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Not only was he not born in Ireland - he had no apparent Irish
ancestry. He was born English of English parents with no connection to
Ireland. But he adopted Ireland in his late teens and "invented" an
Irish language name from his real name, Willmore. When I was growing up
in Dublin McL was frequently seen about town, in Bewleys, near the Gate
and always spoke with a commanding voice - often in Irish. Fooled
everyone for a very long time. Wilde would have loved it. I do.

Carmel

p.maume[at]QUB.AC.UK wrote:
> From: Patrick Maume
> Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland doesn't
> mean that he wasn't Irish?
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk] On
> Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan
> Sent: 16 October 2006 16:12
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
>
> Alas, Liam...
>
> Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.
>
> He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years ago.
>
> For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick Hern
> Books, 1994.
>
> Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.
>
> See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.
>
> Paddy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf Of Liam Clarke
> Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> To the list
>
> Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry
>
> Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive spelled
> that right)
>
> Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??
>
>
> Liam Clarke
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's
> birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for
> facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.
>
> Carmel
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
> .
>
>

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From: D C Rose [mailto:oscholarship[at]tiscali.fr]=20
Subject: On Oscar Wilde's Birthday, the return of THE OSCHOLARS

THE OSCHOLARS
A Journal devoted to Oscar Wilde and His Worlds
1 rue Gutenberg
Paris XV
=20
Dear Colleagues, A Chomhghleacaithe liom, Ch=C3=A8res et chers =
coll=C3=A8gues, Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, Geachte collega's en =
collegae, Estimados colegas, Cari colleghi e colleghe, Drodzy Koledzy i =
Kolez=CB=99anki, Queridos colegas, Dragi colegi, K=C3=A4ra kolleger:

We are pleased and proud to announce (after many false dawns) the return =
to monthly publication of THE OSCHOLARS on its new site =
www.irishdiaspora.net, thanks to the generosity of Irish Diaspora =
Net=E2=80=99s owner Dr Patrick O=E2=80=99Sullivan. All existing issues =
have been reposted there, newly formatted (much is explained on the =
site). There too will be found the new issue, numbered 30, volume III =
no 11, October 2003-October 2006.

We were away much longer than we anticipated, although we believe that =
we will now be able to continue as before. For the moment, there is =
open access but we do ask all who have not done so to re-indicate their =
interest in remaining on our mailing list, which we expect to prune as =
well as expand once more.

Yours sincerely,

David Rose

D. C. Rose, Editor

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The ESHSI is holdings its annual conference in Belfast on
the topic =91Medicine Science and Society in Ireland=92. The
programme is below, for more details see
http://eh.net/eshsi/


Economic and Social History Society of Ireland
Annual Conference, 2006
=91Medicine Science and Society in Ireland=92
Peter Froggatt Centre, Queen=92s University Belfast

Day 1: Friday, 17 November
>From 12.30pm: Registration, Foyer, Peter Froggatt Centre

1.30pm-3.15pm: Parallel Sessions
(1) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 206: Science and Religion
=91Presbyterians and science in Ireland before 1874=92
Dr Andrew Holmes, School of History and Anthropology,
Queen=92s University Belfast

=91A Nest of Heresy: Walter McDonald, Science and the
Catholic Clergy in Ireland.=92
Dr John Privilege, Department of History and International
Affairs, University of Ulster

=91Irish Catholicism and Science, 1931-1949: discordant
harmony=92
Dr Don O=92Leary, University College Cork

(2) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 302: Public Health in the
Republic of Ireland
=91=93Flat earthers vs. Murderers of children?=94: The
fluoridation debate of the 1960s=92
Dr Tom Feeney, School of History and Archives, University
College Dublin

=91Medicine, Politics, and Hierarchy: Myths about the
Mother and Child Scheme=92
Dr Elizabeth Keane, Eton College

=91A straining of public relations: Se=E1n MacEntee and the
Irish Medical Association, 1957-65=92
Dr Andrew McCarthy, Department of History, University
College Cork

3.15-3.45pm: Tea & Coffee, Foyer Peter Froggatt Centre

3.45-4.15pm: Economic and Social History Society of Ireland,
Annual General Meeting, Peter Froggatt Centre Room 206

4.30-6.00pm: Peter Froggatt Centre, Lecture Theatre 209:=20
Connell Lecture
Professor Simon Schaffer, University of Cambridge [Title
TBA]

6.00-7.00pm: [Location?] Wine reception and launch of
pamphlets in =91Studies in Irish Economic and Social
History=92 series
The Irish in Britain 1800-1914, by Donald M. MacRaild
The Poor Law in Ireland 1838-1948, by Virginia Crossman

7.30pm: Conference dinner (not included in conference fee)

=20
Day 2: Saturday, 18 November

9.00-10.45am: Parallel Sessions
(1) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 210: Public Health in 19th
Century Ireland
=91Public health, sanitation and housing conditions in the
west of Ireland, 1891-1915=92
Dr Ciara Breathnach, Department of History, University of
Limerick

=91Riot, smallpox and the politics of public health in
mid-Victorian Ireland=92
Dr Mel Cousins, Department of History, Oxford Brookes
University

=91Lock Hospitals, Venereal Disease and Gender in Pre-Famine
Ireland=92
Dr Laurence M. Geary, Department of History, University
College Cork.

(2) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 211: Science and Medicine in
the 18th and 19th Centuries
=91=93Chattering charlatan=94 or pioneer of public science?:
The case of the Reverend William Richardson (1740-1820)=92
Dr Allan Blackstock, School of History and International
Affairs, University of Ulster

=91Daniel O=92Sullivan (1760-1796): An Irish military
physician in late colonial Mexico=92
Dr Fiona Clark, Department of History, St Patrick=92s
College, Drumcondra (Irish Research Council for Humanities &
Social Sciences Post-Doctoral Fellow)

=91=93I was right glad to be rid of it=94: Dental medical
practice in eighteenth-century Ireland=92
Dr James Kelly, Department of History, St Patrick=92s
College, Drumcondra

10.45-11.00am: Tea & Coffee

11.00am-12.45pm: Parallel sessions:
(1) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 210: Public Health in 20th
Century Ireland
=91Nuisance and coercion: nomads and public health policy
in twentieth-century Ireland=92
Dr Aoife Bhreatnach, Department of History, National
University of Ireland Maynooth

