5421 | 19 January 2005 10:05 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:05:12 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
The Irish drinking habits of 2002--a European comparative | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: The Irish drinking habits of 2002--a European comparative perspective MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Email Patrick O'Sullivan For information... This article has appeare in the databases - but does not yet seem to be assigned to a paper issue of the journal. P.O'S. Journal of Substance Use Publisher: Taylor & Francis Health Sciences, part of the Taylor & Francis Group Issue: prEview The Irish drinking habits of 2002--Drinking and drinking-related harm in a European comparative perspective Mats Ramstedt and Ann Hope A1 Centre for Social Research on Alcohol and Drugs (SoRAD) Stockholm University Sweden A2 National Alcohol Policy Advisor Department of Health and Children Dublin Ireland Abstract: Aims: To examine drinking habits and experiences of adverse consequences of drinking among men and women in Ireland 2002 and to compare some results with earlier European studies using similar data and methods. Methods: Data on self-reported drinking habits and experiences of alcohol-related problems were obtained from a general population survey undertaken in 2002. Two approaches were used: (1) cross-tabulations of drinking habits and the experience of adverse consequences in various demographic groups (2) logistic regressions predicting the likelihood of experiencing problems. Results: Self-reported alcohol consumption confirms statistics on alcohol sales; a lot of alcohol is consumed in Ireland today despite a large fraction of abstainers in the population. Binge drinking is very common, and, out of 100 drinking events, 58 end up in binge drinking for men and 30 for women. Irish drinkers also experience harmful drinking-related consequences to a larger extent than in other western European countries. Both volume of drinking and binge drinking affect the likelihood of experiencing most alcohol-related harms. Conclusions: Drinkers in Ireland drink more than in other western European countries and many have risky drinking habits that lead to adverse consequences. It will be an important challenge to find preventive measures that can reduce these problems in Ireland. Keywords: Drinking habits, alcohol-related problems, Ireland | |
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5422 | 19 January 2005 11:14 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:14:10 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: lryan[at]supanet.com Subject: Re: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) Hello, I am currently carrying out an oral history research project with Irish nurses to Britain (1940s-1960s). Two of my participants who migrated in the 1940s described the medical examinations they had to undergo in Dublin before they were allowed to travel to Britain. Does anyone know more about these examinations. I think they included x-rays for TB but also appear to have included de-lousing and a close inspection of clothing! I asked if the medical staff were Irish or English and the nurses thought they were a mixture of both. Obviously both of these women are remembering an event which occured over 60 years ago when they were 18 years old. So I would appreciate any further information about the administration of these medical checks, when they started and when they ended. One nurse told me they went on at least until 1949. Thanks, Louise -- Dr. Louise Ryan, Research Fellow, Social Policy Research Unit Middlesex University, l.ryan[at]mdx.ac.uk lryan[at]supanet.com | |
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5423 | 19 January 2005 11:40 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:40:33 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 2 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: W.F.Clarke[at]bton.ac.uk Subject: RE: [IR-D] Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) I can ask some people about this: some who would have come here to nurse in the 1950s. I have never heard of this but the x ray for TB perhaps rings true I will get back to you Very interested in what you are doing Liam Clarke Brighton Univ. -----Original Message----- From: lryan[at]supanet.com Subject: Re: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) Hello, I am currently carrying out an oral history research project with Irish nurses to Britain (1940s-1960s). Two of my participants who migrated in the 1940s described the medical examinations they had to undergo in Dublin before they were allowed to travel to Britain. Does anyone know more about these examinations. I think they included x-rays for TB but also appear to have included de-lousing and a close inspection of clothing! I asked if the medical staff were Irish or English and the nurses thought they were a mixture of both. Obviously both of these women are remembering an event which occured over 60 years ago when they were 18 years old. So I would appreciate any further information about the administration of these medical checks, when they started and when they ended. One nurse told me they went on at least until 1949. Thanks, Louise -- Dr. Louise Ryan, Research Fellow, Social Policy Research Unit Middlesex University, l.ryan[at]mdx.ac.uk lryan[at]supanet.com | |
