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CFP: Irish America 1945-1960

CALL FOR PAPERS
Irish America, 1945-1960

America in the postwar era has been the subject of extensive critical and
historical examination in recent years, but, with few exceptions, the
picture drawn of the Irish-American community during this period has
presumed its deliquescence. Received wisdom suggests that postwar
suburbanization and upward mobility eroded the distinctiveness of
Irish-American ethnicity, accelerating the homogenizing effects of "ethnic
fade." The election of John F. Kennedy election in 1960 seemed to reflect
the notion that the deracinated offspring of the Famine Irish were now
"safe" enough to be trusted with the reins of power.

We propose a collection of essays that examines and challenges these
assumptions. The story of Irish America at mid-century possesses a unique
significance. The proliferation of labor-saving mechanization in Ireland
produced one last exodus from Ireland that briefly restored transatlantic
networks after a generation of disuse. On the other side of the Atlantic,
anticommunist rhetoric bestowed new status on Irish Americans as champions
of ethnic patriotism ("A Nation of Immigrants"), reversing longstanding
insinuations about hyphenated identities. Fiction by O'Connor, O'Faolain,
Bowen and others frequently appeared in prestigious American periodicals.
Irish performers, notably the Clancy Brothers, played a significant role in
the first stirrings of the later "folk revival." Irish Americans also
followed the postwar campaign against Partition, with a few expatriates
taking an active role in support of the I.R.A.'s "border campaign." On the
eve of mass tourism and affordable transatlantic travel, Irish experiences
and images still retained an exoticism, at the same time as novels (The Last
Hurrah), motion pictures (The Quiet Man), and television programs ("The Life
of Riley") took up Irish-American storylines and characters as a means of
simultaneously presenting, and stepping outside, the mainstream of popular
culture.

Possible topics may include but are not limited to: immigration; nostalgia;
tourism; suburbanization; interethnic relations; labor history; religious
history; music and dance; Gaelic sports; the Irish language in America;
Irish authors' relations with American publishers and audiences; and
individual artists and works, including television.

A major Irish publisher has expressed strong interest in this project.
Established scholars in Irish Studies and American Studies have already
agreed to contribute to this collection; however, we welcome engaging work
from both established and new scholars alike.

Please e-mail an abstract (Word or RTF, please -no PDFs) of 250-300 words to
both Dr. Matthew O'Brien, The Franciscan University of Steubenville
(mattobrien1968[at]yahoo.com ) and James Rogers, University of St Thomas
(jrogers[at]stthomas.edu) before September 30, 2007. The editors will select
proposals and provide further guidelines shortly after that date. We
anticipate the deadline for completed chapters to be approximately April,
2008.

James S. Rogers
Managing Director/Center for Irish Studies
Editor/New Hibernia Review
University of St Thomas #5008
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St Paul, MN 55105-1096
(651) 962-5662
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From: William Jenkins [wjenkins[at]yorku.ca] Date sent: September 15, 2007

"Diasporas and homelands: networks, politics, and practices"

Association of American Geographers (AAG) Annual Conference April 15-19,
2008, Boston

Organized paper session(s) sponsored by the Cultural and Historical
Geography Specialty Groups of the AAG

Organizer: William Jenkins, York University

This session seeks to bring together scholars undertaking research on
diasporic populations in an effort to advance conceptual and comparative
approaches to their study in geography. It is firstly hoped to develop
understandings of the various types of cultural and political networks
or connections that are forged between diasporas and their homelands,
the work that such networks do, and how they become played out in
practical, material and imaginative terms within public, private and
even surreptitious spaces. A related aim is to clarify and compare how
such diasporic connections promote discourses, knowledges and 'facts'
about the historical and geographical contours of 'the homeland' across
a range of host societies. While the content of such knowledges may
encompass place names, landscapes and 'memorable' histories in textual
or other forms, the acts and rituals that they inspire and motivate
across various diasporic sites are also worthy of attention. As
scholars have recognized, such acts may encompass a wide spectrum of
possibilities, including the routine staging of ethno-cultural
festivals, celebrations and commemorations; the establishment of
networks geared towards political fund-raising and/or revolutionary
violence; and the act of returning to the homeland itself. Papers that
connect to these themes in both historical and contemporary contexts are
all welcome.

