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Banks, ditches, smal megalithic tombs and standing stones are ten a penny in the Irish countryside. At St. Mullins, on the river Barrow half way between New Ross and Graiguenamanagh, in contrast, there is a motte and bailey erected by one a Norman lord whose name escapes me but who accompanied Strongbow and the original invasion party, which is far more impressive to the naked eye of the casual visitor.

My point is that, given Tara's glorification as 'the seat of the ancient High kings of Gelic Ireland', it is singularly unimpressive(again, to the casual observer). My father was a Meath man who felt it was his duty to point Tara out to his son but for the life of me I couldn't see anything to get excited about.

Thats not to say I would be in favour of allowing the modern Irish to drive a road through it. However, as a Dubliner, I have had to endure the drawn-out destruction of my city by politicians, builders, and developers (few of the latter being Dubliners!)who have since gone on to put much of the rest of Ireland under concrete. Why stop at Tara?


Ultan


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This new road passes through the so-called Tara Valley, albeit a mile and a >half from the actual Hill (which is still, as it was in my childhood, just >a grassy hillock with no distinguishing features). Nevertheless it was >inevitable, given the antiquity of the site, that archeological remains >would be unearthed ANYWHERE within an ass's roar of it. Bound to be a >political hot potato...


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From the Chicago Sun-Times

For sure, Obama's South Side Irish
ANCESTRY | One of his roots traces back to small village
May 3, 2007
BY BRIAN HUTTON

DUBLIN -- Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's ancestry has been traced =20
back to a shoemaker in a small Irish village, it was reported Wednesday.
Obama's campaign wasn't talking about the revelation, but Chicago Ald. =20
Ed Burke (14th) said he wasn't surprised.
"I could tell from the very first time I saw him -- he's got such a =20
way with words," said Burke, who himself can trace ancestors to =20
counties Clare and Kerry.
Records unearthed in the home of an elderly Irish parishioner who died =20
recently have shed new light on the Illinois senator's ancestry.
A Church of Ireland rector scoured files from the church -- the =20
equivalent of the U.S. Episcopal Church -- dating to the late 1700s. =20
He confirmed that Obama descended from Moneygall, County Offaly.
The village today holds little more than a couple of pubs, shops and a =20
Roman Catholic church.
Canon Stephen Neill, from a nearby town, began delving into Obama's =20
past after a U.S. genealogist told him about the possible connection. =20
"I would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is =20
categorical evidence of Mr. Obama's link to this part of the world," =20
said the rector.
It was initially believed the would-be president's =20
great-great-great-grandfather Fulmuth Kearney was the only one of his =20
family to have sailed from Ireland to New York at age 19 in 1850.
But the newly uncovered records show other family members had in fact =20
emigrated to America since the 1790s.
They also reveal that Fulmuth's father, Joseph, was a shoemaker -- a =20
wealthy skilled trade at the time. "They would have been among the =20
upper echelons of society back then," said Neill.
He said he thinks the name Fulmuth -- unusual for an Irish man -- was =20
most likely a surname that was taken as a first name.
Obama was born in Hawaii to a black man from Kenya and a white woman =20
-- with Irish links -- from Kansas. "I've got pieces of everybody in =20
me," he has been quoted as saying.
But does the piece from Moneygall make Obama -- who lives in the South =20
Side's Kenwood neighborhood -- South Side Irish?
"Of course," Burke said.
Press Association of Ireland, with Sun-Times Staff Reporter Matthew =20
Nickerson contributing

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In a way, Ultan makes a very good point; although I am not sure that I
agree that Tara is no different to historical buildings in Dublin (or
anywhere else for that matter).=20

This motorway is an example of the desire of the 'Celtic Tiger' to
devour everything that stands in the way of progress. As I am aware,
people who work in Dublin frequently travel tremendous distances (such
as from Cavan and Monaghan which this motorway will serve). Therefore,
they will claim, anything that will improve the quality of their lives
is worth the cost (including the potential destruction of ancient
artefacts). I can personally testify to having to negotiate the N3 to
and from Cavan (where my parents are buried) and, at certain times of
the day, it is no fun. But, it seems to me, the real challenge to modern
Ireland is how far this apparent unbridled progress can be allowed to go
in the belief that increasing GDP is good for all. From what I see on
recent visits, people are no more contented (I won't try and prove that
contention). There is certainly a palpable sense of the only measure of
worth being the size of cars and houses (so called 'status anxiety').
Undoubtedly, the influx of immigrants has caused many to question their
own values are far as foreigners are concerned (racism is increasing).=20

