From Patrick O'Sullivan

I thought that the Irish-Diaspora list would like to see - pasted in
below - a message I have sent to Professor Klaus Tenfelde of the
University of Bochum, Germany.
Klaus Tenfelde
I have written in similar terms to John Belchem, University of
Liverpool.

P.O'S.


Dear Klaus,

I know I speak for the Irish Diaspora Studies communities when I say how
grateful we all are to you, and to John Belchem, for arranging and
supervising the Conference on Polish and Irish Migration in Comparative
Perspective, at the University of Bochum.

It was especially gratifying to us that - thanks to your generous
sponsors - so many of our younger scholars, at the early stages of their
careers, were able to attend the Conference. This included two young
scholars from the other side of the Atlantic. I know that all found the
Conference challenging, helpful and enjoyable. This can only do good.
I hope that you will be able to share our appreciation with your
sponsors.

Our thanks to your team - especially to Christoph and Sandra - for their
care and their hard work, and our thanks to the University and the City
of Bochum, and to the City of Herne, for their hospitality. Our special
thanks to the Archivist of the City of Herne for the coach tour with
commentary. In Irish Diaspora Studies we are used to finding the Irish
in strange and interesting places - but still it was intriguing to drive
at last past the Shamrock mine in Herne and meet the portraits of
William Mulvany in the city hall.

It was a great joy to meet our colleagues from Poland, and to meet
interested scholars from Germany, France and the Netherlands. Because
we have our networks in place we are already following up, informally,
some of the leads and suggestions that emerged in discussion in Bochum,
formal and informal. We are thinking of naming these efforts the
'Zentral Agenda' - after the Zentral bar in Bochum, where most of the
discussion took place.

Certainly I would expect that, from now on, every study of the Irish in
Britain will include some comparison with the Ruhr Poles. We all found
that that discussion of similarities and differences offered new
insights. But it was important too that we were able to at least begin
to compare and contrast ways of understanding Polish and Irish
experiences in North America.

This may be stating the obvious, but we were especially grateful to
everyone for conducting the Conference proceedings in the English
language. English-speakers tend not to be great linguists - though we
are trying to improve. On that note, we can only admire the courage of
John Kulczycki of Chicago, in giving his public lecture on the Ruhr
Poles in German.

Your Conference was, of course, something of the nature of an
experiment. And it is the nature of an experiment that you put the
elements together and see what happens. In comparative diaspora studies
we are looking for points of comparison. And I think that we were
puzzled that some obvious points of comparison did not emerge, or did
not emerge strongly. Obvious examples are the role of religion within
the creation of national identities, and the place of women in
developing diasporic identities. You yourself drew attention to some of
these points in your final remarks.

I wondered if the reason for this was not that the Conference was, in
the end, led by historians of labour. In fact we could see this as a
useful corrective. In Irish Diasporas Studies the search for work can
become something of a given - but it should never become an
unacknowledged, unstudied given.

I think I have said enough to demonstrate that what you gave us was a
pleasant, useful, and sometimes exciting, experience.

Lastly, to complete our unfinished conversation, the special edition of
_History Ireland_ devoted to Irish-German relations was issue 5/3,
Autumn 1997 - with essays ranging from the medieval period to the mid
20th century. These include a thorough piece, by Jim Dooge, on the
career of William Mulvany. _History Ireland_ has an email address

The best postal address is Rod Eley, Publishing Manager, History
Ireland, PO Box 695, Dublin 8, Ireland.

If you have any difficulty getting hold of a copy of the journal we can
supply a photocopy of the relevant sections.

Patrick O'Sullivan

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From Patrick O'Sullivan




3 items of Academic News from
The Irish Emigrant Newsletter

On the two 'British' items... I have not been able to check these
stories, and they raise many questions of fact and interpretation.
Thus, British universities are desperate for students, and actually need
numbers of students to come here from Ireland. I stand to be corrected,
but I am not sure that anywhere in that system is the discriminatory
sublety suggested here.

But... examples, I suppose, of the ways in which prejudice and
discrimination can be built into the system and the curriculum - or can
be asserted to be built in. It was these sort of anomalies that the
Irish cross-border groups and the archipelago-wide 'Council of the
Isles' were supposed to sort out.

[By the way... UCAS is the British Central Clearinghouse for University
Admissions. Yes, dear American parents, you have to fill in only ONE
application form to be considered by nearly every university...]