=91Public health services for women in Dublin and Belfast,
1939-1946=92
Dr Mary Muldowney, School of History, Trinity College Dublin

=91=93A Conspiracy of Ignorance and Silence=94: Venereal
Disease and Public Opinion in independent Ireland
1940-1951=92
Dr Susannah Riordan, School of History and Archives,
University College Dublin
=20
(2) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 211: Medicine, Science and
Learning in 19th Century Ireland
=91=93The most important innovation of all=94: agriculture
education in the Queen=92s Colleges, 1849-65=92
Dr Juliana Adelman, St. Patrick=92s College, Drumcondra

=91A =91poor man=92s university=92?: The Museum of Irish
Industry, Robert Kane and scientific education in the Dublin
of the 1850s and 1860s.=92
Dr Clara Cullen, School of History and Archives, University
College Dublin

=91George Sigerson as irish medical man and public
intellectual=92
Dr James McGeachie, School of History and International
Affairs, University of Ulster

12.45-1.30pm: Lunch, Foyer Peter Froggatt Centre (included
in conference fee)

1.30-3.15pm: Parallel sessions
(1) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 210: Medicine and Science in
19th Century Ireland
=91The appliance of science: changing functions of science
in a developing economy, Belfast 1780-1900=92
Dr Ruth Bayles, School of History and Anthropology,
Queen=92s University Belfast

=91Farmers, blacksmiths and cures for animals in early
nineteenth century Ireland=92
Dr Patricia A. Lynch, School of Languages and Cultural
Studies, University of Limerick

=91Antiquarian, Academic, or Practical? Geology in
Nineteenth-Century Ireland=92
Professor William H. Mulligan, Jr., Department of History,
Murray State University, Kentucky

(2) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 211: Post-graduate panel
=91The impact of the Anatomy Act (1832) in Ireland: Pauper
bodies and the Galway School of Anatomy=92. Ina Brackmann,
University of Trier, Germany

=91Sir Charles Cameron: the impact of his work on the
living conditions of the Dublin poor, 1862-1921=92, Lydia
Carroll, School of History, Trinity College Dublin

=91The 1918 Influenza Epidemic in Belfast=92, Patricia
Marsh, School of History and Anthropology, Queen=92s
University Belfast

3.15-3.30pm: Tea & Coffee
=20
3.30-5.15pm: Parallel Sessions
(1) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 210: Medicine, Healthcare and
Society
=91Medicine and the making of the Irish middle-class:
medicine and migration, 1860-1911=92
Professor Greta Jones, School of History and International
Affairs, University of Ulster

=91Positioning the Healthcare Sector in Popular Culture=92
Professor Jim Malone, Department of Medical Physics and
Bioengineering,
St James=92s Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin

=91The development of the Irish hospital library service=92
Dr Marie Coleman, School of History and Anthropology,
Queen=92s University Belfast

(2) Peter Froggatt Centre Room 211: Psychiatry and
Psychology
Physical illness and mental suffering: the health concerns
of suicidal individuals in post-Famine Ireland.=92
Dr Georgina Laragy, Department of History, National
University of Ireland, Maynooth

=91Criminal lunacy in nineteenth century Ireland:
Medico-legal debates and outcomes=92
Dr Pauline M. Prior, School of Sociology, Social Policy,
Social Work, Queen=92s University Belfast

=91Psychology, propaganda and historiography: depictions of
Irish revolutionaries, 1916-1923=92, Claire McGrath Guerin,
School of History, Trinity College Dublin

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Alas, Liam...

Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.

He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years ago.

For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick Hern
Books, 1994.

Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.

See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.

Paddy


-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf
Of Liam Clarke
Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

To the list

Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry

Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive spelled
that right)

Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??


Liam Clarke



-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's
birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for
facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.

Carmel


>

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From: Patrick Maume
Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland doesn't
mean that he wasn't Irish?
Best wishes,
Patrick

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan
Sent: 16 October 2006 16:12
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Alas, Liam...

Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.

He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years ago.

For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick Hern
Books, 1994.

Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.

See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.

Paddy


-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Liam Clarke
Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

To the list

Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry

Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive spelled
that right)

Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??


Liam Clarke



-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's
birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for
facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.

Carmel


>

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I agree with Carmel on this one. In the end of the day identity is
ascriptive - chosen - and not a matter of fitting into some prescriptive
formula. I too remember MacLiammoir with affection; he and Hilton Edwards
were 'out' before the term was even invented. That said, being gay was OK,
even in Ireland of the 1960s, if you were in the theatre; let's not forget
the vicious intolerance of the time in other respects.

Sean Mac Stiofain, onetime chief of the IRA, was another matter. A cold
killer, with no connection to Ireland, presumably venting some childhood
psychosis on the English people.

Piaras

-----Original Message-----
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To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

Not only was he not born in Ireland - he had no apparent Irish
ancestry. He was born English of English parents with no connection to
Ireland. But he adopted Ireland in his late teens and "invented" an
Irish language name from his real name, Willmore. When I was growing up
in Dublin McL was frequently seen about town, in Bewleys, near the Gate
and always spoke with a commanding voice - often in Irish. Fooled
everyone for a very long time. Wilde would have loved it. I do.

Carmel

p.maume[at]QUB.AC.UK wrote:
> From: Patrick Maume
> Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland
doesn't
> mean that he wasn't Irish?
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk] On
> Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan
> Sent: 16 October 2006 16:12
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
>
> Alas, Liam...
>
> Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.
>
> He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years
ago.
>
> For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick
Hern
> Books, 1994.
>
> Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.
>
> See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.
>
> Paddy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf Of Liam Clarke
> Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> To the list
>
> Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry
>
> Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive
spelled
> that right)
>
> Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??
>
>
> Liam Clarke
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's
> birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for
> facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.
>
> Carmel
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
> .
>
>

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I think my question: 'has ever an irish actor played him' stemmed from
my notion (misplaced) that he had been 'covered' by actors at least
identified as english because that was closer to Wilde: I had always
seen Wilde as the epitome of a certain kind of englishman. I am of
course as apprehensive as anyone else in prescribing characteristics of
Irish etc but the notion of acting a role and what that means (and
requires)I thought was intersting: it certainly is a much wider issues
than I thought!=20

By the way, Ive met - having lived my adult life in England - my fair
share of personages crossing over but in an opposite direction to
MacLiammoir!! Some very good at it as well.


