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Hi Paddy:

I am presently writing up some material on the Ancient Order of Hibernians
organisations in Buffalo and Toronto in the early 20th century, and I am
wondering if any scholarly work has been done about the AOH in the US in
general that covers this time period. One personality who I am particularly
keen to know more about is the AOH national president in 1908, Matthew
Cummings of Boston, who gave a St. Patrick's Day speech in Toronto that
year, where he was introduced as the prime mover behind both (1) the removal
of the caricatured stage Irishman from American stages as well as (2) the
introduction of Irish history into Boston school texts.

I'd be grateful, as always, for any suggestions from anyone on the IR-D
list.

All the best,
Willie

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International Journal of Law and Psychiatry

Domestic violence and minoritisation: Legal and policy barriers facing
minoritized women leaving violent relationships

Erica Burmana, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The
Corresponding Author and Khatidja Chantlerb

aProfessor of Psychology, Manchester Metropolitan University, Department of
Psychology and Speech Pathology, Elizabeth Gaskell Campus, Hathersage Road,
Manchester M13 0JA, UK
bIndependent Researcher, Manchester Metropolitan University, Department of
Psychology and Speech Pathology, Elizabeth Gaskell Campus, Hathersage Road,
Manchester, UK

Available online 28 January 2005.


Abstract

This article on service responses to women of African, African-Caribbean,
Irish, Jewish and South Asian backgrounds facing domestic violence draws on
our recently completed study based in Manchester, UK (Batsleer et al., 2002)
[Batsteeler, J., Burman, E., Chantler, K., McIntosh, S.H., Pantling, K.,
Smailes, S., Warner, S., et al. 2002. Domestic violence minoritisation:
Supporting women to indepence. Women's Studies Centre: The Manchester
Metropolitan University]. We frame our analysis of domestic violence and
minoritisation around the question that is frequently posed in relation to
women living with domestic violence: 'why doesn't she leave?' In response,
we highlight the complex and intersecting connections between domestic
violence, law, mental health provision, entitlement to welfare services,
which function alongside constructions of 'culture' and cultural
identifications, structures of racism, class and gendered oppression. All
these contribute to maintain women, particularly minoritized women, in
violent relationships. Further, we illustrate how leaving violent
relationships does not necessarily guarantee the safety of women and
children escaping domestic violence.

Despite many recent legal and social policy initiatives in the UK that have
usefully brought domestic violence into the public domain, there have also
been counter-measures which have made leaving violent relationships
correspondingly more difficult, in particular for women from minoritized
communities. We offer an analysis of how state practices, particularly
facets of immigration law in the UK (although Bhattacharjee, 1997, provides
an equivalent U.S. analysis), interact with domestic violence. These not
only equip perpetrators with a powerful tool to oppress minoritized women
further, but it also indicates how state structures thereby come to impact
directly on women's distress (Chantler et al, 2001). In addition, we
highlight how other aspects of state policy and practice which enter into
the material well-being of survivors of domestic violence, for example,
housing, levels of state benefits, and child-care also pose significant
obstacles to minoritized women leaving violent relationships. Whilst women
from majority/dominant groups also face many of these barriers, we
illustrate how the racialized dimensions of such policies heightens their
exclusionary effects. It is argued that legal and psychological strategies
need to address the complexity of how public, state and institutional
practices intersect with racism, class and gender oppression in order to
develop more sensitive and accessible ways of supporting minoritized women
and children living with domestic violence.

Keywords: refuge provision, action research; racism, immigration,
culturally-sensitive services

Article Outline

1. Context and rationale for the study
2. Design and methodological issues
3. Beyond individualist explanations

3.1. The wider context

4. Immigration and no recourse to public funds
5. 'No recourse to public funds', racism, and refuge provision
6. Domestic violence, employment, and poverty
7. 'Once you leave you are safe'
8. The need for gender sensitive anti-racist analysis
9. Conclusions
Acknowledgements
References

