course
people keep changing their email addresses.

If you would like to update or create an entry in the DIDI database email me
at
Patrick O'Sullivan
I will then make sure that DIDI knows your current email address, and I will
distribute the DIDI user instructions.

P.O'S.

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From: Moira Ruff
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http://www.bath.ac.uk/esml/conferences/imm/

DEPARTMENT OF EUROPEAN STUDIES AND MODERN LANGUAGES Conference
THE APPROACH OF MAINSTREAM AND EXTREMIST POLITICAL PARTIES TOWARDS
IMMIGRATION
Monday 20 September - Tuesday 21 September 2004, University of Bath, UK

Dear Patrick

I got notice of this conference today - it may well be of interest to IR-D
members, especially the paper listed at 2.40 pm on the programme, on "Why is
the Far Right in the Republic of Ireland 'under-developed'?" from Dr Steve
Garner (University of the West of England).

Kind regards

Moira Ruff
Research Officer
Department of Law
University of Sheffield
Crookesmoor Building
Conduit Road
Sheffield S10 1FL
Tel: +44 (0)114 222 6776
Fax: +44 (0)114 222 6832
Please visit our website www.sheffield.ac.uk/law

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From: Jim McAuley
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Hi Paddy,

How was Liverpool? I was at a conference in Sweden I'm afraid. Just
wondering if the attached would be of interest to those on the Ir-D list?

As always,

Jim

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FIONA WATT
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Faculty of Humanities, Languages and Social Sciences Frenchay Campus
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BS16 1QY
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NORTHERN IRELAND:
A CIVIL OR UNCIVIL SOCIETY?

Saturday 25 September 2004
Burwalls Conference Centre, Bristol, UK

Centre for Critical Theory, HLSS, UWE, Frenchay Campus, Coldharbour Lane,
Bristol BS16 1QY
Email: cct[at]uwe.ac.uk
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Two items from yesterday's Guardian...

P.O'S.

1.
Imperial measures

Leader
Monday July 26, 2004
The Guardian

'Not many people on the UK side of the Irish Sea have noticed it but Ireland
is now a richer country than its former imperial master, if you believe
international comparisons. In 2002, according to United Nations figures,
Ireland generated a gross domestic product per capita of $36,360 compared
with only $26,159 for the UK. These results were worked out using purchasing
power parities which adjust for international price differences to find out
what incomes can really buy. One reason this historic development has gone
largely unremarked in the UK is because people cannot, or do not want to,
believe it. Even in Ireland it has been greeted sceptically...'

Full text at...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,,1268943,00.html


2.
OBITUARY in GUARDIAN
Joe Cahill

A founder of the Provisional IRA and one of the architects of its urban
guerrilla terrorism, in the 1990s he promoted the peace process

Chris Ryder
Monday July 26, 2004
The Guardian

'The life of Joe Cahill, who has died aged 84 from asbestosis, was violently
dedicated to the cause of a united Ireland. As a teenager, he escaped
hanging for murder and, nearly 30 uncompromising years later, he helped
found the Provisional IRA, setting new standards of brutality as one of the
principal architects of its urban guerrilla terrorism.

During the years since, he has remained a pivotal figure, not least because
of his position at the heart of the web of money-raising and gun-running
conduits he spun, most notably in Libya and the United States.

Altogether he served over 15 years in custody in the two Irish jurisdictions
and, ultimately, with some 60 years association with the Republican
movement, used his authority and influence to promote the pragmatic peace
strategy of the 1990s to IRA activists...'

Full text at...
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I am not a great Simpsons fan - too much like real life...

But 2 Simpsons items...

1.
In this year's Christmas special Lisa will support Cornish independence.
The episode will feature Lisa Simpson shouting "rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn"
(freedom for Cornwall now) as she runs around the house in Springfield.
See...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/3866927.stm

and elsewhere on the web...

Perhaps Lisa could be persuaded to learn Irish?

And, on that train of thought...

2.
Are the Simpsons Irish...?

I have checked these details on Simpsons web sites, without much success...