Potential paper topics might include, but are not limited to, the
following:

The cultural and political work of diasporic spaces The significance of
place: comparative studies of diasporas Diasporas and the narration of
homeland Diasporas and secret spaces Displaying diaspora: material
culture and the performance of diasporic identities Enacting memories of
displacement Circulating myths of diasporic descent and ancestry
Recognizing shared histories: forging diasporic alliances within and
across places Institutionalizing diaspora: monuments and museums
Deconstructing diasporic homogeneity: race, class, gender, religion
Diasporic populations and host cultures: dimensions of cultural and
political exchange Diasporic imaginations and the event of return

Should you be interested in presenting a paper in this session, please
email your title and abstract (no more than 250 words) by Monday,
October 8 to William Jenkins, Department of Geography, York University,
at wjenkins[at]yorku.ca.

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Graduate Program Coordinator
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA
Office: 1-270-809-6571
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CALL FOR PAPERS

Militarized Landscapes Conference 3-6 September 2008: Goldney Hall,
University of Bristol, UK

The decimation of Vietnamese jungles with the defoliant Agent Orange in
the 1960s and the acrid black smoke billowing from burning oil wells
during the Gulf War of 1990-1991 directed media and public attention
towards war's environmental impact. Yet even before the first bomb is
dropped, militarism and the preparation for warfare materially and
imaginatively reshape landscapes and environments through army bases,
training grounds, and other facilities. This small-scale conference, to
be held at the University of Bristol, will address this area of growing
interest to scholars, policy-makers, and public opinion by situating
militarized landscapes within their geographical and historical
contexts.

This event forms part of a three-year research project funded by the
UK's Arts and Humanities Research Council (AHRC). Further details can be
found
at:
http://www.landscape.ac.uk/larger_grants/militarized_landscapes_project_
details.htm

We invite proposals for individual papers from historians, geographers,
natural scientists, archaeologists, and others working in related
disciplines. Proposals from PhD candidates are also encouraged.
Abstracts of up to 500 words and a two page CV should be submitted by
e-mail to the conference organizer (Peter Coates) by 31 December 2007.
Decisions will be made by 1 February 2008. Funding is available to cover
participants' costs and a visit to a militarized landscape will occupy
one of the three conference days. Pre-circulation of papers is envisaged
to maximize discussion time and we plan to publish a volume based on
selected conference papers.

Possible themes include (but are not limited to):

Creation of military sites/Militarization of the landscape Human impacts
of landscape militarization Military environmentalism Managing military
lands Biodiversity on military lands Technology, landscape and
militarism Visualizing military landscapes Protesting military
landscapes Experiencing nature in militarized landscapes Converting
military sites Conserving military landscapes Heritage and military
landscapes Future of military landscapes

For further details and to submit paper abstracts and CVs (by 31
December 2007), please contact:

Professor Peter Coates
Historical Studies
School of Humanities
11 Woodland Road,
University of Bristol

William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D.
Professor of History
Graduate Program Coordinator
Murray State University
Murray KY 42071-3341 USA
Office: 1-270-809-6571
Fax: 1-270-809-6587

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STUDIES -DUBLIN-
VOL 96; NUMB 383; 2007
ISSN 0039-3495

pp. 235-244
Science and Certainty.
Appleyard, B.

pp. 245-256
Science vs Religion.
Murphy, S.

pp. 257-270
Intelligent Design.
Reville, W.

pp. 271-281
"But it's so Obvious!".
Coghlan, N.

p. 282
Reading the Tain: a poem.
Hicks, P.

pp. 283-294
Beyond Omega.
Feehan, J.

pp. 295-307
Chance and Irish Involvement in Two Scientific Revolutions.
Kingston, W.

p. 308
In a Golden Field: a poem.
Bristow, D.

pp. 309-322
The Integral Vision of Ken Wilber.
O Cuinn, C.

pp. 323-327
After God: Richard Kearney and the Religious Turn in Continental Philosophy,
by John Panteleimon Manoussakis.
Anderson, M. M.

pp. 328-336
Evil, God, the greater good and rights: the philosophical origins of social
problems by Bryan Fanning.
Mooney, T.

pp. 337-338
Freedom: licence or liberty? Engaging with a transforming Ireland, ed. Harry
Bohan.
Gaughan, J. A.

pp. 339-341
A Fractured Relationship: Faith and the Crisis of Culture, by Thomas J.
Norris.
O Grady, P.

pp. 342-344
In Poorer Quarters, by Aidan Matthews.
Hutchinson, J.