P.O'S.

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The following news item has been brought to our attention.
Congratulations - or maybe even commiserations - to Pauric Travers. It
is no easy task to take on and manage these historic institutions. Good
luck to Pauric in his new role.

P.O'S.


FIRST LAY HEAD OF DRUMCONDRA COLLEGE
- - Dr Pauric Travers has been inaugurated as the first lay president of
St Patrick's College, Drumcondra, Dublin. Dr Travers, a native of
Donegal, took up a post as lecturer of History at the College in 1981
and was promoted to head of that department two years later. The
College was governed by the Vincentian Fathers for 125 years before
they relinquished their role earlier this year.
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From: Peter Gray

Salvation Army in Ireland

For Grainne Blair

It might be a good idea to talk to Janice Holmes at the
History Dept, University of Ulster Coleraine, who has done
quite a bit of work on women preachers in C19 Ireland, and
has a book on religious revivals in Britain and Ireland
coming out next year.
Her email is JE.Holmes[at]uslt.ac.uk

Peter Gray

>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:40:00 +0100
>irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

>>
>> Forwarded on behalf of Grainne Blair...
>>
>> Dear Paddy,
>>
>> Please do circulate the following...
>>
>> I would be most interested in any help and responses and also if
there
>> were any sources of funding outside the usual that might be relevant
to
>> this, as the Irish seem to think it is British and the British seem
to
>> think it is Irish!
>>
>> I am researching the development of the Salvation Army in Ireland
from
>> 1880-1980. The focus of my research will be the development of the
>> Salvation Army in Ireland within the context of religious and
>> political difficulties, north and south from 1880-1980. Particular
>> attention will be paid to gendered meanings of work within the Army
>> and an examination of services provided to the wider community by
>> them, particularly rescue work.
>>
>> I am registered for the PhD in Warwick University working with Dr
>> Maria Luddy but will be based in Dublin. Anyone who might have any
>> references or information, please do contact me. Anyone who is
>> interested on further information, please contact me and I will send
>> you a list of my publications to date on the subject.
>>
>> With thanks
>>
>> Grainne Blair
>> Grainne Blair
>> 1 Farmhill Drive
>> Roebuck
>> Dublin 14
>> Tel:087 2073194 or
>> 353 1 2987741
>> grainne.blair[at]ucd.ie
>>
>
>----------------------
>Peter Gray
>Department of History
>University of Southampton
>pg2[at]soton.ac.uk

Forwarded on behalf of...
"Tadhg.O hIfearnain"
Subject: Gaelic Linguistics


1st Call for Papers: Conference of Gaelic Linguistics 2000

The Centre for Applied Language Studies, University of Limerick, Ireland
will be hosting "Comhdhail do Theangeolaiocht na Gaeilge" on 14 and 15
April 2000. This is the fifth conference in the series.

Papers would be welcome from scholars specialising in aspects of the
linguistics of Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx. The focus of the
conference is on the linguistics of Gaelic, be that Irish,
Scottish or Manx. Any linguistic field is included.

Abstracts are now invited for papers dealing with any aspect of the
linguistics of the three Gaelic languages. Please send the title and a
short summary (max. 300 words), in any of the three Gaelic languages or
English, to the Conference Secretary before 1 February 2000.

Further information is available from the conference website at:
http://www.ul.ie/~neylonm/comhdhail.html

and from the Conference Secretary:

Tadhg hIfearnin
Ollscoil Luimnigh / University of Limerick
tadhg.ohifearnain[at]ul.ie


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From: "Brian McGinn"
To: "Irish Diaspora Studies"
Subject: San Patricios
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:57:42 -0400
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David Michaelsen's ambitious project on the San Patricios deserves our
congratulations and support. Hopefully his research on the unit's place
within the Mexican chain-of-command will also uncover further details on
the considerable number of rank and file San Patricio soldiers whose names
and places of birth are still unknown. In the most definitive work to date,
Robert Ryal Miller has succeeded in identifying by name some 127 out of a
total San Patricio strength that he and other historians have estimated at
more than 200. Of those, Dr. Miller has identified the countries of birth
of 103. On the question of the unit's Irishness, Dr. Miller's conclusions
are meticulous and conservative. While two-fifths of the men whose
birthplaces are known were Irish, many of the remaining surnames also
suggest Irish origins.

