8441 | 11 February 2008 13:54 |
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:54:07 -0000
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Studies of Communities 2 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Studies of Communities 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mary H. Blewett [mailto:maryblewett[at]comcast.net] Sent: 11 February 2008 13:05 Subject: Studies of Communities Another nineteenth-century community study has been reissued in PB by the University of Illinois Press, Brian C. Mitchell, The Paddy Camps: The Irish of Lowell, 1821-1861, (2006) based on census records and exploring relationships with the Yankee community. Also recently review in the American Journal of Ethnic History. Mary Blewett | |
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8442 | 11 February 2008 17:12 |
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:12:53 -0000
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Ireland-Wales Research Network | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Ireland-Wales Research Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Muiris Mag Ualghairg" To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List" Subject: Fwd: Ireland-Wales Research Network This was sent on to me today and I think that it might be of interest to people on the list. Muiris ________________________________________________ Dear friends and colleagues, You may already be aware of the new Ireland-Wales Research Network, funded by the UK Arts and Humanities Research Council and launched on November 22nd by the Consul General of Ireland in Wales. The management group for the network consists of Claire Connolly (Cardiff University), Katie Gramich (Cardiff University) and Paul O'Leary (Aberystwyth University). The Ireland-Wales Research Network aims to arrive at a fuller understanding of the complex and overlapping histories of the islands of Britain and Ireland by developing and advancing research on the topic of Irish-Welsh cultural and political relationships. The main objectives are to launch high-quality comparative and interdisciplinary research on Ireland and Wales and to promote excellent single-discipline as well as cross-disciplinary scholarship (in particular within Literature, Language and History) that is fully alive and responsive to developments in related fields. We are in the process of establishing a mailing list, via which news and information about the network and allied seminars will be circulated. Should you for any reason not wish to be on the mailing list, just let us know and we'll remove your name immediately. The first of our 5 AHRC-funded symposia will be in 2008, on 16 and 17 May and 24 and 25 October in Cardiff University. More details to follow soon. http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/encap/walesireland/news.html The Network began as a series of Wales-Ireland research seminars held at Cardiff University, and these continue throughout 2008, starting tonight, Monday 11 February, at 5.15pm with a lecture from John Goodby (Swansea) on the following topic: "' So why in this moment of well-being should we want to see England again": Irish-Welsh thoughts on re-thinking the twentieth century poetic canon' Location details etc are to be found here: http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/encap/walesireland/location.html An archived list of previous seminars is also available on the same site. Previous events include a symposium on Modernism, Modernity and National Space held on November 22, 2007 - http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/encap/walesireland/archive.html - and a reading by Paul Muldoon, hosted by Cardiff University in December 2007 and sponsored by Academi, Cardiff Humanities Research Institute and Culture Ireland - http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/encap/walesireland/archive.html Please visit our website, at the address below, and do let us know if there are interested individuals whose names we might add to our list. http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/encap/walesireland/index.html best wishes Claire Connolly, Katie Gramich, Paul O'Leary | |
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8443 | 11 February 2008 19:10 |
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:10:58 -0000
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Tattie Hokers | |
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From: Don MacRaild Organization: University of Ulster Subject: Tattie Hokers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I recall correctly, tattie or tatie hoker refers mostly to those who till as late as the 1960s dug spuds in Scotland. So it would be well worth looking at Heather Holmes's work: 'Constructing identities of the Irish migratory potato workers in Scotland'. Folk Life, 43 (2005), 32-55. "As good as a holiday" : potato harvesting in the Lothians from 1870 to the present. East Linton: Tuckwell, 2002. Cheers, Don MacRaild University of Ulster | |
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8444 | 14 February 2008 12:01 |
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:01:41 -0000
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CAIS conference 2008: Irish Eyes - Visions and Revisions | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: CAIS conference 2008: Irish Eyes - Visions and Revisions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded on behalf of Jean Talman Celtic Studies St. Michael's College University of Toronto From: Jean Talman [mailto:jean.talman[at]utoronto.ca] Subject: CAIS conference 2008: Irish Eyes - Visions and Revisions Hello CAIS members and friends: Information on the 2008 Annual Conference of the Canadian Association for Irish Studies to be held at St. Michael's College, University of Toronto, May 28-31, 2008, is now available on the website at: http://www.irishstudies.ca/conferences/CAIS_2008.html We hope to see you all in May. Jean Talman Celtic Studies St. Michael's College University of Toronto | |