pp. 345-346
Vision and Vacancy: The Fictions of J.S. Le Fanu, by James Walton.
Kileen, J.

pp. 347-349
The Stapleton Collection: Designs for the Irish Neoclassical Interior, by
Conor Lucey.
White, J.

pp. 350-351
Understanding John McGahern by David Malcolm.
Maher, E.

pp. 352-354
Twentieth-Century Fiction by Irish Women: Nation and Gender, by Heather
Ingman.
Delaney, P.

pp. 355-356
Irish Regiments in the World Wars, by David Murphy.
Prendergast, G.

pp. 357-358
That Neutral Island - A cultural history of Ireland during the Second World
War, by Clair Wills.
Farmar, T.

pp. 359-362
Socio-ideological fantasy and the Northern Ireland conflict: The Other Side,
by Adrian Millar.
Langan, M. D.

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I want to thank Bill Mulligan for looking after the day to day Moderation of
the Irish Diaspora list over the past months.

This left me free to focus more sensibly on my own work, and take some
holiday time. In our narrowboat we have now crossed the Pennines twice -
and seen many extraordinary and beautiful parts of the English canal system.

I have now again taken over day to day management of the list - so that Bill
is free to teach his thousands of students...

So, no more kindly Bill Mulligan. No more easygoing benignity... Fierce
discipline returns, order, structure...

I had the interesting experience, on my return, of having to read the
archives of the IR-D list, to find out what I had missed.

Tidying up...

Dympna quoted me on the 'tally stick' - ' is it not time we had a good look
at the 'bata scoir'. I raised the query in a book review, Malcolm Chapman:
The Celts: The Construction of a Myth'. The review is on irishdiaspora.net.


And it occurred to me then that I had never seen proper evidence for the
tally stick. In fact, since I wrote that review, I see that Michael Coleman
has been very carefully over the evidence. The tally stick is almost
essential to Michael Coleman's arguments (Irish and American Indian
experiences of education). But he is too fine a scholar to just accept the
rolled up received wisdom...

The references are
Coleman M. 'Some kind of gibberish': Irish-speaking children in the
National Schools, 1850-1922. Studia Anglica Posnaniensia: international
review of English Studies 1998; 33: 93-103.

Coleman MC. The Responses of American Indian Children and Irish Children to
the School, 1850s-1920s: A Comparative Study in Cross-Cultural Education.
American Indian Quarterly 1999; 23(3/4): 83 - 112.

This is from 'Some kind of gibberish'...

'...Some teachers--Irish men and women themselves, convinced of the utility
of English and anxious to please their Board superiors--employed various
punishments to compel the abandonment of the old language. Maurice
O'Sullivan (1983: 207-208) of the Blasket Islands remembered an older man
who told him how the teacher pinned a board to his back with the words "If
you speak a word of Irish you will be beaten on the back and flank" And
Patrick Shea (1981: 1) told how at his father's school in Kerry, "the use of
the Irish language was a punishable offence". As a result the older man,
though bilingual, had never learned to read or write in Irish. Shea and his
siblings grew up without the language. An informant of the Irish Folklore
Commission (Irish Folklore Collection, vol. 657, p. 119. Hereafter IFC 657:
119. In Irish) told how, at his school in the nineteenth century, pupils who
entered without English had to stand silently in one place all day and
listen to the class conversation. Another informant (IFC 657: 1 04. In
Irish) remembered pupils having to wear a dunce's cap for speaking Irish.
Some teachers resorted to the "tally stick", infamous in Irish folk memory.
In 1855, according to Seamas O'Casside (IFC 495: 219. In Irish), his teacher
placed a cord around the necks of pupils, and marked the cord each time the
child spoke Irish: "and he would get a slap in the evening for each mark on
the cord". The Irish Folklore Commission has gathered over seventy accounts
(IFC vols. 495, 657) of the tally slick in various parts of Ireland during
the nineteenth century, but only a few are first-person accounts such as
O'Casside's. None of the published autobiographies which I examined mentions
the tally stick, however, and Victor Durkacz (1983: 223224) discounts the
whole folk tradition. However, it is likely that, along with initial
incomprehension, some Irish-speaking children faced such continuing
humiliation until they acquired English...'

The reference to Durkacz is
Durkacz, Victor Edward
1983 The decline of the Celtic languages: A study of linguistic and cultural
conflict in Scotland, Wales and Ireland from the Reformation to the
twentieth century. Edinburgh: Donald.