Ultimately, what does 'modern' Ireland stand for? Whilst the tourism
authorities claim that it is still a place of tranquillity, mysticism,
and love of history (especially Celtic origins) the reality is somewhat
different.=20

Steven

Dr. Steven McCabe=20
School of Property, Construction and Planning
Faculty of Law, Humanities, Development and Society
University of Central England in Birmingham
B42 2SU
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Banks, ditches, smal megalithic tombs and standing stones are ten a
penny in the Irish countryside. At St. Mullins, on the river Barrow half
way between New Ross and Graiguenamanagh, in contrast, there is a motte
and bailey erected by one a Norman lord whose name escapes me but who
accompanied Strongbow and the original invasion party, which is far more
impressive to the naked eye of the casual visitor.

My point is that, given Tara's glorification as 'the seat of the ancient
High kings of Gelic Ireland', it is singularly unimpressive(again, to
the casual observer). My father was a Meath man who felt it was his duty
to point Tara out to his son but for the life of me I couldn't see
anything to get excited about.=20

Thats not to say I would be in favour of allowing the modern Irish to
drive a road through it. However, as a Dubliner, I have had to endure
the drawn-out destruction of my city by politicians, builders, and
developers (few of the latter being Dubliners!)who have since gone on to
put much of the rest of Ireland under concrete. Why stop at Tara?=20

=20
Ultan
=20

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wrote:
This new road passes through the so-called Tara Valley, albeit a
mile and a >half from the actual Hill (which is still, as it was in my
childhood, just >a grassy hillock with no distinguishing features).
Nevertheless it was >inevitable, given the antiquity of the site, that
archeological remains >would be unearthed ANYWHERE within an ass's roar
of it. Bound to be a >political hot potato...


< =20
< "...no distinguishing features" ??? I assume then one would be
< oblivious to the banking and ditching that surrounds the complex and
the
< small
< megalithic tomb and standing stone...
< =20
< Best, Mark Hall
< NAGPRA DIvision
< Hearst Museum
< UC Berkeley
< Berkeley, CA 94720
< =20



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14th May 2007
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No need to put my name on this -- post as a "has been called to our
attention" item. -- JR
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I wonder if the Germans, French, Italians etc have this as well. The
ancestry of most Americans now seems to be so fully mixed that I am sure
they could claim to be anything and everything if they wanted to.

Interesting though, I don't think I would call him an 'Irish-American'. To
me his just an American (possibly also a Kenyan), as indeed are many in the
'Irish American' community. I suppose this raises the question of are terms
such as 'Irish American' valid, and if they are, for how long? Would a great
great great grandson of a person born in Ireland who has more German or
Russian and Polish, Native American and British ancestors be an Irish
American or would they be an 'Irish-Russian-Polish-Native American-British
American'?

We have the same 'debate'/problem here in Wales where the Irish community
traditionally kept apart from the 'native Welsh' community and this split
can still be seen today, although it is dying out. There are 'Irish'
families in Cardiff who remember their parents condemning the Welsh, despite
the fact that as families they had been in Wales for over a hundred years.
Just recently there was a letter in the local papers talking about the
'Cardiff Irish' desire to take over the valleys, so people are still aware
of the distinction. But to me, whose parents are both Irish born and who
regularly visits Ireland these 'Cardiff Irish' are a very different type of
people and aren't really 'Irish' anymore.

It would be interesting to know of any easily accessible studies that have
been done on identity after such a long time in the new host country.