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8445 | 15 February 2008 10:52 |
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:52:53 -0000
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Article, Mathew Carey, the Douai Bible, | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Article, Mathew Carey, the Douai Bible, and Catholic Print Culture, 1789-1791 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Irish printers/publishers who went to North America, and to the new state of the USA, in the C18th used to have a hallowed place in Irish American Catholic historiography. Michael Carter's article continues that tradition, making use of that older work, but with a modern exploration of the archives... By the way, Michael Carter tells us that Mathew Carey always spelled his first name thus, with one T. P.O'S. Journal of the Early Republic Volume 27, Number 3, Fall 2007 Carter, Michael S. 'Under the Benign Sun of Toleration': Mathew Carey, the Douai Bible, and Catholic Print Culture, 1789-1791 Subject Headings: * Bible -- Versions, Catholic -- History -- 18th century. * Bible -- Publication and distribution -- United States -- History -- 18th century. * Carey, Mathew, 1760-1839. Abstract: Mathew Carey's Douai Bible of 1790 was the first Catholic and only the second English Bible published in the Americas. It was also part of the first group of Catholic devotional and instructional works printed in early America, all produced by Carey, and marks the emergence of a Catholic presence in late-eighteenth century American print culture. During the period, Enlightenment attitudes about toleration for religious minorities came into conflict with the Enlightenment's critique of Catholicism's perceived role in history and stereotypes about Catholics as hostile to Bible reading. The appearance of Carey's Bible and other Catholic publications coincided with creation of the first American diocese and appointment of its first bishop, John Carroll, in 1789. During this brief period after limited toleration was first granted to Catholics at the federal level, lay Catholics such as Carey co-opted Enlightenment critiques of European Catholic intolerance to argue for increased toleration of their own faith in the new republic. By positioning themselves as supporters of republicanism and religious plurality, and by contributing to and representing themselves in print and in civic organizations, Catholics announced their support for democratic values, literacy, and the tolerance they sought for their own faith. Keywords: Douai Bible, Early American Catholicism, John Carroll, Mathew Carey, Philadelphia, Print culture, Robert Aitken, Richard Challoner, Religious toleration, King James Bible, Bible in English, Craig and Lea | |
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8446 | 15 February 2008 11:12 |
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:12:17 -0000
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Conference, TCD, | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Conference, TCD, 'Migration Studies in Ireland - An Interdisciplinary Postgraduate Conference' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trinity Immigration Initiative Conferences 'Migration Studies in Ireland - An Interdisciplinary Postgraduate Conference' Date: March 26-28, 2008 Venue: Robert Emmet Theatre, Arts Building,Trinity College Dublin On the web site there is a Conference Programme - a number of papers are of Irish Diaspora Studies interest, alongside papers looking at immigration into Ireland. P.O'S. From the web site... http://www.tcd.ie/immigration/conferences.php During the past five years a growing number of postgraduate students have been developing inquiry into the area of migration studies across the Humanities and Social Sciences. This welcome development is occurring cross-institutionally, north and south, and traverses the fields of sociology, anthropology, cultural studies, linguistics, geography, education, social policy, lens-based practice, film and media studies, race, ethnicity and gender studies, among others. This timely and inaugural conference on Migration Studies in Ireland will occur annually and rotate location between the following convening partner institutions: University College Dublin (UCD); National University of Ireland, Maynooth (NUIM); University College, Cork (UCC); Dublin Institute of Technology (DIT); University of Limerick (UL); Dublin City University (DCU); Trinity College Dublin (TCD). This conference will provide a dynamic forum for debate, exchange, exhibition and screenings of doctoral work that thematically engages questions of migration, race, rights, public policy, inter/transculturalism and the use of audio and visual media in social research. | |
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8447 | 15 February 2008 12:35 |
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:35:39 -0000