There is a very similar paragraph in
COLEMAN MC. 'EYES BIG AS BOWLS WITH FEAR AND WONDER': CHILDREN'S RESPONSES
TO THE IRISH NATIONAL SCHOOLS, 1850-1922. Section C, Proceedings of the
Royal Irish Academy 1998; 98C: 177-202.

As to these articles, usual between the lines conditions apply. But you can
get 'Some kind of gibberish' from The Free Library web site, and 'Eyes as
big as bowls' from the RIA web site.

I think that thereafter you would be looking at the tally stick in Irish
nationalist rhetoric.

I thought that Edmundo and Guillermo and were very sane about that 'Irish'
mention in the article, GOEBEL (2007) A Movement from Right to Left... With
the proviso, I suppose, that studies of terrorist and freedom fighter groups
do suggest that friendship and kinship networks can form the basis of
activist networks - think Hart on the IRA. But I agree that what we have
here is contamination by the discourse of the 'Irish' in English-speaking
countries - which, of course, Edmundo has had to deal with in his lectures
and papers. Basque names are not quite so distinctive in Latin America, but
I wonder if the commentators would have said anything similar about the
Basques.

Again, my thanks to Bill Mulligan...

P.O'S.

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Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

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Working Papers in Urban Language & Literacies
Kinns College London

FROM THE WEB SITE
Introduction
This series focuses on language and literacies in socially stratified and
ethnically plural urban settings. It publishes research committed to:

* Developing applied, educational and sociolinguistic frameworks
adequate to the analysis of contemporary urban language, literacies,
interaction and learning
* Developing modes of intervention within language policy and practice
that are productively tuned to the local realities of urban institutional
life

In 2003, the series' editorial group was expanded, drawing on the
long-standing collaboration between researchers at King's College London,the
University of Gent, and SUNY at Albany.
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Web site

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/sspp/education/research/groups/llg/wpull.html

SCROLL DOWN and you find...

PAPER 45:
'From endangered to dangerous: Two types of sociolinguistic inequality (with
examples from Ireland & the US)'
Robert E. Moore (National University of Ireland, Maynooth), 2007

And SCROLL DOWN further and you find that this paper can be downloaded as a
pdf file.

Robert Moore's paper is closely argued and wide ranging. He analyses the
debates about the Irish language, the 'overdetermined dualism of Irish vs
English...' One of his observations is that for the new immigrants in
Ireland living in a country with a number of languages is just a normal fact
of life.

Very well, and usefully, referenced.

P.O'S.

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Social Science & Medicine
Volume 65, Issue 2, July 2007, Pages 231-244

Explanations of depression among Irish migrants in Britain

Gerard Leaveya, b, , , Linda Rozmovitsa, , Louise Ryanb, and Michael Kingb,

aBarnet, Enfield & Haringey Mental Health NHS Trust, St. Ann's Hospital, St.
Ann's Road, London, UK
bDepartment of Mental Health Sciences, University College London, UK

Available online 19 April 2007.


Abstract

Irish geographical and cultural propinquity to the UK might be considered as
an advantage to migrants. However, research over 40 years shows Irish
migrants to have consistent high vulnerability to mental disorders. Only
recently have researchers begun to explore the reasons for this morbidity.
Taking a previous epidemiological study on depression and Irish migrants as
a point of departure, we explored the reasons for this morbidity-we
hypothesised that depression may be related to unprepared or spontaneous
migration. We report on a qualitative study in order to clarify how, from
the migrant's perspective, migration might be related to depression. These
perspectives were obtained through in-depth interviews with Irish-born
migrants aged 18 and over living in London in order to explore psychological
distress through a contextualised 'insiders' account. The interviews were
completed with men and women who experienced depression and others who had
not. We found that previous theories on Irish migrant psychiatric disorder
such as racial discrimination were not supported by the narratives of Irish
migrant experience. For many participants, the origins of distress are
located in Ireland or in difficult life events and circumstances without a
direct relationship to migration. This paper examines the causal attributes
to depression among Irish migrants in the UK in the context of pre- and
post-migration experiences with particular focus on gender and age.