Muiris


On 03/05/07, Bill Mulligan wrote:
>
> From the Chicago Sun-Times
>
> For sure, Obama's South Side Irish
> ANCESTRY | One of his roots traces back to small village
> May 3, 2007
> BY BRIAN HUTTON
>
> DUBLIN -- Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's ancestry has been traced
> back to a shoemaker in a small Irish village, it was reported Wednesday.
> Obama's campaign wasn't talking about the revelation, but Chicago Ald.
> Ed Burke (14th) said he wasn't surprised.
> "I could tell from the very first time I saw him -- he's got such a
> way with words," said Burke, who himself can trace ancestors to
> counties Clare and Kerry.
> Records unearthed in the home of an elderly Irish parishioner who died
> recently have shed new light on the Illinois senator's ancestry.
> A Church of Ireland rector scoured files from the church -- the
> equivalent of the U.S. Episcopal Church -- dating to the late 1700s.
> He confirmed that Obama descended from Moneygall, County Offaly.
> The village today holds little more than a couple of pubs, shops and a
> Roman Catholic church.
> Canon Stephen Neill, from a nearby town, began delving into Obama's
> past after a U.S. genealogist told him about the possible connection.
> "I would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is
> categorical evidence of Mr. Obama's link to this part of the world,"
> said the rector.
> It was initially believed the would-be president's
> great-great-great-grandfather Fulmuth Kearney was the only one of his
> family to have sailed from Ireland to New York at age 19 in 1850.
> But the newly uncovered records show other family members had in fact
> emigrated to America since the 1790s.
> They also reveal that Fulmuth's father, Joseph, was a shoemaker -- a
> wealthy skilled trade at the time. "They would have been among the
> upper echelons of society back then," said Neill.
> He said he thinks the name Fulmuth -- unusual for an Irish man -- was
> most likely a surname that was taken as a first name.
> Obama was born in Hawaii to a black man from Kenya and a white woman
> -- with Irish links -- from Kansas. "I've got pieces of everybody in
> me," he has been quoted as saying.
> But does the piece from Moneygall make Obama -- who lives in the South
> Side's Kenwood neighborhood -- South Side Irish?
> "Of course," Burke said.
> Press Association of Ireland, with Sun-Times Staff Reporter Matthew
> Nickerson contributing
>

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I would have thought that was a given - Barack O'Bama! :-)

All the best,
=20
Eugene
=20
Dr Eugene O'Brien,
Head, Department of English Language and Literature
Mary Immaculate College
University of Limerick
Email: Eugene.OBrien[at]mic.ul.ie
Phone: 353 61 204989
Fax: 353 61 313632
Director
MIC Irish Studies Centre
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From the Chicago Sun-Times

For sure, Obama's South Side Irish
ANCESTRY | One of his roots traces back to small village
May 3, 2007
BY BRIAN HUTTON

DUBLIN -- Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's ancestry has been traced =20
back to a shoemaker in a small Irish village, it was reported Wednesday.
Obama's campaign wasn't talking about the revelation, but Chicago Ald. =20
Ed Burke (14th) said he wasn't surprised.
"I could tell from the very first time I saw him -- he's got such a =20
way with words," said Burke, who himself can trace ancestors to =20
counties Clare and Kerry.
Records unearthed in the home of an elderly Irish parishioner who died =20
recently have shed new light on the Illinois senator's ancestry.
A Church of Ireland rector scoured files from the church -- the =20
equivalent of the U.S. Episcopal Church -- dating to the late 1700s. =20
He confirmed that Obama descended from Moneygall, County Offaly.
The village today holds little more than a couple of pubs, shops and a =20
Roman Catholic church.
Canon Stephen Neill, from a nearby town, began delving into Obama's =20
past after a U.S. genealogist told him about the possible connection. =20
"I would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is =20
categorical evidence of Mr. Obama's link to this part of the world," =20
said the rector.
It was initially believed the would-be president's =20
great-great-great-grandfather Fulmuth Kearney was the only one of his =20
family to have sailed from Ireland to New York at age 19 in 1850.
But the newly uncovered records show other family members had in fact =20
emigrated to America since the 1790s.
They also reveal that Fulmuth's father, Joseph, was a shoemaker -- a =20
wealthy skilled trade at the time. "They would have been among the =20
upper echelons of society back then," said Neill.
He said he thinks the name Fulmuth -- unusual for an Irish man -- was =20
most likely a surname that was taken as a first name.
Obama was born in Hawaii to a black man from Kenya and a white woman =20
-- with Irish links -- from Kansas. "I've got pieces of everybody in =20
me," he has been quoted as saying.
But does the piece from Moneygall make Obama -- who lives in the South =20
Side's Kenwood neighborhood -- South Side Irish?
"Of course," Burke said.
Press Association of Ireland, with Sun-Times Staff Reporter Matthew =20
Nickerson contributing

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Could someone please provide the exact quote and source of James Joyce's
often cited remark to the effect that he expected his work to keep scholars
busy for at least a hundred years?

Thanks

James S. Rogers
Managing Director/Center for Irish Studies
Editor/New Hibernia Review
University of St Thomas #5008
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(651) 962-5662
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On 5/3/2007, "Ultan Cowley" wrote:

>Banks, ditches, smal megalithic tombs and standing stones are ten a penny >in the Irish countryside. At St. Mullins, on the river Barrow half way >between New Ross and Graiguenamanagh, in contrast, there is a motte and >bailey erected by one a Norman lord whose name escapes me but who >accompanied Strongbow and the original invasion party, which is far more >impressive to the naked eye of the casual visitor.
>

Well, yes and no. Sure individual monuments, banks and ditches all
are quite common in Ireland, is a complex such as Tara that common? I can
think of only two others--and both are supposed Early Medieval royal
sites.
The landscape surrounding Navan has been "royally" trashed/mined; does
the
Republic need to follow suit at Tara?

