From: Mary.Doran[at]mail.bl.uk (Mary Doran)
Subject: BAIS Postgraduate Bursaries Announcment



BAIS POSTGRADUATE BURSARIES SCHEME 2000

The British Association for Irish Studies has established a scheme to
support postgraduate research in Britain on topics of Irish interest.
BAIS will award 4 busaries of £1000 each to postgraduate students based in
a university in Great Britain conducting research on any aspect of Irish
Studies. The aim of the awards is to further research in Great Britain in
the subject area of Irish Studies. This will be done by providing
assistance to take advantage of opportunities which would enhance a
student's research project or to alleviate financial hardship which could
otherwise hinder the pursuit of a student's studies. Students may use the
bursary for travel expenses, payment of fees, subsistence expenses or
other expenses related to the completion of the research project.

Applicants must be registered for a postgraduate degree in a higher
education institution in Great Britain. The research project on which the
applicant is working must be within the subject area of Irish Studies.
All applications must be received by 1 March 2000.

How to Apply:
Applicants should provide:
10 copies of the following information on no more than 3 sides of A4:

*Personal details (full name, contact details, date of birth)

*An outline of the research project, in no more than 500 words.

*Details of the specific purposes for which you would require research
funding, and when the money will be spent

*Details of your educational background, qualifications and postgraduate
registration
*Information regarding any other source of funding which you have received
or have applied for

*The contact details of 2 referees, who should be asked by you to send
their references directly to the coordinator.


Criteria for the Allocation of Bursaries

A panel of Irish Studies Academics, covering a wide range of disciplines,
will judge the submissions and select 4 bursary winners according to the
following criteria:

*That the research will make a significant contribution to Irish Studies

*That the purposes for which funding is required are necessary, or at
least of substantial benefit, to the research project.

*Preference may be given to applicants who are not in receipt of other
funding for this specific project

The Bursary winners will be announced in May 2000: the decision of the
Awarding Committee will be final: successful candidates will be required
to provide a report on how the funds have been spent and to acknowledge
the support of BAIS in any publication resulting from the research.

Applications and references should be sent by 1 March 2000 to :
Dr Eibhlin Evans, 48, Brampton Road, St Albans, Herts. AL1 4PT.

Subject: Re: Ir-D Crawford, Hungry Stream, Review
From: Eileen A Sullivan

Dear Paddy,

Your Hungry Stream review is noteworthy.

Don't fret about Akenson's perspective. He's really a train conductor
who checks tickets of people on the move, making sure that his portrait
of the traveller is the authentic one once he gets their numbers and
names straight, along with travel time. His Montserrat book is even a
better example of that talent. I was at Queens Un, Belfast in '95 and
heard his lecture about the intended research and determination to
downgrade the Irish.

The only response to If the Irish Ruled the World is " No Ifs Ands and
Buts, We Do."

On the 5th of Feb, I will be lecturing on the Montserratian Irish for the
southern region ACIS meeting on board the ship Carnival's Ecstasy. Brian McGinn will be
there lecturing on The Irish in South America. We expect to do more than
lecture. A Nassau cruise is on the docket, along with poetry readings by
Cathal O Searcaigh and a song or two by Lillis O Laoire.

Have made arrangements for summertime in Ireland. I'll arrive in Dublin
on Aug 4th and leave on Aug 31st. At Carleton Summer School Aug 7-11. Any
chance of a rendezvous?

Dr. Eileen A. Sullivan, Director
The Irish Educational Association, Inc. Tel # (352) 332
3690
6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail :
eolas1[at]juno.com
Gainesville, FL 32653

From Patrick O'Sullivan

To Jim Doan
and all aboard the good ship Carnival Ecstasy...

Bon Voyage...

Thinking of you, with envy...

And, of course, the Irish-Diaspora list will want a full report, in due course.

Paddy O'Sullivan


Seriously, now, people... This is a very serious scholarly enterprise. Here are some
extracts from Jim Doan's original announcement...

