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=20
Hi Paddy - this has come to me from another list - I can't really help =
and I was wondering if anyone on your list could offer some ideas?

As always,

Thanks

JIM


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=20
Dear Irish Studies list
=20
Apologies for any cross-posting
=20
I have been approached by a student here in Sligo who is doing a 4th =
year thesis on the role of tea-drinking in residential care
Even though I am pretty familiar with the work on the sociology of food, =
I am stymied on the topic of tea!
Does anybody know of any work that examines the social aspects of =
tea-drinking?
Given its ubiquity in Irish, British and Australasian cultures, it is =
remarkable that there doesn't seem to be anything
(I suspect Japanese, Chinese and Indian tea-drinking is - shall we say - =
another cup of tea!)
Or, more likely, there is material out there, and I don't know about it!
Any help gratefully received :-)
=20
Dr Perry Share
Head of Special Projects
Institute of Technology, Sligo
G1002 Business Innovation Centre
IT Sligo
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Forwarded on behalf of=20
Dr. Eamon Maher,=20
Director,=20
National centre for Franco-Irish Studies,=20
ITT Dublin,=20
Tallaght,

________________________________________

The Association for Franco-Irish Studies
=A0Call for Papers
=A0Modernity and Postmodernity: The Franco-Irish Context
=A03rd Conference of the National Centre for Franco-Irish Studies.
10-11 May, 2007 (Institute of Technology Tallaght)
=A0
Many commentators argue that Ireland became, almost overnight, a =
postmodern
culture.=A0 Given that issues relating to Ireland and modernity are =
still the
subject of intense debate, it is not altogether surprising that there =
has
been comparatively little analysis done on how this situation has come
about. There is much food for reflection, however, and an urgent need =
for
debate, on the impact modernity and postmodernity have had on Irish =
society.
The French, largely as a result of their strong philosophical tradition, =
are
to the forefront when it comes to the analysis of these phenomena and
therefore provide invaluable signposts for Ireland as it attempts to =
come to
grips with their growing influence on Irish society and culture. Most of =
the
main figures associated with modernity and postmodernity are French -
Baudrillard, Lacan, Derrida, Lyotard =96 which is a good reason, if one =
were
needed, to explore the concepts through a Franco-Irish lens.

AFIS is organising a conference on the 10th and 11th of May 2007 in ITT
Dublin (Tallaght) that will study modernity and postmodernity in an =
Irish
context, looking specifically at the French influences on this =
development.=A0
Some of the areas that might be looked at are:

Did Ireland bypass modernism?=20
French Theory and the Irish example=20
Postmodernity and Religion=20
Postmodernity and globalization in an Irish context=20
Modern and postmodern literature=20
The politics of Postmodernity=20

These are only suggested headings and do not seek to be prescriptive. =
Any
other valid areas can also be examined.

Papers in French or English should be of 25 minutes duration and =
abstracts
of no more than 250 words must be submitted by the 2nd of February 2007 =
to:=20
Dr. Eamon Maher,=20
Director,=20
National centre for Franco-Irish Studies,=20
ITT Dublin,=20
Tallaght,=20
Dublin 24.=20
E-mail: eamon.maher[at]ittdublin.ie=20
Phone: + 353 (0)1 4042871.=20

Confirmed Plenary Speakers include:=20
Dr. John McDonagh (MIC/UL)=20
Dr. Brigitte Le Juez (DCU)=20
Mr. Michael D. Higgins, TD (Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht
1993-1997)=20

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ITT Dublin,=20
Tallaght,=20
Dublin 24=20
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The only text I know about is Hoh-cheung Mui and Lorna H. Mui, The =
Management of Monopoly: A Study of the East India Company's Conduct of =
Its Tea Trade, 1784-1833 (1984), but this is more business history than =
anything else. From memory it does deal with the commercial popularity =
of tea drinking but does so mostly in terms of retail outlets.
=20
A quick scan of Amazon offers this by Barbara larsen but I cannot vouch =
for its contents...
Tea leaves: History and delights of tea drinking =
(1999)
=20
Joan
=20
Lecturer in Modern British History
Armstrong Building
University of Newcastle
NE1 7RU
Tel 0191 222 6701
=20
Secretary, Society for the Study of Labour History
www.sslh.org.uk =20

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Hi Paddy - this has come to me from another list - I can't really help =
and I was wondering if anyone on your list could offer some ideas?

