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Can it be demonstrated that the Irish, at home and abroad, have unusually
high rates of depression and manic-depression -- in which case the quote
would be accurate -- or is any supposition to this effect a matter of
colonalism and its internalisation?

_________________________________________________
Kevin Kenny
Department of History
Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue
Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone: (617) 552-1196
Fax: (617) 552-3714

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Of MacEinri, Piaras
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I think it's a reflection of an appalling, essentialising, patronising
example of a classic alpha male version of the Celtic Identity, best summed
up by Chesterton 'all their wars were merry, and all their songs were sad'
but also reflected in Matthew Arnold's views of the Celts (touchy-feely
sensitive chaps, but not really very reliable, you know.. ) and a lot of
other British 19th century racist/colonialist views. Biggest culprits for
progagating this image? Us. Worst aspect? A lot of us actually identify with
it. Fanon and others have written the book on subaltern internalisation of
certain self-images...

Piaras

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Subject: [IR-D] gloom

I hope this question is not too frivolous for the list, or if it is,
that
you will intercept it, Bill, and not send it out .

There is a sort of a meme that I often see repeated, with slight
variations,
in different contexts. The gist of it is , "He has an abiding Irish
sense of
gloom, which sustained him through periodic bouts of joy."

I've seen this said of Yeats, of John McGahern, and just this week, in
someone's newspaper obituary (!)

Does anyone know the origins of this adaptable witticism??

Just idle curiosity on my part.


Jim Rogers

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For the record, I only wanted to find out who said it !

I have also heard it said of Beckett, but not ascribed to him

But this does open up some very interesting areas. I suppose that all humor
in some ways rests upon incongruity, but it seems as if in an Irish context
this quality becomes much more central, and indeed practically mandatory --
think of Mahaffey's quip a century ago to the effect that "Ireland is the
country where the inevitable never happens and the unexpected invariably
occurs." Examples could be multiplied endlessly.

Didn't our own Paddy write about Irish bulls in a chapter in his The
Creative Migrant series?

JR

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From: Kevin Kenny [mailto:kennyka[at]BC.EDU]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:48 AM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] gloom

Can it be demonstrated that the Irish, at home and abroad, have unusually
high rates of depression and manic-depression -- in which case the quote
would be accurate -- or is any supposition to this effect a matter of
colonalism and its internalisation?

_________________________________________________
Kevin Kenny
Department of History
Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue
Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone: (617) 552-1196
Fax: (617) 552-3714

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Of MacEinri, Piaras
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [IR-D] gloom

I think it's a reflection of an appalling, essentialising, patronising
example of a classic alpha male version of the Celtic Identity, best summed
up by Chesterton 'all their wars were merry, and all their songs were sad'
but also reflected in Matthew Arnold's views of the Celts (touchy-feely
sensitive chaps, but not really very reliable, you know.. ) and a lot of
other British 19th century racist/colonialist views. Biggest culprits for
progagating this image? Us. Worst aspect? A lot of us actually identify with
it. Fanon and others have written the book on subaltern internalisation of
certain self-images...

Piaras

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Sent: 19/07/2007 18:51
Subject: [IR-D] gloom

I hope this question is not too frivolous for the list, or if it is,
that
you will intercept it, Bill, and not send it out .

There is a sort of a meme that I often see repeated, with slight
variations,
in different contexts. The gist of it is , "He has an abiding Irish
sense of
gloom, which sustained him through periodic bouts of joy."

I've seen this said of Yeats, of John McGahern, and just this week, in
someone's newspaper obituary (!)

Does anyone know the origins of this adaptable witticism??

Just idle curiosity on my part.


Jim Rogers

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Kevin K. makes a good point. From a less than thorough browsing through the
literature -- most of it based in Britain and appearing in medical journals
-- it seems that the Irish immigrants score worse (higher or lower seems an
odd way to phrase it) than the resident population and at least some other
minority populations on some kinds of mental problems. I'd have to re-check
the lit, but I believe schizophrenia is one of them.

How to interpret it? Genetic predisposition (like sickle cell anemia or Tay
Sachs? The misadventures of the migrant/minority experience? Dysfunctional
family structures? I doubt that you'll get any agreement on that, and the
explanation preferred may tell as much about the researcher's attitudes
toward the Irish as about the actual etiology of the problem.