Ironically, one of the legacies of the War in which these Irishmen fought
is the virtual inaccessibility of Mexico's National Defense Archives to
outside scholars. The subsequent history of U.S. interventions in Mexico,
both overt and covert, has understandably made access to military records a
matter of extreme sensitivity, all the more so, perhaps, when U.S. citizens
are involved. Dr. Miller writes of his frustration in attempting to obtain
the names of the 57 San Patricios who died in combat for Mexico from the
National Defense Archive. Michael Hogan, author of the Irish Soldiers of
Mexico, seems to have obtained some limited access, but found that many of
the historical documents were still classified 150 years later.

In addition to contextualizing the San Patricios within Mexico's military
establishment, another possibly fruitful approach might be to place the San
Patricios' change of allegiance within the context of Irish military
history. In which desertion, I'd venture to claim, has a long and honorable
history. For Old World examples, many also involving apparent religious
motivations, see Chapter Two in Patrick O'Sullivan, Patterns of Migration.
Volume One of The Irish Word Wide: History, Heritage, Identity (Leicester
UP, 1997).

Within the New World, the San Patricios were not as unique as Dr. Miller or
Peter F. Stevens, author of The Rogue's March, suggest. During the American
Revolution, the British Army in America formed a Provincial regiment around
a nucleus of Irish-born deserters from George Washington's Patriot army.
Under the command of Francis Rawdon from Moira, Co. Down, the Volunteers of
Ireland fought from 1778 through 1782, and had among their junior officers
Lt. Edward Fitzgerald, the rebel hero of 1798. A good starting point is
Oliver Snoddy, "The Volunteers of Ireland" in The Irish Sword, Vol. VII,
No. 27 (Winter 1965), pp. 147-159. Like the San Patricios, not all members
of the Volunteers were deserters. But all were required to be Irish by
birth. Analysis of a 1778 Muster showed that the most common surnames were
Murphy, Barry, Jones, Kelly, O'Reily, Thompson, Connolly, Doyle, McCarthy
and Stewart.

Brian McGinn
Alexandria, Virginia
bmcginn[at]clark.net
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From: Hilary Robinson
Subject: Re: Ir-D Northern Ireland

Apart from anything else, it will be interesting to see how those who had
problems dealing with a woman, and those whose negative attitude (public
and private) to homosexuality has been noted, approach Mandelson. No doubt
the Save Ulster from Sodomy gang will be out and about (if that's the right
phrase)!
Hilary.


Dr. Hilary Robinson
School of Art and Design
University of Ulster at Belfast
York Street
Belfast BT15 1ED
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direct phone/fax: (+44) 01232.267291)


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From Patrick O'Sullivan

My thanks to Russell Murray, who looked after the Ir-D list during my
absence in Germany - and subsequent detoxifcation...

It's the smoke. The smoke. Normally I spend no time at all in smoke-
filled rooms...

Now.

Time to post again to the Ir-D list two queries that got sort of lost
during the (northern hemisphere's) summer holiday shenanigins. I will
post the queries again - one on the theatre, the other on the
autobiography. Of the Irish Diaspora.

But I must warn the original querists that every full time academic I
know is now rushing around in a mad frenzy, collecting students,
incorporating students into the collective, writing lectures, writing
papers. They are busy people.

We'll see what happens.

P.O'S.
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This is the original Ir-D message from Liam Harte...


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A query from
Liam Harte

I'm currently researching the possibility of a critical anthology of
autobiographical prose by first and second generation Irish
immigrants in Britain since about 1800. I've worked my way through
the MacGill's and the Mac Amhlaigh's, as well as the Behan's and the
MacNeice's, but I'm keen to discover works by more obscure
autobiographers, published or unpublished. In particular, I'm keen to
find material relating to the first half of the 19th century, by
Irish women in Britain, and by second-generation Irish people.
Do we happen to know of any juicy sources, or bibliographical guides?
(I've been through Hartigan and Burnett, Mayall and Vincent, by the
way.) If so, I'd be extremely grateful for any guidance.

Liam Harte
From: hartel[at]mailnt.smuc.ac.uk
Organization: St. Mary's University College, Strawberry Hill

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From Patrick O'Sullivan

This is the original Ir-D message from Sara Brady...

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From Patrick O'Sullivan

A query from Sara Brady

Sara is a PhD candidate in performance studies at New York University. Her previous
work was in theatre and anthropology and she has been working as a community-based
theatre artist (mostly with youth) for the past several years (in both New York City
and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania).