The question arose, watching an episode with my son the other day... (Look,
it means he eats his greens...)

It is the episode about anti-immigrant legislation.
They come here, they take all the jobs...
"Much Apu About Nothing"
Episode 3F20

Grampa Simpson remembers coming to the USA as an immigrant - in the
flashback he is seen as a child and his father Simpson is presented as a
sterotypical Irish immigrant. Soon these early Simpsons are living inside
the Statue of Liberty's head, which they fill with litter.

Unpack that, you semioticians...

Of course Grampa Simpson's mind and his history are notoriously confused.
This is reall an insight into the scriptwriter's mind. What white-skinned
group can be readily, and visibly, identified as immigrants?

P.O'S.

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From: Rogers, James
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Subject: RE: [IR-D] Two Simpsons items

Perhaps you have already alerted the list to this site, devoted to Irish
references on the Simpsons? -- Jim R

http://www.snpp.com/guides/irish.refs.html

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From: Matthew Barlow
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It may be true that the Simpsons, in Grandpa's questionable memory, were a
stereotyped Irish immigrant group living in the head of the Statue of
Liberty, but in another episode, I think it was the one guest-starring Barry
White and featuring the annual Springfield Snake Whacking, Grandpa
reminisces about how, before the Snake Whacking, the only thing to whack was
the Irish.

Matthew Barlow
Concordia University
Montreal (QC)

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Could they be Scots-Irish? There are quite a few Simpsons in this part of
the world?

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> And, on that train of thought...
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> Are the Simpsons Irish...?
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Grant Recipients of the Irish Argentine Research Fund

Five research projects were selected for the Irish Argentine Research Fund
grant programme 2004-2005

"I was extremely impressed by the general quality of the applications"
declared Oliver Marshall, from the Centre for Brazilian Studies (University
of Oxford), one of the members of the Selection Committee.
His colleague Hilda Sabato (Universidad de Buenos Aires) added "it was a
tough selection." Under the direction of Kevin Whelan (University of Notre
Dame), they had to choose among candidates from Argentina, Canada, Ireland,
United States, and United Kingdom.

The objective of Irish Argentine Research Fund is to support innovative and
significant research in the different aspects of migrations between Ireland
and South America. Grants of up to 1,000 Euros are awarded to exceptionally
promising students, faculty members or independent scholars to help support
their research and writing leading to publication or other types of
communication of their projects. Grant recipients were selected on the basis
of a well-developed research plan that promises to make a significant
contribution to a particular area of study about the Irish in South America.

The grant recipients for the academic year 2004-2005 are the following:

- Claire Healy (National University of Ireland, Galway), 600 Euros, 'Irish
Migration to Argentina: Interaction between African, Indigenous and Irish
People in Buenos Aires, 1776-1892.'
- Jorge Cernadas Fonsalias (Universidad de Buenos Aires), 400 Euros,
'Relations Between the Irish Nationalist Movement and the Irish settlers in
Argentina, 1916-1922.'
- Helen Kelly (Trinity College, Dublin), 400 Euros, 'An Historical Analysis
of the Irish Community in Argentina from 1830s to the Turn of the Century.'
- Maria Jose Roger and Lorena Kijora (Universidad Catolica Argentina), 300
Euros, 'The Irish Argentines during the Violent Years, 1976-1983.
The Role of the Irish-Argentine Institutions and Individuals during the Last
Military Dictatorship in Argentina.'
- Carla Horton (Universidad de Buenos Aires), 200 Euros, '"En Defensa de los
Valores de la Raza Irlandesa". El Padre Federico Richards y el Southern
Cross ante el Proceso de Reorganizacion Nacional, 1976-1978.'

These grants are offered thanks to the generosity of private IAHS members
and friends.

For further information contact the Secretary:=20
edmundo.murray[at]irishargentine.org=20
Or write to:
The Irish Argentine Historical Society
Maison Rouge
1261 Burtigny Switzerland

The IAHS is a non-profit international organisation incorporated in Geneva
under the laws of Switzerland.