Stereotypes tend to be fractional truths. They're misleading, but they tend
to come out of something. I say that without any intention of "blaming the
victim" -- any stereotyped victim. Understanding the stereotypes takes two
steps: not ignoring why they may have arisen (including the behavior of
some members of the group and the self-interest of those creating the
stereotype) and balancing alternative explanations.

One piece I read when I was a young man in the 1960s came from an
anthropology journal in the 1950s. Being personally but not professionally
interested in the topic at the time, I neglected to save the citation. It
compared Jewish, Italian, and Irish patients in an American hospital. The
Jewish patients wanted to interact with the doctors and thoroughly
understand their illnesses and options; the Italians gathered families
around them and treated the illnesses as a communal experience; the Irish
cut themselves off from others and treated the illnesses as private battles.
Thinking back on it, the behaviors can be probably explained away by
non-ethnocultural factors, but every once in a while I wonder about those
findings.


Tom

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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:48 AM
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Can it be demonstrated that the Irish, at home and abroad, have unusually
high rates of depression and manic-depression -- in which case the quote
would be accurate -- or is any supposition to this effect a matter of
colonalism and its internalisation?

_________________________________________________
Kevin Kenny
Department of History
Boston College
140 Commonwealth Avenue
Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
Phone: (617) 552-1196
Fax: (617) 552-3714

-----Original Message-----
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf
Of MacEinri, Piaras
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:13 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] gloom

I think it's a reflection of an appalling, essentialising, patronising
example of a classic alpha male version of the Celtic Identity, best summed
up by Chesterton 'all their wars were merry, and all their songs were sad'
but also reflected in Matthew Arnold's views of the Celts (touchy-feely
sensitive chaps, but not really very reliable, you know.. ) and a lot of
other British 19th century racist/colonialist views. Biggest culprits for
progagating this image? Us. Worst aspect? A lot of us actually identify with
it. Fanon and others have written the book on subaltern internalisation of
certain self-images...

Piaras

-----Original Message-----
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To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: 19/07/2007 18:51
Subject: [IR-D] gloom

I hope this question is not too frivolous for the list, or if it is,
that
you will intercept it, Bill, and not send it out .

There is a sort of a meme that I often see repeated, with slight
variations,
in different contexts. The gist of it is , "He has an abiding Irish
sense of
gloom, which sustained him through periodic bouts of joy."

I've seen this said of Yeats, of John McGahern, and just this week, in
someone's newspaper obituary (!)

Does anyone know the origins of this adaptable witticism??

Just idle curiosity on my part.


Jim Rogers

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Gerald N. Grob, State and the Mentally Ill, The: A History of Worcester
State Hospital in Massachusetts 1830-1920 (Chapel Hill: University of =
North
Carolina Press, 1966) compared the diagnoses and treatment of patients =
at
Worcester State Hospital, one of the earliest mental hospitals in the US =
and
found, among other things, that the diagnosis offered for Irish =
patients
was more serious (almost always - incurable) than that for native-born
patients presenting the same symptoms. This would suggest that =
cultural;
attitudes play some role.=20

Bill Mulligan =20

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Graduate Program Coordinator=20
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA=20
Office: 1-270-809-6571
Fax: 1-270-809-6587=20
=20
=20

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For anyone pursuing this topic, there's also an essay in Mental Hygiene Vol. 47, No. 1 (January 1963) by Benjamin Malzberg, "Mental Disease Among Irish-born and Native Whites of Irish Parentage in New York State, 1949-1951," pp. 12-42. He finds that the rate of first admission to all hospitals for mental disease for Irish born and those of Irish parentage exceeded the rate for native whites. Also, that the Irish had higher rates of certain psychoses. Given the recent work on the Irish in Britain, wouldn't it be interesting to do a comparative study?