Sara writes...

'I am really interested in taking the research further. I would ideally like
to design a community-theatre project that would have two components, one in
Ireland and one in NYC exploring the issues that are involved in the current
wave of immigration to the US, including a lot of 'illegal' immigration. In
the face of the Celtic Tiger, there are thousands who risk a great deal
economically and emotionally to leave home and come to the States. I want to
offer theatre as a way to explore these issues.

Right now I'm in a research phase--I'm exploring grant/funding possibilities
and trying to do practical research to explore how I could go about such a
project. As may be expected, I'm aware of community organizations in NYC
that I can try to hook up with, but trying to get in contact with Irish
community orgs that might be interested in this type of project has proven
difficult. I just don't know enough about the Irish community-based theatre
network...'

So, as a first step, Sara is interested in exploring how far issues around
emigration are explored within Irish drama and theatre. Sara and I have discussed
this, to a certain extent, already. One problem which I can see immediately is that
little from the very active Irish theatre scene actually makes it into print - and
thus into the research record.

Can we take this discussion further?


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From Patrick O'Sullivan

1.
Thanks to Alex Peach - whose first step in implementing the Zentral
Agenda is repeated below.

2.
I can report that we have put Pien Versteegh - which is pronounced,
roughly, 'Peen Verstage' - in touch with Janet Nolan.

For those who did not take part in discussions in the Zentral Bar, in
Bochum, Germany... Pien, who is based in Den Haag, in the Netherlands,
presented a paper on Polish women migrants in the USA. We thought that
some comparative work was called for - and Janet Nolan, who is based at
Loyola, Illinois, was the obvious person. Coincidentally, Janet will be
in Amsterdam to give a paper next year.

Janet reports that she thinks it 'glamorous' to discover that she was
discussed in a bar in Europe... It was a good bar, but... 'Glamorous?'

3.
I should also report that Don MacRaild is going to see if he can
maintain the Polish and German contacts for a conference he is planning,
in Sunderland, in 2001.

Any more items from and for the Zentral Agenda?

Patrick O'Sullivan

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From: "alex peach"

Subject: Irish Nationalists in Poland


Carrying on from my recent requests for information on Irish =
nationalists contacts with Tibetan nationalists, I have a question from =
Prof. Kazimierz Dopierala, a Polish historian who I and others on the =
IDN met last week in Germany. He informs me that he has evidence of =
contact between Irish and Polish nationalists (around the turn of the =
century I think), and would be interested if anyone knows any references =
to this in the English literature. I promised that I would dip into the =
pool of knowledge that this learned group was set up to access and =
inform him of the answers. The conference we both attended "Irish and =
Polish Migration in Comparative Perspective" at the University of the =
Rhur in Bochum, was set up in order to explore these connections. It =
would be most useful to both our subject areas to facilitate an exchange =
of information and I will ask Professor Dopierala to furnish us with =
information regarding his findings.=20
=20
Many Thanks
=20
Alex Peach
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From Patrick O'Sullivan

Irish Military History

One of the great legends of Irish Diaspora Studies has to do with a
moment in 1990 when a young scholar in Pennsylvania. Paul V. Walsh,
revealed to an astonished Military History Society of Ireland that he
had compiled a thematic index of their journal, The Irish Sword -
starting with the first issue of 1949.

You can still hear the astonishment of the Irish Swordspersons, in the
fulsome acknowledgement in the mighty index volume, Irish Sword, XVIII,
Winter 1992, No. 74, p xxvi - 'Mr. Walsh, with great generosity, and in
an unheralded way which meant that surprise was added to its recipients'
gratitude, presented to the society a copy of his work...'

The journal, The Irish Sword - I have said before - is a mine and a
minefield. It is one of the most useful journals in Irish Diaspora
Studies - but you have to get into the mind-set of its originators to
exploit it fully. (I speak here as a newly-enrolled member of the
Military History Society of Ireland...) What is great about The Irish
Sword, though its editors and writers would not put it like this, is
that they have had, from the beginning, built in, a diaspora studies
approach to their subject matter.

There is another work by Paul V. Walsh which has achieved near legendary
status in samizdat form, his bibliographic guide, formally titled IRISH
MILITARY HISTORY: AN INTRODUCTORY BIBLIOGRAPHICAL ESSAY ON SECONDARY
WORKS.