Keywords: Ireland; Depression; Migrants; Migration; Alcohol; Causal
attributions; Mental health; UK


Article Outline
Introduction
Vulnerability and pre- and post-migration risk factors
Irish migrants and morbidity
Unplanned migration and depression
The present study

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A colleague has posed the following question to me, and I am wondering =
if folks on the list might have suggestions for me to add to my =
recommendations:
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"Do you know of any Irish literary works that represent how Ireland's =
farming has moved and/or is moving from traditional methods/conceptions =
to industrial methods/conceptions?"
=20
It seems that such "methods and conceptions" are inevitably influenced =
by the diaspora? =20
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Many thanks, in advance, for your time.
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Christine Cusick

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Hello Irish Diaspora members,
I have been asked for a photo/image of a 'No Irish, No Dogs' sign that woul=
d have been seen in Britain during the post-war period and which is not sub=
ject to copyright for the cover of a book soon to be published here in Fran=
ce.=20
I would need this by tomorrow! I would be very grateful to anyone that may =
be able to send one on to me by mail.
Many thanks,

Grainne O=E2=80=99Keeffe-Vigneron
University Rennes 2=20

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Christine, I imagine you already pointed your friend to Richard Rankin
Russell's article "Something is Being Eroded": The Agrarian Epistemology of
Brian Friel's Translations " in New Hibernia Review, 10,2 (Summer, 2006) ,
106-22 ?

Jim Rogers

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From: Cusick, Christine L. [mailto:Cusick[at]SETONHILL.EDU]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:58 PM
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] traditional farming methods in Ireland

A colleague has posed the following question to me, and I am wondering if
folks on the list might have suggestions for me to add to my
recommendations:

"Do you know of any Irish literary works that represent how Ireland's
farming has moved and/or is moving from traditional methods/conceptions to
industrial methods/conceptions?"

It seems that such "methods and conceptions" are inevitably influenced by
the diaspora?


Many thanks, in advance, for your time.

Christine Cusick

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SECOND CALL FOR PAPERS
XVII ULSTER-AMERICAN HERITAGE SYMPOSIUM
Centre for Migration Studies
Ulster-American Folk Park, Omagh, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland
25-28 JUNE 2008
Keynote Speaker: Professor David Cannadine
Please find details at:
http://www.qub.ac.uk/cms/events/UAHS_2008.htm

We invite proposals to be received by 31 October 2007.

Brian Lambkin (Dr)
Director
Centre for Migration Studies
Ulster-American Folk Park
Castletown, Omagh, Tyrone
Northern Ireland BT78 5QY
Tel:=A0 0044 28 82256315
Fax: 0044 28 82242241
www.qub.ac.uk/cms and www.folkpark.com

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IRISH GEOGRAPHY
VOL 40; NUMB 1; 2007
ISSN 0075-0778

pp. 1-16
Transportation accessibility issues and the location of a national facility:
the case of a new paediatric hospital to serve the Republic of Ireland.
Murphy, E.; Killen, J. E.

pp. 17-38
From individuals to networks: unfolding complex poverty in rural Ireland.
Shubin, S.

pp. 39-62
"Plus ca change......." change and stasis in the age structure of Irish
fertility, 1961-2002: a spatio-temporal analysis.
Wilson, M. G. A.

pp. 63-78
Strategic Environmental Assessment (SEA): a tool for environmental
decision-making.
Desmond, M.

pp. 79-98
The interface between the Gaelic clan system of Co. Clare and the emerging
centralising English nation-state in the late sixteenth and early
seventeenth century.
Nugent, P.

pp. 99-108
Using GIS to map the evolution of the Gaeltacht.
Bhradaigh, E. N.; McCarron, S.; Walsh, J.; Duffy, P.

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From: "Noreen Bowden"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"

Hi Grainne,

You might contact the Archive of the Irish in Britain at London Metropoli=
tan=20
University - they have such a picture (No Blacks, No Irish, No dogs) on=20
their website at=20
http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/irishstudiescentre/archive/policy.cfm

Regards,
Noreen

Noreen Bowden
Director
=C3=89an - The Emigrant Advice Network
a: 30 Carmichael House, North Brunswick Street, Dublin 7
t: +353 1 8779011
m: 087 211 1397
e: noreen[at]emigrantnetwork.ie
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Hello Irish Diaspora members,
I have been asked for a photo/image of a 'No Irish, No Dogs' sign that wo=
uld=20
have been seen in Britain during the post-war period and which is not=20
subject to copyright for the cover of a book soon to be published here in=
=20
France.
I would need this by tomorrow! I would be very grateful to anyone that ma=
y=20
be able to send one on to me by mail.
Many thanks,

Grainne O=E2=80=99Keeffe-Vigneron
University Rennes 2

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Grainne,

We have discussed these photographs, of the B & B signs, a number of times
over the years on the IR-D list.