Marion

Marion R. Casey
Glucksman Ireland House
New York University

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Date: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:21 am
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> Kevin K. makes a good point. From a less than thorough browsing
> through the
> literature -- most of it based in Britain and appearing in medical journals
> -- it seems that the Irish immigrants score worse (higher or lower
> seems an
> odd way to phrase it) than the resident population and at least some
> other
> minority populations on some kinds of mental problems. I'd have to re-check
> the lit, but I believe schizophrenia is one of them.
>
> How to interpret it? Genetic predisposition (like sickle cell anemia
> or Tay
> Sachs? The misadventures of the migrant/minority experience? Dysfunctional
> family structures? I doubt that you'll get any agreement on that,
> and the
> explanation preferred may tell as much about the researcher's attitudes
> toward the Irish as about the actual etiology of the problem.
>
> Stereotypes tend to be fractional truths. They're misleading, but
> they tend
> to come out of something. I say that without any intention of
> "blaming the
> victim" -- any stereotyped victim. Understanding the stereotypes
> takes two
> steps: not ignoring why they may have arisen (including the behavior
> of
> some members of the group and the self-interest of those creating the
> stereotype) and balancing alternative explanations.
>
> One piece I read when I was a young man in the 1960s came from an
> anthropology journal in the 1950s. Being personally but not professionally
> interested in the topic at the time, I neglected to save the
> citation. It
> compared Jewish, Italian, and Irish patients in an American hospital.
> The
> Jewish patients wanted to interact with the doctors and thoroughly
> understand their illnesses and options; the Italians gathered families
> around them and treated the illnesses as a communal experience; the Irish
> cut themselves off from others and treated the illnesses as private battles.
> Thinking back on it, the behaviors can be probably explained away by
> non-ethnocultural factors, but every once in a while I wonder about those
> findings.
>
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf
> Of Kevin Kenny
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:48 AM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] gloom
>
> Can it be demonstrated that the Irish, at home and abroad, have unusually
> high rates of depression and manic-depression -- in which case the quote
> would be accurate -- or is any supposition to this effect a matter of
> colonalism and its internalisation?
>
> _________________________________________________
> Kevin Kenny
> Department of History
> Boston College
> 140 Commonwealth Avenue
> Chestnut Hill, MA 02467
> Phone: (617) 552-1196
> Fax: (617) 552-3714
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
> Behalf
> Of MacEinri, Piaras
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:13 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] gloom
>
> I think it's a reflection of an appalling, essentialising, patronising
> example of a classic alpha male version of the Celtic Identity, best
> summed
> up by Chesterton 'all their wars were merry, and all their songs were
> sad'
> but also reflected in Matthew Arnold's views of the Celts (touchy-feely
> sensitive chaps, but not really very reliable, you know.. ) and a lot
> of
> other British 19th century racist/colonialist views. Biggest
> culprits for
> progagating this image? Us. Worst aspect? A lot of us actually
> identify with
> it. Fanon and others have written the book on subaltern
> internalisation of
> certain self-images...
>
> Piaras
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Sent: 19/07/2007 18:51
> Subject: [IR-D] gloom
>
> I hope this question is not too frivolous for the list, or if it is,
> that
> you will intercept it, Bill, and not send it out .
>
> There is a sort of a meme that I often see repeated, with slight
> variations,
> in different contexts. The gist of it is , "He has an abiding Irish
> sense of
> gloom, which sustained him through periodic bouts of joy."
>
> I've seen this said of Yeats, of John McGahern, and just this week, in
> someone's newspaper obituary (!)
>
> Does anyone know the origins of this adaptable witticism??
>
> Just idle curiosity on my part.
>
>
> Jim Rogers
>
>

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The person to see regarding this whole question is Monica McGoldrick who
has been working with Ethnic Psychology for a long time. She wrote an
invaluable article titled "Irish Families" that I have, but the copy is
old and wanting its source page. Listed for her, though, I see "Family
Therapy with Irish-Americans," which may be the same article as "Irish
Families." I read the latter long since with great skepticism but found
it very intriguing indeed. Her argument for ethnically conscious therapy
is convincing.

John McNulty titled one of his New Yorker pieces "He's Irish and he
broods Easy." See my article by that title in the present issue of The
Recorder.















Jack Morgan
Research Professor of English
University of Missouri-Rolla
Rolla, MO. 65401

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Eilean Ni Chuilleanain Special Issue...

P.O'S.