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From: Patrick Maume
I believe there is a five-volume official history of the American AOH that
appeared in the 1920s & was reprinted a few years ago.
Cummings was much criticised by Irish Parliamentary Party supporters
because of his separatist sympathies - he blocked attempts to get the
American AOH to recognise Joseph Devlin's Redmondite Board of Erin AOH
(rather than the much smaller separatist Irish-American Alliance AOH) as the
Irish wing of the American body. I think he was actually a Clan na Gael
supporter though I'm not sure; perhaps Devoy's GAELIC AMERICAN might have
relevant material.
Best wishes,
Patrick

> From: William Jenkins
> wjenkins[at]yorku.ca
> Subject: Histories of the AOH in the US
>
> Hi Paddy:
>
> I am presently writing up some material on the Ancient Order of
> Hibernians organisations in Buffalo and Toronto in the early 20th
> century, and I am wondering if any scholarly work has been done about
> the AOH in the US in general that covers this time period. One
> personality who I am particularly keen to know more about is the AOH
> national president in 1908, Matthew Cummings of Boston, who gave a St.
> Patrick's Day speech in Toronto that year, where he was introduced as
> the prime mover behind both (1) the removal of the caricatured stage
> Irishman from American stages as well as (2) the introduction of Irish
history into Boston school texts.
>
> I'd be grateful, as always, for any suggestions from anyone on the
> IR-D list.
>
> All the best,
> Willie

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The 1908 Election of Matthew Cummings as AOH national president deepened
ideological fissures in the organization. In a closely fought contest, he
defeated ex-National President James E. Dolan, an advocate of achieving
Irish independence through parliamentary means. One year later, Cummings was
in Quebec for the Grosse-Ile commemoration. Standing on the base of the
Celtic Cross, he denounced "the government made famine." Cummings pressed
his audience of 8,000 to consider that "two millions of [their] kindred died
of starvation with sufficient food in the fields to feed five times the
population." He went on to accuse the English government and its accomplices
(British soldiers and landlords) of "standing between the Irish people and
the products of their land," and "sweeping the people from the land to die
on the roadside." Following the lead of Cummings, AOH national director
Major E.T. McCrystal, the only one to address his audience in Gaelic, drew a
connection between the famine years and the situation in Ireland in 1909:
"The land of our heritage is still being kept down and our race is under
oppression. But I say to you, as sure as we are here, as sure as the
monument is above our poor oppressed dead, our memory what the English did
to the Gael will not be let go and the day will come with God's grace and on
that day hence, some of us will be ready to strike a blow for Ireland in
their cause."

These speeches are cited in J.A. Jordan, The Grosse-Isle Tragedy and the
Monument to the Irish Fever Victims, 1847 (Quebec: The Telgraph Printing
Company, 1909). Correspondence between Jeremiah O'Gallagher (President of an
AOH Division in Quebec and organizer of the 1909 commemoration) and then AOH
national president John T. Keating is cited in Marianna O'Gallagher's
Grosse-Ile: Gateway to Canada. John O'Dea, History of the AOH and Ladies'
Auxiliary
(1923) and A.C. Hepburn, "The Ancient Order of Hibernians in Irish Politics,
1905-14," Cithara 10:2 (1971) might also prove useful.

All the best,
Colin McMahon

> > From: William Jenkins
> > wjenkins[at]yorku.ca
> > Subject: Histories of the AOH in the US
> >
> > Hi Paddy:
> >
> > I am presently writing up some material on the Ancient Order of
> > Hibernians organisations in Buffalo and Toronto in the early 20th
> > century, and I am wondering if any scholarly work has been done
> > about the AOH in the US in general that covers this time period.
> > One personality who I am particularly keen to know more about is the
> > AOH national president in 1908, Matthew Cummings of Boston, who gave a
St.
> > Patrick's Day speech in Toronto that year, where he was introduced
> > as the prime mover behind both (1) the removal of the caricatured
> > stage Irishman from American stages as well as (2) the introduction
> > of Irish
> history into Boston school texts.
> >
> > I'd be grateful, as always, for any suggestions from anyone on the
> > IR-D list.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Willie
>