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5424 | 19 January 2005 13:32 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:32:58 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 3 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Enda Delaney e.delaney[at]abdn.ac.uk Subject: RE: [IR-D] Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) Louise, This medical check (called the Health Embarkation Scheme) is described in the memoirs of James Deeny, To Cure and Care: Memoirs of A Chief Medical Officer (Dublin, Glendale Press, 1989). Deeney's account relates to 1944 but I suspect the check continued until at least the ending of restrictions on the emigration of Irish women in 1947. It was organised by the Irish authorities. You might also find material in the national survey on TB completed in the early 1950s (Tuberculosis in Ireland: Report of the National Tuberculosis Survey, (1950-53), submitted to the Medical Research Council of Ireland, 1954). Margaret Crawford, the medical historian based at QUB, is currently working on the TB survey (see her webpage http://www.qub.ac.uk/ssp/webpages/crawford.htm) Enda Delaney | |
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5425 | 19 January 2005 13:34 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:00 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 4 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject: Re: [IR-D] Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 2 From: Patrick Maume Dr. James Deeny's memoir TO CURE AND TO CARE includes a description of wartime disinfection measures for male migrants to Britain which included de-lousing & being hosed down with disinfectant in a public bath. (I think the rationale was that the British authorities were afraid that louse-borne diseases like typhus survived in some parts of Ireland.) Deeny (who was a pioneering health statistician & worked in the Department of Health) describes how he got the Secretary of the Department of Finance to increase funding for this programme by taking him to see the conditions under which it was being carried out. Best wishes, Patrick | |
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5426 | 19 January 2005 13:35 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:35:32 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Priests and sunglasses 7 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Priests and sunglasses 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject: Re: [IR-D] Priests and sunglasses 5 From: Patrick Maume An earlier example of the "imposed vocation" theme in Irish literature is T.C. Murray's play MAURICE HARTE (c.1912). Maurice is the younger son of a respectable farm family and has been brought up for the priesthood; his being at Maynooth is a source of great pride and social standing to his family. When he is at home for the holidays he tells his mother that he has realised he has no vocation & does not wish to go forward for ordination. (I am not sure if the turning-point he faces is actual ordination or ordination as subdeacon, which took place two years before ordination and involved binding vows of celibacy. The aura surrounding the "spoiled priest" may have been influenced by the fact that until the post-Vatican II changes seminarians were conferred with ascending grades of "minor orders" - doorkeeper, lector, acolyte, exorcist, subdeacon and deacon before final priestly ordination - at the end of each of their seven years of studies, so that someone who left after two or three years would already have acquired some of the characteristics of priesthood.) The mother replies by telling him of all the sacrifices the family has made for him & the shame his failure will bring on them before the neighbours, & pressurises him into staying on; he subsequently has a nervous breakdown and is brought home incurably insane. (I do not think he is actually ordained.) Best wishes, Patrick | |
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5427 | 19 January 2005 14:05 |
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:25 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 5 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: ultancowley[at]eircom.net Subject: Re: [IR-D] Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 2 Louise I quote several accounts of these medicals, by both male and female migrants, in The Men who built Britain (Chapter Six) and the citations will be found in the Notes. One source was a ( male) direct correspondent and I could make contact with him again if that would be helpful. This was a wartime measure instigated by the British authorities. The men were examined in The Globe Hotel, Talbot Street, and women in The Fitzwilliam ( don't know the address). The major emphasis seems to have been on de-lousing although, as one would expect, it is this aspect which sticks most vividly in their memories - perhaps at the expense of other less invasive procedures. These were the women's accounts: '...in this huge hall they put up screens the whole way round, and you went behind one screen and got naked. And they were only screens and you could see everything behind them. You went in and they made you raise up your arms, they looked under both arms and they looked in your hair and they looked in your private parts, and if anybody had vermin they were sent to the baths'. 'When we got to Dublin we were met there and taken to this hotel. I'll never forget that experience, it was terrible. They way they looked at you...we had to strip, take all our clothes off, and they lloked at evry bit of us, at our hair and everything, before they gave us a cup of tea even... I tell you, if I'd known what would happen, I wouldn't have ventured coming over here - I'd have stayed at home'. I don't know the nationality of the medical staff but at least two men remarked that one of the doctors seemed to be drunk! Ultan | |