Liam Clarke =20

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of MacEinri, Piaras
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:05 AM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

I agree with Carmel on this one. In the end of the day identity is
ascriptive - chosen - and not a matter of fitting into some prescriptive
formula. I too remember MacLiammoir with affection; he and Hilton
Edwards were 'out' before the term was even invented. That said, being
gay was OK, even in Ireland of the 1960s, if you were in the theatre;
let's not forget the vicious intolerance of the time in other respects.=20

Sean Mac Stiofain, onetime chief of the IRA, was another matter. A cold
killer, with no connection to Ireland, presumably venting some childhood
psychosis on the English people.=20

Piaras

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: 10/16/2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

Not only was he not born in Ireland - he had no apparent Irish ancestry.
He was born English of English parents with no connection to Ireland.
But he adopted Ireland in his late teens and "invented" an Irish
language name from his real name, Willmore. When I was growing up in
Dublin McL was frequently seen about town, in Bewleys, near the Gate and
always spoke with a commanding voice - often in Irish. Fooled everyone
for a very long time. Wilde would have loved it. I do.

Carmel

p.maume[at]QUB.AC.UK wrote:
> From: Patrick Maume
> Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland
doesn't
> mean that he wasn't Irish?
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk] On=20
> Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan
> Sent: 16 October 2006 16:12
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
>
> Alas, Liam...
>
> Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.
>
> He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years
ago.
>
> For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick
Hern
> Books, 1994.
>
> Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.
>
> See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.
>
> Paddy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On=20
> Behalf Of Liam Clarke
> Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> To the list
>
> Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry
>
> Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive
spelled
> that right)
>
> Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??
>
>
> Liam Clarke
>
> =20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On=20
> Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
>
> I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's=20
> birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for=20
> facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.
>
> Carmel
>
>
> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>
> .
>
> =20

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Other Irish actors who have played Wilde: Alan Stanford, Niall Buggy, =
Seamus Moran, Stanley Townsend, Robert O'Mahony...

David Rose

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Email Patrick O'Sullivan


IRISH EDUCATIONAL STUDIES
VOL 25; NUMB 3; 2006
ISSN 0032-3315

pp. 257-258
Editorial.

pp. 259-273
Gender differences in entrance patterns and awards in initial teacher
education.
Drudy, S.

pp. 275-287
Beginning primary teachers and children with mild learning difficulties.
Gash, H.

pp. 289-302
Comparing children's and student teachers ideas about science concepts.
Kerr, K.; Beggs, J.; Murphy, C.

pp. 303-319
Improving a mathematical key skill using precision teaching.
Gallagher, E.

pp. 321-335
Changing practices for a global society: voices of students, teachers,
principals and university teacher educators on active learning.
McMorrow, U.

pp. 337-341
BOOK REVIEW.
O Brien, M.

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Dear Friends,

Can anyone give me some insight on tipping in Ireland? I am particularly in=
terested in which positions in the service industries customarily receive t=
ips--wait staff, bartenders, cabdrivers, hotel staff--and how one determine=
s the amount and in some cases frequency of the tip. Thanks for your help.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English
Marquette University

=20

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Liam

'Crossing over' may not be the most advisable term to use here, given the Wildean context, but you are quite right: there have been many more examples of this phenomenon in the form of Irishmen (and some women) becoming 'more English than the English' than the reverse, but whether this constitutes 'a long and HONOURABLE tradition' or not is a moot point.

We do, however, have more than our share of 'Tudor Lawns' 'Bentley Downs' etc. amongst the rash of newly built Palazzi Gombeeni throughout Ireland, each sporting twin paddocks, ponies,swimming pools and wrought iron security gates. Wilde would have a field day...

Ultan



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Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland
mean that he wasn't Irish?
Best wishes,
Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk] On=20
Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan
Sent: 16 October 2006 16:12
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day


Alas, Liam...

Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.

He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years

For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick
Books, 1994.

Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.

See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.

Paddy


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From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On=20
Behalf Of Liam Clarke
Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

To the list

Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry

Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive
that right)

Perhaps it has to be an English actooor??


Liam Clarke

=20

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From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On=20
Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:16 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day - Oscar's=20
birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora list for=20
facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.

Carmel


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Subject: Celtic Studies Annual conference, Toronto,
"Irish Nationalism in Canada"
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CELTIC STUDIES ANNUAL CONFERENCE

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2006
9 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Room 400, Alumni Hall, St. Michael's College,University of Toronto,
121 St. Joseph Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

"Irish Nationalism in Canada"

Speakers include: Peter Toner, Mark McGowan, Fred McEvoy, Rosalyn
Trigger, Sean Farrell, David Wilson, Jason King, Garth Stevenson.
Closing commentary by Donald Harman Akenson.

Registration fee: $30.00 (students free but please register)

Full program and printable registration form available at:

http://www.utoronto.ca/stmikes/celticstudies/events.html

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From a sociological point of view this is a more interesting inquiry that it
might at first seem. Like everything in the fluctuating sociology lab that
is present day Ireland tipping is a practice undergoing rapid change.

There was a time when Ireland was a bit like the old Soviet Union where
outside of the hotels for foreign visitors the very idea of a tip would have
been an anathema, but as the nation has become more culturally diverse and
more of the lower paid jobs are being done by foreigners, tipping has
gradually seeped into the mainstream.

In pubs it is not customary to tip bar staff and there was a time when the
attempt to do so would be bluntly snubbed. Barmen were regarded as skilled
employees and well paid by working class standards and tipping was regarded
as demeaning. However, as pubs in Dublin have become de-unionised, the work
de-skilled (the traditional bar apprenticeship has all but vanished) and
non-indigenous bar staff recruited, tipping appears to be becoming more
acceptable. It would still not be customary in Dublin pubs, however.

You would however tip the lounge servers who were usually teenagers who
brought drink from the bar to the tables. These too are a vanished group due
to changes in the licensing laws and have been largely replaced in Dublin by
Chinese and eastern Europeans. Depending on the round 50 cents to a Euro
for each trip to your table would be the norm.

In restaurants we are increasingly seeing the rise of the 'service charge'
but a tip between 10 and 15% is usually acceptable. When paying by credit
card it is advisable not to add in the tip, but to give the tip in cash to
the waiting staff directly because their gombeen employers are almost
certain to pocket the gratuity for themselves.