IRISH UNIVERSITY REVIEW
VOL 37; PART 1; 2007
ISSN 0021-1427

pp. 1-21
`The World Not Dead After All': Eilean Ni Chuilleanain's Work of Revival.
Batten, G.

pp. 22-35
`Each Page Lies Open to the Version of Every Other': History in the Poetry
of Eilean Ni Chuilleanain.
Allen, N.

pp. 36-49
Interview with Eilean Ni Chuilleanain
Haberstroh, P. B.

pp. 50-52
Poems: `The Sister' and `The Cold'.
Chuilleanain, E. N.

pp. 53-67
`Hundred-Pocketed Time': Ni Chuilleanain's Baroque Spaces.
Johnston, D.

pp. 68-83
`Alcove in the Wind': Silence and Space in Ni Chuilleanain's Poetry.
Farago, B.

pp. 84-97
The Architectural Metaphor in the Poetry of Eilean Ni Chuilleanain.
Haberstroh, P. B.

pp. 98-114
`Like a Shadow in Water': Phenomenology and Poetics in the Work of Eilean Ni
Chuilleanain.
Nordin, I. G.

pp. 115-130
`A Snake Pouring Over the Ground': Nature and the Sacred in Eilean Ni
Chuilleanain.
Holdridge, J.

pp. 131-156
Good Faith in Religion and Art: The Later Poetry of Eilean Ni Chuilleanain.
Clutterbuck, C.

pp. 157-177
`No Lasting Fruit at all': Containment, Recognition, and Relinquishing in
The Girl Who Married the Reindeer.
Coughlan, P.

pp. 178-196
Praeteritio: (Non-) Possession and the Translational Impulse in Ni
Chuilleanain's Work.
O Malley, A.

pp. 197-201
Italian Dialogues: An Interview with Eilean Ni Chuilleanain.
de Petris, C.

pp. 202-205
Poems (in Italian Translation).
Chuilleanain, E. N.

pp. 206-229
Forms of Exile: Reading Cyphers.
Mulhall, A.

pp. 230-243
`We Could be in any City': Eilean Ni Chuilleanain and Cork.
McCarthy, T.

pp. 244-250
Eilean Ni Chuilleanain: A Select Bibliography.
Farago, B.; Fogarty, A.

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The research summary issue...

P.O'S.

IRISH POLITICAL STUDIES
VOL 22; NUMBER 2; 2007
ISSN 0790-7184

pp. 227-264
Northern Ireland.

pp. 139-225
Republic of Ireland.

pp. 133-137
Ark (Northern Ireland Social and Political Archive): The Northern Ireland
Qualitative Catalogue and Archive on the Conflict.
Mcloughlin, P.; McNally, M.; Miller, R.

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ETUDES IRLANDAISES
VOL 32; NUMB 1; 2007
ISSN 0183-973X

pp. 7-20
"Question me again": l'elegie dans Opened Ground de Seamus Heaney.
Soenen, D.

pp. 21-32
Powerful Voices: Female Narrators and Unreliability in Three Irish Novels.
D hoker, E.

pp. 33-42
"As He Conjugates the Verb `to have'": The Art of Possession in Muldoon's
Madoc: A Mystery.
Fitzpatrick Smith, J.

pp. 43-60
Corporeal Architecture: Body and City in Colum McCann's This Side of
Brightness.
Cahill, S.

pp. 61-76
Race, Language and Social Class in Seventeenth-Century Ireland.
Morris, L. P.

pp. 77-90
The Dreyfus Affair in the Irish Nationalist Press, 1898-1899.
Barrett, R.

pp. 91-108
An Earnest Endeavour for Peace? Unionist Opinion and the Craig/Collins Peace
Pact of 30 March 1922.
Norton, C.

pp. 109-126
Putting Women in the Picture: the Impact of the Northern Ireland Women's
Coalition on Northern Irish Politics.
Molinari, V.

pp. 127-142
"The fragments they shore up against their ruins": Loyalism, Alienation and
Fear of Change in Gary Mitchell's As the Beast Sleeps and the Force of
Change.
Gray, B.

p. 143
Maria EDGEWORTH: An Essay on Irish Bulls.
Fierobe, C.

p. 144
William CARLETON: Le Prophete noir, Preface de Claude Fierobe, traduit de
l'anglais par Claude Fierobe, Emile-Jean Dumay et Francoise Canon-Roger.
Escarbelt, B.

p. 145
Glenn HOOPER: Travel writing and Ireland, 1760-1860. Culture, History,
Politics.
Robatel, A.