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5428 | 20 January 2005 08:15 |
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:15:06 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 6 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Elizabeth Malcolm Subject: Medical Checks for Irish Migrants (1940s) Louise, Several people have mentioned James Deeny's autobiography, 'To Cure and to Care' (1989). He was chief medical advisor to the Dept. of Health in the mid 1940s and very involved in the preparation of the new health acts of the period and in campaigns against diseases like TB, typhoid, enteritis, etc. After his death in 1994, a collection of his articles, mainly produced for medical journals during the 1940s and 1950s, was published, edited by Tony Farmer: 'The End of an Epidemic' (Dublin: A.& A. Farmer, 1995). With regards to TB, Enda Delaney mentions the report of the national TB survey, 'Tuberculosis in Ireland' (Dublin, 1954). I have a copy and he is correct that that has a section on TB and migration. Greta Jones in her book '"Captain of all those men of death": the History of TB in 19th and 20th Century Ireland' (Amsterdam: Rodopi, 2001), also discusses concern in England during the 1940s and 1950s that Irish immigrants were responsible for spreading TB. Elizabeth Professor Elizabeth Malcolm Gerry Higgins Professor of Irish Studies Department of History University of Melbourne Parkville, Victoria AUSTRALIA, 3010 Tel: +61-3-8344 3924 Fax: +61-3-8344 7894 Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au Irish Studies Website: http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/irish/index.htm | |
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5429 | 20 January 2005 08:16 |
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:16:08 -0000
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CFP 2005 Ohio Valley History Conference, October, 2005 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: CFP 2005 Ohio Valley History Conference, October, 2005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William Mulligan Jr." To: Subject: Call for Papers CALL FOR PAPERS AND SESSION PROPOSALS The program committee for the 2005 Ohio Valley History Conference requests proposals for papers or complete sessions for the 2005 conference to be held at Murray State University, Murray, Kentucky, October 27 to 29, 2005. The conference is open to papers on any geographic area or time period or from any discipline that has a historical dimension. Paper proposals from graduate students and those outside academia, especially those in public history or public archeology, are invited. Proposals for complete sessions are especially welcome, but proposals for individual papers will receive full consideration. Individuals who would like to serve as session chairs or commentators are also invited to contact the program committee chair. Proposals may be submitted by email. Paper proposals should include a 250 word abstract of the proposed paper and a brief c.v. Be sure to include a contact address, preferably an email address. Session proposals should include abstracts for each paper and the name(s) of the chair, commentator, if known, and contact person. All proposals for papers or sessions should be submitted by APRIL 15, 2005. We will try to respond by the end of May. William H. Mulligan, Jr. OVHC Program Chair Dept. of History Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 Bill.mulligan[at]murraystate.edu | |
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5430 | 20 January 2005 11:34 |
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:34:20 -0000
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TOC ETUDES IRLANDAISES, VOL 29; PART 2; 2004 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: TOC ETUDES IRLANDAISES, VOL 29; PART 2; 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Email Patrick O'Sullivan For information... P.O'S. ETUDES IRLANDAISES VOL 29; PART 2; 2004 ISSN 0183-973X pp. 7-28 About Behaving Normally in Abnormal Circumstances: A Retrospect on My Writing So Far Fennell, D. pp. 29-42 Marges: de l'entre-deux au creusement Goarzin, A. pp. 43-58 Establishing Boundaries in the Irish American West Quintelli-Neary, M. pp. 59-74 Negotiating the Bi-Vocal Discourses of "Catholic" and "Protestant", "Nationalist" and "Loyalist": Irish Traveller Identity as "Third Space" Burke, M. pp. 75-90 Place, Noise, Nation: Towards a Spatial Analysis of Irish Popular Music Smyth, G. pp. 91-108 Regards sur les territoires en Republique d'Irlande Brillet, P. pp. 109-120 Entretien avec Christian Giriat: Dermot Bolger dramaturge des limbes Fierobe, C. pp. 121-134 Une eau fantastique: lecture de > de Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu Manara, F. pp. 135-150 Heart(h) and Home: Elizabeth Bowen's Irishness Summers-Bremner, E. pp. 151-164 Spatial Metaphors In Frank McGuinness's Gates Of Gold Lojek, H. pp. 165-186 Derry Is Donegal: Thresholds, Vectors, Limits In Seamus Deane's Reading In The Dark Herron, T. pp. 187-193 W.B. YEATS, Manuscript Materials, Cornell University Press Bonafous-Murat, C. p. 