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Article, | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Article, The Venerable Margaret Sinclair: An Examination of the Cause of Edinburgh's Twentieth-Century Factory Girl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feminist Theology, Vol. 16, No. 2, 169-183 (2008) C 2008 SAGE Publications The Venerable Margaret Sinclair: An Examination of the Cause of Edinburgh's Twentieth-Century Factory Girl Karly Kehoe kkehoe[at]uoguelph.ca Catholicism's precarious position in twentieth-century Scotland was in part a reflection of continued anti-Catholic and anti-Irish sentiments, but it was also the result of new political doctrines, growing worker movements and the introduction of complete female suffrage. These challenges were met, in part, by Margaret Sinclair, in religion Sister Mary Francis of the Five Wounds. The cause for her beatification and canonization was unofficially launched in 1926 and met with a groundswell of support, extending beyond Scotland to Europe and North America as the working-classes embraced her as one of their own. Not only was she declared `Angel of the Factory', thereby extending the Church's influence to the factory floor, but her image was grafted to that of the nation as `Scotland's Little Flower'. She was to symbolize feminine piety, the working-class struggle and the epitome of Scottish Catholicism. Key Words: Scotland . Margaret Sinclair . nun . gender . labour . working-class. | |
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8448 | 17 February 2008 21:56 |
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:56:53 +0000
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Reg Hall | |
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From: Sean Campbell Subject: Reg Hall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I wondered if anyone on the list had current contact details for Reg Hall, who wrote a PhD a few years ago on Irish music in London. Any information would be greatly appreciated. All best, Sean Campbell. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam | |
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8449 | 18 February 2008 19:52 |
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:52:33 -0000
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World wide webs: Diasporas and the international system | |
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From: Noreen Bowden Organization: Ean Subject: World wide webs: Diasporas and the international system MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should be of interest, from an Australian international policy think = tank --=20 World wide webs: Diasporas and the international system Dr Michael Fullilove=20 Summary On 18 February, the Lowy Institute launched Michael Fullilove's new Lowy = Institute Paper, World wide webs: Diasporas and the international = system. In this paper, Michael argues that diasporas (communities which = live outside, but retain their connections with, their homelands) are = getting larger, thicker and stronger - with important implications for = global economics, identity, politics and security. Michael compares = diasporas to 'world wide webs' emanating from states, with dense, = interlocking, often electronic strands spanning the globe and binding = different individuals, institutions and countries together. World wide = webs offers a fresh take on globalisation which raises difficult = questions for national governments, including the Australian government. You can download the whole paper from --=20 http://www.lowyinstitute.org/Publication.asp?pid=3D753 Dr Fullilove published an article in the Sydney Morning Herald called = "Expats - time to use them wisely" http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/expats--time-to-use-them-wisely/2008/0= 2/17/1203190646672.html Noreen Bowden Director =C9an - The Emigrant Advice Network a: 30 Carmichael House, North Brunswick Street, Dublin 7 t: +353 1 8779011 m: 087 211 1397 e: noreen[at]emigrantnetwork.ie w: http://www.ean.ie | |
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8450 | 20 February 2008 17:56 |
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:19 -0600
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St. Patrick's Day Controversy | |
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From: "William Mulligan Jr." Subject: St. Patrick's Day Controversy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be of interest to the list. COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- That famous saint named Patrick will have his green-drenched party this year, but it's unclear when the guests are supposed to arrive. Firefighters pass Saint Patrick's Cathedral during the Saint Patrick's = Day Parade in New York City in 2006. For the first time since 1940, St. Patrick's Day will fall during Holy Week, the sacred seven days = preceding Easter. Because of the overlap, liturgical rules dictate that no Mass in honor of the saint can be celebrated on Monday, March 17, according to = the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. But a few Roman Catholic leaders = are asking for even more moderation in their dioceses: They want parades and other festivities kept out of Holy Week as well. . . . .=20 For the rest, see:=20 http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/02/20/catholic.conflict.ap/index= .ht ml=20 Bill Mulligan William H. Mulligan, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of History Graduate Program Coordinator=20 Murray State University Murray KY 42071-3341 USA=20 Office: 1-270-809-6571 Fax: 1-270-809-6587=20 =20 =20 | |
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8451 | 20 February 2008 21:06 |
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:06:01 -0000