As for taxis, tipping would not be the norm if you're a native but often
expected if you're not. The irony is, in Dublin at least, if you're not
native to the city the chances are you've been given the scenic ride to your
destination so the expectation of a tip is merely adding insult to injury.
In the former case, the taxi driver will often round down the fare to the
nearest Euro if he likes you, a phenomenon unheard of anywhere else in the
developed world.

A new phenomenon over the last few years is that of the 'black man in the
bathroom'. Many of the more upmarket late bars and nightclubs allow Africans
to provide hand-towels, aftershave and other toiletries at their own expense
to customers using the lavatory. These poor souls stand around nightclub
toilets until the early hours of the morning offering grooming aids to
increasingly drunken young men in exchange for a bit of loose change.
Alcohol, guilt and embarrassment seem to be the motivating factors for
tipping and determining the quantum here.

The rise of tipping in Ireland seems to have accompanied the de-skilling and
de-regulation of many jobs, most notably bar staff and taxi-drivers.
Unionised bars are fast becoming a memory in Dublin and taxi-drivers seem to
have been a particular target for free-marketeers within the current
administration.

Anyway hope this helps

Liam




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From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf
Of Gillespie, Michael
Sent: 17 October 2006 22:12
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] Tipping in Ireland

Dear Friends,

Can anyone give me some insight on tipping in Ireland? I am particularly
interested in which positions in the service industries customarily receive
tips--wait staff, bartenders, cabdrivers, hotel staff--and how one
determines the amount and in some cases frequency of the tip. Thanks for
your help.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English
Marquette University

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Subject: CFP Seeing Things: Irish Studies and Visual Culture, Limerick,
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Forwarded on behalf of
Dr Kate Boulay, Department of Languages and Cultural
Studies, University of Limerick, Ireland. Kate.Boulay_at_ul.ie

Call for Papers - Seeing Things: Irish Studies and Visual Culture

Proposals are invited for Seeing Things: Irish Studies and Visual
Culture, an interdisciplinary visual cultural studies conference to be
hosted at the University of Limerick in June 2007. This three day
international event will bring together a wide range of scholars and
practitioners working with and across different media, including
photography, sculpture, art history, film, digital culture, animation,
popular visual art, printing, historiography, gender studies, literary
studies, among others, and who address the intersection(s) of the visual
register and Ireland.

Seeing Things aims to map the state of visual
cultural studies on the island of Ireland and across various borders. In
so doing it will provide academics and practitioners the opportunity to
showcase and engage with contemporary efforts to address key issues
relating to visuality in the context of concern with notions and
problematics of Ireland and Irishness. It is expected that selected
conference papers will be collected in an edited volume. In addition to
this, issues raised and work presented in the forum will also provide
the basis for the launch of a new journal to be housed at University of
Limerick, Irish Visual Cultural Studies.

At present, there are an ever-increasing number of scholars and
practitioners located both within and without Ireland who are concerned
with visual cultural studies in a fully or partially Irish context.
However, given the comparatively recent emergence of visual cultural
studies as a transdisciplinary formation together with the fact that
scholars and practitioners are scattered throughout the island - and
beyond - there is little overall sense of the types of questions being
raised and interventions being made. Hence, there is little overall
knowledge of the ways in which an expanding intellectual formation is
gradually being written into Irish culture and society and little sense
of the ways in which formations of Irishness and material conditions
existing within contemporary Ireland have inflected this formation.
Therefore, the goal of Seeing Things is to provide a space in which
scholars, practitioners and other interested parties can begin to
address these and related issues.

Abstract submissions to be sent via email by January 31st 2007 and
should be 300/400 words in length

Contact Details: Dr Kate Boulay, Department of Languages and Cultural
Studies, University of Limerick, Ireland. Kate.Boulay_at_ul.ie
Dr E=F3in Flannery, Department of Languages and Cultural Studies,
University of Limerick, Ireland. Eoin Flannery_at_ul.ie

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Ultan

Perhaps my 'crossing over' was a Freudian slip on my part

I have in any event now discovered that of course Macliammor did his
famous one man show on Oscar so that you have one pretender playing
another =20


I am not so confident about what - essentially - seperates me from 'the
English'. I still insist on being an immigrant and do not seek the
mantle of Britishness much less englishness but I also identify with
lots of other stuff too. =20

From some of Ultan's descriptions I am onot the only one puzzled about
who or what I am!

Thanks to the list for all the answers about Oscar and his
impersonators.

Laim Clarke
=20
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From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Ultan Cowley
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:21 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day

Liam

'Crossing over' may not be the most advisable term to use here,
given the Wildean context, but you are quite right: there have been many
more examples of this phenomenon in the form of Irishmen (and some
women) becoming 'more English than the English' than the reverse, but
whether this constitutes 'a long and HONOURABLE tradition' or not is a
moot point.=20

We do, however, have more than our share of 'Tudor Lawns' 'Bentley
Downs' etc. amongst the rash of newly built Palazzi Gombeeni throughout
Ireland, each sporting twin paddocks, ponies,swimming pools and wrought
iron security gates. Wilde would have a field day... =20

Ultan



The Irish Diaspora Studies List wrote:

From: Patrick Maume
Surely the fact that Micheal MacLiammoir wasn't born in Ireland mean that he wasn't Irish?
Best wishes,
Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk]
On=3D20 Behalf Of Patrick O'Sullivan Sent: 16 October 2006 =
16:12
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day Alas, Liam...

Micheal MacLiammoir was not Irish.

He was listed in an IR-D discussion of pretend-Irishmen some years

For background see Fitz-Simon, Christopher. The boys. London: Nick
Books, 1994.

Another p-I on our list was Patrick O'Brian.

See Dean King, Patrick O'Brian, A Life revealed, 2000.

Paddy


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From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK]
On=3D20 Behalf Of Liam Clarke Sent: 16 October 2006 15:40
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [IR-D] A Wilde Day
To the list Robert Morley, Peter Finch, Stephen Fry
Has ever an Irish actor played Oscar? MacLiammoir maybe (if Ive that right) Perhaps it has to be an English
actooor??


Liam Clarke

=3D20

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK]
On=3D20 Behalf Of Carmel McCaffrey Sent: Monday, October 16,
2006 2:16 PM To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [IR-D] A Wilde
Day I just want to send greetings to all Wildeans on this day
- Oscar's=3D20 birthday. Also thanks to the Paddy and the Diaspora
list for=3D20 facilitating the Oscholars and giving access to data.