I am pleased to be able to report that Paul Walsh, again 'with great
generosity' has made this Bibliographic Essay and study guide available
to the Irish-Diaspora list, and to the Irish Diaspora Studies Web site -
where it will be, in due course, added to our growing number of 'Study
Guides'.

The Bibliographic Essay is too large to circulate - in its present form
it is over 30 single-spaced pages. But people are already commenting on
its range and depth. And, I say again, a diaspora studies approach is
built in.

We will work on the HTML coding, and get the Bibliographic Essay
displayed on the Irish Diaspora Studies Web site as soon as possible.

Paul V. Walsh completed his MA in Military History at Temple University,
Philadelphia, in 1994. He is currently working in a doctoral program at
Temple, also in Military History. He is also currently teaching, on the
American Civil War and on Irish History, at a local community college.
Paul is not an email/Internet/Web person - but hopes to be soon.

So, I will be writing formally to Paul, giving our thanks. And I can be
fulsome too. He has given us something that, suddenly, immediately,
makes this whole issue easier to study and easier to think about.

Our thanks too to Brian McGinn, who handled the negotiations on our
behalf.

Patrick O'Sullivan

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From: ppo[at]aber.ac.uk (Paul O' Leary)
Autobiography of Irish in Britain


There are three autobiographies relating to the Irish in Wales which tend
not to figure very strongly in most studies, so it might be worth drawing
atention to them. Each has its own distinctive qualities and strengths. The
first is by Dr James Mullin of Ulster, titled 'The Story of a Toiler's Life'
(1922). The Irish background to Mullin was the subject of a very useful
article by Patrick Maume in a recent issue of Irish Studies Review - in
fact, Patrick is one of the few Irish historians to be aware of the book.
Mullin's story is an intriguing one on several levels, perhaps especially
because it demonstrates that the laws of supply and demand operated among
the professional classess as well as among labourers.

The second is by Joseph Keating, titled 'My Struggle for Life' (1915). He
was the son of Irish immigrants and grew up in the coalmining village of
Mountain Ash in the Cynon Valley of south Wales. He began his working life
in the mines before eventually becoming a journalist and a (mediocre)
novelist. His political development in the ISDL and the Labour Party after
1918 is covered in my forthcoming book on the Irish in Wales. (His brother,
Matthew, became Irish Nationalist MP for South Kilkenny before the First
World War.)

The third autobiography is that of another Doctor, Mark Ryan, titled 'Fenian
Memories' (1946). This records his time as a medic in industrial south
Wales. Subsequently, he returned to Ireland.

Paul O'Leary

>
>
>>From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
>This is the original Ir-D message from Liam Harte...
>
>
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
>
>
>A query from
>Liam Harte
>
>I'm currently researching the possibility of a critical anthology of
>autobiographical prose by first and second generation Irish
>immigrants in Britain since about 1800.

From: Patrick Maume
Irish deserters in American Revolution

From: patrick maume
Re the Volunteers of Ireland - Rawdon, as Lord Moira, was a major
Whig advocate of clemency to Ireland and critic of government
repression in the run-up to 1798. His declaration that his own
tenants around Ballynahinch wished only to be left in peace exposed
him to ridicule when Ballynahinch became the site of the decisive
battle of the Down insurgency, and the Tory Canning wrote some verses
beginning...
A certain great statesman whom all of us know
Declared in the House just a short while ago,
That from this maxim he never would flinch
"No town was so loyal as Ballynahinch"..
Moira subsequently was a successful general in India, and is
remembered in British history under the title Marquess of Hastings. I
believe he or his descendants sold the Co.Down estates in the early
nineteenth century.
Best wishes,
Patrick


On Weds 13 Oct 99 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk> Date: Weds 13 Oct 99
> Subject: Ir-D San Patricios
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
>
>
> From: "Brian McGinn"
> To: "Irish Diaspora Studies"
> Subject: San Patricios
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:57:42 -0400
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> David Michaelsen's ambitious project on the San Patricios deserves
our
> congratulations and support.