p. 145
Frederic RODEN ed.: Palgrave advances in Oscar Wilde studies.
Fierobe, C.

p. 146
Christina Hunt MAHONY, ed.: Out of History: Essays on the Writings of
Sebastian Barry.
Dumay, E. J.

p. 147
Stephane LEBECQ et al: Histoire des iles britanniques.
Escarbelt, B.

p. 148
David McWILLIAMS: The Pope's Children. Ireland's New Elite.
Guillaumond, J.

p. 149
Michael J. O'SULLIVAN: Ireland and the Global Question.
Gillissen, C.

p. 150
David O'HARA: English Newsbooks and Irish Rebellion, 1641-1649.
Bigand, K.

p. 151
Leith DAVIS: Music, Postcolonialism, and Gender - The construction of Irish
National Identity.
Falc her-Poyroux, E.

p. 151
Desmond NORTON: Landlords, Tenants, Famine: The Business of an Irish Land
Agency in the 1840s.
Goldring, M.

p. 152
Adrian MILLAR: Socio-ideological fantasy and the Northern Ireland conflict,
the Other side.
Privas, V.

p. 153
Patrick MAUME ed.: D.P. Moran. The Philosophy of Irish Ireland.
Barre, R.

p. 154
JONATHAN GITHENS-MAZER: Myths and Memories of the Easter Rising, Cultural
and Political Nationalism in Ireland.
Mailhes, C.

p. 155
Aoife BHREATNACH: Becoming Conspicuous. Irish Travellers, Society and the
State 1922-70.
Escarbelt, B.

p. 155
Meghan NUTTALL SAYRES: Weaving Tapestry in Rural Ireland: Taipeis Gael,
Donegal.
Mebarki, F.

p. 156
Ruth BARTON: Acting Irish in Hollywood, from Fitzgerald to Farrell.
Le Corff, I.

p. 157
John COLLINS: Cool Waters, Emerald seas, Diving in temperate waters.
Fierobe, C.

p. 158
Jacqueline GENET, Sylvie MIKOWSKI et Fabienne GARCIER (sous la direction
de), Le livre en Irlande: l'imprime en contexte.

p. 158
Version anglaise: The Book in Ireland, Newcastle, Cambridge Scholars Press,
2006.
Brihault, J.

pp. 159-163
W.B. Yeats a la National Library de Dublin.
Genet, J.

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Forwarded on behalf of
Working Class Movement Library

=91Those Bold Fenian Men=92: Remembering the Manchester Martyrs

A one-day conference=20
hosted jointly by the=20
Working Class Movement Library=20
and the=20
University of Central Lancashire.

Saturday 24 November 2007=20
10.30am to 4.30pm

=93All the Fenians lacked was martyrs. These they have been presented =
with.
Through the
execution of these men, the liberation of Kelley and Deasey has been =
made an
act of
heroism which will now be sung over the cradle of every Irish child. The
Irish women will
take care of that =85 The Fenians could not wish for a better =
precedent=94.
Frederick Engels to Karl Marx, 1867.

On 23 November 1867, three Irish nationalists were hanged in Manchester =
for
their part in
the accidental shooting of a policeman two months earlier. Although the
three men were
known to be Fenians, it was unlikely that any of them were responsible =
for
the killing of
P.C. Brent. Consequently, they became known as the =91Manchester =
Martyrs=92.
Their hanging
brought thousands of people onto the streets of Manchester to protest =
about
their
sentence. Their deaths also had international repercussions, extending =
from
North America
to Australia. Arguably, the hanging of the Manchester Martyrs was the =
single
most
important incident that occurred during the Fenian uprisings in 1867.

This one-day conference, which coincides with the 140th anniversary of =
the
hanging of
William Phillip Allen, Michael Larkin, Michael O'Brien, explores the =
history
and legacy of
what happened in Manchester that year. It explores the background to the
Fenian agitation
in Manchester, while placing the Irish nationalist struggle in its
international context.
The cultural legacy of the Manchester Martyrs will also be examined,
especially the way in
which they have been remembered and memorialised =96 in music, =
literature and
monuments.