As always,

Thanks

JIM


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Subject:

Dear Irish Studies list

Apologies for any cross-posting

I have been approached by a student here in Sligo who is doing a 4th =
year thesis on the role of tea-drinking in residential care
Even though I am pretty familiar with the work on the sociology of food, =
I am stymied on the topic of tea!
Does anybody know of any work that examines the social aspects of =
tea-drinking?
Given its ubiquity in Irish, British and Australasian cultures, it is =
remarkable that there doesn't seem to be anything
(I suspect Japanese, Chinese and Indian tea-drinking is - shall we say - =
another cup of tea!)
Or, more likely, there is material out there, and I don't know about it!
Any help gratefully received :-)

Dr Perry Share
Head of Special Projects
Institute of Technology, Sligo
G1002 Business Innovation Centre
IT Sligo
phone: (071) 9137216
fax: (071) 9144500



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Following one of my other interests I was reading material at Script-ed

http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrb/script-ed/about.asp

SCRIPT-ed is the online journal of the AHRC Research Centre for Studies in
Intellectual Property and Technology Law based in the School of Law at the
University of Edinburgh.

If you go to that web page you will see that there is some text in a number
of languages, including Gaelic...

Online journals are of very varying quality, but this is a good one, based
in an active research community...

And thee I came across this article...

Bloomsday: Copyright Estates and Cultural Festivals
Author: Matthew Rimmer Journal: SCRIPT-ed Year: 2005 Vol: 2 Issue: 3
Pages/record No.: 345-389

http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrb/script-ed/vol2-3/bloomsday.asp

Bloomsday: Copyright Estates and Cultural Festivals

Dr. Matthew Rimmer*

ABSTRACT
Copyright estates have been unduly empowered by the extension of the term of
copyright protection in Europe, the United States, Australia and elsewhere.
The Estate of the Irish novelist, James Joyce, has been particularly
aggressive in policing his revived copyrights. The "keepers of the flame"
have relied upon threats of legal action to discourage the production of
derivative works based upon the canonical texts of the novelist. The Estate
has also jealously guarded the reputation of the author by vetoing the use
of his work in various scholarly productions. Most radically of all, the
grandson Stephen Joyce threatened to take legal action to prevent the
staging of "Rejoyce Dublin 2004", a festival celebrating the centenary of
Bloomsday. In response, the Irish Parliament rushed through emergency
legislation, entitled the Copyright and Related Rights (Amendment) Act 2004
(Ireland) to safeguard the celebrations. The legislation clarified that a
person could place literary and artistic works on public exhibition, without
breaching the copyright vested in such cultural texts. Arguably, though,
the ad hoc legislation passed by the Irish Parliament is inadequate. The
Estate of James Joyce remains free to exercise its suite of economic and
moral rights to control the use and adaptation of works of the Irish
novelist. It is contended that copyright law needs to be revised to promote
the interests of libraries and other cultural institutions. Most notably,
the defence of fair dealing should be expanded to allow for the
transformative use of copyright works, particularly in respect of
adaptations and derived works. There should be greater scope for compulsory
licensing and crown acquisition of revived copyrights.
DOI: 10.2966/scrip.020305.345
C Matthew Rimmer 2005. This work is licensed through SCRIPT-ed Open Licence
(SOL)

Table of Contents:
1. INTRODUCTION
2. FINNEGAN'S WAKE: THE EUROPEAN COPYRIGHT TERM DIRECTIVE
2.1 The European Copyright Term Directive
2.2 The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act
2.3 Fair Use and Orphaned Works
2.4 Other Jurisdictions
3. THE KEEPERS OF THE FLAME: THE JOYCE ESTATE
3.1 Biographies and Anthologies
3.2 Performances
3.3 Exhibitions
4. THE JAMES JOYCE BILL: COPYRIGHT AND RELATED RIGHTS (AMENDMENT) ACT
2004
4.1 Public Exhibition
4.2 The European Information Society Directive
5. CONCLUSION

Cite as: M Rimmer, "Bloomsday: Copyright Estates and Cultural Festivals",
(2005) 2:3 SCRIPT-ed 345 [at]:
http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrb/script-ed/vol2-3/bloomsday.asp

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Interesting this, how the commonplace suddenly becomes unusual the moment
you think about it.

