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Another good idea would be to erect statues of the Argentine Navy's
victims in 1976-1983. Among several thousands to choose from, I suggest
the Irish-Argentine Pallotine priests killed by a death squad led by
Navy Lieutenant Antonio Pernias (4 July 1976 at San Patricio church in
Belgrano, Buenos Aires). And Dr. Eduardo O'Neill, nephew of the director
of The Southern Cross Kevin O'Neill and "desaparecido" on 9 September
1977. And Gloria Keogh, kidnapped on 15 June 1978 in her apartment,
tortured and "desaparecida". And writer Rodolfo Walsh, who was murdered
by a military death squad and whose dead body was taken to the notorious
Navy Mechanics' School (ESMA) and never seen again.

I have tried to post here the news of the Argentine president paying
homage to these victims in Rome last week, but I have been told by the
moderator that the subject was not appropriate. So I could not check if
there is anyone else interested in the reactions and counter-reactions
of the Irish in Argentina during that period, and perhaps comparing
similar experiences of conflict among the Irish in and outside Ireland.

If this is not an appropriate discussion for the IR-D list, it would be
convenient to have a list of Appropriate Topics beforehand instead of
wasting our time with non-canonical subjects.

Edmundo Murray

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From: ultancowley[at]eircom.net
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Argentina to honour its Irish-born hero with docks
statue, Dublin


Carmel
Thats great news - for the Argentinians! Its a pity that there is
no evidence of a desire on anyone's part to erect a statue at Dublin
Docks (specifically, at the old B&I site at the North Wall) to
commemorate the many thousands of migrant labourers who left from there
for Britain.

There is of course a tableau nearby to the Famine emigrants but their
fate is considered sanctified by its involuntary nature and by British
oppression whereas that of post-Independence emigrants is down to
ourselves and therefore an embarrassment.

Ultan


(Moderator's note: I have received a couple of emails, wanting to note
the previous unhappy history of the Argentinian navy, and seeing events
in Dublin, and in Foxford, as part of the navy's attempts to
rehabilitate itself. I have decided that that is not an appropriate
discussion for the IR-D list. But let it be noted. P.O'S.)

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From: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Argentina to honour its Irish-born hero with docks
statue, Dublin 2

From: Patrick Maume
In relation to the politics of the statue, it might be worth recalling
(purely as a historical detail and without any intention of making a
political point for or against anyone) that during the Falklands War (i.e.
before the Argentines lost) the Wolfe Tones [republican folk group] released
a ballad about Admiral Browne. (The chorus went "You would turn in your
grave/See the Irish are still slaves/ While Britannia rules no waves in
Argentina". I've never actually heard it but I remember it being mentioned
in newspaper coverage at the time.
Best wishes,
Patrick


> From: ultancowley[at]eircom.net
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] Argentina to honour its Irish-born hero with docks
> statue, Dublin
>
>
> Carmel
> Thats great news - for the Argentinians! Its a pity that there
> is no evidence of a desire on anyone's part to erect a statue at
> Dublin Docks (specifically, at the old B&I site at the North Wall) to
> commemorate the many thousands of migrant labourers who left from there
for Britain.
>
> There is of course a tableau nearby to the Famine emigrants but their
> fate is considered sanctified by its involuntary nature and by British
> oppression whereas that of post-Independence emigrants is down to
> ourselves and therefore an embarrassment.
>
> Ultan
>

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Come to think of it, while at the excellent recent ACIS conference at Notre
Dame, I was told that (american football? basketball?) games played
between ND and Boston College were referred to by the former as 'The
Catholics versus the Jesuits'.

Peter Hart

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From: P.Maume[at]Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Celtic, Rangers, Ireland and sectarian conflict in
today's Scotland 4

From; Patrick Maume
Anyone know when Celtic fans started calling their Rangers rivals "Huns"?
My understanding is that the phrase as a nickname for Germans derives from
the beginning of the last century, when Kaiser Wilhelm II gave one of his
famously indiscreet speeches to German troops leaving to suppress the Boxers
in China, urging them to follow the heroic example of
Attila and his Huns in striking terror into their enemies.
(Apparently Attila is portrayed in mediaeval German literature as a great
and noble monarch, rather than the destructive barbarian of Classical
sources; hence the Kaiser did not realise that his speech would create quite
a different impression among non-German readers.) Given the pro-German
stance of many Irish nationalists during the First World War, why didn't the
Rangers supporters end up calling Celtic "Huns"
rather than vice versa?
Best wishes,
Patrick