Carmel


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Subject: Workshop, Emotional interaction: migrants and local communities,
Belfast
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We have been asked to circulate details of this workshop.

Any queries, contact m.svasek[at]qub.ac.uk.
=A0
Workshop=20
=A0
Emotional interaction:
migrants and local communities
=A0
Programme
=A0
If you would like to participate, please contact m.svasek[at]qub.ac.uk
=A0
=A0
Friday 17 November=20
Location: Queens University Belfast, Peter Froggatt Centre, Room 307
=A0
=A0
9.30=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Coffee=20
=A0
10.00 Welcome=20
=A0
10.10 - 10.30=A0 Maru=B9ka Sva=B9ek
School of History and Anthropology, Queens University Belfast
Introduction: Human mobility and emotional interaction
=A0
10.30 - 11.15=A0=A0 Kay Milton
School of History and Anthropology, Queens University Belfast
Theorizing emotions and connections to migration
=A0
11.15- 12.00=A0 Colin Wayne Leach
Dept. of Psychology, University of Sussex
Migrant emotions in the context of changing status positions
=A0
12.00 - 13.30 Lunch=20
=A0
13.30 - 14.15=A0 =A0Aleksandra=A0 Galasinska
European Studies, History and Governance Research Institute,=20
University of Wolverhampton
Gossiping in the Polish Club. An emotional coexistence of 'old' and =
'new'
migrants
=A0
14.15 - 15.00 Katy Radford
Irish School of Ecumenics, Trinity College Dublin=20
Dealing with death. Interactions between migrants and local communities
=A0
15.00 - 15.30 Coffee
=A0
15.30 - 16.15 William O'Reilly
Centre for History and Economics, King's College Cambridge
Emotional dynamics of migration in the Atlantic world and to Eastern =
Europe
=A0
16.15 - 17.00 Maciek Bator
Polish Association of Northern Ireland
Polish migrant experiences in Northern Ireland
=A0
=A0
Move to the Performance Room, 13 University Square
=A0
17.15 =A0Paulo Sousa=20
Institute of Cognition and Culture / School of History and Anthropology, =

Queens University Belfast
Poetry Performance
=A0
17.30 drinks
=A0
19.00 Dinner=20
=A0
=A0
Saturday 18 November
Location: Queens University Belfast, Peter Froggatt Centre, Room 302
=A0
=A0
9.00 - 9.45=A0 Claire Healy
Immigrant Council of Ireland/National University of Ireland, Galway.
Reception and Perceptions of Newcomers in Ireland since 1996
=A0
9.45 - 10.30=A0 Alex Hall
Department of Sociological Studies, University of Sheffield
Empathy and morality in a British Immigration Removal Centre
=A0
10.30 - 11.15 Coffee
=A0
11.15- 12.00 Johanne Devlin Trew
Centre for Migration Studies/School of History and Anthropology,=20
Queens University Belfast
Migration and return: issues of identity and belonging among Protestants
from Northern Ireland
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=A0
12.00 - 12.15 Final comments
=A0
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12.30 - 13.30 Lunch
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From: Bruce Stewart
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I watched The Departed the other night in a cinema in Northern Ireland -
the latest Scorsese is a 'must see' for me - and was not disappointed.
All the dark ingredients are there and likewise the interplay between
visceral physicality (mostly violence) and a well-stitched intellectual
fabric. By that I mean the compelling idea that 'the Irish are immune to
psychoanalysis' (Freud quote of the year) which gives pertinence to the
exploitation of a female psychoanalist as the go-between and ultimate
victim of the Irish lads respective blood-and-mire complexities.=20

My companion of the evening pointed out with feminine distain that
Farmiga was a little old to be successful with the young bucks (rookies,
actually) who supplied the plot-line but in a fold-together way they
worked a near perfect Rorchstadt, at least for traumaturgic purposes.
There was an air of Spanish Tragedy about the whole which raised it
above common cop movie.=20

At the same time, it did topple a little into cut-out melodrama - the
falling body of Martin Sheen's character was boundlessly dramatic and
then suddenly limply iconic. The hunting down of Nicholson at the end,
and his Count Dracula-type demise - all bloody gob and unkillability in
his JCB-scoop death-bed - was premised on the idea that the cops a
hundred yards away were suddenly striken with Meniere's disease and
couldn't hear a virtual symphony of gun-shots.=20

Genre is the dominant mode of the movie and once one settles into that,
the question of the interchangeability of Irish and Italian mobs becomes
virtually theoretical - with the difference that 'Irish' is a licence to
prate about choir boys and paedophiles and (more importantly) that Irish
are by definition cops and robbers (both). The man with the Glasgow
accent mentioned somewhere was surely intended to be an IRA man, for
added topicality. His absorption into a criminal gang represents a
rather cant judgement on that force, notwithstanding their capacity to
disgrace themselves.=20

Let me add one more thing: I found the climax anti-climactic (barring a
gun-blast through the head) and the way Matt Dillon talked his way out
of the blood boltered shambles in the lift unconvincing. I suppose the
cops did too since his assassin seemed to be a deputy of theirs, albeit
with mask and cotton oversocks. Matt Dillon said 'Okay' - meaning,
presumably, 'fair cop'. Notice the lady on the landing repulsed his
friendly approaches to her dog: did everyone suspect him at that stage?
A pariah in the making. Not so at the funeral.=20

diCapri was thoroughly engaging, Dillon merely passable. Reflections on
his momentary impotence were only bettered (worsened?) by daft thing
Farmiga had to say about the gender of the incipient Irishman she was
carrying in her tummy, and who became the ultimate legatee of the
unanalysable complexities of the Boston Irish (mar yah). Taking this all
together, a good film but a bit of a hype where ethnicity is concerned:
the stereotype talking back to the contemporary reality with a
distinctly stage-Irish brogue. More Boucicault than Eugene O'Neill. Long
live the Shaughran!