Alan McFarlane did some stuff on tea and beer a few years ago describing
their contribution to the development of British (and presumably Irish)
society in the 18th Century, emphasising its healthgiving effects. The tea
making process inhibits waterborne diseases and tea drinking mothers, as a
consequence, have healthier (or perhaps less noxious) breast milk thus
reducing infant mortality and accelerating population growth. He describes
this in his book 'The Savage War of Peace' (Blackwell, 1997) I think.

I also recall reading a report of the Massachusetts Commonwealth inquiry
into Lunatic Asyslums from 1844 citing a English Poor Law report
which blamed the high incidence of lunacy amongst Irish migrants on their
consumption of strong black tea. They were earning better wages and
drinking more than they could at home and this was seen as an explanation of
their madness.

In the 19th Century tea was regarded as a stimulant on a par with alcohol
and tobacco in certain quarters. The psychologist JM Cattell describes his
first encounter with it in a 'drug diary' he kept while a student in Liepzig
in the 1880s. As the son of a protestant minister he had never been allowed
to drink tea until he came to alone to Europe and he dutifully records its
intoxicant effects alongside hashish and ether which he also sampled.

Anyway, if I come across any more strange facts about tea I'll try and keep
them to myself.

Best to all

Liam

--
Liam Greenslade
Research Associate
Academic Theme Leader's Office
Dublin City University
Glasnevin
Dublin 9

http://liamgr.blogspot.com

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Thanks. Very helpful. I'll see if I can track it down.
KM


>As far as I know, it was only ever released on VHS by RTE (it was a
>co-roduction with the BBC, 1991 I think) - and there was a US version you
>could get by mail order for a while.
>
>Quite literal re-telling, mostly on the negotiations themselves - but
>starting with the Truce period - Dev captured, released, etc.
>
>Collins is the central character (somewhat eroneously but understadably),
>played by Brendan Gleeson - who looks and sounds and acts just right.
>
>Apart from the problems with students mentioned below, it was also shot on
>a very cheap budget, apparently with 1 fixed mike in some scenes, so when
>actors turn away or walk around, it can be hard to follow.
>
>I have often wondered if the Collins film skipped the Treaty entirely (and
>bizarrely) due to the pre-existence of this film.
>
>RTE is currently re-releasing stuff on DVD I think, so maybe this will
>follow.
>
>Peter
>
>
>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
>
>> To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
>> From: Kerby Miller
>> Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Wind That SHakes the Barley
>>
>> You refer to a film, "The Treaty"? (Anglo-Irish Treaty, I presume?)
>> Sounds like a potentially marvellous teaching tool, but I've never
>> heard of it. Can someone provide information about the film and how
>> I might find a copy?
>> Thanks,
>> Kerby Miller.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Am I wrong, or has this discussion attracted the highest number of
>> >individial responses in recent memory? Very interesting comments but also
>> >interesting that it takes a film to draw all of us out in this way. It's
>> >certainly not the most intense discussion, mind you (and thank God), but
>> >still.
>> >
>> >My response to what Joan is saying is that she's absolutely right but that
>> >the huge danger with movies is that for some reason they're much more
>> >powerful than texts or arguments. Especially emotion-laden action movies.
>> >I usually find them impossible to argue against - try defending Dev after
>> >your students have watched "Michael Collins'! So they're a double-edged
>> >sword in teaching terms.
>> >
>> >Actually, the worst in my experience was 'Braveheart', which used to get a
>> >lot of students interested in Irish history for some reason - because of
>> >the anti-Brit thing I guess, although odd that it didn't seem to produce
>> >much interest in Scottish studies as far as I know.
>> >
>> >'The Treaty' is the best film by far for actual accuracy and insight but
>> >both I and others have found it hard to keep students interested - a bunch
>> >of guys in a room arguing about constitutional arrangements. Canadians in
>> >particular have learned that this is not a fun thing to do! But it shows
>> >how limited film really is in getting any rigorous or complex discusion
>> >going.
>> >
>> >The other thing I've found is that, with films, you often have to spend so
>> >long explaining how exactly the film was inaccurate or what was left out
>> >(always the key factor of course, as has already been said here re. the
>> >RIC) that there isn't much time left over for anything else.
>> >
>> >So, the best thing to show a class on 20C Irish history? Father Ted, of
>> >course.
>> >
>> >Peter
>> >
>>

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As far as I know, it was only ever released on VHS by RTE (it was a
co-roduction with the BBC, 1991 I think) - and there was a US version you
could get by mail order for a while.