The speakers include Michael Herbert, author of The Wearing of the =
Green: A
Political
History of the Irish in Manchester (2001) and Professor Christine =
Kinealy,
whose
publications include This Great Calamity: The Irish Famine 1845-52 (1994 =
and
2006) and A
New History of Ireland (2004). It will be jointly hosted by the Working
Class Movement
Library and the University of Central Lancashire. The venue is the =
Working
Class Movement
Library in Salford.=20

Attendance must be pre-booked. WCML will be providing a sandwich lunch =
for
which tickets,
price =A36, must be bought in advance to allow catering needs to be
calculated. Send a
cheque made payable to WCML, and specifying it=92s for =9124 November =
study day
refreshments=92,
to WCML, 51 The Crescent, Salford M5 4WX. =20

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Dorothy Macardle
A Life
NADIA CLARE SMITH

Publication date: August 2007
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Publisher:
The Woodfield Press
ISBN
ISBN 978-1-905094-03-5

PUBLISHER MATERIAL FOLLOWS...

"Many readers will be aware of Macardle's monumental book, The Irish =
Republic, but few will know much about the author. This, the first =
biography of Macardle, alerts us to her as a political and social =
activist, a writer and broadcaster who operated on an international =
stage, a friend and confidante of many of the leading politicians and =
cultural figures of her generation. Smith has done an immense service to =
Irish political and cultural historiography in returning Macardle from =
obscurity." MARIA LUDDY

=E2=80=9CThe passion for national independence can be as personal, =
heartfelt a thing as love or ambition or the fear of death.=E2=80=9D =
DOROTHY MACARDLE, the Nation, 24 August 1929

Mainly remembered for The Irish Republic and her close association with =
=C3=89amon de Valera, Dorothy Macardle (1889-1958) was one of the most =
popular and influential Irish historians of her time. She was not only a =
historian, but also a journalist, playwright, novelist, political =
activist, and student of the occult. This first biography of Macardle =
traces her life from her involvement in the War of Independence to her =
role as a leading civil libertarian in the 1950s, and discusses her =
literary career and international human rights work. An Irish =
nationalist writer with an international reputation, Dorothy Macardle =
was a woman of many parts, and her career sheds light on modern Irish =
political history, interwar-era women=E2=80=99s history, and Irish =
historiography and literature.=20

THE AUTHOR
Nadia Clare Smith received her PhD in history from Boston College, where =
she has also taught. She is the author of A 'Manly Study'? Irish Women =
Historians, 1868=E2=80=931949 (Basingstoke and New York: Palgrave =
Macmillan, 2006). A specialist in modern Irish history, her work has =
been recognized by the Fulbright Commission and the Irish Research =
Council for the Humanities and Social Sciences.

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Irish Studies Review: Volume 15 Issue 3

This new issue contains the following articles:

'The Lost Tribes Of Ireland' p. 267
Authors: Brian Walker

Bodies For Sale p. 283
Authors: James Ward

All Politics is Local p. 295
Authors: Elizabeth Keane

On Not Safeguarding The Cultural Heritage p. 317
Authors: Sarah Brouillette


Irish Studies, Cultural Pluralism and the Peace Process p. 333
Authors: Andrew Finlay

Institutional Change And Irish Public Broadcasting p. 347
Authors: Kenneth Murphy

The Blood Of An Irishwoman p. 365
Authors: Kathleen Vejvoda

History, Politics And Culture p. 377
Authors: Graham Davis

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The last chapter in Tim Pat Coogan, Wherever Green is Worn deals with Japan
and Asia. The footnotes refer mostly to interviews and letters to the
author.

Bill Mulligan

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Graduate Program Coordinator
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA
Office: 1-270-809-6571
Fax: 1-270-809-6587

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The Monica McGoldrick references are

McGoldrick, Monica, and John K. Pearce. "Family Therapy With
Irish-Americans." Family Process 20, no. 2 (1981): 223 - 241.

See also
BYRNE, NOLLAIG. "COMMENTS." Family Process 20.2 (1981): 241 - 244.
and

McGoldrick, Monica, and John K. Pearce. "Rejoinder, Family Therapy With
Irish-Americans." Family Process 20, no. 2 (1981): 244-244.