Bruce

Dr. Bruce Stewart
Languages & Lit.
University of Ulster
Coleraine, Co. Derry
N. Ireland BT52 1SA
02870324355 off.
=20


-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Peter Hart
Sent: 10 October 2006 20:54
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Departed


I believe there have been quite a few movies set among Irish-American
gangs, none of them very good. 'State of Grace' with Gary Oldman comes
to mind, as does 'Mystic River', which stresses the insularity of the
Irish community and its criminals. Apart from the terrible performance
by Sean Penn which so marred the film (and got bizarrely rewarded), the
movie also missed much of the point of the book, which was about class,
and conflicts within the community,, as exemplified by the ganster and
the cop.

But others I'm sure can tell you much more on this subject.

Peter Hart


On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> From: ciaran ward [mailto:ciaranward[at]hotmail.com]
> List - "The Departed"
>
> I recently saw The Departed, a cops=A0and gangsters film=A0by Martin=20
> Scorsese set=A0in the criminal underworld of Boston's Irish =
community.=A0=20
> It's an entertaining=A0thriller in its own right, but the background =
of=20
> the Boston Irish community makes it interesting.=A0 Films of this =
genre=20
> are more commonly set in=A0New York's Italian communities, familiar=20
> territory for both Scorsese and many of the actors he tends to =
cast.=A0=20
> Why he chose to transplant it to the Boston-Irish community is open to

> speculation, but may stem from complaints from Italian-American lobby=20
> groups about stereotyping.
> =A0
> One of the recurring themes of the film is the concept of immigrants=20
> trying to better themselves by climbing the social ladder.=A0 It is=20
> suggested that the priesthood,the police=A0and=A0criminality all offer =

> escape routes from poverty - a theme common to both=A0Irish and=A0
> Italian-American communities as depicted in popular culture=A0- but =
the=20
> distinction between the three occupations is portrayed as somewhat=20
> blurred with corrupt elements existing with the church and the
police.=A0=20
> Other films exploring such themes include Goodfellas, Godfather and=20
> Sleepers.=A0 The influence of the Catholic church is also evident.=A0 =
An=20
> early=A0scene depicts one of the main characters as an altar boy in =
his=20
> youth and later on Costello, the gangster chief played by Jack=20
> Nicholson appears to be extorting money from a priest in return for=20
> keeping quiet about alleged paedophile activities.
> =A0
> The theme of ethnic identity is also touched upon.=A0 Although several =

> generations removed from the old country with ancestry going back over

> 150 years - and with possibly no surviving links to the motherland -=20
> the protagonists=A0with names like Costello, Sullivan and Costigan are =

> decribed as "Irish" in a nominal sense, suggesting a tight-knit=20
> community which has remained static over the years.=A0 One of the =
minor=20
> characters appears to have a Glasgow accent, suggesting a=20
> Glasgow-Irish background.
> =A0
> My knowlegde of other films dealing with similar themes is limited,=20
> but Primal Fear starring Richard Gere and Edward Norton and The=20
> Devil's Own with Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt immediately spring to=20
> mind.
> =A0
> I would be interested to hear any other list members' comments on the=20
> above and would be grateful if anyone could fill me in on=20
> films/novels/plays/general popular culture=A0about Irish American=20
> communities (particularly on the east coast)=A0or academic studies on=20
> the subject.
> =A0
> I have also reviewed the film on my website and would welcome any=A0
> comments.
> =A0
> http://thelonglane.blogspot.com/2006/10/departed.html
> =A0
> Many thanks.
> =A0
> Ciaran Ward
> =A0
> ciaranward[at]hotmail.com
> =A0
> =A0
>

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Subject: Postgraduate Irish Studies Conference, BATH SPA UNIVERSITY, 18
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Subject: Postgraduate Irish Studies Conference.

SECOND ANNUAL POSTGRADUATE IRISH STUDIES CONFERENCE

BATH SPA UNIVERSITY

NEWTON PARK CAMPUS, 18 NOVEMBER 2006

Please see below the conference programme details for the forthcoming
postgraduate Irish Studies conference at Bath Spa.

Registration... Contact
Dr Brian Griffin,
Irish Studies Centre coordinator,
c/o History Department,
Bath Spa University,
Newton Park campus,
Bath BA2 9BN



Conference programme

9.00-9.30 Registration, Newton Foyer

9.30-11.00 Parallel Sessions

Session A: Newton G02

Nineteenth Century

Hiromi Kouno (University of Nottingham): =91Lady Wilde: An Irish =
Nationalist
in London=92

Claire Boylan (University of Oxford): =91Archbishop Richard Whateley and =
the
Secular Gospel of Political Economy=92

Nicola Morris (University of Liverpool): =91=94Nothing But a Brilliant =
Failure=94:
Methodist Reaction to the First Home Rule Bill=92


Session B: Stanton G01

Early Twentieth Century

Darya Protopopova (University of Oxford): =91James Joyce and Early
Psychoanalysis=92

Keiron Curtis (University of Cardiff): =91Sinn F=E9in and the =
Construction of
National Identity=92

Lauren Arrington (University of Oxford): =91Staging the Hunger Strikes: =
The
Revolutionist and The King=92s Threshold at the Abbey Theatre, 1921=92

11.00-11.15 Tea/coffee

11.15-12.45 Session C: SNG.01

Ireland from the 1920s to the 1950s

Erika Hanna (University of Bristol): The Memory of the First World War =
in
the Irish Free State 1919-1940: The Construction of the Irish National =
War
Memorial=92

Anthea Cordner (University of Newcastle): =91Stones and Ice Cream: An
Exploration of World War II Belfast in Beckett and Moore=92

Claire Lynch (University of Oxford): =91Based on a True Story? Irish
Autobiographies Adapted for Film=92

12.45-1.45 Lunch

1.45-3.15 Parallel Sessions

Session D: SNG01

McCabe and Carr=20

Gillian Kerr (University of Exeter): =91Patrick McCabe=92s =
Representations of
the Grotesque in =93the Brave New World=94 of Ireland since the =
=9160s=92

Lynne Crook (University of Lancaster): =91Borderline Laughter: The Use =
of
Comedy in the Work of Patrick McCabe=92

Margaret Maxwell (University of Aberdeen): =91=94Spoken Out of Loss=94: =
The
Lacanian Subject of Desire and the =93Defile of Speech=94 in Marina =
Carr=92s Low
in the Dark=92

Session E: Newton G02

Critiques of Celtic Tiger Ireland

Stefanie Lehner (University of Edinburgh): =91=94Unremembering =
Histories=94:
Traumatic Herstories in Contemporary Ireland=92

Matt Maguire (University of Edinburgh): =91Race and Class in the =
Contemporary
Republic of Ireland=92

Michael Murphy (Bath Spa University): =91Ireland=92s Transformed Economy =
and
Sustainable Growth Prospects=92

3.15-3.30 Tea/coffee


3.30-5.00 Session F: Stanton G01

Irish Writing and the Troubles


Michela Dettori (Queen=92s University of Belfast): =91Mourning the =
North: The
Troubles and the Northern Irish Elegy=92

Maria Zietek (University of Manchester): =91Ciaran Carson=92s =
Trajectory:
Belfast in Other Wor(l)ds=92

Caroline Magennis (Queen=92s University of Belfast): =91=94I=92m Toxic, =
Necrotic and
Inflamed=94: The Body Abject in Robert McLiam Wilson=92s Ripley Bogle=92 =

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1.
From time to time you, an IR-D member, might have the experience of sending
a message to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, and then finding that your message does
not turn up in your Inbox when distributed.