194 Bernard ESCARBELT & Claude FIEROBE eds., Les Francais sont dans la baie; L'expedition en baie de Bantry, 1796 De Wiel, J. A. p. 195 Kerby A. MILLER, Emigrants and Exiles: Ireland and the Irish Exodus to North America Gillissen, C. p. 195 Dermot P.J. WALSH, Bloody Sunday and the Rule of Law in Northern Ireland Mailhes, C. p. 196 Fintan O'TOOLE: After the Ball Guillaumond, J. p. 197 Rev. D. Vincent TWOMEY, SVD: The End of Irish Catholicism Guillaumond, J. p. 198 James Gordon FARRELL: L'Etreinte de Singapour Delattre, E. p. 199 Neil JORDAN, Shade Pernot-Deschamps, M. p. 199 Ciaran CARSON: The au trefle Delattre, E. p. 200 Melissa FEGAN: Literature and the Irish Famine 1845-1919 Fierobe, C. pp. 200-201 Victor SAGE: Le Fanu's Gothic; The Rhetoric of Darkness Girard, G. p. 202 Rudiger IMHOF, The Modern Irish Novel, Irish Novelists after 1945 Amiot, P. p. 202 Linden PEACH: The Contemporary Irish Novel: Critical Readings Mikowski, S. p. 203 Brian SINGLETON & Anna MCMULLAN eds, Performing Ireland Pelletier, M. pp. 204-204 Julia FURAY & Redmond O'HANLON eds.: Critical Moments. Fintan O'Toole on Modern Irish Theatre Pelletier, M. | |
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5431 | 20 January 2005 16:02 |
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:02:25 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 7 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: lryan[at]supanet.com Subject: Re: [IR-D] Medical checks for Irish migrants (1940s) 5 hello again and thanks for all your helpful responses and references. One of my respondents also mentioned the Globe Hotel, thanks Ultan. I am particularly interested to know if these measures were instigated by the British authorities though it seems from your responses that Irish medical staff actually carried out the examinations. I am assuming that entry into Britain was dependent upon a successful medical report. Thanks again, Louise -- Dr. Louise Ryan, Research Fellow, Social Policy Research Unit Middlesex University, l.ryan[at]mdx.ac.uk lryan[at]supanet.com | |
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5432 | 20 January 2005 20:55 |
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:55:43 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Mitchell and Kenyon collection | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Mitchell and Kenyon collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Film historians, and historians generally, have become very excited about the Mitchell and Kenyon collection - web sites and further information pasted in below... Michell and Kenyon toured Britain around 1905 filming working people - the ordinary people were the subject matter and the audience. The films were shown at fun fairs and the like, and people were amused to see themselves on the screen. The technical quality of the films is extraordinary - with wonderful depth of field. This is a whole new source of period photography. They would often put their camera on a tram, and film as they travelled through a city - so you get the smoothest possible dolly shot. They did some filming in Ireland - though I have not been able to establish quite where and when. I have seen one sequence on a tram in Belfast. You cannot help wondering if they might have been filming in Dublin on June 16 1904... P.O'S. Mitchell and Kenyon BFI http://www.bfi.org.uk/collections/mk/index.html Mitchell and Kenyon on BBC Two A three-part series about the Mitchell and Kenyon Collection, The Lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon, will be screened on BBC Two starting January 14 at 9pm. The series has been co-produced by the BBC and the bfi, and will bring this fascinating collection to perhaps its biggest audience yet. Guardian The lost world It is the film equivalent of the discovery of Tutankhamen's tomb - a century ago, two entrepreneurs toured Britain capturing working-class life on camera. Ian Jack reveals how their archive has been brought back to life Friday January 7, 2005 The Guardian http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1384840,00.html 'The Mitchell and Kenyon Collection consists of 800 non fiction titles produced between 1900 -1913 which has survived as nitrate negatives. The geographical spread of the material encompasses Lancashire, Yorkshire, the Midlands, Scotland, Ireland, the North East, Ireland and Bristol.' http://www.shef.ac.uk/nfa/mitchell_and_kenyon/index.php | |
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5433 | 24 January 2005 09:38 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:38:37 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Assistance to family historian | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Assistance to family historian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kerby Miller MillerK[at]missouri.edu Cc: Sean Kane Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!! Could Peter Hart, Patrick Maume, or others on the List please help Mr. Kane identify sources that may help him locate the information he seeks? Many thanks, Kerby Miller >Please bear with me for a moment. I am doing my families genealogy and >am looking for information in regards to my great-grandfather, John >Green Kane. In 1910 he lived in Philadelphia, and sometime between >then, I assume around 1914-1916 and 1924 he went to Ireland to help in >Ireland's fight for independence from England. My guess is he was a >member of the IRA. He was imprisoned there but eventually, my father >tells me he was given a pardon around 1922 and returned to the US. >Was there a widespread pardon around that time? >And secondly, any idea where I can find prisoner lists or ship logs >showing him departing or arriving in Ireland? >One other thing, can you offer any guidance on other avenues to >approach to find him during that time? > >Bear with me as I embarrasingly do not know much of the history of Ireland. > >Thank you for your anticipated cooperation, > >Sincerely, > >Sean M. Kane | |