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From: Patrick Maume
Autobiography of Irish in Britain

From: Patrick Maume
Liam may be interested in James Mullin's STORY OF A TOILER'S LIFE
(with its account of the author's progress from labourer in Cookstown
to doctor and Home Rule activist in Cardiff). I
published an article on it in IRISH STUDIES REVIEW April
1999 and have made some progress towards getting it reprinted (will
post more details on the list when things are more definite).
A few other possibilities:
Joseph Keating MY STRUGGLE WITH LIFE - vivid account of an Irish
immigrant community in the late nineteenth-century Cynon Valley in
Wales.
Joanna Bourke's recent edition of THE MISFIT SOLDIER in the
NARRATIVES series edited by David Fitzpatrick - the anti-heroic
recollections of a Cockney-born Irish First World War soldier, mostly
devoted to his struggle to stay alive - some interesting material on
meeting pro-Sinn Fein relatives when posted to Ireland.
Didn't we have a discussion about Irish in Britain autobiographies
on the list some months back?
Best wishes,
Patrick

On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:04:00 +0100 irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
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> From:irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:04:00
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> Subject: Ir-D Autobiography of Irish in Britain
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
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> From Patrick O'Sullivan
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> This is the original Ir-D message from Liam Harte...
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> A query from
> Liam Harte
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> I'm currently researching the possibility of a critical anthology of
> autobiographical prose by first and second generation Irish
> immigrants in Britain since about 1800.

From: Sara Brady
Theatre of Emigration


Thanks for forwarding my message again Patrick. I just wanted to add an
update and some issues that have come up over discussions with others:
As an update, I'm planning six free open-to-all workshops in the community
of Woodlawn, Bronx, NYC, starting up in late January/February. I am going
to try to see what kind of interest can be generated, what material people
in the community would like to work on, and in what kind of style (i.e.,
preexisting text or one we devise etc.) so that if the group does generate
enough energy to warrant a production that I could try to get funding to go
on with, we gain focus. In the best case scenario I would get some funding
and then, eventually, design a similar project in Ireland. Obviously I'm
interested in the issues of immigration to the New York area for the
Woodlawn group, but I feel like I want to remain open to the group's
interests as well.

Still, I would really appreciate any leads on the documentation of theatre
that is either community-based in Ireland, as well as attention paid to the
issue of emigration in Irish theatre *specifically*. . .any leads??

Sara

At 10:04 AM 10/14/1999 +0100, you wrote:
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>>From Patrick O'Sullivan
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>This is the original Ir-D message from Sara Brady...
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> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
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>>From Patrick O'Sullivan
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>A query from Sara Brady
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>Sara is a PhD candidate in performance studies at New York University. Her
previous
>work was in theatre and anthropology and she has been working as a
community-based
>theatre artist (mostly with youth) for the past several years (in both New
York City
>and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania).
>

From: S.Morgan[at]unl.ac.uk

Autobiography of the Irish in Britain


A good starting place for Liam would be to look at The History of the Irish in
Britain bibliography produced by the Irish in Britain History Group in 1986.
Although it's now a bit dated, it is pretty comprehensive and seems to include
a number of works which should be of use.

In addition, the following titles might be of interest

Healy, J. The Grass Arena
Molloy, F. No Mate for the Magpie
O'Mara, P. The Autobiography of a Liverpool Slummy

Sarah Morgan.

From: Kerby Miller

Following on from the discussion on Irish deserters in American Revolution...

With regards to Lord Rawdon--and presuming that the Co. Down parish of
Moira formed part of his family's estates, since he was Earl of Moira--some
interesting developments in that parish's religious demography occur
between 1766 and 1831 (alas, the only measurable dates, without access to
any surviving local estate or church-membership records). The parish's
Presbyterian population declines drastically, both absolutely and
proportionately; the Catholic population declines also, although not quite
so dramatically; but there is a huge increase in the parish's Anglican
population. This same pattern is found in adjacent parishes (and elsewhere
in Ulster--north Antrim, east Donegal), but--so far as my research has
extended to date--not to anywhere near such an extreme extent as I've found
in Moira. Thus, I would speculate that the changes in Moira stem from
post-1798 repression of real or allegedly "disaffected" Presbyterians,
discriminatory leasing policies favoring "loyal" Anglicans (and
Orangemen?), etc. However, given Lord Rawdon's noted and apparently very
sincere liberalism, even radicalism in the 1790s, it would seem doubtful
that these demographic changes resulted from HIS policies. Yet if Rawdon
or his ancestors had alienated control of Moira to Protestant middlemen,
among whom were apparently the ultra-Tory and Orange Warrings, perhaps they
were responsible? Or perhaps the changes took place after Rawdon "sold the
Co. Down estates in the early nineteenth century," as Patrick Maume
suggests?