Why has this happened? Was your message not distributed to the membership
of IR-D? What should you do about this?

Well, ideally what you should NOT do is fire off an angry email to me,
accusing me of censorship or laziness. I can indeed be censorious, and
lazy...

But in fact the message was distributed...

What has happened is that you have your personal preferences at Jiscmail set
up so that you do NOT receive copies of your own messages to IR-D.

I know, I know... You have done no such thing...

But you have - because that is the default situation, as I discovered when I
moved all the IR-D email addresses to Jiscmail. And I could not be bothered
going through 200 individual email addresses changing things one by one...

You see, lazy. But not censorious...

If you want to receive copies of your own IR-D messages, log in to Jiscmail,
and change your preferences...

Or badger me to do it...

Whichever is easier...

2.
Alert members of IR-D will have noticed that I have solve that little glitch
whereby when you hit REPLY to an IR-D message the Reply did not go to
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, but to the original sender of the message.

Some months ago I explored every part of the plumbing of the Jiscmail
flavour of Listserv, pulled plungers and turned taps. And eventually found
the right one.

Every solution creates its own problems...

Now we have the opposite problem - when you hit REPLY to an IR-D message the
Reply will go to IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK, NOT to the original sender of the
message. Please take care...

Paddy

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From: Patrick Maume
A few comments on this
The cinema images of Irish and Italian mobs are not in fact
interchangeable; Irish gansters are stereotypically portrayed as less
organised and hierarchical than the Italians, and more inclined to
sudden swings between maudlin buddy-buddy sentimentality and extreme
unpremeditated violence. (This is probably less marked with Scorsese
because he emphasises gangster violence anyway - in GOODFELLAS the
Italian mobster played by Joe Pesci and his Irish-Italian pal played by
de Niro are pretty much indistinguishable in this respect. Since the
film is based on a memoir written by the character played by Ray Liotta,
Liotta is always the one guarding the door while the others are engaged
in the really nasty stuff.)
Surely it is not the case that Farmigia is successful with the Damon
and Di Caprio characters, but that they are successful with her (they
both make the first move). The real male fantasy figure in the film is
the Nicholson character's mistress (an Irish-american redhead called
Carmel, whom we first see him cultivating, when she is in her early
teens, in the same sequence where he is recruiting the young Damon).
She seems to be completely & happily subservient to Nicholson's every
wish. (The Farmigia character is a merger of two separate characters -
the crooked policeman's girlfriend and the undercover cop's psychiatrist
- in the original Chinese film on which this is based. In the two
sequels, which I haven't seen, it transpires that the cop's girlfriend
is the gang leader's former mistress, so perhaps Carmel represents a
splitting-off of this aspect of the character.)
The blunders of the climax are due to Scorsese (or the scriptwriters)
making various changes to try to "up the ante" on the original INFERNAL
AFFAIRS. Amongst other things (a)In the original film the Damon
character is really repentant - his secret is never discovered and his
punishment is to live with his guilt over what he has done. In THE
DEPARTED he is only out to save his own hide. (The changed ending, I
suspect, is due to the "Hollywood ending" factor - the expectation is
that the bad guy must be visibly seen to pay.) =20
(b)In the original only one cop (the second mole) follows them to the
climactic meeting, and the Di Caprio character is killed by him at the
top of the lift. This means that anyone who has seen the original will
think the cop who appears on the roof is the mole and expect di Caprio
to be killed on the top floor - the introduction of the second cop in
THE DEPARTED is meant to surprise such people.
(c)In the original the undercover cop is earlier seen stealing one tape
of a conversation between the gangboss and the mole - this is all he
has, he carries it on him, and it is consequently fairly easily disposed
of by the second mole. In THE DEPARTED there is no dramatic preparation
for the introduction of the tape, nor is there any explanation of how
the second mole managed to track down and dispose of what appears to be
a large body of material incriminating Damon.
(d) In the original there is only one cop who knows the undercover
agent's true identity and he is killed by the gangsters under the same
circumstaces as the Martin Sheen character - hence the mole is able to
erase the undercover's identity by deleting his computer file. The
presence of two cops who know the secret in THE DEPARTED makes it
difficult to explain why Damon thinks he can get away with it by erasing
the dossier (even though Dignam has been suspended and nobody knows
where he is, how could Damon know he wouldn't turn up and reveal the
truth?)
The point about the Nicholson character is that he is more or less
literally equated with the Devil. (There are various suggestions to this
effect; one particularly subtle one which nobody seems to have picked up
is that at the start of the film, when he is convincing Damon that the
Church is a hypocritical waste of time, he quotes Joyce's "non serviam".
This quote is so associated with Joyce that we tend to forget that in
the Bible, where Joyce gets it from, it is specifically attributed to
the Devil.) The implication appears to be that in the world of the film
the moral downfall of the Church makes it hard to believe in God and
goodness, but that the image of the Devil (or at least the idea that
outside the Church and its rules there is nothing but radical evil)
retains its power. Your attitude to the movie will be affected by how
convincing you find this idea - but remember Scorsese is an operatic
director whose style involves a certain exaggeration of emotion.
Damon's assassin was fairly clearly supposed to be acting as a "rogue
cop" at this stage - he has already been suspended and has been shown
throughout the film as a man consumed by anger.

