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Apropos of this discussion, I recall the lyrics of Banana Republic (a
pop song by the Boomtown Rats) that Bob Geldof penned in the late 1970s
as his personal tirade against what he perceived to the complicity of
the police and priests of the contemporary Ireland he grew up in. the
chorus of which is:

Banana Republic
Septic Isle
Screaming in the Suffering sea
It sounds like crying (crying, crying)
Everywhere I go, oh yeah
Everywhere I see
The black and blue uniforms
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A later verse makes clear exactly where his invective is directed:

The purple and the pinstripe
Mutely shake their heads
A silence shrieking volumes
A violence worse than they condemn
Stab you in the back yeah
Laughing in your face
Glad to see the place again
It's a pity nothing's changed

In the context of the current discussion it is interesting to note how
much has changed in the last thirty years; very well described in
Foster's recent book, Luck and the Irish: A brief history of change,
1970-2000.

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Relationships were generally positive between priests, police and
magistrates in mid-nineteenth-century Cardiff and Swansea. The main area
of co-operation was in tackling drink, but extended to dealing with
prostitution, placing juvenile offenders, reforming prisoners, diffusing
fears of Fenianism and even interfering in violent marriages. There were
exceptions, for example when issues of temperance, nationalism and
language became entangled, but the overall picture was one of a
significant level of aspiration within the Irish community towards law,
order and perceived respectability. This was facilitated by priests,
police, magistrates and leading local Catholics (not necessarily Irish)
and is alluded to in my chapter for Roger Swift's forthcoming book on
Irish identities.

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Carmel,

Swift was 'advocating' cannibalism as regards new-born children, which is rather
different from infanticide! I and a colleague here, Dr Dianne Hall, are working on
infanticide in Ireland, but our research is on the period before 1900.

The main publication on Irish infanticide I'm aware of relates to the 18th century
and is James Kelly's article on infanticide in 'Irish Economic and Social History',
Volume XIX, 1992. But there are works on 19th-century crime that discuss it, like
Carolyn Conley's 'Melancholy Accidents' (1999). And Ian O'Donnell has recently
argued that the high homicide rates in mid and late 19th-century Ireland actually
reflect very high rates of infanticide: see 'Lethal Violence in Ireland, 1841-2003'
in 'British Journal of Criminology', 45 (2005). His figures suggest that in the mid
19th century nearly half of all Irish homicides were in fact infanticides.

Seems to me that this topic connects with the current discussion on the list about
the influence of the Catholic clergy - for good or ill!

Elizabeth
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I suggest beginning with Claude Rawson, God, Gulliver and Genocide: Barbari=
sm and the European Imagination, 1492-1945 (OUP, NY, 2001) and Josephine Mc=
Donagh, Child Murder and British Culture 1720-1900 (CUP, 2003). My interest=
in this subject begins with A Modest Proposal ...
Bryan Coleborne
Aichi Shukutoku University
Japan
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:30:43 -0500> From: cmcc[at]QIS.NET> Subject: Re: [=
IR-D] NACBS panel on infanticide> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > Why not put he=
r in touch with Jonathan Swift - I believe it was Swift > who began this tr=
end.> > Carmel> > > Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:> > Forwarded on behalf of > >=
Moira Maguire> > Asst. Professor> > Department of History> > University of=
Arkansas Little Rock> > 2801 S. University Avenue> > Little Rock, AR 72204=
> > 501-569-8399> > mjmaguire[at]ualr.edu> >> >> > From: Moira Maguire > > Subject: CFP: NACBS panel on infanticide> >> >> > De=
ar Colleagues,> >> > I'd like to put together a panel for NACBS on infantic=
ide and would be> > interested in hearing from others who might join the pa=
nel. My research is> > in infanticide in 20th century Ireland; specifically=
I look at the way> > infanticide was used by some as a "logical" birth con=
trol strategy, and I> > also argue that the Catholic Church's position on i=
nfanticide, when> > juxtaposed with its vehement anti-abortion stance, seri=
ously undermines its> > "sanctity of life" stance. I'd be interested, there=
fore, in papers that look> > at infanticide from a social, religious, or po=
litical perspective. Please> > get in touch with me at mjmaguire[at]ualr.edu i=
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The British government in 1860 recommended that infanticide cases be
treated leniently. The Offences against the Person Act, 1861
introduced "concealment of a birth" as an alternative to murder in
such cases, and thereafter execution for this crime no longer
occurred (Great Britain 1861, sec. 60). The British Infanticide Act,
1922, first introduced the issue of women's minds being "unbalanced"
when they killed "newly born" children (Britain 1922). The 1938
British legislation introduced new language making allowance for the
"effect of lactation consequent upon birth of the child." Ireland's
Infanticide Act was introduced in 1949, and mirrors somewhat the
British acts. While a number of factors contributed to the decision
to legislate for this crime, the Department of Justice was responding
to the judiciary's wishes in order to avoid women being found guilty
of murder thereby contributing to a log jam of capital cases where
women were given the death sentence only to have it commuted to life
in prison.