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'Sectarian'? - now that really opens up the discussion
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It is also interesting that Manchester Utd became increasingly identified as
an Irish Catholic team after the second world war. This was partly due to
the messianic managership of Sir Matt Busby (who was a devout Catholic), and
it was apparently common to see priests at Old Trafford in thr 50s and 60s.
Nobby Stiles, a renowned Utd player from the Busby stable, famously (and
perhaps apocryphally) went to confession on the saturday morning of the '66
world cup final because he had eaten steak at a banquet with England
colleagues on the previous day.

It is revealing too that Morrissey (of Smiths fame) is a vocal United fan.
And it was thought remarkable that the Gallagher brothers of Oasis should
support City.

Can anyone else throw any light on these (supposed) sectarian affiliations?

Dan Jackson
University of Northumbria

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From: Sarah Morgan
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Paddy,

many thanks for alerting us to the change in how IR-D is now managed. It
seems much simpler to do it that way.

you may or may not want to distribute this - it will depend on how many
other hotmail users you have on the list.

The change in managing irish-diaspora means that hotmailers who haven't set
up the irish-diaspora list as a 'mailing list address' should now do so in
order to prevent mail being placed into their junk mail folder.

This is pretty easy from the web-based version of hotmail. Click on options
to go to the options page. On the left hand of the page, click on the mail
icon and then click junk email protection. Click on mailing lists and then
type the ir-d address into the text box, click OK. This will mean that IR-D
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There is a Man U shop in Dublin and also at Dublin Airport. My teenage
nephew who lives in Dublin is a very dedicated fan of Man U. This has
much more to do with the nature of the team and the amount of publicity
that they put out. They are a "glamour" team and have been winners for
so long that the young are drawn to them. They have an excellent PR
machine. On the other hand there was never that much support for them
in Ireland during my generation's time in spite of the "Catholic"
connection. Irish football fans chose other teams. My brothers and
cousins followed the English league each week but supported other
teams. This Man U craze has happened within the past 20 years or so it
seems to me.

Carmel

M.A.Ruff wrote:

All I know is that Manchester United have a dedicated shop in
Limerick. Possibly in other Irish cities?
Cheers
Moira

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'Sectarian'? - now that really opens up the discussion

Joe

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It is also interesting that Manchester Utd became increasingly
identified as an Irish Catholic team after the second world war. This
was partly due to the messianic managership of Sir Matt Busby
(who was
a devout Catholic), and it was apparently common to see priests at Old
Trafford in thr 50s and 60s. Nobby Stiles, a renowned Utd player from
the Busby stable, famously (and perhaps apocryphally) went to
confession on the saturday morning of the '66 world cup final because
he had eaten steak at a banquet with England colleagues on the
previous day.

It is revealing too that Morrissey (of Smiths fame) is a vocal United
fan. And it was thought remarkable that the Gallagher brothers of
Oasis should support City.

Can anyone else throw any light on these (supposed) sectarian
affiliations?

Dan Jackson
University of Northumbria

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All I know is that Manchester United have a dedicated shop in
Limerick. Possibly in other Irish cities?
Cheers
Moira

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It is also interesting that Manchester Utd became increasingly
identified as an Irish Catholic team after the second world war. This
was partly due to the messianic managership of Sir Matt Busby
(who was
a devout Catholic), and it was apparently common to see priests at Old
Trafford in thr 50s and 60s. Nobby Stiles, a renowned Utd player from
the Busby stable, famously (and perhaps apocryphally) went to
confession on the saturday morning of the '66 world cup final because
he had eaten steak at a banquet with England colleagues on the
previous day.

It is revealing too that Morrissey (of Smiths fame) is a vocal United
fan. And it was thought remarkable that the Gallagher brothers of
Oasis should support City.

Can anyone else throw any light on these (supposed) sectarian
affiliations?

Dan Jackson
University of Northumbria

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Email Patrick O'Sullivan

The February 2005 issue of the journal The European Legacy, 10 (1) (February
2005), was an Irish issue, edited by Timothy J. White of Xavier University,
whose name will be known to ACIS members.

TOC pasted in below...

It should be possible to access the Abstracts at the journal's web site...

http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/10848770.asp

But I'll send on to IR-D the most relevant Abstracts, in the usual way...

