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The 13th Irish-Australian Conference is being held in Melbourne next week,
Tues. 28 Sept. to Fri.1 Oct.

The full and most up-to-date programme, plus a registration form, is on the
Conference website:
http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/13IrishAusConf.index.htm

Below are a few highlights.

There will be nearly 100 speakers over 4 days, with 5 plenary lectures and 2
discussion panels:

PLENARY LECTURES
Rosemary Sheehan (Monash U. Melbourne) on Child Abuse in Australia & Ireland
Ailbhe Smyth (UCD) on Women's Studies in Ireland Alvin Jackson (QUB) on Home
Rule & Irish History Kerby Miller (U. Missouri) on the Origins of Ulster
Unionist Hegemony Lindsay Proudfoot & Dianne Hall (QUB) on Irish Identities
in 19th-Century Australia

DISCUSSION PANELS
Ireland & Australian Poetry
Patrick O'Farrell & the History of the Irish in Australia

VISITING SPEAKERS
Louise Fuller (Maynooth) will be speaking on Irish Catholicism since 1950;
Angela McCarthy (Aberdeen) on Scottish and Irish migration to the Antipodes
during the 20th century; Margaret O hOgartaigh (St Patrick's, Drumcondra) on
Field Day volumes 4&5; Jim McPherson (Sunderland) on Irish women's culture;
Margaret Lynch-Brennan (NY) on Irish domestic servants in the USA; Ciaran O
hOgartaigh (Dublin City) on Irish convicts in NSW; Breda Gray (Limerick) on
Irish women migrants to Britain during the 1980s; Pauline Hurley-Kurtz
(Temple, Philadelphia) on Famine memorials on 3 continents; Michael Boss
(Aarhus, Denmark) on the theme of exile in Irish literature & history; Bill
Rolston (Ulster) on dealing with the past in Northern Ireland; and Michael O
hAodha (Limerick) on Irish as a secret language among convicts sent to
Australia.

FUNCTIONS
The Conference will be opened (28 Sept.) by the Irish Ambassador to
Australia & New Zealand at the Celtic Club. It will feature an evening of
Irish music at the Corkman Pub (29 Sept.), a dinner at Newman College (30
Sept.), and a festival of recent Irish films at Cinema Nova (1-3 Oct.).

IRISH STUDIES ASSOCIATION IN AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND During the Conference a
new association to foster Irish Studies in Australia and New Zealand will be
established.

NEXT CONFERENCE, CORK JUNE 2005
The 14th Irish-Australian Conference will be held in Cork on 22-24 June
2005, organised by Dr Larry Geary. For information and/or to offer a paper,
please contact: l.geary[at]ucc.ie.


Elizabeth Malcolm


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Professor Elizabeth Malcolm
Gerry Higgins Professor of Irish Studies

Department of History
University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria, 3010
AUSTRALIA

Telephone: +61-3-8344 3924
Fax: +61-3-8344 7894
Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au

Chair of Irish Studies Website:
http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/irish/index.htm
Irish-Australian Conference Website:
http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/irish/13IrishAusConf/index.htm

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Is Don MacRaild's move temporary or permanent?

TJA

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The eagle has landed...

Don MacRaild's new contact details in New Zealand...

Professor Donald MacRaild
School of History, Philosophy, Politics and International Relations Victoria
University of Wellington PO Box 600 Wellington New Zealand
phone: 0064-4-463-5448
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email:donald.macraild[at]vuw.ac.nz

Paddy

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Mea culpa...I meant Charles E. Rice, Professor Emeritus of Law at Notre
Dame.

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> From: Kerby Miller
> MillerK[at]missouri.edu

> Seamus Metress is/was from the U. of Toledo or the U. of Dayton (both
> in Ohio), not from Notre Dame.
> KM
>

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Permanent. He has become a 'creative migrant'...

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TJA

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I recall a very pleasant sojourn at the UAFP Autumn School a few years back.
Though, as I must also recall, I spent much time quarrelling with the title
'Literature of Irish Exile' - which seemed to me to be an attempt to control
what could be written about Irish migration, and control what is written
about what is written. This is, perhaps, to apply the insights of Kerby
Miller to the study of literature...