Best wishes,

Jim

On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Patrick Maume wrote:

> From: Patrick Maume
> The crime of infanticide is a nineteeenth-century British
> development. It
> never developed as a separate offence in the USA, where killing a
> newborn is
> regarded as murder plain and simple.
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Elizabeth Malcolm
> wrote:
>
>> Carmel,
>>
>> Yes, I did realise that your reference to Swift was humorous!
>> However,
>> there is an
>> important legal point here. An infant, in English Common Law, was
>> a child
>> under 12
>> months of age, so legally the crime of infanticide could only
>> occur if the
>> child
>> killed was less than a year old - otherwise it was murder. And,
>> indeed,
>> some of the
>> 19th- and 20th-century Infanticide Acts specified that the mother
>> was the
>> person
>> responsible for the infant's death.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what the legal position was when Swift produced
>> his
>> 'Modest
>> Proposal' during the famine of 1729, but certainly later, if the
>> child was
>> more than
>> 12 months old or was killed by a man, it would not have been
>> classed, in
>> law, as
>> infanticide.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Professor Elizabeth Malcolm
>>
>> Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
>> School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria,
>> 3010,
>> AUSTRALIA
>> Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
>>
>> President
>> Irish Studies Association of Australia and New Zealand (ISAANZ)
>> Website: http://isaanz.org
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>>

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From: Patrick Maume
The crime of infanticide is a nineteeenth-century British development. It
never developed as a separate offence in the USA, where killing a newborn is
regarded as murder plain and simple.

On Jan 16, 2008 9:15 PM, Elizabeth Malcolm wrote:

> Carmel,
>
> Yes, I did realise that your reference to Swift was humorous! However,
> there is an
> important legal point here. An infant, in English Common Law, was a child
> under 12
> months of age, so legally the crime of infanticide could only occur if the
> child
> killed was less than a year old - otherwise it was murder. And, indeed,
> some of the
> 19th- and 20th-century Infanticide Acts specified that the mother was the
> person
> responsible for the infant's death.
>
> I'm not quite sure what the legal position was when Swift produced his
> 'Modest
> Proposal' during the famine of 1729, but certainly later, if the child was
> more than
> 12 months old or was killed by a man, it would not have been classed, in
> law, as
> infanticide.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> __________________________________________________
> Professor Elizabeth Malcolm
>
> Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
> School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria, 3010,
> AUSTRALIA
> Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au
>
> President
> Irish Studies Association of Australia and New Zealand (ISAANZ)
> Website: http://isaanz.org
> __________________________________________________
>

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From: frank32[at]tiscali.co.uk [mailto:frank32[at]tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 16 January 2008 23:47
To: P.OSullivan[at]Bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Police and Priests


I would like to thank all those fellow Irish scholars who
provided such useful references. I am writing up some research on the
reactions of the indigenous population of Bolton to the arrival of the
famine Irish over the period 1847-50.The police figure prominently in
the response of the authorities.

Thanks
Frank Neal

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IRISH REVIEW -CORK-
NUMB 36/37; 2007
ISSN 0790-7850

pp. 1-13
A Postcolonial Fiction: Conor Cruise O'Brien's Camus.
Foley, J.

pp. 14-32
Orwell's Ireland.
Kirrane, K.

pp. 33-48
`The Independent Expression of Public Opinion': The Paris Correspondence of
Francis Sylvester Mahony.
Dunne, F.

pp. 49-66
Ireland in England: Painting History?.
Cullen, F.

pp. 67-77
Spectral Ethnicity: Writing Race in Victorian Ireland.
Carville, C.