P.O'S.


The European Legacy
Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group
Issue: Volume 10, Number 1 / February 2005

Introduction1 pp. 1 - 3
Timothy J. White

Antiquarianism and abduction: charles vallancey as harbinger of
indo-european linguistics pp. 5 - 20
Joseph Lennon

Sydney owenson's wild indian girl pp. 21 - 28
Maureen O'Connor

Politics in the irish free state: the legacy of a conservative revolution
pp. 29 - 39
Olivier Coquelin

Religion, politics and socio-cultural change in twentieth-century ireland
pp. 41 - 54
Louise Fuller

Building communities in a post-conflict society: churches and peace-building
initiatives in northern ireland since 1994 pp. 55 - 68
Maria Power

Beckett and the daunting problems of modern research pp. 69 - 72
Armand E. Singer

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We have received the following message from the AHRC...

Do note that the new name and initials - important when you are =
connecting
with older Ir-D messages. Established in April 2005 the Arts and =
Humanities
Research Council (AHRC) has an annual budget of more than =A375 million. =
The
Council evolved from the Arts and Humanities Research Board (AHRB), =
which
was founded in 1998.

The AHRC is the main funder of the highest quality research and =
postgraduate
training in the arts and humanities. The AHRC now launches its =
Diasporas,
Migration and Identities Programme. This =A35.5 million =
trans-disciplinary
programme will run for five years until the end of 2009.

People who were contacting me for advice... Note that the Reports on =
the 4
preparatory Seminars have now re-appeared on this revamped AHRC web =
site...
www.ahrc.ac.uk/dmi.=20

P.O'S.
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From: Jennifer WOODWARD [mailto:j.woodward[at]ahrc.ac.uk]=20
Sent: 28 April 2005 11:47
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Subject: AHRC Diasporas, Migration and Identities - Launch Announcement

Dear colleague,

Thank you for your continued interest in the AHRC Diasporas, Migration =
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Identities Programme.

We are now pleased to announce the launch of the programme. Further =
details,
including the Programme Specification and timetable are now available on =
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The calls for workshop and network grants and small research grants will =
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to download from the website.

Best wishes,

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Subject: Sectarianism and soccer: the Liverpool experience
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When I was teaching at Liverpool University, it never ceased to amaze me =
how
many Irish students held the belief that a sectarian divide existed betwe=
en the
city's 2 clubs, Everton being seen as the 'catholic' club and Liverpool a=
s the
'protestant' one. This is simply wrong. But the history of the 2 sides
illustrates the unique way in which the city came to manage its sectarian
legacy over the last 100 years.

Everton emerged from a Methodist youth side based in St Domingo's parish
overlooking the city. The parish itself was and remains something of an O=
range
ghetto, and I know older Liverpool catholics who today would walk around =
rather
than through the area because of its hard core sectarian associations.
Both clubs have their grounds in what were once traditionally Protestant =
areas
of the city.

When it subsequently transformed into Everton FC, the club rented its gro=
und,
Anfield, now the home of Liverpool FC, from its founder John Houlding a =
pub
landlord, landowner and later Lord Mayor of the city. Rumour has it that =
he was
active in Orange circles but I've never seen any hard evidence of this. W=
hen
Houlding fell out with Everton's board they moved the club across Stanley=
Park
and Houlding went on to found Liverpool FC recruiting an Irishman John Mc=
Kenna
to manage the side. McKenna went to scotland to recruit players and for a=
while
Liverpool was known as the 'team of the Macs'. I was once told that Hould=
ing
was forced out because the church elders didn't approve of the players dr=
inking
in his pub, The Sandon, across from the ground. The truth of matter is th=
at
they weren't prepared to pay him the rent he was asking for using the gro=
und.

With regard to sectarian associations, I have stood on the Kop at Liverpo=
ol
alongside Liverpool Orangemen waving Ulster flags a few feet from other
supporters with Tricolours. I wonder now how the former feel about the ad=
option
of 'The Fields of Athenry' (retitled the Fields of Liverpool/Anfield)as o=
ne of
the popular songs on the terraces. To paraphrase Bill Shankly, this is
Liverpool Football Club, it's more important than life or death or mere
sectarianism.