As to the unimpressiveness of Tara, sure on the ground it may be that way,
but have you really looked at any of the more recent publications showing
its extent from the air? Its quite impressive what is left of it. (And
one might also add, Newgrange and Dowth and Knowth from the air also
show that the Neolithic builders had a master plan for the landscape
too.)

As to the Norman remains in Ireland, hasn't neglect of much of the
Norman heritage been part of Irish nationalism? Pat Wallace has a
forthcoming article in a book on multi-vocality in Ireland and he makes
an excellent point on Irish nationalism and treatment of the heritage.

>My point is that, given Tara's glorification as 'the seat of the ancient >High kings of Gelic Ireland', it is singularly unimpressive(again, to the >casual observer). My father was a Meath man who felt it was his duty to >point Tara out to his son but for the life of me I couldn't see anything to >get excited about.

And this I feel is a failure of the archaeologists and the historians...

Best, Mark Hall
(who while today may be stuck in a NAGPRA job, did originally do
his doctorate on Early Medieval Ireland...)

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The quote you may be thinking of is:
*__*
*__*__"I have put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the
professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the
only way of insuring one's immortality."

This is claimed by Ellmann as being said by Joyce to Benoist-Mechin
when he was translating the /Penelope /episode/./ Ellmann got it
directly in an interview with Benoist-Mechin.

Carmel

Rogers, James wrote:
> Could someone please provide the exact quote and source of James Joyce's
> often cited remark to the effect that he expected his work to keep scholars
> busy for at least a hundred years?
>
> Thanks
>
> James S. Rogers
> Managing Director/Center for Irish Studies
> Editor/New Hibernia Review
> University of St Thomas #5008
> 2115 Summit Ave
> St Paul, MN 55105-1096
> (651) 962-5662
> www.stthomas.edu/irishstudies
>
> .
>
>

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Interesting one, this...

The actual quote refers to Finnegans Wake, and the exchange is given thus on
p 716
Ellmann, Richard. James Joyce. Oxford paperbacks. Vol. no. 106. Oxford
University Press: London, xvi, 842 p., [17] p. of plates.

'Why have you written the book this way?' someone else demanded. 'To keep
the critics busy for three hundred years.'

And Ellmann gives this source, Interview with Jacob Schwartz, 1956.

This would mean an interview that Ellmann himself conducted.

The passage in Ellmann then continues...

'The demand that I make of my reader,' he said with a disarming smile to Max
Eastman, 'is that he should devote his whole life to reading my works.'

Source, Max Eastman, The Literary Mind, p. 100.

I have seen the 'To keep the critics busy for three hundred years' quote
sourced as Max Eastman. I suspect that whoever started that mis-attribution
read that page of Ellmann, but did not follow Ellmann's note numbers to
check the source. I can perfectly understand this - turning pages is such
hard work.

Max Eastman is an interesting figure, an insight into 20th century US
political and literary history. Is he much studied?

On a train of thought... Reflecting on the movie versions of Ulysses, I
once wondered if there had ever been a novelisation of Ulyssses?

Patrick O'Sullivan



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Could someone please provide the exact quote and source of James Joyce's
often cited remark to the effect that he expected his work to keep scholars
busy for at least a hundred years?

Thanks

James S. Rogers
Managing Director/Center for Irish Studies
Editor/New Hibernia Review
University of St Thomas #5008
2115 Summit Ave
St Paul, MN 55105-1096
(651) 962-5662
www.stthomas.edu/irishstudies

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Can someone help with this:

Mary hickman contributed a paper to an annual conference called:

'Irish Dimensions in British Education'


This was the 6th National Annual Conference held on Februrary 11th=20

Does anyone know the organisation/university that organises this
conference?=20

Who publishes the conference's proceedings??


Much thanks


Liam (Clarke) =20

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I gave this one Liam - 12th Annual International Conference Irish Dimension=
s In British Education, 'The Irish in Scotland: Hidden Identity', on 8th Ap=
ril 1995. It was organised by Nessan Danaher at Leicester College (or some=
thing like that). If I remember correctly it was Mary that put me in touch=
with Nessan.
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Joe

________________________________

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Can someone help with this:

Mary hickman contributed a paper to an annual conference called:

'Irish Dimensions in British Education'


This was the 6th National Annual Conference held on Februrary 11th

Does anyone know the organisation/university that organises this
conference?