pp. 78-94
Mobility, Marginality and Modernity in the New Age Traveller Imaginary.
Kuhling, C.

pp. 95-110
The European Project: Neither Neo-liberal, Nor Socialist - A Reply to Andy
Storey.
Pech, L.

pp. 111-119
Innovation and Rural Knowledge Communities: Learning from the Irish Revival.
Bradley, F.

pp. 120-128
The `sacred weather' of County Leitrim: John McGahern's Memoir.
Sampson, B.

pp. 129-133
Public Intellectuals: John A., Conor and the Lads in the Back.
Akenson, D.H.

pp. 134-139
Short Stories and Tall Tales: Oral Narratives and Their Place in the World.
Carson, L.

pp. 140-145
Writing Literary History: Raising Interesting Questions.
Leerssen, J.

pp. 146-147
William Smyth, Map-making, Landscapes and Memory: a Geography of Colonial
and Early Modern Ireland c.1530-1750.
Nolan, W.

pp. 148-149
Tony Crowley, War of Words: the Politics of Language in Ireland, 1537-2004.
Craith, M.N.

pp. 150-151
Kevin Rockett, Irish Film Censorship: a Cultural Journey from Silent Cinema
to Internet Pornography; Mary Corcoran and Mark O'Brien (eds), Political
Censorship and the Democratic State: the Irish Broadcasting Ban.
Drisceoil, D.O.

p. 152
Claudia Kinmonth, Irish Rural Interiors in Art.
O Connor, E.

pp. 153-154
Lucy McDiarmid, The Irish Art of Controversy.
Walshe, E.

pp. 155-157
Alan Gillis, Irish Poetry of the 1930s.
Whittredge, J.

pp. 158-159
Eibhear Walshe, Kate O'Brien: a Writing Life.
Crowe, C.

pp. 160-162
John Borgonovo (ed.), Florence and Josephine O'Donoghue's War of
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Informers and the `Anti-Sinn Fein Society': the Intelligence War in Cork
City, 1920-1921.
Coleman, M.

pp. 163-164
Padraig Standun, Eaglais na gCatacomai.
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Mairin Nic Eoin, Tren bhFearann Breac: an Dilaithriu Cultuir agus
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Carmel,

Yes, I did realise that your reference to Swift was humorous! However, there is an
important legal point here. An infant, in English Common Law, was a child under 12
months of age, so legally the crime of infanticide could only occur if the child
killed was less than a year old - otherwise it was murder. And, indeed, some of the
19th- and 20th-century Infanticide Acts specified that the mother was the person
responsible for the infant's death.

I'm not quite sure what the legal position was when Swift produced his 'Modest
Proposal' during the famine of 1729, but certainly later, if the child was more than
12 months old or was killed by a man, it would not have been classed, in law, as
infanticide.

Elizabeth

__________________________________________________
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Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria, 3010, AUSTRALIA
Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au

President
Irish Studies Association of Australia and New Zealand (ISAANZ)
Website: http://isaanz.org
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As I recall, Kevin Kenny's MAKING SENSE OF THE MOLLY MAGUIRES
presents evidence and/or allegations of local priests denouncing from
the altars, excommunicating (or threatening to do so), and informing
to the authorities on the Mollies.




>I don't know if anyone has mentioned a strong reference to priests and
>ordinary people in J.B. Keane's 'The Field' certainly in the film
>version: it takes the form I think of an accusation of priests 'closing
>the gates' against starving people probably during famine times: whether
>poetic licnce on Keane's part or not, others may know:
>
>Liam Clarke
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On
>Behalf Of Ruth-Ann M. Harris
>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:42 PM
>To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>Subject: Re: [IR-D] Priest and police
>
>Further examples may be found in the archives of All Hallowes College,
>Dublin, which was the missionary training school for Irish priests in
>Britain. I recall from my research in those archives that young priests
>were constantly being cautioned against encouraging political activity
>among the migrant Irish. The reason stated was that migrants were there
>to make a living, not to influence politics.
> Ruth-Ann Harris
> Boston College
>
>
>
>Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
>> Email Patrick O'Sullivan patrickos[at]irishdiaspora.net
>>
>> I was talking to Frank Neal a few days ago. He mentioned a case he
>> had come across in the mid C19th England where the police had thanked
>> the local Catholic priest for help and co-operation.
>>
>> Frank asked if this sort of co-operation and liaison had been much
>studied.
>>
>> I immediately thought of the work of Don MacRaild - whose article,
>> 'Abandon Hibernicisation', gives some discussion and references for
>> the Catholic priest as 'politico-religious policeman...'
>>
>> MacRaild, Donald M. 2003. 'Abandon Hibernicisation': priests,
>> Ribbonmen and an Irish street fight in the north-east of England in
>> 1858. Historical Research 76 (194):557 - 573.
>>
>> Frank Neal asks if anyone think of further examples?
>>
>> P.O'S.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned a strong reference to priests and
ordinary people in J.B. Keane's 'The Field' certainly in the film
version: it takes the form I think of an accusation of priests 'closing
the gates' against starving people probably during famine times: whether
poetic licnce on Keane's part or not, others may know:=20