There is a point to all this though. What makes Liverpool different from =
other
cities in Britain when it comes to sectarianism is that unlike Glasgow or
Manchester, the sheer numbers of irish people there gave them a kind of
cultural, if not political, hegemony over the city. The city returned an =
Irish
National Party MP for about 40 years and the same party held the balance =
of
power on the city council until sometime after WWII. The local regiment,=
the
King's Liverpool, was classed as an Irish regiment and, I'm told, was co=
nfined
to barracks during the Easter Rising.

The sheer weight of numbers meant it was impossible to ghettoise the Iris=
h in
the city and different ways of managing their presence there had to be ad=
opted
(Frank Neale has written some very good stuff on this, by the way). A lot=
of
concessions had to be made and when it came to football, there was no nee=
d to
found a separate club for catholics since by the end of the 19th Century =
in some
areas bordering Anfield and Goodison, the majority population would have =
been
Irish or Irish descent and they would have furnished a significant propor=
tion
of the fan base for both clubs.

Liverpool the city is the product of an Irish Catholic hegemony not found
elsewhere in Britain. To borrow from Woody Allen, 'all scousers are Irish=
until
proven otherwise' or as a Scottish friend of mine once remarked 'Even the
protestants are catholic in this city'

This is not to say that sectarianism is no longer part of the life of the=
city.
It still colours certain areas of life and attitudes in the city, but eve=
n in
my lifetime its importance or even visibility has declined immensely, tod=
ay
most people there would see themselves as Scousers first and foremost and
religious and ethnic factors would be secondary to that. And for native
Liverpool FC supporters, the team would push the city in to second place,=
I
would say.

Anyway, there's a topic for a bright graduate ' How football in Liverpool
escaped the blight of sectarianism'.


Best regards
Liam



--
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Department of Sociology
Trinity College Dublin

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There may be Irish words used in English-language novels, but one you
certainly have no trouble finding novels in American English in which
writers use Yiddish words. How one interprets their use is a matter of
perspective. The use is often clearly appropriate given the social context
in which the words are employed. Sometimes it may just reflect American
English's voracity for absorbing "foreign" words (in clear distinction to
French attitudes). Yiddish, of course, is not the only language; Italian
and Spanish as well as others come to mind. Likewise, novels are not the
only medium. Television shows sometimes use them.

Tom

Thomas J. Archdeacon
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U. Wisconsin -- Madison
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Look no further than Joyce!

Liam Clarke wrote:

>Dear List
>
>Does anyone know of a novel(s) written in English but where Gaelic words or
>phrases are used/interspersed in it?
>
>I am trying to defend an African writers's use of Swahili/Kikuyu sayings in
>his english written novel which some western critics seek to depict as
>aggressive towards western literature!
>
>Any help is appreciated
>
>
>Liam Clarke
>
>.
>
>
>

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2005
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Dear IR-D members,=20

We are happy to announce the posting of new contents to the web site of =
the Irish Argentine Historical Society:=20
www.irishargentine.org =20

- 1875 - 9 June - 2005: Death Anniversary of Thomas St. George Armstrong
- Images of the Camp People: Irish Life in San Pedro, 1875-2005
- A Cork Harbour Pilot in Bah=EDa Blanca, by Edward Walsh
- The Manuscripts and Rare Books Collection at University of San =
Andr=E9s library in Buenos Aires


Contact information:
Edmundo Murray=20
The Irish Argentine Historical Society=20
edmundo.murray[at]irishargentine.org
www.irishargentine.org =20

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I would be grateful if IR-D members would actually read the Be Alert
messages below...

In particular do note the piece about Acknowledgements.

If you send a message to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK you will NOT receive a copy of
your own message as distributed - UNLESS you have instructed JISCMAIL to
send you a copy of the distributed message.

This is under your control.

If you are really stuck, contact me. But I would prefer not to have to take
on this task for all of the some 200 IR-D members.

Also, would people please tidy up messages before sending them to
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK. All this Disclaimer clutter and advertisements - under
the old system all this I would have cleaned out before sending the message
on to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK. Do likewise.

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Subject: [IR-D] Using Our IR-D email address - Be Alert 2

Email Patrick O'Sullivan

At the risk of over-taxing brains...

Further to my Be Alert message, below...

There are some consequences to our decision to simply click the OK button
when members send messages to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Heretofore I have tried to protect IR-D members from these consequences,
which are a bit silly.

1.
Acknowledgements

There is another vagary of the Jiscmail version of Listserv...

Acknowledgements of emails sent to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK is under the control
of each INDIVIDUAL IR-D member.