At that meeting the estimable Patricia Coughlin, of UC Cork, introduced us
to that intriguing book by Alice McDermott, _Charming Billy_, 1998. I
happen to have done some work on the philosophy of the lie - the storyline
of the book hinges on a dreadful lie - and was able to suggest further
reading to Pat. Later I picked up the book - for a few pence, in a charity
bookshop - and read it...

It is beautifully written, has a brave and interesting approach and
structure. It is now much discussed - a web search will reveal more. It
is, I think, an instant Irish-American classic - the background, of Catholic
Irish-American folkways, is absorbing, and Irish-American disappointment.
'Clonmel was bigger than he'd imagined it and, as with so many of these
Irish cities, not nearly as quaint...' (p. 248). In fact maybe the book can
be read as a parable of diasporic relationships - Irish-American money
misused for Irish purposes, the naive Irish-American man in love with the
symbolic Irish woman. Who is called Eva. Not Eva of The Nation - but
maybe, as so often with these symbolic Irish women, Eva the Nation...

P.O'S.


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From: Brian Lambkin
Brian.lambkin[at]uafp.co.uk]
Subject: Literature of Irish Exile 5


The Fifth Literature of Irish Exile

Autumn School

Centre for Migration Studies at the Ulster-American Folk Park, Omagh

Saturday, 16 October 2004


The Literature of Irish Exile Autumn School is now in its fifth year. Our
focus will again be on how emigrants from Ireland have given expression in
words to feelings of exile. Part of the programme will take place in the
stimulating setting of the Outdoor Museum of the Ulster-American Folk Park.
The rest will be in the warmth of the library of the Centre for Migration
Studies. The aim is to give members of the public a friendly opportunity to
meet and mix with experts on some of the less well-known aspects of 'exile'
in Irish literature.

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Paddy
Nicely put and point taken about the title.
Of course, to my shame, I have yet to read CB! and I thought I was feeling
quite guilty enough.
Brian

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I recall a very pleasant sojourn at the UAFP Autumn School a few years back.
Though, as I must also recall, I spent much time quarrelling with the title
'Literature of Irish Exile' - which seemed to me to be an attempt to control
what could be written about Irish migration, and control what is written
about what is written. This is, perhaps, to apply the insights of Kerby
Miller to the study of literature...

At that meeting the estimable Patricia Coughlin, of UC Cork, introduced us
to that intriguing book by Alice McDermott, _Charming Billy_, 1998. I
happen to have done some work on the philosophy of the lie - the storyline
of the book hinges on a dreadful lie - and was able to suggest further
reading to Pat. Later I picked up the book - for a few pence, in a charity
bookshop - and read it...

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From time to time I share gossip and notices with Khachig Tololyan, the
Editor of the Journal, Diaspora...

This is his comment on our little IR-D exchange about the Fifth Literature
of Irish Exile Autumn School...

P.O'S.


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>
> From: Khachig Tololyan
> Sent: 22 September 2004 16:32
> To: Patrick O'Sullivan
> Subject: Fifth Literature of Irish Exile Autumn School
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Thank you. For this as for past favors and mailings. Last year I was
> asked to speak at a gathering in France on Exile, an overview.
> I was struck again by what your e-mail
> also hints at: how the semantic domain of not at homeness is divided
> up by the vocabulary of extraterritoriality, migrancy, exile,
> diaspora, transnationalism, expatriation, etc. And each culture/social
> formation does it its own way, for its own purposes and shaped by the
> momentum of its own history.
> The British transported so many people - but did not, apparently,
> think of what they were doing as exiling them - to do so might have
> dignified english thieves and Irish rebels too much, with a title that
> has its origins in the classics. I have had students who think exile
> is what happened to artists since Joyce left ireland....
> No kidding.
>
> Good to be in touch. As ever, Kach
>
> Professor Khachig Tololyan
> Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT. 06459-0100
> E-mail: ktololyan[at]wesleyan.edu
> Phone: 860-685-3628
> Editor, Diaspora: a journal of transnational studies
> www.utpress.utoronto.ca./journal/diaspora.htm
>
>

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Further on this British Muslims the 'New Irish' thread from a while back -
the most recent, below, and the others are in the archive, of course...

I have found myself advising on a possible BBC radio programme, which might
pursue that theme...

Quite by accident, whilst reading around another issue, I came across an
earlier version of this British Muslim/Irish comparison/contrast...