Liam Clarke =20


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Behalf Of Ruth-Ann M. Harris
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Further examples may be found in the archives of All Hallowes College,
Dublin, which was the missionary training school for Irish priests in
Britain. I recall from my research in those archives that young priests
were constantly being cautioned against encouraging political activity
among the migrant Irish. The reason stated was that migrants were there
to make a living, not to influence politics.
Ruth-Ann Harris
Boston College



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> I was talking to Frank Neal a few days ago. He mentioned a case he=20
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> the local Catholic priest for help and co-operation.
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> the Catholic priest as 'politico-religious policeman...'
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> Ribbonmen and an Irish street fight in the north-east of England in=20
> 1858. Historical Research 76 (194):557 - 573.
>
> Frank Neal asks if anyone think of further examples?
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> P.O'S.
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New DVD commemorates writer M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain

R=C3=AD an Fhocail and M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain sa gCnoc=C3=A1n =
Glas are two programmes now available on DVD which celebrate the life =
and work of the writer M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain, published by =
Cl=C3=B3 Iar-Chonnachta in conjunction with RT=C3=89.

In 2006 RT=C3=89 commissioned the programme R=C3=AD an Fhocail to =
commemorate the centenary of the birth of M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 =
Cadhain, one of the greatest Irish writers of modern times. The =
programme, produced by Se=C3=A1n =C3=93 Cual=C3=A1in and Mac Dara =C3=93 =
Curraidh=C3=ADn, explores =C3=93 Cadhain=E2=80=99s writing and places it =
in the context of his own life and times. It includes interviews with =
writers Miche=C3=A1l =C3=93 Conghaile, Joe Steve =C3=93 Neachtain and =
Louis de Paor, and also features dramatic interpretations of extracts =
from his work as well as archive footage. R=C3=AD an Fhocail was first =
broadcast in September 2006 and received the award for best Irish =
language television programme at the Irish Film and Television Awards =
2007 and best arts programme at the Celtic Film Festival 2006. =20

M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain sa gCnoc=C3=A1n Glas presents a more =
personal portrait of =C3=93 Cadhain. The programme, first broadcast in =
1967 and now remastered by RT=C3=89 Libraries and Archives, was recorded =
west of Spiddal in An Cnoc=C3=A1n Glas where he grew up. =C3=93 Cadhain =
is the guide and introduces the viewer to the places of his youth, the =
people of his home, their lifestyle and their language; the many =
influences which helped to shape his life and work. He states several =
times in the programme that his stories are those of these people and =
their lives, and explains the strength of their influence on his work. =
He says that when he sat down to write, the people of Cois Fharraige, =
the Irish-speaking area west of Galway city, were always in his mind, =
coming between him and the paper, imposing themselves on the paper =
whether he liked it or not because he was part of that group of people =
and they were part of him. =20

Both films are in Irish with English subtitles and the DVD costs =
=E2=82=AC25. It is available in shops throughout the country and from =
www.cic.ie.=20

M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain
M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain was born in 1906 in An Cnoc=C3=A1n =
Glas, near Spiddal, Co. Galway. He is considered by many to have been =
the greatest writer in modern Irish. In his public life he was involved =
in most of the political campaigns and controversies which have shaped =
Irish life over the past few generations. His compelling personality =
ensured that he could not be ignored and his writing ability in every =
genre demanded both attention and recognition. His seminal work, =
Cr=C3=A9 na Cille, published in 1949, is probably the most renowned book =
in modern Irish writing. He was a prolific short-story writer and his =
collections include Cois Caol=C3=A1ire, An Braon Broghach, Idir =
Sh=C3=BAgradh agus D=C3=A1ir=C3=ADre, An tSraith Dh=C3=A1 =
T=C3=B3g=C3=A1il, An tSraith T=C3=B3gtha and An tSraith ar L=C3=A1r. He =
died in 1970.=20