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IRISH REVIEW -CORK-
NUMB 32; 2004
ISSN 0790-7850

pp. 1-22
Edward Said and the Cultural Intellectual at Century's End Cleary, J.

pp. 23-38
Culture and Democracy in Ireland
Dwan, D.

pp. 39-52
Theology, Habermas and Corporate Worship Garrigan, S.

pp. 53-68
Critical Contexts for the Irish Left
McAteer, M.

pp. 69-76
Wiles of the Wireless: Radio and Critical Discourse in Ireland Browne, H.

pp. 77-89
Crime and Justice: Willie Doherty and Chris Ofili Correia, A.

pp. 90-97
The Rich Confusion of Experience: Foster's Yeats Crotty, P.

pp. 98-104
The Legendary Robert Emmet and his Bicentennial Biographers Beiner, G.

pp. 109-110
Matthew Campbell (ed.): The Cambridge Companion to Contemporary Irish Poetry
Flynn, L.

pp. 111-113
Kerry Hardie: The Sky Didn't Fall
Clutterbuck, C.

pp. 114-116
Luke Gibbons: The Quiet Man; Cheryl Herr: The Field O Connell, D.

pp. 117-118
Joe Steve O Neachtain: Scread Mhaidne; Micheal O Conghaile: Seachran Jeaic
Sheain Johnny Fhrighil, R. N.

pp. 119-120
Thomas Keymer: Sterne, the Moderns, and the Novel Ross, I. C.

pp. 121-122
Paul O'Brien: Shelley & Revolutionary Ireland Haslett, M.

pp. 123-125
James Muldoon: Identity on the Medieval Irish Frontier: Degenerate
Englishmen, Wild Irishmen, Middle Nations Scully, D.

pp. 126-127
Janet Todd: Rebel Daughters: Ireland in Conflict 1798; Alan Hayes and Diane
Urquhart (eds.): Irish Women's History hogartaigh, M. O.

pp. 128-129
David Fitzpatrick: Harry Boland's Irish Revolution, 1887-1922; Marie
Coleman: County Longford and the Irish Revolution, 1910-1923 Hopkinson, M.

pp. 130-131
J.R. Hill (ed.): A New History of Ireland: VII Ireland 1921-84; Gabriel
Doherty & Dermot Keogh (eds.): De Valera's Irelands McMahon, D.

pp. 132-134
Richard English: Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA Rafter, K.

pp. 135-137
Richard Bourke: Peace in Ireland: The War of Ideas Farrington, C.

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This item, below, has fallen into our nets...

The Royal Irish academy's practice now is to make these Proceedings
available on its web site...

http://www.ria.ie/

Under publications, the area of most interest to IR-D members is
PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL IRISH ACADEMY - Section C
Archaeology, Celtic Studies, History, Linguistics, Literature

http://www.ria.ie/publications/journals/procci/2004/PC04/PC04.html

This article by Bric is listed, but the actual text is not yet available.

But other items of interest are available...

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PROCEEDINGS- ROYAL IRISH ACADEMY SECTION C ARCHAEOLOGY CELTIC STUDIES
HISTORY LINGUISTICS AND LITERATURE VOL 104; NUMB 4; 2004 ISSN 0035-8991

p. ALL
THE UNITED IRISHMEN, INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICANISM AND THE DEFINITION OF THE
POLITY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, 1791-1800 Bric, M. J.

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Friends and Colleagues--

For a few months Paddy and I have been discussing two ideas I threw out in
an email and this seems like a good time to bring others into the
discussion/debate. I'm not sure what side he'll take on this, we've gone
back and forth and there are pros and cons. This is the first of these two
ideas - the second (a major Diaspora Conference) will be in a second email
to help keep the two discussions (should any occur) separate. This post is
not fully developed - I'll wait and let the discussion go forward and
respond as seems appropriate.

THE IDEA: Journal of Irish Diaspora Studies

General Points
I am not firmly committed to either an on-line or a paper format, although
being something of a traditionalist, I would prefer a paper format deep in
my heart. I am also neutral on frequency -- an annual may be a better start
than any other format until there is a clear sense of how many articles are
out there. I've always thought the three issues a year format has a lot of
advantages over the four. One journal I started does well with two a year,
as do many others.