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Understanding and Engaging with Diasporas | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Understanding and Engaging with Diasporas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following item has been brought to our attention... P.O'S. Subject: Understanding and Engaging with Diasporas Dear=A0 Colleague=20 WP883=20 Understanding And Engaging With Diasporas Monday 3 - Thursday 6 December 2007 We have pleasure in attaching a link to the conference report for "=A0Understanding And Engaging With Diasporas" =A0We do hope that you = will find the report of interest.=A0 Please feel free to pass freely to = colleagues.=A0=20 http://www.wiltonpark.org.uk/documents/conferences/WP883/pdfs/WP883.pdf =20 Best regards=20 Barbara=20 Wilton Park organises over 60 conferences each year. If you would like = to receive news of events of potential interest to you, please subscribe to = our email news service. =20 | |
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8452 | 20 February 2008 21:08 |
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:08:02 -0000
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Book Noticed: Too Smart to Be Sentimental: Contemporary Irish | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Book Noticed: Too Smart to Be Sentimental: Contemporary Irish American Women Writers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following item has been brought to our attention... P.O'S. =A0 Too Smart to Be Sentimental: Contemporary Irish American Women = Writers=A0 edited by Kathleen McInerney and Sally Barr Ebest (Notre Dame). =A0 CONTRIBUTORS: Caledonia Kearns, Sally Barr Ebest, Patricia Keefe Durso, = John M. Menaghan, Kathleen McInerney, Beatrice Jacobson, Mary Ann Ryan, = Susana Araujo, Patricia Gott, Kathleen Ann Kremins, Susana Hoeness-Krupsaw, and = Amy Lee. SALLY BARR EBEST is professor of English at the University of = Missouri-St. Louis. She is the author and co-editor of a number of books, including Reconciling Catholicism and Feminism? Personal Reflections on Tradition = and Change (University of Notre Dame Press, 2003), and Writing From A to Z. KATHLEEN McINERNEY is associate professor of education at Chicago State University. Comments on book jacket: =A0 "This book gathers critical essays about Irish American writers from = Mary McCarthy to Erin McGraw.=A0 The essays that consider Mary Doyle Curran, = Tess Gallagher, Eileen Myles, Mary McGarry Morris, Jean McGarvey, and Erin = McGraw are valuable for their introduction to lesser-known writers or to = writers who have achieved success but who are not necessarily known as Irish American Writers." ----Maureen Murphy, Hofstra University. =A0 =93These personal, thoughtful, and authoritative essays make an original contribution. They are of significance for scholars in several related disciplines: contemporary American fiction, Irish American literature, sociology, ethnic studies, Irish studies, and women=92s studies.=94 = =97Thomas A. Kuhlman, Creighton University=20 Reviews =93This critical study of contemporary Irish American women writers, the = first of its kind, offers a literary history of Irish America in the 20th = century from a feminist perspective. . . . Scholarly and insightful essays.=94 =97Library Journal=20 =A0 Here's the link to the book on ND press's website: http://www3.undpress.nd.edu/exec/dispatch.php?s=3Dtitle,P01199=20 =A0 | |
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8453 | 21 February 2008 10:30 |
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:30:32 -0000
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Re: Reg Hall | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Re: Reg Hall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, This continues our discussion off-list, and confirms to the IR-D list that something has been done... I am in contact with Reg - I have had a word with him this morning, and have sent you his contact details. He is happy to meet your student. Reg is still very busy. Currently he is working on the Topic Records archives - which have the potential to be an extraordinary resource for the historian of British and Irish folk musics. And, of course, for people who enjoy the music. Reg is still playing - and can be found in The Auld Triangle, Plimsoll Road, Finsbury Park, London, most Sunday nights. Your student is right to be impressed by Reg Hall's thesis. Apart from the music interest it is one of the best ever studies of the Irish in London, and in Britain. The British Library keeps a bound copy on open shelves - because the thesis is consulted so often. Reg Hall has no real connection with academia. I have tried a number of times to make connections, but they have never really worked. Reg is a living human treasure, and must be handled correctly. Also of concern - and Reg and I have just been sharing blunt comment - is what we can call the 'Reg Hall Archive', an amazing collection of music, recordings, photographs. And of course the archive within Reg's head. What is going to happen to all this in the future? Paddy -- Patrick O'Sullivan Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick O'Sullivan Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050 Irish-Diaspora list Irish Diaspora Net http://www.irishdiaspora.net Irish Diaspora Research Unit Department of Social Sciences and Humanities University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Yorkshire England -----Original Message----- From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Sean Campbell Sent: 17 February 2008 21:57 To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [IR-D] Reg Hall Dear All, I wondered if anyone on the list had current contact details for Reg Hall, who wrote a PhD a few years ago on Irish music in London. Any information would be greatly appreciated. All best, Sean Campbell. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam | |
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8454 | 21 February 2008 14:33 |
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:33:16 -0000