Quite literal re-telling, mostly on the negotiations themselves - but
starting with the Truce period - Dev captured, released, etc.

Collins is the central character (somewhat eroneously but understadably),
played by Brendan Gleeson - who looks and sounds and acts just right.

Apart from the problems with students mentioned below, it was also shot on
a very cheap budget, apparently with 1 fixed mike in some scenes, so when
actors turn away or walk around, it can be hard to follow.

I have often wondered if the Collins film skipped the Treaty entirely (and
bizarrely) due to the pre-existence of this film.

RTE is currently re-releasing stuff on DVD I think, so maybe this will
follow.

Peter


On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
> From: Kerby Miller
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Wind That SHakes the Barley
>
> You refer to a film, "The Treaty"? (Anglo-Irish Treaty, I presume?)
> Sounds like a potentially marvellous teaching tool, but I've never
> heard of it. Can someone provide information about the film and how
> I might find a copy?
> Thanks,
> Kerby Miller.
>
>
>
>
> >Am I wrong, or has this discussion attracted the highest number of
> >individial responses in recent memory? Very interesting comments but also
> >interesting that it takes a film to draw all of us out in this way. It's
> >certainly not the most intense discussion, mind you (and thank God), but
> >still.
> >
> >My response to what Joan is saying is that she's absolutely right but that
> >the huge danger with movies is that for some reason they're much more
> >powerful than texts or arguments. Especially emotion-laden action movies.
> >I usually find them impossible to argue against - try defending Dev after
> >your students have watched "Michael Collins'! So they're a double-edged
> >sword in teaching terms.
> >
> >Actually, the worst in my experience was 'Braveheart', which used to get a
> >lot of students interested in Irish history for some reason - because of
> >the anti-Brit thing I guess, although odd that it didn't seem to produce
> >much interest in Scottish studies as far as I know.
> >
> >'The Treaty' is the best film by far for actual accuracy and insight but
> >both I and others have found it hard to keep students interested - a bunch
> >of guys in a room arguing about constitutional arrangements. Canadians in
> >particular have learned that this is not a fun thing to do! But it shows
> >how limited film really is in getting any rigorous or complex discusion
> >going.
> >
> >The other thing I've found is that, with films, you often have to spend so
> >long explaining how exactly the film was inaccurate or what was left out
> >(always the key factor of course, as has already been said here re. the
> >RIC) that there isn't much time left over for anything else.
> >
> >So, the best thing to show a class on 20C Irish history? Father Ted, of
> >course.
> >
> >Peter
> >
>

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You refer to a film, "The Treaty"? (Anglo-Irish Treaty, I presume?)
Sounds like a potentially marvellous teaching tool, but I've never
heard of it. Can someone provide information about the film and how
I might find a copy?
Thanks,
Kerby Miller.




>Am I wrong, or has this discussion attracted the highest number of
>individial responses in recent memory? Very interesting comments but also
>interesting that it takes a film to draw all of us out in this way. It's
>certainly not the most intense discussion, mind you (and thank God), but
>still.
>
>My response to what Joan is saying is that she's absolutely right but that
>the huge danger with movies is that for some reason they're much more
>powerful than texts or arguments. Especially emotion-laden action movies.
>I usually find them impossible to argue against - try defending Dev after
>your students have watched "Michael Collins'! So they're a double-edged
>sword in teaching terms.
>
>Actually, the worst in my experience was 'Braveheart', which used to get a
>lot of students interested in Irish history for some reason - because of
>the anti-Brit thing I guess, although odd that it didn't seem to produce
>much interest in Scottish studies as far as I know.
>
>'The Treaty' is the best film by far for actual accuracy and insight but
>both I and others have found it hard to keep students interested - a bunch
>of guys in a room arguing about constitutional arrangements. Canadians in
>particular have learned that this is not a fun thing to do! But it shows
>how limited film really is in getting any rigorous or complex discusion
>going.
>
>The other thing I've found is that, with films, you often have to spend so
>long explaining how exactly the film was inaccurate or what was left out
>(always the key factor of course, as has already been said here re. the
>RIC) that there isn't much time left over for anything else.
>
>So, the best thing to show a class on 20C Irish history? Father Ted, of
>course.
>
>Peter
>