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From: Brian McGinn
bmcginn2[at]earthlink.net
Subject: Irish Speakers in South America


Patrick McKenna has documented the presence of one Irish-speaking family,
the Carmodys from Co. Clare, in post-Famine 19th century Argentina.

See his "Irish Migration to Argentina" in Patrick O'Sullivan, ed., Patterns
of Migration, Vol. One of The Irish World Wide (Leicester University Press,
1997), pp. 69-70.

Now we have evidence of another family of Irish speakers in pre-Famine
Colombia.
There are several curious aspects to this account, and I post it both for
the record and in the hope that some list member/s can shed more light on
it.

The account appears in Volume 3 of Eric Lambert, Voluntarios Britanicos e
Irlandeses en la Gesta Bolivariana (Caracas, 1993), pp. 266-267.

(For a biographical sketch of the author, see
http://www.rte.ie/culture/millenia/people/lamberteric.html
)

In brief, the account describes an 1820 encounter between a unit of
Bolivar's forces, under Jose Maria Carreno, and an Irish family named
Collins at San Carlos (near Cienaga), in present-day Colombia.

A loose translation of Lambert follows:
"Collins and one of his daughters were introduced to Carreno, who could not
understand a single word that he said. Then they called upon O'Connor
(Francis BurdettO'Connor, a Cork-born officer in Bolivar's Irish Legion),
who tried speaking to Collins in English without success. Sometime
afterwards they heard them speaking to Sandes (Arthur Sandes, another
officer from Co. Kerry in Bolivar's forces) in Irish."

The Collins family were allegedly part of a colony of "ingleses libres"
established by King Carlos III of Spain.
Atypically for Lambert, who was noted for his meticulous research, the claim
is not footnoted (though there are a limited number of obscure or difficult
to find sources from which he could have taken it) .

I'll be happy to supply those to any Ir-D member who is interested in
pursuing this--a medical condition confines me to home for now.

The curious--dare I say unbelievable--aspect of this story is the question
of how a family of Irish-speaking monoglots could survive, and conduct
commerce, in 19th century Spanish America. The Carmodys, at least, were
bilingual.
If it wasn't included by Lambert, I'd be loath to post it. But there must be
more to it.....
Also, I find it interesting that an Irishman of Sandes' Anglo-Irish,
Protestant background (five of his brothers served in the British army,
with only one surviving) was allegedly fluent in Irish.


Brian McGinn
Alexandria, Virginia
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From: Dymphna.Lonergan[at]flinders.edu.au
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Irish Speakers in South America


This is, indeed, an intriguing quotation. As for the Anglo-Irish Ascendency
speaking Irish, it would not have been unusual in the nineteenth century.
Landlords needed Irish if they wanted to communicate with their servants and
no doubt some chose to learn it, or they may have been exposed to the
language as children through their interaction with an Irish-speaking nanny
and through playing with the children of servants. The topic of the Irish
language and the Anglo-Irish was popular enough for Jonathon Swift, while
acknowledging the advantages in a landlord being an Irish speaker, warning
of the dangers involved should the Anglo-Irish landlord go to England: 'For
I do not remember to have heard of any man that spoke Irish, who have not
the accent upon his tongue, easily discernible to the English ear.'

This accent or 'brogue' may also provide a clue to how O'Connor apparently
had trouble understanding Collins. Collins may have had a heavy Irish
English accent influenced by his native tongue, and O'Connor may have had
difficulty understanding his English as a result (we don't know what part of
Ireland Collins hailed from, but O'Connor was, apparently, from Cork-could
the misunderstanding have been the other way round?).