EXTRACTS BEGIN>>>

THE IRISH IN THE ATLANTIC WORLD: A CELTIC-CARIBBEAN ODYSSEY

SOUTHERN REGIONAL MEETING OF THE AMERICAN
CONFERENCE FOR IRISH STUDIES

FEBRUARY 4-7, 2000

CELEBRATE THE MILLENNIUM ON A 3-NIGHT, 2-DAY CRUISE
FROM MIAMI TO NASSAU, THE BAHAMAS

From the legendary 6th-century St.
Brendan to the Welsh Prince Madoc and his followers in the 12th
century, from the Irish seafarers said to have accompanied Columbus in
1492 to the Irish colonists in Montserrat, Barbados, Charleston and
Savannah, from the intrepid Scots and Irish Presbyterians on The Eagle
Wing to Irish privateers and women pirates in the Spanish Main, from the
exiles of 1798 throughout the Americas to the infamous Famine coffin
ships arriving in New York, Boston, and Quebec in the 1840s, and the
sailing of the Belfast-built Titanic, the Atlantic has long provided
one of the main paths for the Irish and other Celtic peoples leaving
their homelands.

To celebrate some 1500 years of Irish voyages, the beginning of the
third millenium, and the tenth anniversary of the Southern ACIS, join us
for a cruise aboard the Carnival Ecstasy, a 14-story, 70,000-ton cruise
ship departing from the Port of Miami at 4:00 p.m., Friday, February 4,
and returning at 8:00 a.m., Monday, February 7, 2000, with a 24-hour
layover in the city of Nassau with its 18th-century colonial
architecture and modern amenities....

Papers dealing with any aspect of the Irish diaspora, island
culture(s), ethnic relations, acculturation and postcolonial conditions
are particularly encouraged, though work dealing with any aspect of
Irish studies may be submitted....

Prof. James E. Doan, Dept. of Liberal Arts, Nova Southeastern
University, 3301 College Ave., Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33314 (954-262-8207),

EXTRACTS END>>>


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From: Jim Doan
Subject: Re: Ir-D Bon Voyage

Many thanks. We have a full program scheduled, with topics ranging from the Irish and
Slavery in the US South, to the Irish in the Caribbean and South America, Yeats Studies to
Colonialism and Censorship, and papers dealing with women's travel writing and
trans-Atlantic experience in the mid-19th century. In addition, there will be poetry
readings by four poets (1 Irish and 3 American); a reading of Gardner McKay's "Sea Marks";
and a performance of sean-nos singing. Fuller details will follow.

Jim Doan

irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> >From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> To Jim Doan
> and all aboard the good ship Carnival Ecstasy...
>
> Bon Voyage...
>
> Thinking of you, with envy...
>
> And, of course, the Irish-Diaspora list will want a full report, in due course.
>
> Paddy O'Sullivan

From: David Gleeson
Subject: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces

For a southern U.S. situation, a good book is Dennis Rousey's "Policing
the Southern City: New Orleans, 1805-1889" (Baton Rouge: LSU Press,
1996). His notes and statisitics should be helpful. Rousey shows how
Irish immigrants came to dominate the city force which occasionally
scared the native population. I don't know if he is still working on
police, but he is at Arkansas State University. I called him for
guidance on one occasion and found him very helpful.

An older booklet I came across is in the Charleston Library Society is
Edward P. Cantwell, "A History of the Charleston [South Carolina] Police
Force," (1908). It was produced for local consumption, but it has some
interesting tid-bits including one mentioning that the local
Know-Nothings in 1850s Charleston blamed their defeat in the city
elections on "Paddy Miles's Bulldogs." Miles was Democrat mayor Edward
Porcher Miles and he was the epitome of an elite southerner. It seems
his Irish supporters in and out of uniform earned him his new first
name.

Hope this is of help,

Off to Nassau!