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Robert Hart in China: The Significance of his Irish Roots
RICHARD O'LEARY
Modern Asian Studies, Volume 40, Issue 03, Jul 2006, pp 583-604
doi: 10.1017/S0026749X06002046, Published online by Cambridge University
Press 30 Aug 2006

as inspector general of the maritime customs service, robert hart
(1835-1911), born in county armagh in ireland, was a chief fiscal
administrator of the chinese empire. hart was a british citizen, yet he was
employed by the chinese government and was responsible for hundreds of
western (mostly british) and thousands of chinese employees. his ability to
straddle cultures has been noted by the historians bruner, fairbank and
smith who refer to a trait of cultural sensitivity that was unusual among
the merchants of the treaty ports in china. the source of this cultural
sensitivity is of interest and some insights can be gleaned from his irish
origins. the employment under hart of many persons from ireland, family and
others, in the chinese maritime customs (cmc) has also raised questions
about nepotism and favouritism. we will see that hart did not only favour
his family but was generally well disposed to long-standing acquaintances,
whether they were irish or not. furthermore, his irish contacts in both
ireland and china were of advantage to him in his career and his attainment
of higher social status. our examination of hart's network of irish contacts
and his ideas about ireland also reveal his multi-national identity. this
seemed to allow hart to be both pro-british while also retaining a critical
perspective, as might be expected by someone who by place of birth, social
class and religion was not from the heart of the english establishment.

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Actually The Treaty was a 1991 co-production between Thames Television
and RTE - not sure the BBC charter would support this kind of stuff.
Remember the Dimblebys and their problems over Irish historical material
on BBC? The Brits would apparently rather have an "Irish Question"
than a historical answer.

But it is history lite - and palatable for all audiences - in many
respects too. The Black and Tans are glossed over as merely a normal,
rational response to an impossible war, and Lloyd George seems to be a
very ponderous, kindly man who spends a great deal of time with his bit
on the side whom he calls "pussy" - I really could have done without
those scenes. What were they there for? On the other hand, although she
glides in and out with flowing drapery complete with an English accent
[Chicago born and bred], Lady Lavery's "service" to the Irish delegation
is not gone into at all. God, she even ended up on the Irish bank notes.

I have a video version that I bought in Dublin over 10 years ago. Like
Peter, my students have found it dull - but Lloyd George's private life
has been discussed! DVDs bought in Ireland have to be universal to
work in the US. Usually they don't.

Carmel



Peter Hart wrote:
> As far as I know, it was only ever released on VHS by RTE (it was a
> co-roduction with the BBC, 1991 I think) - and there was a US version you
> could get by mail order for a while.
>
> Quite literal re-telling, mostly on the negotiations themselves - but
> starting with the Truce period - Dev captured, released, etc.
>
> Collins is the central character (somewhat eroneously but understadably),
> played by Brendan Gleeson - who looks and sounds and acts just right.
>
> Apart from the problems with students mentioned below, it was also shot on
> a very cheap budget, apparently with 1 fixed mike in some scenes, so when
> actors turn away or walk around, it can be hard to follow.
>
> I have often wondered if the Collins film skipped the Treaty entirely (and
> bizarrely) due to the pre-existence of this film.
>
> RTE is currently re-releasing stuff on DVD I think, so maybe this will
> follow.
>
> Peter

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Calling to mind the criticisms on this list back in September for alleged
self-indulgent comments during what was, to my mind, an interesting thread
on topophila -- may I request an immediate moratorium on any discussion of
Soda Bread ?