Sadly, I think, we are often the 'monoglots' in mind because of our
difficulties in appreciating the multilingual nature of the Irish world
prior to the twentieth century. Patricia Palmer's article 'Interpreters and
the politics of translation and traduction in sixteenth-century Ireland' in
Irish Historical Studies May 2003 shows us this world at an early stage in
sixteenth century Ireland when, as Palmer says, 'language difference and
literal incomprehension were an ineluctable part of the meeting of
cultures'.

slan

Dymphna

Dr Dymphna Lonergan
Professional English Administrator
8201 2079 room 261 Humanities
The Irish Language in Australia, Australian English, Hiberno English, Irish
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From: Murray, Edmundo=20
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Subject: RE: [IR-D] Irish Speakers in South America

In his weighty genealogical catalogue of the Irish in Argentina (1987),
Eduardo Coghlan recorded a few cases of native speakers of Irish, among
them, the Carmodys mentioned by Brian, as well as other families from
Kilkee, Co. Clare (Griffin, Haugh, MacNamara, O'Riordon, the most =
frequent
entries), and also from western Cork. In the 1870s, these families lived
together and were isolated from the major Irish settlements (perhaps for
their language but most probably for their social origin... if both =
could be
detached!). They resided in western departments of Buenos Aires (Nueve =
de
Julio and Los Toldos) and were allegedly looked down on by other Irish
setters, particularly from Wexford (some of them being landowners,
'estancieros').

Related to this, in the short stories 'Tales of the Pampas' by William
Bulfin (1900) some of the characters (mostly Irish shepherds and cattle
hands, but never 'estancieros') make a plentiful use of Irish language
words. They use them with the English language syntax, more to show that
they speak Irish than anything else (Bulfin didn't expect his readers to
understand Irish).=20

Another linguistic note, relevant in the context of the larger
English-speaking community in 19th-century Buenos Aires, is in Kathleen
Nevin's novel 'You'll Never Go Back' (1946). If I remember correctly, =
the
main character's friend (from Longford) is reprimanded by the Se=F1ora
(Spanish-speaker) of the house where they work as servants. The Se=F1ora
overheard the girls chatting with their particular Irish brogue, and she
wants their children to be taught the English accent instead.

Conversely to the Welsh in Patagonia (there are still a few speakers of
Welsh in Chubut), the Irish elites in Argentina in the second half of =
the
19th century did not consider worthy to maintain the Irish language
tradition of some of their members. It seems that for them the =
connections
with the powerful English-speaking business community were more =
important.

The linguistics of 19th and early 20th-century Irish in Latin America is =
a
fascinating field of study, given the interactions among Irish settlers =
from
geographically and socially diverse origins, and their relation with =
other
communities in formation or vanishing (eg., Spanish, English, African,
Portuguese, French-Basque, and of course Amerindian).=20

By the way, there are some MP3 sound files online in the IAHS website, =
which
include fragments of interviews with speakers of English with strong =
brogues
from Westmeath and Wexford, though they were born in Argentina and never
visited Ireland (www.irishargentine.org).=20

Edmundo Murray

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Our attention has been drawn to the following item in the Belfast
Telegraph...

QUB lecturer writes play on 'black Irish'

'29 July 2004

A Queen's University lecturer has teamed up with local Dubbeljoint
playwright Brian Campbell to help in the writing and production of a new
play to be premiered tomorrow as part of the West Belfast Festival.

Dr Jonathan Skinner, who lectures in the School of Anthropological Studies,
has just published a book on the identity of the black Irish people of the
Caribbean island of Montserrat.'

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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=545961

The text when I looked at seemed to have encountered some sub-editing
problems...

P.O'S.

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From: Kerby Miller
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A citation to Skinner's book would be very useful.
Thanks,
Kerby




>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>Our attention has been drawn to the following item in the Belfast
>Telegraph...
>
>QUB lecturer writes play on 'black Irish'
>
>'29 July 2004
>
>A Queen's University lecturer has teamed up with local Dubbeljoint
>playwright Brian Campbell to help in the writing and production of a
>new play to be premiered tomorrow as part of the West Belfast Festival.
>
>Dr Jonathan Skinner, who lectures in the School of Anthropological
>Studies, has just published a book on the identity of the black Irish
>people of the Caribbean island of Montserrat.'
>