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5434 | 24 January 2005 09:39 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:39:33 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Irish on US TV | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Irish on US TV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William Mulligan Jr." To: Subject: Irish Miners on US TV in 1971 While doing some web surfing for references to Irish miners, I came across this description of an episode of an old US television western. I wonder how many old TV shows are out there that dealt with the Diaspora in some way. Now to track down a 30-plus year old TV show. http://www.thehighchaparral.com/ep243.htm Bill Mulligan | |
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5435 | 24 January 2005 09:42 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:42:51 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 3 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William Mulligan Jr." To: Subject: RE: Southern Cross Guillermo MacLoughlin's post on the Southern Cross raises a question. He refers to it as the oldest Irish newspaper of the Diaspora. It certainly has been published for a long time, but as I do the math The Pilot, now the official paper of the archdiocese of Boston, would appear to be older. The Pilot certainly has an important place in the Diaspora as well. Does its status as a diocesan paper change its status? I don't know if it is worth debating what is the "first" newspaper of the Diaspora - although it might be worth discussing what constitutes a Diaspora publication and when and how they began in different areas of the Diaspora. Bill Mulligan | |
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5436 | 24 January 2005 10:05 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:05:57 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Assistance to family historian 2 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Assistance to family historian 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kerby, This is a slightly unusual family history query - in that there might actually be some formal historical interest here... But I think it worth saying that all of us who have any kind of public presence get a steady stream of requests from family historians and genealogists. So much so that I now have a 'Family History: Standard Reply', which I have posted on the web site, and which I send out to querists. Even when I go on to be helpful... I'll post that Standard Reply to IR-D for information and comment... One problem is that family history and genealogy is now a lucrative industry. And, from our side, there has got to be some limit to how much unpaid work we are expected to do. One of the reasons I track what is happening in the industry is that I suspect that there is a correlation between costs out there and queries received here. But I don't want to slam the door entirely. As my Standard Reply indicates. The work of the family historians is a very interesting diasporic phenomenon - and I recall here a number of discussions with Catherine Nash... http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/staff/nash.html http://www.ias.uwa.edu.au/activities_and_programs/programs_2000/papers_from_ the_july_workshop/catherine_nash In some of my own writings I haved noted the problems that some academic historians have with the family historians. And that is a subject I might return to. I do note that in Karen Corrigan's notes on a talk given by David Fitzpatrick about the AHRB Initiative (some IR-D members will have seen those notes) David is quoted as saying - amongst much sensible stuff - 'Indeed, there would be mileage in exploiting the recent boom in genealogy...' The actual notes say 'boon' but I think it must be 'boom'... Or David sees the boom as a boon... But I am not clear what is meant here - should we be aiming to get a slice of this lucrative industry, or should be we trying to get the family historians to work for US? Paddy -----Original Message----- From: Kerby Miller MillerK[at]missouri.edu Cc: Sean Kane Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!! Could Peter Hart, Patrick Maume, or others on the List please help Mr. Kane identify sources that may help him locate the information he seeks? Many thanks, Kerby Miller | |