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Ireland, Empire and Education--seeking interested scholars | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Ireland, Empire and Education--seeking interested scholars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded on behalf of Deana Heath Department of History Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland , Ireland, Empire and Education--seeking interested scholars From: Deana Heath I'm contacting you to seek information about scholars who are working on subjects that relate--however broadly--to the role of Irish institutions of higher education in shaping imperial and colonial processes. In light of my own interests I'm particularly keen to hear from scholars working on subjects pertaining to India and Ireland, but would also appreciate hearing about work relating to Ireland and other parts of Asia. I'm making this request because I'm launching a collaborative research project on this subject later this year, which will include a number of events (a syposium in October and a conference next year) and publications (including an edited volume). Interested colleagues please contact me directly. Cheers, Deana Heath Department of History Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland , | |
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8455 | 21 February 2008 19:54 |
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:54:32 -0000
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Reg Hall 2 | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Reg Hall 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: miriam nyhan To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List Subject: RE: [IR-D] Reg Hall Paddy, You may be interested to know that in the course of my research (on the 'County Associations' in London and New York), I undertook an informal oral interview with Reg -approximatley 2 hours in duration- on the subject of the Irish in London in the mid twentieth century. It only represents the tip of the iceberg, in terms of the information he has stored in that wonderful brain of his and there is scope for much more to be done with him. I will try to make my interview available once I have completed the research. Miriam | |
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8456 | 22 February 2008 08:06 |
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:06:47 -0800
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The trouble with the Apostrophe | |
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From: Matthew Jockers Subject: The trouble with the Apostrophe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) As manager of the ACIS web site and ACIS member database, I can attest to the particular difficulty of programming to handle Irish Surnames. . . an Associated Press article by Sean O (no apostrophe) Driscoll appears, among other places, in today's Wired magazine. Matt Here is a link http://tinyurl.com/2bwh63 And here is the text: Apostrophes in Names Stir Lot O' Trouble By SEAN ODRISCOLL Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) -- It can stop you from voting, destroy your dental appointments, make it difficult to rent a car or book a flight, even interfere with your college exams. More than 50 years into the Information Age, computers are still getting confused by the apostrophe. It's a problem familiar to O'Connors, D'Angelos, N'Dours and D'Artagnans across America. When Niall O'Dowd tried to book a flight to Atlanta earlier this year, the computer system refused to recognize his name. The editor of the Irish Voice newspaper could book the flight only by giving up his national identity. "I dropped the apostrophe and ran my name as `ODowd,'" he said. It's not just the bad luck o' the Irish. French, Italian and African names with apostrophes can befuddle computer systems, too. So can Arab names with hyphens, and Dutch surnames with "van" and a space in them. Michael Rais, director of software development at Permission Data, an online marketing company in New York, said the problem is sloppy programming. "It's standard shortsightedness," he said. "Most programs set a rule for first name and last name. They don't think of foreign-sounding names." The trouble can happen in two ways, according to Rais. One: Online forms typically have a filter that looks for unfamiliar terms that might be put in by mistake or as a joke. A bad computer system will not be able to handle an apostrophe, a hyphen or a gap in a last name and will block it immediately. Two: Even if the computer system is sophisticated enough to welcome an O'Brien or Al-Kurd, the name must be stored in the database, where a hyphen or apostrophe is often mistaken for a piece of computer code, corrupting the system. That's what happened during the Michigan caucus in 2004, when thousands of O'Connors, Al-Husseins, Van Kemps and others who went to the polls didn't have their votes counted. "It was a real slapped-together computer system the party put together and a lot of people were left out who were registered to vote, it was a real pity," said Michigan political consultant Mark Grebner. In this year's primaries, the system worked much better, according to the Michigan Democratic Party. There have been isolated reports of problems elsewhere, but nothing on the scale of Michigan. Still, an apostrophe, hyphen or space can interfere with medical and dental records, gym memberships, online searches or school registration. Dutch-American proofreader Jessica van Campen has seen her name listed as Jessica Vancampen, Jessica Van, Jessicavan Campen, Jessica Campen and Jessican Kampen by uncertain computer systems. When she went to her finals in college, she was listed under Campen and was