Jim R

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As a bread maker let me suggest this - yeast was very hard to come by in
rural areas in Ireland. The old style fresh yeast had a very limited
shelf life - 24 to 48 hours. The Dublin Yeast Company supplied fresh
yeast from its shop and I remember as a child going there with my mother
during the many bread strikes. Soda bread on the other hand can be
easily made from ingredients that can be stored or are easily
available. Bread soda stores for months in a box and the buttermilk or
sour milk required to complete the rising process readily available in
rural homes. This is most likely the reason why soda bread was the
bread of rural Ireland for so long.

Carmel


Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
For example, nothing about the why and the how of the survival of
non-yeast breads

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re. DVD format - it's pretty easy to get players that play Euro discs - or
to adjust them. But campus audio-visual equipment probably won't. On the
other hand, there has long been a steady trade in conversion for sale by
US companies - I got my 1st father ted videos that way. And my treaty
video was a US conversion.

Im sure tyou're right re. Thames - now part of ITV I guess? But the BBC
has done Irish history - inc.. the controversial (and rather bad) Rebel
Heart c. 2000 (although the 1st episode in the Rising is good). In fact,
my impression is that 'the Wind' has borrowed large elements from 'Heart'
screenplay by Ronan Bennet.

As for balance, of course that is the aim - but its hardly some whitewash.
No doubt partly due to budget, there are v few action scenes, and they are
silly. But the 2nd scene, if memory serves, has an argument between
Wilson and L George over reprisals. And Collins is indeed the
swashbuckling hero. Almost everyone is presented sympathetically, even
-relative to other films - Dev. We still get the anti-Collins cabal with
brugha and Stack though, which was a pro-Treaty confection.

Peter


On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

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> Actually The Treaty was a 1991 co-production between Thames Television
> and RTE - not sure the BBC charter would support this kind of stuff.
> Remember the Dimblebys and their problems over Irish historical material
> on BBC? The Brits would apparently rather have an "Irish Question"
> than a historical answer.
>
> But it is history lite - and palatable for all audiences - in many
> respects too. The Black and Tans are glossed over as merely a normal,
> rational response to an impossible war, and Lloyd George seems to be a
> very ponderous, kindly man who spends a great deal of time with his bit
> on the side whom he calls "pussy" - I really could have done without
> those scenes. What were they there for? On the other hand, although she
> glides in and out with flowing drapery complete with an English accent
> [Chicago born and bred], Lady Lavery's "service" to the Irish delegation
> is not gone into at all. God, she even ended up on the Irish bank notes.
>
> I have a video version that I bought in Dublin over 10 years ago. Like
> Peter, my students have found it dull - but Lloyd George's private life
> has been discussed! DVDs bought in Ireland have to be universal to
> work in the US. Usually they don't.
>
> Carmel
>
>
>
> Peter Hart wrote:
> > As far as I know, it was only ever released on VHS by RTE (it was a
> > co-roduction with the BBC, 1991 I think) - and there was a US version you
> > could get by mail order for a while.
> >
> > Quite literal re-telling, mostly on the negotiations themselves - but
> > starting with the Truce period - Dev captured, released, etc.
> >
> > Collins is the central character (somewhat eroneously but understadably),
> > played by Brendan Gleeson - who looks and sounds and acts just right.
> >
> > Apart from the problems with students mentioned below, it was also shot on
> > a very cheap budget, apparently with 1 fixed mike in some scenes, so when
> > actors turn away or walk around, it can be hard to follow.
> >
> > I have often wondered if the Collins film skipped the Treaty entirely (and
> > bizarrely) due to the pre-existence of this film.
> >
> > RTE is currently re-releasing stuff on DVD I think, so maybe this will
> > follow.
> >
> > Peter
>

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As a bread maker let me suggest this - yeast was very hard to come by in
rural areas in Ireland. The old style fresh yeast had a very limited
shelf life - 24 to 48 hours. The Dublin Yeast Company supplied fresh
yeast from its shop and I remember as a child going there with my mother
during the many bread strikes. Soda bread on the other hand can be
easily made from ingredients that can be stored or are easily
available. Bread soda stores for months in a box and the buttermilk or
sour milk required to complete the rising process readily available in
rural homes. This is most likely the reason why soda bread was the
bread of rural Ireland for so long.