Sometimes overlapping with the No Irish Need Apply (NINA) debates...

I have just looked again at our archives.

1.
I will say again that I have never seen one of these photographs that did
not look staged.

(The one that Noreen points towards is linked on the web site with the
Joanne O'Brien collection, but does not seem to be part of that collection.
It turns up on a number of web sites)

2.
Honest, reliable people whose word I trust tell me that they saw such signs
in London in the 1950s.

Paddy

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Subject: [IR-D] No Dogs

From: "Noreen Bowden"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"

Hi Grainne,

You might contact the Archive of the Irish in Britain at London Metropoli=
tan=20
University - they have such a picture (No Blacks, No Irish, No dogs) on=20
their website at=20
http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/irishstudiescentre/archive/policy.cfm

Regards,
Noreen

Noreen Bowden
Director
=C3=89an - The Emigrant Advice Network
a: 30 Carmichael House, North Brunswick Street, Dublin 7
t: +353 1 8779011
m: 087 211 1397
e: noreen[at]emigrantnetwork.ie
w: http://www.ean.ie


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From: "Grainne OKEEFFE"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: [IR-D] Urgent Request


Hello Irish Diaspora members,
I have been asked for a photo/image of a 'No Irish, No Dogs' sign that wo=
uld=20
have been seen in Britain during the post-war period and which is not=20
subject to copyright for the cover of a book soon to be published here in=
=20
France.
I would need this by tomorrow! I would be very grateful to anyone that ma=
y=20
be able to send one on to me by mail.
Many thanks,

Grainne O=E2=80=99Keeffe-Vigneron
University Rennes 2

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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: The Tuesday Night Club On Tour in Ireland
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Email Patrick O'Sullivan patrickos[at]irishdiaspora.net

In an odd mix of narrowboat interests and Irish interests...

The Tuesday Night Club is, well, it is very English...

It boldly goes...

A feature of the TNC's exploits is that it ventures beyond the head of
navigation - techniques include inviting a rugby team on board to go under
low bridges.

This year the TNC went to Ireland.

I thought that the Ir-D list might like to visit the TNC web sit and see an
unusual view of the Irish landscape, seascape and canalscape...

Paddy

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Subject: TNC On Tour Ireland (XP)

While England flooded, TNC was busy...
The whole lot of the connected Irish waterways are now up on the TNC
website.
Includes Shannon - Erne Waterway, all of Shannon down to Limerick, including

Ardnacrusha Dam Lock, Abbey River in Limerick, all Lough Derg ports, all
Lough Ree ports, Lough Allen Canal and Lough Allen, River Boyle and Lough
Key to Boyle, Carnadoe backwaters, a couple of "un-navigable rivers".
Richmond Harbour and a photo walk over the last bit of Royal Canal
restoration at the Shannon end. All Upper and Lower Lough Erne ports and
jetties. All Grand Canal, including down to Dublin, Naas Branch, Edenderry
Arm and Milltown Feeder. Barrow Line of the Grand and River Barrow down to
St Mullins, Tidal River Barrow to Cheek Point, Tidal River Suir, past
Waterford and up to Carrick - On - Suir, Tidal River Nore up to Inistioge.
Another new feature (seeing as a lot of people over here will not know these

waterways) are links to the main online waterway maps on the IWAI website
and some other maps for the tidal bits and the Killaloe - Limerick Waterway
(Ardnacrusha).

http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html

I hope you have a lot of time on your hands, because there are over 3000
images if you want to see then full size!

--
Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest - Shannon Reg 7410
Read about our Irish travels at:
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html

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Subject: Edwardian film in Ireland, Mitchell and Kenyon
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From: "Tony Morgan"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
Subject: Edwardian film in Ireland

The British Film Institute recently issued a 75 minute DVD of previously
unseen footage taken in Ireland in 1901 and 1902. The British documentary
film makers Sagar Mitchell and James Kenyon filmed everyday lives of people
in parts of the British Isles. For 70 years their footage lay undiscovered
in Blackburn before being found and restored. 'The Mitchell & Kenyon
Collection contains some 26 films made in Ireland between May 1901 and
December 1902 in association with three travelling film exhibitors - the
North American Animated Photo Company, the Thomas Edison Animated Photo
Company and the fairground showman George Green. Presented as 'Local Films
for Local people', the films include street scenes of Dublin, Wexford and
Belfast, local dignitaries attending the Cork International Exhibition,
scenic routes from Cork to Blarney Castle and much more. With music by Neil
Brand and Gunter Buchwald, an essay by Dr Vanessa Toulmin and a commentary
read by Fiona Shaw, this new BFI DVD offers Mitchell and Kenyon's unique and

vivid record of Irreland at the start of the twentieth century.'