Who publishes the conference's proceedings??


Much thanks


Liam (Clarke)=20=20=20=20=20=20



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Thanks Joe

It looks like it is held at a different place each year: the one that I
was intrested in was in 1989 at Soar Valley College (where Mary Hickman
gave her paper) but whther nessan organised this or someone else I don't
know: nothing in British or Irish University Libraries: one refence on
the net but wothout naming the organiser(s)

My publisher wants the name of the organising body



Liam



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I gave this one Liam - 12th Annual International Conference Irish
Dimensions In British Education, 'The Irish in Scotland: Hidden
Identity', on 8th April 1995. It was organised by Nessan Danaher at
Leicester College (or something like that). If I remember correctly it
was Mary that put me in touch with Nessan.
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Joe

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Can someone help with this:

Mary hickman contributed a paper to an annual conference called:

'Irish Dimensions in British Education'


This was the 6th National Annual Conference held on Februrary 11th

Does anyone know the organisation/university that organises this
conference?

Who publishes the conference's proceedings??


Much thanks


Liam (Clarke) =20



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From: Patrick Maume
I remember seeing somewhere on the Web that the black California
conservative and anti-affirmative action campaigner Ward Connerly
incorporated a party trick into his speeches. He would remark that he had
rung up Bill Clinton on March 17 to wish him a happy St. Patrick's Day "from
one Irish-American to another". He would wait for the audience to stop
laughing (they always did) than ask "Why are you laughing?" I presume he
was making a point about "colourblindness" being desirable (i.e. that
although he is as much entitled to call himself Irish-American as black,
they assumed the two identities were mutually exclusive).


On 5/3/07, Eugene OBrien wrote:
>
> I would have thought that was a given - Barack O'Bama! :-)
>
> All the best,
>
> Eugene
>
> Dr Eugene O'Brien,
> Head, Department of English Language and Literature
> Mary Immaculate College
> University of Limerick
> Email: Eugene.OBrien[at]mic.ul.ie
> Phone: 353 61 204989
> Fax: 353 61 313632
> Director
> MIC Irish Studies Centre
>
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>
> From the Chicago Sun-Times
>
> For sure, Obama's South Side Irish
> ANCESTRY | One of his roots traces back to small village
> May 3, 2007
> BY BRIAN HUTTON
>
> DUBLIN -- Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's ancestry has been traced
> back to a shoemaker in a small Irish village, it was reported Wednesday.
> Obama's campaign wasn't talking about the revelation, but Chicago Ald.
> Ed Burke (14th) said he wasn't surprised.
> "I could tell from the very first time I saw him -- he's got such a
> way with words," said Burke, who himself can trace ancestors to
> counties Clare and Kerry.
> Records unearthed in the home of an elderly Irish parishioner who died
> recently have shed new light on the Illinois senator's ancestry.
> A Church of Ireland rector scoured files from the church -- the
> equivalent of the U.S. Episcopal Church -- dating to the late 1700s.
> He confirmed that Obama descended from Moneygall, County Offaly.
> The village today holds little more than a couple of pubs, shops and a
> Roman Catholic church.
> Canon Stephen Neill, from a nearby town, began delving into Obama's
> past after a U.S. genealogist told him about the possible connection.
> "I would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is
> categorical evidence of Mr. Obama's link to this part of the world,"
> said the rector.
> It was initially believed the would-be president's
> great-great-great-grandfather Fulmuth Kearney was the only one of his
> family to have sailed from Ireland to New York at age 19 in 1850.
> But the newly uncovered records show other family members had in fact
> emigrated to America since the 1790s.
> They also reveal that Fulmuth's father, Joseph, was a shoemaker -- a
> wealthy skilled trade at the time. "They would have been among the
> upper echelons of society back then," said Neill.
> He said he thinks the name Fulmuth -- unusual for an Irish man -- was
> most likely a surname that was taken as a first name.
> Obama was born in Hawaii to a black man from Kenya and a white woman
> -- with Irish links -- from Kansas. "I've got pieces of everybody in
> me," he has been quoted as saying.
> But does the piece from Moneygall make Obama -- who lives in the South
> Side's Kenwood neighborhood -- South Side Irish?
> "Of course," Burke said.
> Press Association of Ireland, with Sun-Times Staff Reporter Matthew
> Nickerson contributing
>