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5437 | 24 January 2005 10:06 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:15 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Family History: Standard Reply | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Family History: Standard Reply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Email Patrick O'Sullivan For information and comment... P.O'S. -----Original Message----- This has become my Standard Reply to the many Family History/Genealogy queries that we receive... We are a small research unit, living from project to project. Indeed much of what we do is supported by my own freelance writing and research. We do try to support Irish Diaspora scholars throughout the world, and we do quite well there. But we do not have the resources to become involved in very fine detail of family history and genealogical enquiries. Family history is a very time-consuming and expensive process. Generally we find that the dedicated family historian is far better at it than we are, and knows far more about the detailed archive work required. If I am forced to give advice I suggest that the family historian with full web access look at Genuki and Rootsweb... Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com/ Both sites are full of advice, information and contact points. Genuki tends to be more useful as regards emigration from the British Isles, including Ireland and England. I guess you know all this already. You can often find someone who is already interested in the families or the areas that interest you, and you can share notes, or you come across a useful family history society. I am sorry I cannot be more helpful. I should put something on our web sites about all this. But I'm not sure what to say, quite. Because I do like to keep track of what is happening in Family History, as a part of the study of the Irish Diaspora. So, Irish Diaspora Studies does NOT equal Family History. But Irish Diaspora Studies is interested in the activities of Family Historians. Patrick O'Sullivan -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050 Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Studies http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/diaspora/ Irish Diaspora Net Archive http://www.irishdiaspora.net Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Social Sciences and Humanities University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire England | |
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5438 | 24 January 2005 10:24 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:24:26 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 4 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joan Allen Joan.Allen[at]newcastle.ac.uk] Subject: RE: [IR-D] Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 3 When was the Pilot first published? ________________________________ From: "William Mulligan Jr." To: Subject: RE: Southern Cross Guillermo MacLoughlin's post on the Southern Cross raises a question. He refers to it as the oldest Irish newspaper of the Diaspora. It certainly has been published for a long time, but as I do the math The Pilot, now the official paper of the archdiocese of Boston, would appear to be older. The Pilot certainly has an important place in the Diaspora as well. Does its status as a diocesan paper change its status? I don't know if it is worth debating what is the "first" newspaper of the Diaspora - although it might be worth discussing what constitutes a Diaspora publication and when and how they began in different areas of the Diaspora. Bill Mulligan | |
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5439 | 24 January 2005 10:49 |
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:49:24 -0000
Reply-To: Patrick O'Sullivan | |
Irish on US TV 2 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Irish on US TV 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Email Patrick O'Sullivan I do recall some mentions of the Irish in the Wagon Train series... And, indeed, a search of the web site turned up a number, including this one... Liam Fitzmorgan Story (ep. #2.5) 10/28/1958 Ordered by Ireland's Freedom Fighters to find the traitor who caused the execution of several of their followers, Liam joins the train. A group of Irish settlers already with the train become very distrustful of him. Cliff Robertson as Liam Fitzmorgan Audrey Dalton as Laura Grady Rhys Williams as James Grady David Leland, as Michael Dermoth Terrence De Marney, Sean Meany, Michael Rye There was in this a sort of shorthand version of Irish political violence, or terrorism, with wise advice from Robert Horton... Also noted Jose Maria Moran Story (ep. #2.34) 5/27/1959 Brian Conlin Story (ep. #8.6) 10/25/1964 5/30/1965 (rerun) There might be more... http://www.fiftiesweb.com/wt/wagon-train-ep.htm Paddy -----Original Message----- From: "William Mulligan Jr." To: Subject: Irish Miners on US TV in 1971 While doing some web surfing for references to Irish miners, I came across this description of an episode of an old US television western. I wonder how many old TV shows are out there that dealt with the Diaspora in some way. Now to track down a 30-plus year old TV show. http://www.thehighchaparral.com/ep243.htm Bill Mulligan | |
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:27:51 -0000
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject: Re: [IR-D] Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 4 From: Patrick Maume According to this local history website (dealing with its founder, the publisher Patrick Donahoe) the PILOT was founded in 1836 and has appeared consistently ever since. Even if its takeover by the Boston archdiocese in 1876 counts as a second founding, that still makes it older than the SOUTHERN CROSS. http://www.cornafean.com/Patrick%20Donahoe.htm Best wishes, Patrick > From: Joan Allen > Joan.Allen[at]newcastle.ac.uk] > Subject: RE: [IR-D] Journals, Irish Studies and Diaspora Studies 3 > > When was the Pilot first published? > > | |
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