The DVD is fascinating, and is available from www.bfi.org.uk


Tony Morgan

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I thought I might pass this on (from VICTORIA). Following the link I found
much material that seem to fall with in the interests of IR-D members.

David R.

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From: Ruth Croft
Date: 24 Sep 2007 16:52
Subject: Excellent reference books on CD, please read.
To: VICTORIA[at]listserv.indiana.edu

With permission: may I direct you to
http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/

Many titles of interest to Vic list, half price as company closing on 30th
September.
Do look, but be quick!

Regards,

Ruth in Brum. (Birmingham, England.)


--
D C Rose M.A.(Oxon.), Dip.Arts Admin (NUI-Dublin)
Editor THE OSCHOLARS
www.oscholars.com

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For what its worth, I frequently saw 'No Irish' (just that - Blacks and Dogs didn't feature) riders on handwritten accommodation notices in corner shops around Cricklewood, Kilburn, and West Hampstead throughout the decade 1961-1971.

I don't recall whether, in any of the previous discussions referred to by Paddy which I may have followed, any attempt was made to determine why exactly landlords/ladies thought it necessary to add such riders. Has anyone ever thought to ask them?

For a reference to my take on this vis a vis Irish construction workers in particular see p. 189,'Damping Down the Bed', in The Men who built Britain.

Ultan Cowley











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From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
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Subject: Re: No Dogs
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Richard Jensen has raised doubts about "No Irish Need Apply" signs or
codicils to advertisements in the U.S. The signs are a staple of popular
memory among Irish Americans, although the vast majority -- if not all -- of
those who could remember them must be dead by this time. RJ goes so far as
to question whether of not the phrase "No Irish Need Apply" or the acronym
"NINA" ever was common, because he has had a hard time finding them through
the search tools for online newspapers. RJ points to a popular song by an
Irish-American in which he gives a beating to a man who told him "No Irish
Need Apply." He suggests that the memory may document Irish resistance to
the discrimination they felt directed against themselves rather than the
actual widespread distribution of such signs.

Ages ago, when I was doing research for my MA, I encountered newspapers ads
-- usually for positions as domestics -- that simply said "No Irish." My
research was on corruption in state construction projects in New York in the
1870s, and I paid attention to the ads simply because of my background.
Therefore, my memory might be playing tricks on me, but I'd say there is
evidence that public expressions akin to "No Irish Need Apply" signs
existed.

The London Metropolitan University exhibit shows a photo of a handwritten
"No Irish, etc." sign in a house window. It is convincing evidence that at
least one such sign existed, and I'd assume it implies others did as well.
The question becomes, how common were such signs? Were they ever so
prevalent that formally printed versions appeared? How many pictures of
such signs are extant? If few pictures exist, is that because the signs
were anomalies, or is it because the Irish were too embarrassed or
intimidated to document the discrimination?

Tom

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From: Joe Bradley
Sent: 25 September 2007 09:30
To: 'The Irish Diaspora Studies List'
Subject: RE: [IR-D] No Dogs

With this discussion in mind list members might be interested in viewing
this large banner (one of two) which was used by Glasgow Rangers fans to
demonstrate against the Irishness of Celtic supporters in a fixture
early this year

Joe


Moderator's Note

The banner says
THIS IS OUR CITY. WHERE IN IRELAND IS GLASGOW?

Joe Bradley attached to his message a photograph, a JPG file.
The IR-D list's software and rules do not permit the onward distribution of
such attachments, which, in any case, would be blocked by many institutions'
firewalls.

I have placed Joe's attachment on
www.irishdiaspora.net
in
Folder 24 The Irish-Diaspora list - UPDATES June 2004 onwards
Under Exhibits,
Where the JPG is available, top right.
This facility has long been available, though we have not used it much.

It allows IR-D members to share visual material and texts.

P.O'S.