I am aware of the problems of starting a new journal and have done it.
While in grad school I served as subscription manager for the History of the
Family Newsletter that evolved into The Journal of Family History edited by
my mentor, Tamara Hareven, for many years. Learned a lot from that. From
1977-1982 I was co-editor of Working Papers from the Regional Economic
History Research Center, a forum for work in progress by Center fellows and
papers presented at our conferences - 20 issues appeared in the five year
period, each with at least three essays and most with more. Finally, while
at Central Michigan University I started the Michigan Historical Review and
had more than 2500 subscribers within the first year -- due to partnerships
I negotiated.
I say this so those of you who do not know me will not assume I don't know
what is involved in doing something like this and am just dreaming.
There are practical challenges to overcome, to be sure, but they can be
overcome. It may still be a bad idea - but not because I don't know what I
am talking about.

WHY?
1. A dedicated journal is in many ways a sign of the maturity of a field of
scholarship.
e.g. Irish Historical Studies, Journal of Negro History, Social
History, Journal of Social History, Annales, etc., etc.

2. The far-flung nature of the Diaspora studies really requires:

a.) a central focal point for its scholarship,

b.) a forum for comparative work,

c.) a place for review essays and other work that might not be appropriate
for journals focused on a single nation or Irish Studies generally, and

d.) the permanence for scholarship that a "journal of record" can provide

HOW?
1.) International Board of Advisory Editors, representing all areas of the
Diaspora; an editor and book review editor with clear procedures for
selecting same in the future -- who is going to "own" the journal? My
thought is a self-perpetuating board with term limits. This needs to be
Diaspora wide if it has any hope of working and it cannot be tied too
closely to one person or institution, if possible. Editors committed to
helping to make it work.

2.) Host Institution for Administrative Purposes

3.) Publisher to handle printing and fulfillment

4.) Active support of Diaspora scholars
This is crucial. Do others share my sense that this is something
the field needs and will benefit from? Are you -- and we here on the list
are the core who can make this happen -- willing to submit articles, review
submissions, review books (and get publishers to send your books) , and, the
hardest of all, lobby for library subscriptions as well as taking out a
personal subscription. Subscriptions are, of course, wonderful holiday gifts
and, if given to a library, tax deductible. Seriously, this is why I am
posting this - is anyone else
interested?

5.) Seed Money
When I started the Michigan Historical Review I got $11,000 seed
money from the university president who said at the time, and I will NEVER
forget this, "I've spent more money on dumber ideas" and $5,000 from a small
foundation headed by a board member of the library I directed at the time.
You could do a whole lot with $16,000 in 1985. It was real money. I'm not
sure about the president here at MSU in terms of support for this (I must
add that, I am sure he is our president ) and the foundation president,
sadly, is dead. I am sure if he were alive I could count on him. This
project will need to find (raise) funds to cover start up costs -- including
some release time or compensation for the editor so that he or she is not
overwhelmed. Of all the things required funding may be the toughest. I
know that. I am sure I could recruit a board -- and others on the list
probably could do so more easily. Murray State (or any university) could
serve as an administrative center, and there are publishers out there who
will add a journal on their terms. I know some I can talk to. All that is
pretty doable. IF there is a core of people who want it to happen.

SO -- comes the big question. Is creating a Journal of Irish Diaspora
Studies (however named) a good idea and worth pursuing?


Bill Mulligan

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA

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From: Murray, Edmundo
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I am looking for evidence of intentional misuse of Spanish language by
English-speakers of Irish origin. I was googled to the following
song-cum-video by Christy Moore:
http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/load.php?tno=246&fid=122&sty=2&act=1&mid=2
141902489
(be careful to copy the entire url - it takes some time to load the page).

The song "La Quince Brigada" (The Fifteenth Brigade) refers to the XV
international brigade in which fought Frank Ryan and his men.

I think "La Quince Brigada" may be of help, but it looks as if the lyrics in
this website (and others in the internet) were transcribed by someone, and
are maybe not the original ones published with the CD (?). If some Irish
music lover has the lyrics I would appreciate it very much if I can receive
a confirmation.