Any information about Moira & the Rawdon estates with respect to my
hypotheses will be very welcome. More broadly, has anyone ever interpreted
political developments in late 18th- or 19th-century Ulster (e.g., the
growth of Presbyterian radicalism prior to 1798, of unionism thereafter) in
the contexts of changes in the province's religious demography and/or in
terms of differential rates of emigration among Dissenters, Anglicans, and
Catholics. Has anyone even examined the
religious-demographic/differential-emigration-rate issues to any degree?

Thanks,
Kerby Miller.


>From: Patrick Maume
>Irish deserters in American Revolution
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>From: patrick maume
> Re the Volunteers of Ireland - Rawdon, as Lord Moira, was a major
>Whig advocate of clemency to Ireland and critic of government
>repression in the run-up to 1798. His declaration that his own
>tenants around Ballynahinch wished only to be left in peace exposed
>him to ridicule when Ballynahinch became the site of the decisive
>battle of the Down insurgency, and the Tory Canning wrote some verses
>beginning...
> A certain great statesman whom all of us know
> Declared in the House just a short while ago,
> That from this maxim he never would flinch
> "No town was so loyal as Ballynahinch"..
> Moira subsequently was a successful general in India, and is
>remembered in British history under the title Marquess of Hastings. I
>believe he or his descendants sold the Co.Down estates in the early
>nineteenth century.
> Best wishes,
> Patrick

From: "Brian McGinn"

Subject: Art and The Volunteers of Ireland

Patrick Maume's interesting background on Francis Rawdon the later Lord
Moira reminds me that he is also thought to be the artist responsible for a
number of water color sketches of New York and New Jersey during the
American Revolution. The best known, a staple in books covering the British
occupation of New York, is titled An Original Sketch of the Ruins of
Trinity Church After the Great Fire of September 21, 1776--Taken by an
English Officer During the Revolution. Along with three other drawings
depicting military activities, the Trinity Church sketch was part of the
estate of the Marquis of Hastings, a grandson of Francis Rawdon's. All four
were acquired by Thomas A. Emmet, M.D., antiquarian-grandson of the United
Irishman, and are part of the New York Public Library's Emmet Collection.

Lord Edward Fitzgerald's service as Rawdon's ADC in South Carolina also led
to a later watercolor, this depicting Lord Edward's lifelong
African-American servant Tony Small, an escaped slave who rescued the
wounded lieutenant from a South Carolina battlefield in 1781. The painting
by John Roberts appears in the book our moderator refuses to read, Stella
Tillyard's Citizen Lord (London, 1997). (Paddy, won't you at least look at
the pictures?). As I recall, Tony Small became famous in the streets of
Dublin and London as Lord Edward's precursor--when Tony appeared, people
knew that Edward was nearby.

Hobkirk's Hill, another of the bloody South Carolina battles in which Lord
Edward and the Volunteers of Ireland participated, is illustrated in the
Atlas of the American Revolution. The map in the Atlas was engraved from a
drawing by Charles Vallancey, who is described as "an officer in a Tory
regiment." The cartographer was likely a son of the Flanders-born Irish
military geographer and antiquarian Charles Vallencey. A Lieutenant
Charles Vallancy (sic) appears on a 1778 muster roll of Rawdon's Volunteers
of Ireland. In any event, the original cartographer was not the father, who
was too busy raising four separate families in Ireland.

Brian McGinn
Alexandria, Virginia
bmcginn[at]clark.net

From: KP Corrigan
Religious and Demographic change

Dear Kerby,
Although I don't know of anything further on Moira, I can report that I have
found the following helpful with regard to demography and displacement in the
relevant period:-


Bartlett, T. "The Rise and fall of the Protestant nation", "Eire-Ireland,",
xxv1, 7-18.
Clark, S. and Donnelly, J.S. Jr., eds, (1983) "Irish Peasants, Violence and
Political Unrest 1780-1914". Manchester: Manchester University Press.
Miller, D.W. ed, (1990) "Peep O'day Boys and Defenders: Selected Documents
on the Disturbances in County Armagh, 1784-1796". Belfast: Public Record
Office of Northern Ireland.
Tohall, P. (1958) 'The Diamond fight of 1795 and the resultant expulsions',
"Seanchas Ardmhacha", 1, 36-50.
Whelan, Kevin (1996) "The Tree of Liberty". Cork: Cork University Press.

Best wishes,

Karen (Corrigan).