McGOLDRICK, MONICA, and MICHAEL ROHRBAUGH. "Researching Ethnic Family
Stereotypes." Family Process 26, no. 1 (1987): 89-

Abstract
'Ethnic stereotypes in the family therapy literature make intuitive sense,
but are based on surprisingly little empirical data. In a questionnaire
survey of the family experiences of 220 mental health professionals
representing eight American ethnic groups, most items differentiated the
groups as predicted. A smaller, partial replication study comparing samples
from Holland, Ireland, and North America found fewer discriminating items,
but the differences that did appear were again as predicted. Implications
for therapy and research with ethnic families are discussed.'

They have been listed before on IR-D and the references are therefore in our
database. The articles are of their time, but do remain interesting -
partly because they list the nest of problems addressed and re-addressed,
and needing to be re-addressed.

I do have this material as emailable computer files, so... usual between the
lines conditions apply...

Patrick O'Sullivan


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The person to see regarding this whole question is Monica McGoldrick who
has been working with Ethnic Psychology for a long time. She wrote an
invaluable article titled "Irish Families" that I have, but the copy is
old and wanting its source page. Listed for her, though, I see "Family
Therapy with Irish-Americans," which may be the same article as "Irish
Families." I read the latter long since with great skepticism but found
it very intriguing indeed. Her argument for ethnically conscious therapy
is convincing.

John McNulty titled one of his New Yorker pieces "He's Irish and he
broods Easy." See my article by that title in the present issue of The
Recorder.















Jack Morgan
Research Professor of English
University of Missouri-Rolla
Rolla, MO. 65401

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Don't know if it's pertinent or not, but:

John D. Cussen, "Yeats Studies: A Korean Memoir,' New Hibernia Review =
1, 2
(Summer 1997), 97-111

I'd be happy to send along a copy

Jim Rogers

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Caitriona.

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University College Cork

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The following item has been brought to our attention...

Eamon Maher, Eugene O'Brien and Grace Neville (eds), Reinventing Ireland
Through a French Prism (Frankfurt am Main: Peter Lang, 2007). Volume I =
of
the Studies in Franco-Irish Relations series.=A0 ISBN: 978 3 631 56639 8

Table of Contents

Pr=E9face =96 Michel D=E9on (de l=92Acad=E9mie Fran=E7aise)
Introduction (The Editors)

Part I =96 The Historical Context
Chapter One=A0 Michael Cronin: The Shining Tumultuous River? Irish
Perspectives on Europe
Chapter Two=A0 Serge Rivi=E8re and Jenny O=92Connor: The Representation =
of the
Irish cultural landscape in the Journals of Montalembert (1830) and
Tocqueville (1835)
Chapter Three Yann B=E9vant: La 36=E8me division d=92Ulster, un mythe =
irlandais n=E9
en France
Chapter Four=A0 Catherine Burke: Bowen=92s London as a du Bellian Rome
Chapter Five=A0=A0 Louise Fuller: The French Catholic Experience: Irish
Connections and Disconnections

Part II =96 19th Century Literary Links
Chapter Six=A0 Jean Brihault: Lady Morgan: Building Bridges
Chapter Seven=A0 Anne Markey: French culture and Oscar Wilde=92s fairy =
tales: an
unexplored
interlink with neglected works of art
Chapter Eight Mary Pierse: George Moore and =91le moment =
c=E9libataire=92.

Part III =96 Convergence of 19th and 20th Century Thought
Chapter Nine=A0=A0 Brigitte Le Juez: =AB A l=92instar du grand =
Gustave=85 =BB et =E0
l=92encontre des psittacid=E9s:=A0 : Beckett h=E9ritier de Flaubert
Chapter Ten John McDonagh: =93Tore down =E0 la Rimbaud=94: Brendan =
Kennelly and
the=20
French Connection
Chapter Eleven Sarah Nolan: Modern Living, Modern Loving - Baudelaire =
and
Sirr
Chapter Twelve Sylvie Mikowski: The Barracks de John McGahern et =
Flaubert

Part IV =96 20th Century Literature
Chapter Thirteen=A0=A0 Raymond Mullen: =93The womb and the grave=94: =
Living, Loving
and Dying in John McGahern=92s The Pornographer and Albert Camus=92 =
L=92=C9tranger
Chapter Fourteen Eamon Maher: John Broderick (1924-89) and the French =
=91Roman
Catholique=92=20
Chapter Fifteen Joan Dargan: From =93Omphalos=94 to=A0 =
=93Testimonies=94: France in
the Works of Seamus Heaney