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Liam - I'm sure I have a copy at the office - will check on Monday - and ye=
s mine was also at Soar Valley - if I remember correctly much of this was a=
ctually down to Nessan himself
Joe

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Thanks Joe

It looks like it is held at a different place each year: the one that I
was intrested in was in 1989 at Soar Valley College (where Mary Hickman
gave her paper) but whther nessan organised this or someone else I don't
know: nothing in British or Irish University Libraries: one refence on
the net but wothout naming the organiser(s)

My publisher wants the name of the organising body



Liam



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I gave this one Liam - 12th Annual International Conference Irish
Dimensions In British Education, 'The Irish in Scotland: Hidden
Identity', on 8th April 1995. It was organised by Nessan Danaher at
Leicester College (or something like that). If I remember correctly it
was Mary that put me in touch with Nessan.

Joe

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To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
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Can someone help with this:

Mary hickman contributed a paper to an annual conference called:

'Irish Dimensions in British Education'


This was the 6th National Annual Conference held on Februrary 11th

Does anyone know the organisation/university that organises this
conference?

Who publishes the conference's proceedings??


Much thanks


Liam (Clarke)=20=20=20=20=20



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The conference was at Soar Valley College in Leicester and it was an annual
event organised by Nessan Danaher. The proceedings were never formally
published as such, but as I recall Nessan used to produce a conference
report which had the keynote speeches reproduced and abstracts of the
workshop/seminar presentations. I had copies of all of them upto 1995 but
left them behind when I departed the Institues of Irish Studies that year.

I don't know what happened to Nessan Danaher subsequently but the conference
was always an excellent event and very very significant in promoting the
idea of Irish Studies as a relevant and vital field within British
education. I remember both him and those conferences very fondly indeed.


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In his book "Postethnic America," David Hollinger made a point similar to Ward's and developed it more formally. He cited the case of Alex Haley, the writer credited with "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" as well as "Roots." The latter became a phenomenon in the U.S. in the late 1970s when it was turned into a miniseries for television. It, of course, traced the effort of Haley, a descendant of slaves, to do what many considered impossible -- trace his family to a specific place and people in Africa. Among other contributions, "Roots" touched on the topic of the Muslim origins of many Africans and of the survival of certain words from African languages in the U.S. After Haley's death, researchers brought some core parts of Haley's evidence and analysis into question. Picking sides in that debate is not germane here.

Hollinger noted that Haley could have as logically looked for his roots in Ireland as in Africa. Why did that possibility never occur to him or to those who read or viewed his story? Hollinger tied the reason to the "one drop" tradition that made any person with any quantum of black African heritage black in U.S. society. His argument was obvious, but he then went on to make more important points about the mutability of ethnic identification and against the reification of existing identities. He criticized, in particular, the efforts of some in the U.S. to prevent the census from allowing people to identity multiple racial origins. (The "some" were often civil rights advocates who worried that such a procedure could dilute black identity).

Tom

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Of course being 'Irish' and being 'black' aren't mutually exclusive, what I
was wondering about is whether being 'Irish-American' is a meaningful term
for people whose family left Ireland so many generations ago and who, by
now, must also have German etc ancestry as well. But on the question of
'black Irish' has does anyone know of any recent discussion on the
descendants of the Irish shipped to Jamaica and other Caribbean islands as
'bonded' servants? I have a photocopy of the book 'whence the black Irish
of Jamaica' which was published in the early 1900s and a more recent
populist book (the name of which escapes me) but haven't seen a great deal
of discussion on the matter - but since I'm not in an academic institution I
may have missed more recent research.

Muiris


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You might want to check out 'One Love': The Black Irish of Jamaica' on =
the
website www.thewildgeese.com. It's in the archives, grouped under "The
Americas."

Patricia Jameson-Sammartano

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Of course being 'Irish' and being 'black' aren't mutually exclusive, =
what I
was wondering about is whether being 'Irish-American' is a meaningful =
term
for people whose family left Ireland so many generations ago and who, by
now, must also have German etc ancestry as well. But on the question of
'black Irish' has does anyone know of any recent discussion on the
descendants of the Irish shipped to Jamaica and other Caribbean islands =
as
'bonded' servants? I have a photocopy of the book 'whence the black =
Irish
of Jamaica' which was published in the early 1900s and a more recent
populist book (the name of which escapes me) but haven't seen a great =
deal
of discussion on the matter - but since I'm not in an academic =
institution I
may have missed more recent research.

Muiris


>