It is in Philip Lewis, 'Arenas of Ethnic Negotiation: Cooperation and
Conflict in Bradford', Chapter 7 in

Tariq Modood and Pnina Werbner, eds,
The Politics of Multiculturalism in the New Europe : Racism, Identity and
Community
(Postcolonial Encounters Ser.) (ISBN:1856494217)
London, United Kingdom: Zed Books, Limited, 1997.

In that Chapter Philip Lewis has a few pages on 'Irish Catholics in
Bradford' - but in fact his given sources are very general, mostly Steven
Fielding. His main focus is on education...

Philip Lewis is the Anglican Bishop of Bradford's adviser on interfaith
issues, and the author of _Islamic Britain: religion, politics and identity
among British Muslims : Bradford in the 1990s_. A web search will turn up
other articles and quotes. He has a connection with the Department of Peace
Studies at the University of Bradford.

P.O'S.


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It has been brought to my attention by friends here in Bradford that this
article, "British Muslims the 'New Irish'?", by Jack O'Sullivan, appeared
first in Q-News, October, 2003. Q-News is a politically moderate
English-language Muslim cultural and political journal. There is a web site
www.q-news.com

In an odd conflation of material, this article in Q-News is illustrated with
(uncredited) photographs, downloaded from The Gypsy Collections at the
University of Liverpool - I recognise 'Irish Travellers on the Road, c.
1950' Photo: Donal Sheehan, and 'Passive Resistance by Irish Travellers,
Ballyfermot 1964' Photo: Max Mulvihill...

Q-News says of the writer: 'Jack O'Sullivan writes on Islam and is a former
columnist of the Catholic Herald. He is also a co-founder of Fathers
Direct.' So, this article appeared in a Muslim journal, and has been
followed up in a sort of left-wing journal, the New Statesman, and a
Catholic journal, the Tablet.

In the same issue of Q-News is an interesting obituary of Edward Said by
Professor Mohammed Bakari.

P.O'S.


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Dear CAIS members and friends

You might like to know that next year's conference will be held at the
National University of Ireland, Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland, June 22-25,
2005.

From their website: NUI Maynooth is a dynamic and innovative university of
some 5,500 students from every county in Ireland as well as an increasing
number of international students. Situated 25km west of Dublin, it is
located in Ireland's only university town, Maynooth, which combines the
historical legacy of its medieval origins with a present day location on the
fringes of Dublin, adjacent to the Irish and European headquarters of many
multi-national high technology companies.

Hope to see you there.
Jean Talman
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A New Issue, of the Canadian Journal of Irish Studies, Volume 29, Number 2,
Fall 2003, has been distributed to subscribers - including all members of
the CAIS...

I have not been able to get hold of a full Table of Contents. No doubt the
TOC will appear somewhere, in due course.

This is the first issue of CJIS under the new structure - they are aiming at
a series of special themed issues under guest editors, whilst Jerry White
acts as Co-ordinating Editor...

The theme of this issue is 'Irish Cinema' under guest editor Brian McIlroy
of the U of British Columbia.

Generally a very useful addition to the literature on 'Irish Cinena' -
however defined, with enough discussion of definitions to keep the seminar
going.

Cheryl Temple-Herr offers a re-viewing of Man of Aran. There are papers on
Neil Jordan, representations of Ulster loyalism. Ruth Barton's study of
short films has a witty Irish Studies in-joke in its title - 'The Ireland
They Dream Of...' There are interviews with Kevin Rockett and with Rod
Stoneman...

The cinema theme is continued in the book reviews section, with reviews of,
amongst others, Lance Pettitt, Brian McIlroy, Martin McLoone, and the Cork
UP Ireland into Film series.

All good fun. One article offers little fun, Brian McIlroy's own
'cautionary tale' of Irish film distribution in North America - a prosaic
account of film finance and the tropes that appeal to to American
distributors, Irish whimsy, 'Troubles' films, 'Diasporic' meanderings...
And so on. This is the article I liked best - but then I would...

There is one further thing - something that, once you have noticed it,
cannot be not noticed... What do pages 31, 36, 40, 42, 56, 63, have in
common? On every one of those page there is a photograph of a man holding a
gun.