There is no way I can sort this out, globally, for everyone, once and for
all. It has to be done one at a time.

In your individual section in Jiscmail there is an Acknowledgements section
- which gives 3 options...

No acknowledgements [NOACK NOREPRO]
Short message confirming receipt [ACK NOREPRO] Receive copy of own postings
[NOACK REPRO]

The default is Number 2, which means that if you send a message to
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK you will get a short message confirming receipt, but you
will NOT get the message that is distributed via IR-D.

I think most people will want Number 3...
Receive copy of own postings [NOACK REPRO]

I will send out again the message about accessing your individual section in
Jiscmail.

Obviously, if anyone is really stuck, contact me.

2.
When you correctly hit REPLY and send a further message to
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, the resulting distributed message has a SUBJECT line
which takes the form
Re: [IR-D] Caid football
to give a recent example...

This means that our little 'flag' [IR-D] is NOT at the beginning of the
line. Which is annoying for people who have been using this as an
organising device. And it is possible to imagine circumstances where this
might cause confusion.

3.
So, do Be Alert. Send messages to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK when, and only when,
you mean to send messages to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK.

But this is a moderated list and stuff must be approved before it can get
through.

Paddy


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Email Patrick O'Sullivan

Whilst Bill Mulligan was looking after the IR-D list in my absence - and
thank you, Bill - we set things up so that, in order to OK a message, he
simply had to click on the OK button. Because to ask him to do more would
have been to ask too much...

And whilst I was unwell, I did the same thing. When messages came in to
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK I simply clicked OK.

Just giving myself fewer chores...

BUT the Jiscmail version of Listserv is so configured as to give the email
address of the original sender in the FROM line, in this form...

The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK]; on behalf of; William
Mulligan Jr. [billmulligan[at]MURRAY-KY.NET] or The Irish Diaspora Studies List
[IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK]; on behalf of; Kerby Miller [MillerK[at]MISSOURI.EDU]

In SOME email systems if you then hit REPLY the message will be addressed to
the original sender - in these examples, billmulligan[at]MURRAY-KY.NET or
MillerK[at]MISSOURI.EDU. Not to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK.

And some IR-D members do not like their email addresses to be revealed in
this way.

Since the IR-D move to Jiscmail I have dealt with these problems by taking
in all emails sent to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, recasting them, and making all
IR-D emails seem to come from me. This meant that I was also able to pick
up messages clearly meant for IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, but sent to me by the
un-alert. It was all a bit of a chore.

So, in the few weeks when we have simply clicked OK, the sky did not fall
in, the sun still rose amidst the morning dew...

I think I'll go on just clicking OK...

To sum up...

1.
If you want an email to be distributed to the Irish Diaspora list make sure
that you send it to the list address, IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK.

2.
Do make sure - especially when you REPLY to an existing IR-D message - that
your email is addressed to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK.

3.
Do note that if you send a message to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK for distribution
your email address will be revealed in the IR-D FROM line.

4.
If you are not happy about your email address being revealed in this way,
feel free to send your message to me for onward distribution. Do make your
wishes clear.

5.
And, of course, if you are doubtful about the appropriateness for IR-D of a
message, feel free to send the message to me for discussion. And I will go
on collecting material from the usual sources for the Irish Diaspora list.

Paddy


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The following item has been brought to our attention.

Has anyone seen this article? Does it really add to this discussion?

P.O'S.

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Subject: "Remember your country and keep up its credit": Irish volunteers
and the Union Army, 1861-1865

Title:
"Remember your country and keep up its credit": Irish volunteers and the
Union Army, 1861-1865

Authors:
Bruce, SU

Source:
JOURNAL OF MILITARY HISTORY, 69 (2): 331-359; APR 2005

Abstract:
Historians have lacked a central theme to explain Irish-American service in
the Union Army during the American Civil War, due to the varying experiences
of Irish immigrants. There is, however, one common thread linking their
service: their dual loyalties to Ireland and America. When the Union cause
supported their interests in Ireland and America, Irish Americans
volunteered for the war and their families supported them. After the
Emancipation Proclamation, the federal draft, and a staggering rise in
Irish-American casualties, they began to question, and in some cases,
abandon, the Union war effort because it no longer protected their interests
in both countries.