Part V =96 Theoretical / Cultural Links
Chapter Sixteen=A0 Eugene O=92Brien: Vivre la diff=E9r[a]ence: French =
and Irish
Republicanism =96 towards=A0 a deconstructive intertextual critique
Chapter Seventeen=A0 Paula Murphy: French Theory and Irish Theatre on =
the
Hinterland of Modernity=20
Chapter Eighteen=A0=A0 Emilie Bordenave: Nicolas Bouvier : un regard =AB =
fran=E7ais
=BB sur les =EEles d=92Aran=20
Chapter Nineteen=A0 Philip Dine: Tackling Les Diables Verts: French =
Writers on
Irish Rugby=20

Notes on Contributors
Index=20

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=20

A student of mine is looking for references on the Irish in Asia. I =
cannot think of any but maybe someone on the list can help?

=20

Thanks in advance,

Caitriona.

=20

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Department of Geography

University College Cork

Cork.

=20

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http://migration.ucc.ie/children

=20

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One way to approach this topic is through Catholic missionary work in East Asia. For example, many Maryknoll priests and nuns were first generation Irish-Americans in the Catholic Foreign Mission Society of America's early years. Three books to start with might be Maryknoll in China, 1918-1955; Bishop Walsh of Maryknoll; and The Pagoda and the Cross, The Life of Bishop Ford of Maryknoll.

I believe Asia is also touched upon in Part II: Building the World of the documentary The Irish Empire (1999).

Marion

Marion R. Casey
Glucksman Ireland House
New York University

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A quick look at
http://www.bl.uk/collections/britirish/diasporairishin.html#india
brings up the following

The Connaught Rangers, T.P. Kilfeather. Tralee: Anvil Books, 1969. X.708/6189

"Damn tight place(s)": with apologies to Rudyard Kipling: the life and
times of Nicholas Marshall Cummins, a young Irish Civil Engineer in
the employment of the East India Railway Co., prior to, during and
after the 1857 Indian Mutiny ..., compiled from N. M. Cummins [sic]
memoirs and other sources by Lorne C. MacPherson. Magog, Que.:
MacPherson Lumber Inc., 1994.
British Library Oriental and India Office Collections shelfmark: ORW.1994.a.1649

The devil to pay: the mutiny of the Connaught Rangers, India,
July, 1920, by Anthony Babington. London: Leo Cooper, 1991. YC.1991.b.6568

Imperial affinities: nineteenth century analogies and exchanges
between India and Ireland, Scott B. Cook. New Delhi, London: Sage
Publications, 1993. YC.1993.a.4769

Ireland and India: connections, comparisons, contrasts, edited by
Michael Holmes and Denis Holmes, sponsored by the Irish-Indian
Business and Economic Association, the Department of Government and
Society, University of Limerick. Dublin: Folens, 1997. YC.1998.b.3972

The Irish Raj: illustrated stories about Irish in India and Indians in
Ireland, Narinder Kapur. Antrim: Greystone, 1997. British Library
Oriental and India Office Collections shelfmark: ORW.1997.a.2307

The Rajah from Tipperary [George Thomas 1756?-1802], Maurice Hennessy.
London: Sidgwick and Jackson, 1971. British Library Oriental and India
Office Collections shelfmark: T 25952

This might also be of interest:

http://www.shamrock712hk.com/

Shamrock Lodge No. 712 IC, Hong Kong

Muiris

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Both Kevin Kenny (ed., Companion volume to the Oxford History of the Britis=
h Empire) and Andy Bielenberg (The Irish Diaspora) have written in their =
own collections on aspects of Irish migration in the British Empire. Keit=
h Jeffery (ed) An Irish Empire? also has a piece on Ireland and India by =
Tom Fraser. My colleagues Eamonn O'Ciardha and Bob Welch are currently wo=
rking on an anthology on the Irish and India, but that's in the preparato=
ry stage. I'm not sure any of the above goes further east than south Asia=
, however. Then, Malcolm Campbell has written on the Irish in Pacific (Jo=
urnal of Pacific History I think), but he's mainly connecting west-coast =
US with Australasia. So what resides in-between for the Irish world? Quit=
e a lot, I suspect, but perhaps not much of it written about.

Don MacRaild
Univ of Ulster.