Does this mean something? I don't know. But, as I say, you cannot not
notice it...

Congratulations to Brian McIlroy on seeing this project through - certainly
worth doing, and done well...

P.O'S.


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Ruth Sherry has sent out this helpful message, below...

The Boston College Burns Library project is certainly worth looking =
at... A
collection of the dust jackets of Irish language books...

It makes visible a neglected area. I was struck by the translations =
into
Irish of classics - and potboilers... And often intrigued when we are =
able
to identify the translators.

And this on Cathal =D3 Sandair...

'Foremost among the fiction for young adults were the novels of Cathal =
=D3
Sandair and Miche=E1l D'And=FAn. Cathal =D3 S=E1ndair, one of the most =
prolific
Irish language authors, produced over one hundred novels, many of them
westerns featuring cowboys and gun fights. Born in Weston Super Mare,
England to an English father and Irish mother, his family moved to =
Ireland
when he was a child. While still a school boy =D3 Sandair published a =
story in
the first issue of the magazine Gael =D3g in 1938. His first novel =
appeared in
1943 and featured R=E9ics Carl=F3, the most famous Irish language =
detective. In
addition to the many adventures of R=E9ics Carl=F3, =D3 S=E1ndair wrote =
a series of
novels featuring the character R=E9amonn =D3g. The third strand of his =
fiction
centered on school adventures where boys and girls inevitably save the =
day.
=D3 S=E1ndair is reputed to have published 160 books and sold more than =
500,000
copies.'=20

And here, of course, we have a further example of an Irish Diaspora
collection rescued by good practice. The exibition is based on a gift =
from
John W. O'Gorman. The O'Gorman gift includes the library of the Goody =
Glover
Gaelic Society library that promoted Irish language and dancing in =
Boston in
the 1950s and conducted classes at a private house in Joy Street on =
Beacon
Hill.

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The Boston College Burns Library has published a fascinating "virtual
exhibit" of covers of Irish language books published during the =
jurisdiction
of the Free State. It includes some brief comment on authors/translators =
and
on the general situation of Irish language book publication during the
relevant period. It's available at

http://www.bc.edu/libraries/centers/burns/exhibits/virtual/bkcovers/

This "exhibit" appears as if it may be part of a larger project of art
history for the period, but it doesn't really give any details about =
that.

Ruth Sherry
Professor of English Literature
Department of Modern Languages/Institutt for moderne fremmedspr=E5k =
Section
for English/Engelskseksjon Norwegian University of Science and =
Technology
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phone +47 73596783 direct line/direkte innvalg //73596778 Section
office/Kontor for engelskseksjon fax +47 73596770=20

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I have not seen any answers to Jill Blee's query, below...

That may be because there is very little sensible comment on nineteenth
century Irish dress...

I've had a look at some web sites, and you find the familiar images...

http://fc.lbpsb.qc.ca/~history/m4u1l3.htm

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=ArchivedFeatures&Param
s=A243

http://www.hauntedfieldmusic.com/News.html

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/irish/origins/origins.htm

Kass McGann's web site

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish/index.html

http://libtext.library.wisc.edu/HistPriSrc/index.html

http://nieland.our-kin.com/History/History/EmbarkingatLiverpool.htm

I recall one popularising historian referring to 'the worst dressed
peasantry in Europe...' - we know the source, but the image that stays in
the mind is not helpful, of whatever is the opposite of a fashion parade...

You could list a series of key quotes about the mid C19th Irish peasant and
clothes - Asenath Nicolson on the blue coats, Johann Georg Kohl on the knee
breeeches. Recurring themes are that such clothing is inappropriate - how
much better if they had worn the English farmer's smock - and old-fashioned.
The clothing of the poor does tend to be old-fashioned - I recall a recent
Ir-D mention of flared trousers in the 1970s.

Things that are sometimes seen as distinctively Irish - like, later, shawls
for women and cloth caps for men - are often simply the general dress of
European peasants and workers. I have not seen any study of this, but with
emigration to Australia being as controlled as it was, the importance of the
ship's kit, I wonder if there was maybe some standardisation of clothing

Folkloric garments - like the Aran sweater - seem to be later, late 19th,
early 20th century developments. I remember a long time ago someone
complaining about Irish traditional music - she did not want to watch three
pullovers singing about dead sailors. This immediately inspired me to write
a song about three dead sailars singing about pullovers...