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The European Legacy
Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group
Issue: Volume 10, Number 1 / February 2005
Pages: 41 - 54


Religion, politics and socio-cultural change in twentieth-century ireland

Louise Fuller

A1 Department of Modern History National University of Ireland Maynooth, Co.
Kildare Ireland louise.fuller[at]may.ie

Abstract:

The Catholic Church assumed vast power and influence in early twentieth
century Ireland based on political, social and religious developments in the
course of the nineteenth century. The first Irish governments under Costello
and de Valera were deferential in relation to the power and place of the
Catholic Church in Irish life. The 1950s represented the final phase of the
dominance of the Catholic Church. Since then, a wide variety of influences
from emigration to the mass media to issues related to family planning have
undermined the social framework of Church dominance in Irish life. By
highlighting the ideas and arguments of priests and prelates, this article
summarizes the remarkable changes that have come to Ireland undermining the
status and privilege of the Church in Irish politics and society.

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Folklore
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Issue: Volume 116, Number 1 / April, 2005
Pages: 37 - 50
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Research Article
Legends of the bean feasa, the =93woman-of-knowledge=94=20
Gear=F3id =D3 Crualaoich

Abstract:

Legends of the bean feasa, the =93woman-of-knowledge=94 or =
=93wise-woman,=94 are
numerous in Irish Gaelic tradition. Here a corpus of such legends, from =
the
archive of the former Irish Folklore Commission, at University College
Dublin, is examined with a view to revealing the significance of the =
figure
of the bean feasa and the role that the narration and transmission of
legends about her plays in Irish vernacular cultural tradition. =
Presenting
itself as historical truth, the lore of the bean feasa has a character
nearer to religious faith. It is suggested here, on the basis of the
evidence examined, that the oral narrative tradition of the bean feasa
functioned as a communal, psychotherapeutic device that operated so as =
to
enable its hearers to cope with their individual misfortunes and
afflictions. Stories of the resort of people to the =93wise-woman=94 in =
the face
of such misfortune and affliction, and of her oracular and often =
relieving
diagnosis and ministration, can be seen as representing, in the arena of
public discourse, a source of imaginative creativity that could be =
brought
to bear by individual listeners on the private circumstances of their =
own
individual afflictions and misfortunes. Bean feasa legends thus =
constitute a
valuable cultural resource.

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Map and Text: A Mid Ninth-Century Map for the Book of Joshua
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Imago Mundi: The International Journal for the History of Cartography
Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group
Issue: Volume 57, Number 1 / February 2005
Pages: 7 - 22
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Map and Text: A Mid Ninth-Century Map for the Book of Joshua

Thomas O'Loughlin

Abstract:

This article draws attention to a map of Palestine found in one
ninth-century manuscript of an eighth-century Latin commentary, probably =
of
Irish origin, on the Christian Bible. The map is a central element in =
the
commentary's examination of the Book of Joshua. It shows Canaan divided =
into
tribal territories and includes some of the cities mentioned in that =
text.
The map was used as an exegetical tool to impose through its graphic =
clarity
the impression of a coherent biblical text.

Keywords:

Bible, exegesis, BNF lat. 11561, Carolingian scholarship, exegetical =
maps,
map of the Promised Land, Adomn=E1n, Canaan, Cities of Refuge, Eusebius, =
Holy
Land, Isidore, Jerome, Jerusalem, Joshua, Rashi, tribes of Israel=20

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Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group
Issue: Volume 10, Number 1 / February 2005
Pages: 29 - 39
=09

Politics in the irish free state: the legacy of a conservative =
revolution

Olivier Coquelin

A1 Universit=E9 de Rennes Haute Bretagne Place du Recteur Henri Le Moal =
CS
24307 35 043 Rennes Cedex France o.coquelin[at]wanadoo.fr

Abstract:

This article is based on the premise that the social and political
foundations of the geopolitical entity known as the Irish Free State was =
of
a conservative nature, unique in Western Europe. Of course, conservative
forces also featured prominently in the early twentieth-century in other
European countries. However, they were counterbalanced by forces of
opposition sufficiently powerful to generate a social and political =
balance
that was practically nonexistent within the Irish Free State. When =
exploring
the root cause of Ireland's conservative politics, I identify an =
ideological
connection between the lack of radical forces in the Irish Free State =
and
the revolution through which it was established. In other words, the =
1916-23
Irish Revolution indisputably laid the foundations of the ideas that =
were to
become the dominant ideology in southern Ireland during the 1920s and =
1930s.