I stress that I'm looking for a copy of the lyrics that come with the CD,
not those in the internet that may have been transcribed from the sound
track. Thank you.

By the way, the story of a Church of Ireland pastor fighting side by side
with a Christian Brother looks interesting...
fifth verse...
Bob Hillard was a Church of Ireland pastor;
From Killarney across the Pyrenees ho came.
From Derry came a brave young Christian Brother.
Side by side they fought and died in Spain.

Edmundo Murray

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I like the idea and would be happy to lend my support.

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>SO -- comes the big question. Is creating a Journal of Irish Diaspora
>Studies (however named) a good idea and worth pursuing?
>
>
>Bill Mulligan
>
>William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
>Professor of History
>Murray State University
>Murray KY 42071-3341 USA
>
>

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I would say so Bill

Joe

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Studies (however named) a good idea and worth pursuing?


Bill Mulligan

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA

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Can anyone assist with this enquiry I have received

It is intended to result in a TV documentary

Joe



The proposal explores the tradition of tatie hoking in Scotland and features
in particular a now retired priest who became chaplain to the hokers in the
60's. He wrote a major report in 1971 highlighting the poor working
conditions of the workers. The report gained huge momentum and was
instrumental in having their conditions changed.

The priest himself was based in East Lothian at the time, but the report
itself obviously changed conditions for all the workers in Scotland.

What I need to find out is if there are any Irish tatie hokers who were
around at that time and who have remained in Scotland and would be prepared
to talk about those times.

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an excellent idea - go for it
Brenda



> From: "William Mulligan Jr."
> To:
> Subject: 'Tis Only an Irishman's Dream, perhaps - Journal of Irish
> Diaspora Studies (LONG)
>
> SO -- comes the big question. Is creating a Journal of Irish Diaspora
> Studies (however named) a good idea and worth pursuing?
>
>
> Bill Mulligan
>
> William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
> Professor of History
> Murray State University
> Murray KY 42071-3341 USA
>

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Proposal for for such a journal worth considering.

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From: Rogers, James
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Having been present at the creation of New Hibernia Review, which launched
eight years ago next week, I'd be happy to chime in (off-list) with my own
thoughts and pontifications and jeremiads in this regard. Let me say though
that think it's an idea with a great deal to commend it.

I also think that Diaspora Studies ought to be included among the
disciplinary representatives on the ACIS executive board, and hope to make
that argument at Notre Dame.

Jim Rogers

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Yes _ very much so. I'd be happy to do what I could to get this off the
ground.


Kind Regards,

jim



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I wonder if it would help discussion here on IR-D if I list some of the
points that arose in the earlier discussions between Bill Mulligan and
myself...

There are some problems and background issues, which I am sure everyone
already knows about - but we might as well put them on the record...

1.
Practicalities...

The old system, whereby work on scholarly journals and the work of
distribution were in effect subsidised by the academic institutions and by
the day job - that seems gone or going... Things may be a bit easier still
in the USA or Canada.

The Irish Studies Review team - at Bath Spa University College, England -
were just wearied by the whole thing. Design, printers, stuffing stuff into
envelopes, mailing... And in the end they just gave the journal to the
Carfax company. I am supposed to be on the Committee of ISR, but the
editors did not ask the Committee for advice or permission. I am not sure
the Committee could have said much - thou shalt continue to do this unpaid
manual work, in the service of editorial integrity?

As it is, they seem to have editorial integrity, quite a good journal, with
online presence and distribution as well as a paper version. The paper
version is still distributed to all BAIS members.

I don't know the details of their deal with Carfax.
http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/carfax/09670882.html

Carfax is now part of the Taylor & Francis group, and the Ingenta system -
and they are always looking for new journals.
http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/publish.html

I do note that very few groups regularly make money out of publishing on the
web - the pornographers and the publishers of academic journals. The
publishers of academic journals, in effect, get their raw material for
free...