But I digress...

Paddy





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Dear Paddy,

I have just been given an interesting project with the Sovereign Hill
re-enactment park. They want me to provide details for the establishment of
a working Catholic school like those which would have operated in gold rush
Ballarat during the 1850s. As all the children would have been newly arrived
Irish, I want to be able to dress the C21st children who attend the school
for two days to experience the goldrush in the costume of mid 19th century
Irish children.

I recall reading about red petticoats. Can anyone tell me if Irish women and
girls did wear them? Did they wear crochetted or knitted shawls. Can anyone
recommend a source of images I could use. I also need to know what the boys
would have been wearing,

Jill Blee

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This query by Jim Rogers has been nagging at me...

I do not know of any specific studies - or rather, my memory has not yet
been able to give me a specific reference...

But the general point, about such publishers as cultural entrepreneurs and
intermediaries, was raised in discussion of my paper on John Denvir at the
ACIS Liverpool Conference - my paper was about John Denvir as a publisher...

And there was much discussion, following my own cautionary tales, about the
difficulty of identifying publishers in library catalogues...

Two catalogues that I know give the publisher are the British Library
http://www.bl.uk/

For these purposes I find the new BL Integrated Catalogue not as useful as
the old system...

and Harvard
http://lib.harvard.edu/

The Harvard catalogue gives 300+ Devin-Adair items, and it is easy to see
the Irish and Irish-American, and the Catholic, parts of their output.

On a train of thought... A search for Kenedy - another significant NY
publisher - gives 293 entries, and again you can see the Irish,
Irish-American, and Catholic items. Such publishers certainly did see
themselves as cultural intermediaries. O'Donovan Rossa recalled that P. J.
Kenedy, born in Manhattan in 1843, knew Irish...

OK, right... memory working... Shea & Casey Bibliography, The Irish
Experience in New York City, gives one unpublished thesis, p. 12, McGinley,
New York Catholic Publishers, 1947 - described by S & C as 'simplistic,
brief histories...' Ooh, they're sharp...

I do think this is an important and neglected area of study.

Paddy


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Does anyone know if there have been any published studies of the midcentury
Irish publishing/distribution efforts of the Devin-Adair company of New
York? In particular, would a list of the Irish titles that they handled be
readily available anywhere?

Thanks

Jim Rogers
New Hibernia Review
jrogers[at]stthomas.edu

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Something for the historical geographers...

Forwarded on behalf of
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Department of Geography-Geology
Illinois State University


-----Original Message-----
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Call for papers for sessions at AAG 2005 Conference
Organizer: Beth Schlemper

Session Title: Historical Geography and Transnationalism

Papers in this session will focus on the role of historical geography in
understanding transnational spaces and networks. Many contemporary studies
of transnationalism focus on the impact of processes of globalization on the
increasing complexity and importance of transnational networks that link
places at a number of different geographic scales. Sociologists and social
anthropologists, in particular, have been prolific in the area of
transnational studies as they relate to globalization. Recognizing the
geographic questions embedded in these studies, geographers have also made
significant contributions in this area (See, for example, the 1997 issue of
Antipode Volume 29, edited by Katharyne Mitchell and the 2003 issue of The
Canadian Geographer Volume 47). While it is certainly correct to assume
that transnational networks and associated hybrid identities are more
feasible today than in the past, historical geographic studies can play an
important role in understanding the importance of these networks through
time.

Potential topics for this session include but are not limited to:
* Mapping transnationalism
* Immigration and transnational networks
* Hybrid Identities and transnationalism
* Historical geographic methods and techniques for understanding
transnationalism
* Diffusion of institutions and the construction of transnational
networks

The deadline for abstract submissions is October 21. If you are interested
in participating in this session, please contact me by October 15 if
possible.