told Jessica Van Campen had dropped out of the course. "It was another moment of panic," she said. All of this confusion has prompted some people to surrender to technology. Iraqi immigrant Lina Alathari was once known as Lina Al- Athari, but dropped the hyphen in America. "There is no pronunciation difference, so I'm fine with it," she said. Erin Carney D'Angelo, a lawyer in New York, was born apostrophe-free, but took one on when she married her Italian-American husband. But "he told me to drop the apostrophe when filling out forms so to computers I'm just a `Dangelo,'" she said. The problem is difficult to correct because computer systems have many different ways of recognizing names, Rais said. "It depends on the form filters and it depends on the database program," he said. "Basically, there are a lot of programmers out there who forget that a growing portion of the American public are not called John Smith or Mary White." The Irish apostrophe began with the British, who put it there because they believed the O looked odd without a link to the rest of the name. Many Gaelic speakers in Ireland refuse to carry an apostrophe, considering it a vestige of colonial days. "Maybe that's the solution," said O'Dowd, who just last week was rejected by an online alarm clock service. "Maybe we should just drop the apostrophe altogether, not just as a nationalist statement but because I'd like my alarm call to work in the morning." For my part, I've already thrown off my apostrophe. From now on I am Sean ODriscoll. -- Matthew Jockers Stanford University | |
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8457 | 24 February 2008 14:08 |
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:08:27 -0000
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Re: The trouble with the Apostrophe | |
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Re: The trouble with the Apostrophe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Thank you for this... A number of IR-D members have brought this item to our attention - so thank you to everybody. I can vouch for all the experiences recorded here. There are still recurring problems ordering anything online. In at least one case my credit card got blacklisted - because, of course, different computer systems have different versions of my name. The airline computers - because their software is so clunky, old-fashioned, and (I guess) therefore reliable - were a recurring problem. But mostly now the operators know this, and can be guided to a version of your name that the system will accept. But you used to meet the recurring belief that spelling your name with an apostrophe was some strange, individual quirk of your own. And then - the most dangerous thing a travelling Irish person can do - you might find yourself of interest to security... It is just lazy programming, of course. In another area, I can remember a weird discussion with someone designing a computerised library catalogue - and he had created only a 2 digit space for year of publication... Patrick O'Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Matthew Jockers Sent: 22 February 2008 16:07 To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [IR-D] The trouble with the Apostrophe As manager of the ACIS web site and ACIS member database, I can attest to the particular difficulty of programming to handle Irish Surnames. . . an Associated Press article by Sean O (no apostrophe) Driscoll appears, among other places, in today's Wired magazine. Matt Here is a link http://tinyurl.com/2bwh63 And here is the text: Apostrophes in Names Stir Lot O' Trouble By SEAN ODRISCOLL Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) -- It can stop you from voting, destroy your dental appointments, make it difficult to rent a car or book a flight, even interfere with your college exams. More than 50 years into the Information Age, computers are still getting confused by the apostrophe. It's a problem familiar to O'Connors, D'Angelos, N'Dours and D'Artagnans across America. | |
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8458 | 24 February 2008 18:24 |
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:24:37 +0000
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From: Muiris Mag Ualghairg Subject: Re: The trouble with the Apostrophe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline We have a similar problem in Wales. The Post Office still uses the old county names for postal purposes so when shopping on line you might be asked for a county that ceased to exist over a decade or so ago, however the banks use the modern addresses which means that the address a bank has and the address that an online shop gets are different and a credit card gets refused. The National Assembly has raised the outdated postal addresses with the Post Office and has asked them to sort the problem out and it appears that even the assembly has had its credit card purchases refused because of the same problem. With regards Irish names, Mac/Mag etc also cause the same problem with software either trying to put a hyphen in or to lose the first part of the surname all together. Muiris On 24/02/2008, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote: > Matt, > > Thank you for this... > > A number of IR-D members have brought this item to our attention - so thank > you to everybody. > > I can vouch for all the experiences recorded here. There are still > recurring problems ordering anything online. In at least one case my credit > card got blacklisted - because, of course, different computer systems have > different versions of my name. > > The airline computers - because their software is so clunky, old-fashioned, > and (I guess) therefore reliable - were a recurring problem. But mostly now > the operators know this, and can be guided to a version of your name that > the system will accept. But you used to meet the recurring belief that > spelling your name with an apostrophe was some strange, individual quirk of > your own. And then - the most dangerous thing a travelling Irish person can > do - you might find yourself of interest to security... > > It is just lazy programming, of course. In another area, I can remember a > weird discussion with someone designing a computerised library catalogue - > and he had created only a 2 digit space for year of publication... > > > Patrick O'Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf > Of Matthew Jockers > Sent: 22 February 2008 16:07 > To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [IR-D] The trouble with the Apostrophe > > As manager of the ACIS web site and ACIS member database, I can attest > to the particular difficulty of programming to handle Irish > Surnames. . . an Associated Press article by Sean O (no apostrophe) > Driscoll appears, among other places, in today's Wired magazine. > > Matt > > Here is a link http://tinyurl.com/2bwh63 > > And here is the text: > > Apostrophes in Names Stir Lot O' Trouble > > By SEAN ODRISCOLL > Associated Press Writer > > NEW YORK (AP) -- It can stop you from voting, destroy your dental > appointments, make it difficult to rent a car or book a flight, even > interfere with your college exams. More than 50 years into the > Information Age, computers are still getting confused by the > apostrophe. It's a problem familiar to O'Connors, D'Angelos, N'Dours > and D'Artagnans across America. > | |
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8459 | 25 February 2008 11:42 |
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:42:50 +0100
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From: "frank32[at]tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Community MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to thank all those who provided references to the use of the term 'Community ' . They were very helpful and my Ph.D student is now a happy man. Frank Neal __________________________________________________ Up to 33% off Norton Security from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc/ | |
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8460 | 25 February 2008 20:27 |
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:27:58 -0000
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan Subject: Book Announced, The Irish Celebrating: Festive and Tragic Overtones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following book has been brought to our attention... It looks very interesting, as itself evidence of the increasing interest = in Ireland and the Diaspora in the non English speaking countries. I have taken the following information from the publisher web site. I = will see if I can get hold of the table of contents... P.O'S. Cambridge Scholars Publishing isbn: 9781847184078=20 Title: The Irish Celebrating: Festive and Tragic Overtones Binding: Hardback Editor: Marie-Claire Consid=E8re-Charon, Philippe Laplace, Michel = Savaric Date of Publication: 2008-01-01 UK: =A339.99 US: $79.99 The Irish Celebrating is a collection of essays which focuses on the complex dynamics of celebrating, its significance and its scope, through Ireland=92s past and present experience. This book studies the dual = aspects of celebrating =97=91the festive=92 and =91the tragic=92=97 which, while = not necessarily functioning as a binary opposition, have long proved mutually = constitutive of the Irish experience. Many different occasions and ways of = celebrating are explored, be they associated with feasts, festivals, commemorations, re-enactments or mere merry-making. Irish literature abounds with motifs, symbols, allusions and devices = that stand as ample testimony to the essential part played by celebration in = the creative process. Both the treatment of mythical themes and figures, and = the perception of contrasted realities and moods, all linked in some way or another with celebrating, are examined in the works of Irish novelists, poets and playwrights. If celebrations undeniably had a crucial role to play throughout = Ireland=92s troubled past, they continue to shape Irish society today, part and = parcel of the deep social, economic and cultural changes it is currently experiencing. New representations of Irish identity as they are = expressed through new forms of celebrating are explored in such varied contexts as emigration and immigration, alcohol addiction, church allegiance and European membership. The way the nationalist and unionist communities have been celebrating = their past in Northern Ireland, often complacently and ostentatiously, is a = theme dealt with in the final section of this collection. Irish, English, = French, Spanish, Italian and American scholars apply a broad range of interdisciplinary expertise to original and illuminating essays which = will undoubtedly provoke a new insight into the interplay between current = trends and issues and the long-established patterns that thread through the = volume. Marie-Claire Consid=E8re-Charon is part-time Professor at the Robert = Schuman University, Strasbourg, and Emeritus Professor at the University of Franche-Comt=E9. Philippe Laplace is a lecturer in English and Scottish studies at the University of Franche-Comt=E9. Michel Savaric is a lecturer in British and Irish studies at the = University of Franche-Comt=E9. http://www.c-s-p.org/ http://www.c-s-p.org/Flyers/The-Irish-Celebrating--Festive-and-Tragic-Ove= rto nes--1-84718-407-3.htm | |
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