R=C3=AD an Fhocail, M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain

R=C3=AD an Fhocail agus M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain sa gCnoc=C3=A1n =
Glas is teideal do dh=C3=A1 chl=C3=A1r at=C3=A1 eisithe anois ar DVD a =
cheili=C3=BArann saol agus saothar Mh=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn U=C3=AD Chadhain, =
foilsithe ag Cl=C3=B3 Iar-Chonnachta i gcomhar le RT=C3=89.

I 2006 com=C3=B3radh c=C3=A9ad bliain =C3=B3 rugadh M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =
=C3=93 Cadhain, duine de mh=C3=B3rscr=C3=ADbhneoir=C3=AD na =
h=C3=89ireann, agus mar chuid den chom=C3=B3radh sin rinne RT=C3=89 =
coimisi=C3=BAn=C3=BA ar chl=C3=A1r speisialta faoin scr=C3=ADbhneoir, =
dar teideal R=C3=AD an Fhocail. Is iad Se=C3=A1n =C3=93 Cual=C3=A1in =
agus Mac Dara =C3=93 Curraidh=C3=ADn a l=C3=A9irigh an cl=C3=A1r seo a =
dh=C3=A9anann pl=C3=A9 ar scr=C3=ADbhneoireacht U=C3=AD Chadhain agus a =
fh=C3=A9achann lena shu=C3=AD ina shaol f=C3=A9in agus i saol a linne. =
T=C3=A1 agallaimh ann leis na scr=C3=ADbhneoir=C3=AD Miche=C3=A1l =C3=93 =
Conghaile, Joe Steve =C3=93 Neachtain agus Louis de Paor, chomh maith le =
miondr=C3=A1ma=C3=AD bunaithe ar shaothar an Chadhnaigh, agus =C3=A1bhar =
cartlainne. Craoladh R=C3=AD an Fhocail den ch=C3=A9ad uair i =
bhf=C3=B3mhar 2006 agus bhuaigh s=C3=A9 duais don chl=C3=A1r Gaeilge is =
fearr ag na Irish Film and Television Awards 2007 agus don chl=C3=A1r =
eala=C3=ADon is fearr ag an Celtic Film Festival 2006.=20

Is cl=C3=A1r cartlainne de chuid RT=C3=89 =C3=A9 M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =
=C3=93 Cadhain sa gCnoc=C3=A1n Glas a craoladh de ch=C3=A9aduair i 1967 =
agus a bhfuil athmh=C3=A1istri=C3=BA d=C3=A9anta ag Leabharlann agus =
Cartlann RT=C3=89 anois air. Is sa gCnoc=C3=A1n Glas taobh thiar den =
Spid=C3=A9al a taifeadadh an cl=C3=A1r, =C3=A1it ar rugadh agus ar =
t=C3=B3gadh =C3=93 Cadhain, agus is =C3=A9 =C3=93 Cadhain f=C3=A9in an =
treora=C3=AD don chl=C3=A1r. Cuireann s=C3=A9 in aithne don lucht =
f=C3=A9achana a cheantar d=C3=BAchais, muintir an cheantair, an saol a =
bh=C3=AD acu, agus an teanga a labhair siad =E2=80=93 na ruda=C3=AD a =
mh=C3=BAnlaigh mar dhuine agus mar scr=C3=ADbhneoir =C3=A9. Faightear =
l=C3=A9argas an-sp=C3=A9isi=C3=BAil sa chl=C3=A1r ar =C3=93 Cadhain agus =
ar a shaol, agus cuireann s=C3=A9 ina lu=C3=AD ar an lucht f=C3=A9achana =
an oiread tionchair a bh=C3=AD ag muintir Chois Fharraige ar a chuid =
scr=C3=ADbhneoireachta. Deir s=C3=A9:
=E2=80=9CN=C3=ADor leag m=C3=A9 peann ar an bp=C3=A1ip=C3=A9ar ariamh =
nach raibh siad i m=E2=80=99intinn ... nach raibh siad ag dul idir =
m=C3=A9 agus an p=C3=A1ip=C3=A9ar, ag dul ar an bp=C3=A1ip=C3=A9ar, =
togra=C3=ADm =C3=A9 n=C3=B3 n=C3=A1 togra=C3=ADm. Mar sin a bh=C3=AD =
agus a bheas, mar sin is dual mar is iad mo mhuintir =E2=80=93 mo =
mhuintir-f=C3=A9in iad.=E2=80=9D =20