Beth Schlemper
Assistant Professor
Department of Geography-Geology
Illinois State University

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From: Murray, Edmundo=20
Edmundo.Murray[at]wto.org
Subject: RE: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 2

Reading Irish emigrant letters from Argentina to Ireland and Australia, =
I
have explored the question of dress, especially to verify if 1850/60s =
Irish
sheep-farmers did wear "gaucho" apparel (eg., chirip=E1 and botas de =
potro) or
not. The following quotes are from the Murphy sequence (1844-1878):

"Send also =BD Dr Mettle socks with it, one dozen is sufficient, as we =
can get
them made here" (1864)

"One thing I must trouble you for is to send me out a pair of flannel
drawers by the first that is coming out to this neighbourhood, as the
flannel out here are too fine & thin for winter season" (1867)

"I must trouble you now to send me out by some passengers two flannel
drawers, strong, large and the same as those we wear at home" (1868)

I didn't find any reference to children's or women's clothes.=20

Edmundo Murray


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From: "Jill Blee"

Dear Paddy,

I have just been given an interesting project with the Sovereign Hill
re-enactment park. They want me to provide details for the establishment =
of
a working Catholic school like those which would have operated in gold =
rush
Ballarat during the 1850s. As all the children would have been newly =
arrived
Irish, I want to be able to dress the C21st children who attend the =
school
for two days to experience the goldrush in the costume of mid 19th =
century
Irish children.

I recall reading about red petticoats. Can anyone tell me if Irish women =
and
girls did wear them? Did they wear crochetted or knitted shawls. Can =
anyone
recommend a source of images I could use. I also need to know what the =
boys
would have been wearing,

Jill Blee

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From: Ruth-Ann Harris=20
harrisrd[at]bc.edu
Subject: Re: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 3

In North America women were more likely to seek to dress like the local
population whereas men tended to hang on to Irish dress. I've never =
seen
any references to children's clothes in emigrant letters. =20
Ruth-Ann Harris




| Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:39:22 +0100
=20
| From: Murray, Edmundo
| Edmundo.Murray[at]wto.org
| Subject: RE: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 2 | | Reading Irish =
emigrant
letters from Argentina to Ireland and Australia, I | have explored the
question of dress, especially to verify if 1850/60s Irish | =
sheep-farmers
did wear "gaucho" apparel (eg., chirip=E1 and botas de potro) or | =
not. The
following quotes are from the Murphy sequence (1844-1878):
|
| "Send also =BD Dr Mettle socks with it, one dozen is sufficient, as =
we can
get | them made here" (1864) | | "One thing I must trouble you for =
is
to send me out a pair of flannel | drawers by the first that is coming =
out
to this neighbourhood, as the | flannel out here are too fine & thin =
for
winter season" (1867) | | "I must trouble you now to send me out by =
some
passengers two flannel | drawers, strong, large and the same as those =
we
wear at home" (1868) | | I didn't find any reference to children's or
women's clothes.=20
|
| Edmundo Murray
=20

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From: Kerby Miller
MillerK[at]missouri.edu
Subject: Re: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 2

It was my understanding that, in the late 18th and early 19th centuries,
perhaps especially the latter, eastern Ireland, at least, was a mass market
for used English clothing, thereby helping to explain the "out-of-style"
clothing of the Irish poor that was so often caricatured in prints,
cartoons, etc.
KM





>Email Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>....You could list a series of key quotes about the mid C19th Irish peasant

>and clothes - Asenath Nicolson on the blue coats, Johann Georg Kohl on
>the knee breeeches. Recurring themes are that such clothing is
>inappropriate - how much better if they had worn the English farmer's smock
- and old-fashioned.
>The clothing of the poor does tend to be old-fashioned - I recall a
>recent Ir-D mention of flared trousers in the 1970s.
>
>Things that are sometimes seen as distinctively Irish - like, later,
>shawls for women and cloth caps for men - are often simply the general
>dress of European peasants and workers. I have not seen any study of
>this, but with emigration to Australia being as controlled as it was,
>the importance of the ship's kit, I wonder if there was maybe some
>standardisation of clothing
>
>Folkloric garments - like the Aran sweater - seem to be later, late
>19th, early 20th century developments. I remember a long time ago
>someone complaining about Irish traditional music - she did not want to
>watch three pullovers singing about dead sailors. This immediately
>inspired me to write a song about three dead sailors singing about
pullovers...
>
>But I digress...
>
>Paddy
>

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Dear Paddy O'S.,
Not sure if this has been mentioned already but if not one might find
Mairead Dunlevy, Dress in Ireland (Batsford, London, 1989) useful.
Best,
Paddy Fitzgerald

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From: Kerby Miller
MillerK[at]missouri.edu
Subject: Re: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 2

It was my understanding that, in the late 18th and early 19th centuries,
perhaps especially the latter, eastern Ireland, at least, was a mass market
for used English clothing, thereby helping to explain the "out-of-style"
clothing of the Irish poor that was so often caricatured in prints,
cartoons, etc.
KM

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From: William Jenkins
wjenkins[at]yorku.ca
Subject: Re: [IR-D] 1850s Irish dress 5

A useful contribution to this topic, in my view, is Robert Scally's comments
about townland life in the rural districts around Strokestown, Co.
Roscommon, in the decades preceding the Famine.