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk] On
Behalf Of Bruce Stewart
Sent: 19 October 2006 14:28
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Departed


I watched The Departed the other night in a cinema in Northern Ireland -
the latest Scorsese is a 'must see' for me - and was not disappointed.
All the dark ingredients are there and likewise the interplay between
visceral physicality (mostly violence) and a well-stitched intellectual
fabric. By that I mean the compelling idea that 'the Irish are immune to
psychoanalysis' (Freud quote of the year) which gives pertinence to the
exploitation of a female psychoanalist as the go-between and ultimate
victim of the Irish lads respective blood-and-mire complexities.=20

My companion of the evening pointed out with feminine distain that
Farmiga was a little old to be successful with the young bucks (rookies,
actually) who supplied the plot-line but in a fold-together way they
worked a near perfect Rorchstadt, at least for traumaturgic purposes.
There was an air of Spanish Tragedy about the whole which raised it
above common cop movie.=20

At the same time, it did topple a little into cut-out melodrama - the
falling body of Martin Sheen's character was boundlessly dramatic and
then suddenly limply iconic. The hunting down of Nicholson at the end,
and his Count Dracula-type demise - all bloody gob and unkillability in
his JCB-scoop death-bed - was premised on the idea that the cops a
hundred yards away were suddenly striken with Meniere's disease and
couldn't hear a virtual symphony of gun-shots.=20

Genre is the dominant mode of the movie and once one settles into that,
the question of the interchangeability of Irish and Italian mobs becomes
virtually theoretical - with the difference that 'Irish' is a licence to
prate about choir boys and paedophiles and (more importantly) that Irish
are by definition cops and robbers (both). The man with the Glasgow
accent mentioned somewhere was surely intended to be an IRA man, for
added topicality. His absorption into a criminal gang represents a
rather cant judgement on that force, notwithstanding their capacity to
disgrace themselves.=20

Let me add one more thing: I found the climax anti-climactic (barring a
gun-blast through the head) and the way Matt Dillon talked his way out
of the blood boltered shambles in the lift unconvincing. I suppose the
cops did too since his assassin seemed to be a deputy of theirs, albeit
with mask and cotton oversocks. Matt Dillon said 'Okay' - meaning,
presumably, 'fair cop'. Notice the lady on the landing repulsed his
friendly approaches to her dog: did everyone suspect him at that stage?
A pariah in the making. Not so at the funeral.=20

diCapri was thoroughly engaging, Dillon merely passable. Reflections on
his momentary impotence were only bettered (worsened?) by daft thing
Farmiga had to say about the gender of the incipient Irishman she was
carrying in her tummy, and who became the ultimate legatee of the
unanalysable complexities of the Boston Irish (mar yah). Taking this all
together, a good film but a bit of a hype where ethnicity is concerned:
the stereotype talking back to the contemporary reality with a
distinctly stage-Irish brogue. More Boucicault than Eugene O'Neill. Long
live the Shaughran!

Bruce

Dr. Bruce Stewart
Languages & Lit.
University of Ulster
Coleraine, Co. Derry
N. Ireland BT52 1SA
02870324355 off.
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-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
Behalf Of Peter Hart
Sent: 10 October 2006 20:54
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Departed


I believe there have been quite a few movies set among Irish-American
gangs, none of them very good. 'State of Grace' with Gary Oldman comes
to mind, as does 'Mystic River', which stresses the insularity of the
Irish community and its criminals. Apart from the terrible performance
by Sean Penn which so marred the film (and got bizarrely rewarded), the
movie also missed much of the point of the book, which was about class,
and conflicts within the community,, as exemplified by the ganster and
the cop.

But others I'm sure can tell you much more on this subject.

Peter Hart


On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> From: ciaran ward [mailto:ciaranward[at]hotmail.com]
> List - "The Departed"
>
> I recently saw The Departed, a cops=A0and gangsters film=A0by Martin
> Scorsese set=A0in the criminal underworld of Boston's Irish =
community.=A0=20
> It's an entertaining=A0thriller in its own right, but the background =
of=20
> the Boston Irish community makes it interesting.=A0 Films of this =
genre=20
> are more commonly set in=A0New York's Italian communities, familiar=20
> territory for both Scorsese and many of the actors he tends to =
cast.=A0=20
> Why he chose to transplant it to the Boston-Irish community is open to

> speculation, but may stem from complaints from Italian-American lobby
> groups about stereotyping.
> =A0
> One of the recurring themes of the film is the concept of immigrants
> trying to better themselves by climbing the social ladder.=A0 It is=20
> suggested that the priesthood,the police=A0and=A0criminality all offer =

> escape routes from poverty - a theme common to both=A0Irish and=A0
> Italian-American communities as depicted in popular culture=A0- but =
the=20
> distinction between the three occupations is portrayed as somewhat=20
> blurred with corrupt elements existing with the church and the
police.=A0=20
> Other films exploring such themes include Goodfellas, Godfather and
> Sleepers.=A0 The influence of the Catholic church is also evident.=A0 =
An=20
> early=A0scene depicts one of the main characters as an altar boy in =
his=20
> youth and later on Costello, the gangster chief played by Jack=20
> Nicholson appears to be extorting money from a priest in return for=20
> keeping quiet about alleged paedophile activities.
> =A0
> The theme of ethnic identity is also touched upon.=A0 Although several
> generations removed from the old country with ancestry going back over

> 150 years - and with possibly no surviving links to the motherland -
> the protagonists=A0with names like Costello, Sullivan and Costigan are =

> decribed as "Irish" in a nominal sense, suggesting a tight-knit=20
> community which has remained static over the years.=A0 One of the =
minor=20
> characters appears to have a Glasgow accent, suggesting a=20
> Glasgow-Irish background.
> =A0
> My knowlegde of other films dealing with similar themes is limited,
> but Primal Fear starring Richard Gere and Edward Norton and The=20
> Devil's Own with Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt immediately spring to=20
> mind.
> =A0
> I would be interested to hear any other list members' comments on the
> above and would be grateful if anyone could fill me in on=20
> films/novels/plays/general popular culture=A0about Irish American=20
> communities (particularly on the east coast)=A0or academic studies on=20
> the subject.
> =A0
> I have also reviewed the film on my website and would welcome any
> comments.
> =A0
> http://thelonglane.blogspot.com/2006/10/departed.html
> =A0
> Many thanks.
> =A0
> Ciaran Ward
> =A0
> ciaranward[at]hotmail.com
> =A0
> =A0
>