Is i nGaeilge at=C3=A1 an d=C3=A1 chl=C3=A1r agus fotheidil Bh=C3=A9arla =
orthu. T=C3=A1 an DVD le ceannach i siopa=C3=AD ar fud na t=C3=ADre ar =
=E2=82=AC25 agus =C3=B3 www.cic.ie.=20

M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain
Rugadh M=C3=A1irt=C3=ADn =C3=93 Cadhain ar an gCnoc=C3=A1n Glas taobh =
thiar den Spid=C3=A9al i 1906. Bh=C3=AD s=C3=A9 gn=C3=ADomhach i mbun =
ag=C3=B3ide i gcuid mhaith d=E2=80=99fheachtais chinni=C3=BAnacha =
pholaiti=C3=BAla na t=C3=ADre seo, go h=C3=A1irithe iad si=C3=BAd a =
bhain le cearta sibhialta mhuintir na Gaeltachta. =C3=81ir=C3=ADtear a =
=C3=BArsc=C3=A9al Cr=C3=A9 na Cille ar an saothar cruthaitheach is =
t=C3=A1bhachta=C3=AD i litr=C3=ADocht na Nua-Ghaeilge. Ba =
ghearrsc=C3=A9ala=C3=AD bisi=C3=BAil a bh=C3=AD ann, leis, agus is iad =
na cnuasaigh leis a cuireadh i gcl=C3=B3, Cois Caol=C3=A1ire, An Braon =
Broghach, Idir Sh=C3=BAgradh agus D=C3=A1ir=C3=ADre, An tSraith Dh=C3=A1 =
T=C3=B3g=C3=A1il, An tSraith T=C3=B3gtha agus An tSraith ar L=C3=A1r. =
Cailleadh =C3=A9 i 1970. =20

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From: Edward Hagan
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:03:49 -0500

As I read this discussion, I wonder whether George Bernard Shaw got it all
wrong in his preface to "John Bull's Other Island." He argued that the
British hadn't figured out how to use the Church to rule Ireland. It has
been a while, but I think he argues that the Catholic Church is a
conservative force in most countries, but the British had managed to make
it a revolutionary force in Ireland. Do I have him right? And, if so,
was he deluded?

Ed Hagan


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I don't know if anyone has mentioned a strong reference to priests and
ordinary people in J.B. Keane's 'The Field' certainly in the film
version: it takes the form I think of an accusation of priests 'closing
the gates' against starving people probably during famine times: whether
poetic licnce on Keane's part or not, others may know:

Liam Clarke

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In my research on Irish miners in Leadville, Colorado, I have come across
oral tradition involving Catholic priests denouncing miners' strikes from
the pulpit. One story involves an Irish miner in confession being told that
he will be excommunicated if he joins the striking union. He punches the
priest and leaves the church, never to return. The family never returned to
the church and today tell the story with great pride.
A couple of newspaper articles mention the priest cautioning the men not to
strike.

Jim Walsh

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> As I recall, Kevin Kenny's MAKING SENSE OF THE MOLLY MAGUIRES
> presents evidence and/or allegations of local priests denouncing from
> the altars, excommunicating (or threatening to do so), and informing
> to the authorities on the Mollies.
>
>
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Subject: RE: [IR-D] Priest and police
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:12:17 -0000
From: "Anthony Mcnicholas"

Like Ruth-Ann, I have also worked at All Hallows, Drumcondra. Complaints
to the college about Irish priests' involvement in politics are very
frequent. Below a few examples:

From Andrew Scott, Vicar Apostolic Western District in Scotland, April
1843. About young priests "They are too great politicians for their
country to be able to do much good as Clergymen." They would be removed
if their conduct did not improve.
August 1844. The Irish priests instead of doing what they could to
relieve the mission's debts "are constantly going about among the people
moving them to pay for repeal of the union, in place of contributing for
the support of religion...Few indeed among the labourers can afford to
pay for repeal and for the propagation of religion too, in this
Heretical country..."