"Shoes and hats were present in the townland, but they were rare - none for
women and children and not more than a dozen or two worn by adult men.
Almost certainly, the hats were signs of status in the townland, as they
became among many "pacified" native Americans or Polynesians. The
manufactured brimmed or high crowned hats of felt, battered shapeless,
sweat-stained, and drooping from rain, that clearly marked the "Paddy" in
caricature and in the earliest photographs, had not been long in rural
Ireland. This haberdashery had never been manufactured locally...they were
part of the flotsam and jetsam of the rag trade flowing from east to west
circuitously seeking its lowest market, where the final drops of profit
could be wrung out.....shoes traveled the same silent routes, along with
sundry other manufactured and processed items from within the industrial
core of western Europe....."

Robert J. Scally, The End of Hidden Ireland (Oxford UP, 1995) p. 32

It's great writing, though there is no footnote to this particular
paragraph.

All the best,
Willie Jenkins


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The latest issue of the Irish Literary Supplement, Fall 2004, has been
distributed - note that it goes to all members of ACIS, as part of that
subscription package....

'The Irish Literary Supplement is a twice-yearly review of Irish books. It
has been published since 1982 and is sponsored by the Irish Studies Program
of Boston College. Edited and published by Robert G. Lowery, the ILS
features about 50 reviews of Irish books in each issue, and there are
frequent interviews with leading Irish literature and cultural figures.'

http://www.bc.edu/centers/irish/studies/news/ils/

Note that the text of the ILS, from 2002, has begun to appear on the
Highbeam web site...

http://static.highbeam.com/i/irishliterarysupplement/

I have mentioned Highbeam before - it has turned itself into a (quite
pricey) journals, database, research web facility. Findarticles, which we
know and love, is the still free end of the Highbeam conglomerate...

The Irish Literary Supplement, Fall 2004, Volume 24, Number 1, begins with
Emmet Larkin's moving and loving appreciation of the life and work of
Lawrence W. McBride. The news of Larry McBride's death last year is only
now percolating around the world, and a number of IR-D members have
expressed their distress on hearing the news.

There are a number of reviews of interest to the Irish Diaspora list in this
issue. I can mention Thomas Hachey's helpful review of David Fitzpatrick's
Harry Boland book - one of its themes is Irish/Irish-American
misunderstandings and conflicts. Hachey recalls de Valera's assessment of
Daniel Cohalan - that he hated Britain more than he loved Ireland. And
Boland's assessment of the weakness of the Irish-American lobby. On a train
of thought, Alison Armstrong on Bruce Arnold's essay collection, The Spire,
offers food for that thought - 'Who owns our culture?' indeed... There are
also reviews of Jerrold Casway's Ed Delahanty book, and of Eunan O'Halpin's
MI5 and Ireland...

The most significant review is by IR-D member Maureen E. Mulvihill - her
review of Brian Lalor, ed., The Encylopaedia of Ireland, is, I think, the
first throrough, lengthy, scholarly consideration of that volume that has
appeared. The brief notices of the volume - some of which I have brought to
the attention of the IR-D list - have tended to go in for an odd mix of
comedy and awe. Those of us who were associated with the project would like
to see something more, and perhaps something more critical and
constructive...

I am pleased to say that Maureen E. Mulvihill has, with the permission of
the publisher of ILS, Robert G. Lowery, sent us the text of her review for
distribution to the Irish Diaspora list. The text of her review will follow
this email, in a quite lengthy email of its own.

The text will also appear on our web site www.irishdiaspora.net in due
course.

Our thanks to Maureen E. Mulvihill and to Robert G. Lowery...

Patrick O'Sullivan


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