Carmel


Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
For example, nothing about the why and the how of the survival of
non-yeast breads

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The key text on food ways is
Hungering for America: Italian, Irish, and Jewish Foodways in the Age of
Migration
by Hasia R. Diner, 2001

A web search for that title will turn up many reviews, which will lead =
into
the history and historiography of food. A student would be expected to =
know
about the book.

Hasia's book mentions tea many times, because her sources mention tea - =
and
tea is indexed. Though I can't remember much profundity specifically =
about
tea.

It is also worth putting the title into something like Library Thing, =
and
seeing how it fits into other literatures. And search Library Thing for
'tea'.

Hasia paid me a delightful back-handed compliment when we met at a
conference. She thanked me for my series, The Irish World Wide. I =
blushed
modestly. She then said, I was able to glance at the Index, see there =
was
nothing about food, and know the coast was clear for me to go ahead with =
my
project.

In fact we tried to find something about food for the IWW series, but =
could
not find anyone studying Irish food sensibly at that time. For example,
nothing about the why and the how of the survival of non-yeast breads - =
just
touristic stuff... Or the oddities of of Irish-American and
Irish-of-Ireland versions of 'traditional' food...

So, homage to Hasia Diner for pushing things forward...

See also
KNEAFSEY, M. and Cox, R. (2002) Food, gender and Irishness: how Irish =
women
in Coventry make home, Irish Geography 35(1): 6-15

Look in the journala, Food & Foodways, and Appetite for example...

=D3 Gr=E1da, Cormac. "Introduction to Special Issue of Food & Foodways." =
Food
and Foodways 12, no. 2-3 (2004): 69-80.

Mullen, K., Williams, R., and K. Hunt. "Irish descent, religion and food
consumption in the west of Scotland." Appetite 34, no. 1 (2000): 47 - =
54.

Paddy


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Subject: [IR-D] Tea up

Interesting this, how the commonplace suddenly becomes unusual the =
moment
you think about it.

Alan McFarlane did some stuff on tea and beer a few years ago describing
their contribution to the development of British (and presumably Irish)
society in the 18th Century, emphasising its healthgiving effects. The =
tea
making process inhibits waterborne diseases and tea drinking mothers, as =
a
consequence, have healthier (or perhaps less noxious) breast milk thus
reducing infant mortality and accelerating population growth. He =
describes
this in his book 'The Savage War of Peace' (Blackwell, 1997) I think.

I also recall reading a report of the Massachusetts Commonwealth inquiry
into Lunatic Asyslums from 1844 citing a English Poor Law report
which blamed the high incidence of lunacy amongst Irish migrants on =
their
consumption of strong black tea. They were earning better wages and
drinking more than they could at home and this was seen as an =
explanation of
their madness.

In the 19th Century tea was regarded as a stimulant on a par with =
alcohol
and tobacco in certain quarters. The psychologist JM Cattell describes =
his
first encounter with it in a 'drug diary' he kept while a student in =
Liepzig
in the 1880s. As the son of a protestant minister he had never been =
allowed
to drink tea until he came to alone to Europe and he dutifully records =
its
intoxicant effects alongside hashish and ether which he also sampled.

Anyway, if I come across any more strange facts about tea I'll try and =
keep
them to myself.

Best to all

Liam

--=20
Liam Greenslade
Research Associate
Academic Theme Leader's Office
Dublin City University
Glasnevin
Dublin 9

http://liamgr.blogspot.com

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From: "Jim McAuley"
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Paddy - this may be of interest to some.
As always,

Jim


Latsis Prize
The Prize, of a value of 100 000 Swiss Francs, is presented each year by =
the Latsis Foundation at the ESF Annual Assembly to a scientist or =
research group in recognition of outstanding and innovative =
contributions in a selected field of European research. The research =
field for the 2006 Prize was Immigration and Social Cohesion in Modern =
Societies. Professor Herbert Gottweis, vice-president at the Austrian =
Science Fund (FWF) and former Core Group member of the Standing =
Committee for the Social Sciences introduced the prize winner, Professor =
Rainer Baub=F6ck from the Institute of European Integration Research in =
Austria for his contribution and in-depth research on migration issues. =
Read more in the news release (URL =
http://www.esf.org/esf_pressarea_page.php?language=3D0§ion=3D6&year=3D=
2006&newsrelease=3D152).
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School of Human & Health Sciences
The University of Huddersfield
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Telephone: +44(0)1484 - 472691
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'The most important factor for the development of the individual is the =
structure and values of the society into which they were born'. Eric =
Fromm.