From Salford in December 1857 Bishop William Turner to Rev Dr Woodlock
at Drumcondra on his refusal to accept a young priest Mr Tracey "for six
months or any period"
"I am sorry that Mr Tracey is so ultra-Irish but I hope that the advice
and caution you will deem it necessary to give him would have its due
effect."

From Shrewsbury in 1867. Bishop Browne to Rev Fortune in Drumcondra on a
Mr Brosnan. "During his stay at Birkenhead, he had frequently expressed
himself, both in the presbytery, and among the people, in the strongest
anti-English terms, and he spoke of the Fenians with praise and with
admiration-among the class of people who form the bulk of the catholics
in that town."
He said that it appeared to be common amongst the young men and it would
require serious attention in order to equip men for the English mission.

Anthony


Dr Anthony McNicholas
CAMRI
University of Westminster
Harrow Campus
Watford Road
Harrow
HA1 3TP
0118 948 6164 (BBC WAC)

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Volume 5 Issue 3 2007 of the journal Early Popular Visual Culture was a
special, edited on Justin Carville, on Popular visual culture in Ireland.

I have pasted in below the TOC - and I have grabbed and will send on as a
separate email Justin Carville's helpful Introduction, if only to show how
much we build on the throwaway remarks of that clever man, Luke Gibbons...

IR-D members will find especially interesting Justin Carville's exploration
of the Lawrence collection and Paula Gilligan's study of 2 expressionist
films of O'Flaherty stories.

But the whole collection is very timely, and Justin Carville and his
colleagues are to be congratulated.

P.O'S.


Early Popular Visual Culture, Volume 5 Issue 3 2007
ISSN: 1746-0654 (paper)

Subjects: History; Popular Culture; Visual Arts; Visual Culture;
Publisher: Routledge

INTRODUCTION
Popular visual culture in Ireland
229 - 230
Author: Justin Carville

RECONSTRUCTING 'NATURE' AS A PICTURESQUE THEME PARK
The colonial case of Ireland
231 - 245
Author: Eamonn Slater

THE MAGIC LANTERN IN PROVINCIAL IRELAND, 1896-1906
247 - 262
Author: Niamh McCole

MR LAWRENCE'S GREAT PHOTOGRAPHIC BAZAAR
Photography, history and the imperial streetscape
263 - 283
Author: Justin Carville

MODERNITY AND CONSUMPTION IN NINETEENTH-CENTURY IRELAND
The Araby Bazaar and 1890s popular visual culture
285 - 300
Author: Stephanie Rains

'A MONOTONOUS HELL'
Space, violence and the city in the 1930s films of Liam O'Flaherty
301 - 316
Author: Paula Gilligan

SUPERNATIONAL CATHOLICITY
Dublin and the 1932 Eucharistic Congress
317 - 333
Author: Gary A. Boyd

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INTRODUCTION
Popular visual culture in Ireland
Author: Justin Carville

Published in: journal Early Popular Visual Culture, Volume 5, Issue 3
November 2007, pages 229 - 230

Introduction

Writing in the Irish visual arts journal Circa, the literary and cultural
theorist Luke Gibbons remarked that 'the absence of a visual tradition in
Ireland, equal in stature to its powerful literary counterpart, has meant
that the dominant images of Ireland have, for the most part, emanated from
outside the country, or have been produced at home with an eye on the
foreign (or tourist) market'.1 Gibbons' statement, written in response to a
photo-journalistic survey of Ireland during the 1980s, demonstrates the
significance of Ireland's colonial legacy in its visual representation, its
subsequent influence on an emergent visual culture for the foreign gaze of
the tourist and, increasingly throughout the twentieth century, the Irish
Diaspora. Gibbons's statement on the absence of what he terms a 'visual
tradition', however, also reveals the extent to which popular forms of
visual culture largely have been overlooked within the broader field of
Irish Studies. This has largely been down to the academy's bias on those
forms of Irish art and cinema that sit comfortably with the literary model
of the Irish canon. With some notable exceptions, Irish cinema, for example,
has largely been examined from the perspective of a literary model of
national and cultural identity, while as one commentator has astutely
observed, Irish studies as a discipline has tended to favour visual art that
is perceived to be illustrative of postcolonial theory, probably its major
contribution to global literary and cultural studies.2