(I now have severe problems with the contracts offered by Carfax, etc...
They want writers to sign away copyright. This is a kind of lawyer's
laziness - and a major problem if you are active in a number of mediums, as
I am. Because everyone's lawyers want you to sign away copyright - but you
cannot get a project up and running unless you can assure the latest set of
lawyers that you have copyright.)

I note that the New Hibernia Review are reaching a significant anniversary
with their journal. Congratulations. And now have an online presence with
the Muse system.

But if we go down the paper route I cannot think that is a good use of time
to handle huge mailshots.

I don't know the journal Eire-Ireland well. But they have the support and
the good offices of the IACI.

The other paper journal that is relevant is Khachig Tololyan's Diaspora.
Katch is a great guy, the journal's key essays are for ever cited - but I
have an impression that the thing is slowly grinding to a halt. (A lot of
these one man band scholarly journals seem to be grinding to a halt... See
above, workloads...)

The web route is perhaps easier - if you have the skills, back-up and
support.

But already trying this is Bettina Arnold with e-Keltoi
http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/index.html

Bettina IS getting some workload support from her institution. And Bettina
is happy to publish Diaspora stuff. One of her 'Volumes' is labelled
'Diaspora' - though it does not seem to have anything in it as yet.

The Irish Studies Review team are happy to publish Diaspora stuff - I have
sent some their way. Including contacts via Ir-D. As are, I think, NHR -
Charles Orser has published there - and I've just done 2 things for them.
Katch Tololyan will occasionally publish Irish Diaspora stuff - and I can
lean on him...


2.
Ghetto/Marginalisation

This connects up with an issue that is around for Irish Studies (less so for
the literature, maybe) and certainly for Irish Diaspora Studies.

The use of the word 'ghetto' is perhaps inappropriate - but it is used.
Within academia the Irish are curiously marginalised - even in areas where
you might think the Irish experience is central, and the study of the Irish
experience has much to offer.

Kevin Kenny clearly scored something of a coup in getting his Special Essay
into the Journal of American History. And the Essay itself analyses the
background to this - in effect showing why having the Essay appear in the
JAH is a coup. And making the Irish central.

Pat Bracken, here, had a similar coup with his article on the 'Irish
dimension', 1998, in the British Journal of Psychiatry. This, and the work
of others, meant that the government's advisors on ethnicity and mental
health simply could not ignore the Irish.

I know the situation in Britain and in Ireland a bit better. The main
funders of arts/humanities and social science research in Britain are the
AHRB and the ESRC. 'Irish' subject matter had a long history of getting
nowhere with these funders. The knock-on effects are obvious - on academic
careers, for example. Do not study the Irish if you want an easy road to
funding. Plus a history of really poorly-funded research on the Irish in
Britain.

Were Irish specialists just bad at writing applications? I finally coaxed
an explanation out of a tight-lipped ESRC official - for whom I had done
some favours. Irish applications were simply not getting past peer review -
the Irish were not on the research agenda. And our 'peers' did not want us
on the agenda. (And here there are connections with all the 'race', skin
colour issues.) SO... Here we solemnly set out to turn up at conferences
and symposiums, and put the Irish on the agenda. It took years. And we
were not welcome.

(And... The people who DID welcome us were the members of other
diasporas/ethnic groups. There was an interest in what we were doing and a
perception - rightly or wrongly - that the Irish were 'ahead of the
game...')

But... The ESRC has recently funded major Irish projects - one for Bronwen
Walter, one, on Orangeism, for Don MacRaild. Kevin, Pat, Bronwen and Don
are all members of the Irish-Diaspora list. We have just seen a big AHRB
grant to Tom Devine, Enda Delaney and colleagues at Aberdeen.

So... One worry has to be that a SEPARATE journal for Irish Diaspora
Studies will to some extent negate all this work attempting to bring the
Irish from the margins to the centre of academic discourses...


3.
Markets

I am approached regularly by would-be entrepreneurs and researchers - some
from very big firms, wanting me to do their research for them, for free -
wanting figures about the size of the Irish Diaspora. I now have a standard
reply about the 2 figures that are for ever bandied about - 40 or 44 million
in USA, and 70 million world wide. These figures - however created -
certainly do not constitute a unitary market.