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Last time I looked, the Dublin Yeast Company was still there, resolutely
resisting the Celtic Tiger, a bit like Mulligan's pub just down the road,
from it and probably unchanged from the way Carmel remembers it as a child.
If anyone wants a photo of it (because it captures what Dublin used to look
like) let me know. Cause you can't buy that kind of nostalgia.


Liam
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Calling to mind the criticisms on this list back in September for alleged
self-indulgent comments during what was, to my mind, an interesting thread
on topophila -- may I request an immediate moratorium on any discussion of
Soda Bread ?


Jim R

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As a bread maker let me suggest this - yeast was very hard to come by in
rural areas in Ireland. The old style fresh yeast had a very limited
shelf life - 24 to 48 hours. The Dublin Yeast Company supplied fresh
yeast from its shop and I remember as a child going there with my mother
during the many bread strikes. Soda bread on the other hand can be
easily made from ingredients that can be stored or are easily
available. Bread soda stores for months in a box and the buttermilk or
sour milk required to complete the rising process readily available in
rural homes. This is most likely the reason why soda bread was the
bread of rural Ireland for so long.

Carmel


Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
For example, nothing about the why and the how of the survival of
non-yeast breads

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Two thoughts on Tea:

Liam Greenslade is right that there was considerable worry in the
19th century among doctors and lunatic asylum authorities that
drinking lots of strong tea contributed to high rates of Irish
insanity. I came across this claim in Irish asylum casebooks and also
in the Lunacy Inspectors' reports. I don't know of any serious
discussion of it, but Joseph Robins, in his book 'Fools and Mad'
(1986) quotes some Irish asylum managers complaining about tea in the
1890s. Mind you, of course they complained far more about alcohol and
also tobacco.

Secondly, a PhD thesis was completed at the University of Melbourne
in 2002 which may be relevant: G.B. O'Mahony, 'Food and Drink in
Australia: an Irish Perspective'. I must confess that I haven't read
the thesis so can't advise on its contents. But, if anyone is
interested in following up, the author, Professor Barry O'Mahony, is
now head of the Centre for Hospitality and Tourism Research at
Victoria University in Melbourne, and I'm sure can be contacted via
the university's website.

ELM
--
Professor Elizabeth Malcolm * Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
Department of History * University of Melbourne * Victoria 3010 * AUSTRALIA
Phone: +61-3-8344 3924 * Fax: +61-3-8344 7894 * Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
Website: http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/irish/index.htm

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There are several interesting parallels in US history here that suggest =
a
broad concern about the health affects of coffee and tea in the =
nineteenth
century. The Mormon Church's "Word of Wisdom" (from the 1840s) includes
coffee and tea with alcohol in its prohibition of "strong drink." Also,
health and diet reformers like Graham and Kellogg also argued against =
coffee
and tea. They cover a long period of the 19th century in the first case
advocating cold water and in the second postum - a cereal based hot =
drink --
as acceptable alternatives.=20

=20
William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA=20
Office: 1-270-809-6571
Fax: 1-270-809-6587=20
=20
=20

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Email Patrick O'Sullivan

But will he mention my study of Thomas Moore's Captain Rock, hidden for =
ever behind the daft title given to it by my editors...?

P.O'S.


The Society for the Study of Nineteenth-Century Ireland

Invites you to a Public Lecture entitled

=E2=80=98Captain Rock: The Irish Agrarian Rebellion of 1821-24=E2=80=99

By

Professor James S Donnelly, Jr

Professor of History, University of Wisconsin - Madison

Author of Landlord and Tenant in Nineteenth-Century Ireland (1973), The =
Land and the People of Nineteenth-Century Cork (1975), The Great Irish =
Potato Famine (2001) etc.

Wednesday, 13 December 2006, at 3 pm

The Centre for Irish Studies, Distillery Road, NUI, Galway

Wine Reception to follow, courtesy of the Centre for Irish Studies

F=C3=A1ilte Roimh Ch=C3=A1ch=E2=80=95All Are Welcome

=20

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