The articles in this special issue of Early Popular Visual Culture engage
with many of the questions raised by the current interest in visual culture
within the field of Irish studies, finding the questions at stake around
colonial and postcolonial identity, modernism and modernity played out not
in the canon of Irish art, but in the visual displays, mass spectacles,
popular tourist travelogues and commemorative ephemera of the late
nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Eammon Slater's article examines
the visualisation of the Irish landscape in Mr and Mrs Hall's early popular
tourist's travelogues. Identifying the integration of European aesthetics
into the colonial tourist gaze in its construction of the Irish landscape,
Slater argues that visual discourse was used to distinguish between the
geographical terrain of the peasant and landowner, resulting in the 'theme
parking' of the Wicklow landscape. Slater's identification of the tensions
between an indigenous oral culture and the visualising discourse of the
colonial tourist gaze in his conclusion is a theme explored by Niamh
McCole's examination of the reception of Magic Lantern slide show in rural
Ireland. Examining contemporary accounts of lantern shows in the rural Irish
press, McCole explores the possibility of 'culturally differentiated way of
seeing'. Identifying the oral narrative and performance of the lecturer as
being foregrounded in responses to lantern slide shows, she argues that
rather than the rural Irish audience being visually illiterate, the
political and cultural climate of time resulted in the foregrounding of the
oral experience.

The remaining articles all engage with the visual culture of Dublin. Justin
Carville's contribution discusses the establishment of William Lawrence's
photographic studio in 1865 and its subsequent demise as a result of the
1916 Easter Rising. Examining Lawrence's visualisation of the Dublin
streetscape in popular visual imagery, he argues that Lawrence's photographs
captured the emerging tensions between the city's imperial modernity and an
emerging nationalism. Taking Joyce's passage on the Araby Bazaar in
Dubliners as a departure point, Stephanie Rains' article on Dublin's charity
bazaars of the 1890s examines advertising and mass consumption in relation
to Irish modernity at the close of the nineteenth century. Contrary to the
belief that Dublin was an economic and cultural backwater, she argues that
the city had similar experiences of the mass consumerism of urban modernity
as other European cities.

Paula Gilligan's article explores intercultural connections between Irish
literary culture and French cinema through the filming of Liam O'Flaherty's
novels The Informer and Le Puritain. Examining the sceneography of the
films, she discusses the visualisation of 1920s Dublin in the context of
European Expressionism to explore the intercultural connections between
Irish literary culture and French cinema. The issue concludes with Gary
Boyd's contribution on religious spectacle and modernity in Dublin.
Examining the connections between religious mass spectacle and the politics
of the Irish Free State through the 1932 Eucharistic Congress, he examines
the events significant in visualising the modernity and religious devotion
of the emerging Irish State.

Notes

1. Gibbons, L. (1986) 'Alien eye: Photography and Ireland', Circa, vol. 12,
p. 10.

2. Wilson, M. (2005) 'Terms of art and tricks of trade: A critical look at
the art scene now', Third Text (special issue on Ireland), vol. 19, no. 5,
pp. 535-543.

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As the Saville Inquiry reaches its conclusions into the events of Sunday,
January 30, 1972, one thing is clear - it is unlikely that there will ever
again be such an inquiry.

Material is collecting on the Saville Inquiry's own web site.

http://www.bloody-sunday-inquiry.org/index.htm

And a web search will turn up much comment, spread over many years...

Some IR-D members might find useful a BBC Radio 4 two part drama, based on
Richard Norton Taylor's stage version for the Tricycle Theatre, London,
which was based in turn on the Saville Inquiry transcripts. The first part
of this drama is on Radio 4 tonight. It can be listened to via the Radio 4
web site - basic information pasted in below...

Making a recording from the BBC web site is a bit problematic - I would
suggest you consult a teenager...

P.O'S.

Bloody Sunday: Scenes from the Saville Inquiry

Adapted by Richard Norton Taylor from his script for The Tricycle Theatre
production.

The transcripts are edited but not re-written and the sequence of the
evidence has not been altered.

1/2. Dramatic reconstruction of the hearings about the events of Sunday,
January 30, 1972, focusing on the testimony of civilians who witnessed
Bloody Sunday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/