As a sub-section to all of this you have to wonder how much interest there
genuinely is in the scholarly study of the Irish Diaspora?

I note the appaling lack of interest in Daryl Adair/Mike Cronin's study of
St. Patrick's Day.

The current membership of the Irish-Diaspora list hovers around 200. I
could let it rise, and perhaps will do now that we have the technologies
sorted. But that 200 is certainly a considerable proportion of the number
of people in the WORLD interested in scholarly Irish Diaspora Studies. What
proportion? Half? - well I could list about another 100, 200 people, maybe.
A quarter? If we say that our 200 is one fifth of the world's Irish
Diaspora Studies community - that still gives you only 1000 in the world.

The academic libraries are junking journals. If you went the paper route
you would really need to look hard at markets and costs.

4.
On the other hand...

On the other hand, it would be nice, wouldn't it? Somewhere where we were
published as of right - instead of constantly coaxing, and appealing, and
jumping hurdles. Also, somewhere where we could publish our FAQs - see
above. And - with a well thought out editorial policy - welcome other
peoples and diasporas.

Some of these issues have been looked at in my article in New Hibernia
Review.

Hope helps.

Paddy


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From: Gerard Moran
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There are still a number of season migrants who worked in Scoltalnd alive in
Achill. Can put you in touch with a local historian in Westport who can put
you in contact the people in Achill. The person to contact regarding the
report is Anne O'Dowd who is now director of the National Museum of Country
Life, Turlough House, Castlebar, Co.
Mayo.

Gerard Moran,
European School,
Uccle,
Brussels


> From: Joe Bradley
> j.m.bradley[at]stir.ac.uk
>
> Can anyone assist with this enquiry I have received
>
> It is intended to result in a TV documentary
>
> Joe
>
> The proposal explores the tradition of tatie hoking in Scotland and
features
> in particular a now retired priest who became chaplain to the hokers in
the
> 60's. He wrote a major report in 1971 highlighting the poor working
> conditions of the workers. The report gained huge momentum and was
> instrumental in having their conditions changed.
>
> The priest himself was based in East Lothian at the time, but the report
> itself obviously changed conditions for all the workers in Scotland.
>
> What I need to find out is if there are any Irish tatie hokers who were
> around at that time and who have remained in Scotland and would be
prepared
> to talk about those times.
>

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Regarding the reference to "tatie hoking." I've seen the second word both
as "hoking" and "hooking." I've even seen an explanation that "hooking"
comes from the Galway hookers on which the workers sailed. Of that
explanation I am suspicious. What is the correct word, or is either ok? If
"hoking" is the proper or more ancient, what is its derivation?

Thanks.

Tom

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There are numbers of veteran tattie howkers still alive on Arranmore Island,
Co. Donegal, and a reunion trip to Scotland was organised for 400 of them
(which included vets. from Achill also) by Hugh Rodgers of Arranmore Island
in 2003. They were joined in Scotland by others from Edinburgh and Glasgow.


I believe a visit by Achill vets. to Arranmore was also scheduled for
September 2004 but I don't know whether it transpired.

Hugh can be contacted on 00 353 (0)7495 20925. He is I think manager of the
local Farmer's Coop ( as Brendan Behan used to say, ('Tell him you're a
friend of the corpse, and ask for Lulu').

Ultan Cowley

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From: Dymphna.Lonergan[at]flinders.edu.au
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My daughter who has learned Spanish is confused by the Irish group U2s
Spanish in their latest release. Apparently instead of singing the =
Spanish
equivalent of one, two three, four, they sing one, two three, fourteen. =
I
presume this is intentional and so I pass it on in case it related to =
Viva
la Quince Brigada.

Sl=E1n

Dymphna

Go raibh t=FA daibhir i m=ED-=E1idh/May you be poor in ill-luck Agus =
saibhir i
mbeannachta=ED/rich in blessings Go mall ag d=E9anamh namhaid/slow to =
make
enemies go luath ag d=E9anamh carad/quick to make friends


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