David Gleeson

Dept. of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah, GA 31419

Forwarded on behalf of Elliott Barkan

[If interested, contact Elliott Barkan directly...]

I am trying to put together a session for the conference being sponsored at
the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, by the Immigration History
Research Center and the Immigration and Ethnic HIstory Society, November
16-18, 2000, entitled Race, Ethnicity and Migration--the U.S. in a Global
Context.

PROPOSALS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THEM BY MARCH 1, 2000, SO I WOULD
APPRECIATE EARLY REPONSES TO THIS CALL.

The session I am planning would focus on patterns of adaptation and
mobility by immigrants and second generation persons and the influence,
among other things, of such factors as ties to homelands. Companion papers
to mine could be on persons from new regions coming to the U.S. or,
especially, migrants and children in countries outside the U.S. Graduate
students are particularly urged to submit proposals.
Elliott Barkan

Elliott R. Barkan
Professor of History & Ethnic Studies
Book Review Editor, Journal of American
Ethnic History
Department of History
California State University
San Bernardino, CA 92407-2397 U.S.A.
909-880-5525 (o)// 880-5985 or 7107 (fax)
ebarkan[at]csusb.edu

The following item appeared in The Guardian newspaper on Wednesday January 26, 2000. It
describes the work and approach of my friend, colleague, and neighbour, Dr. Pat Bracken -
who, as it happens, is also a member of the Irish-Diaspora list.

P.O'S.


GUARDIAN
New mentality

Peter Relton is the first person in the UK to be given power to help make clinical
decisions about fellow patients.
Adam James reports

Wednesday January 26, 2000


A new ethos in mental health, which rejects the medical model of the illness, is being
pioneered by Bradford's home treatment service (HTS). It is the first NHS service not to
use psychiatric diagnoses, and uses five times less medication on its patients. It is also
the first to employ a user with power to make decisions about patients.

Throughout its history, psychiatry has felt the collective wrath of dissatisfied patients.
Past and present user groups have argued that, at best, psychiatry is over-reliant on
medication and fails to address the social causes of distress - while, at worst, it is
damaging and its powers of compulsory detention and treatment infringe patients' civil
liberties.

Yet such criticisms have failed to bring any far-reaching changes to psychiatry-dominated
mental health practice, particularly the allegiance to the medical model.

But Bradford's home treatment service has, over the past four years, pioneered a
philosophy which takes on board user concerns. It is the first UK mental health NHS
service to invest a user with powers to decide how clients are treated. Whereas mental
health services increasingly employ users as general "user development" workers, Peter
Relton is the first to be attached to a specific clinical team. In so doing, Bradford's
HTS, supported by local user groups, has demonstrated how the buzz words of
user/professional partnership can be turned into reality.

A user for the past 35 years, Relton sits alongside the team's two psychiatrists, eight
nurses and three social workers at the three-weekly review meetings when clients are
discussed. He has equal say on all matters - whether it be the progress of a client, how
to spend the service's budget or team development.

"My position means I can make a direct impact on professionals' attitudes and the team's
philosophy," explains Relton, who also serves on Bradford Mind's management committee.
"Most power in mental health services lies in the hands of the psychiatrists. But, here in
Bradford, psychiatrists have made the remarkable step of giving some of their power away
to users."

Relton's appointment won the seal of approval from the trust because of the reputation of
Bradford HTS team leader, consultant psychiatrist Dr Pat Bracken, who used to work with
north Birmingham's innovative home treatment service.

Describing himself as a "critical psychiatrist", Dr Bracken works with a social model of
mental illness rather than the orthodox medical one. He believes problems have their roots
in experience rather than biology. He says Relton has brought benefits to his team which
all psychiatric services could learn from.

"As a user, Peter knows what it is like to be talked about by professionals. He has helped
shape the team's culture away from a feeling of them, the patients, and us, the
professionals. He can also communicate with patients in a way the rest of us cannot."

The team, which takes referrals directly from GPs, only treats patients in their own
homes, believing these to be a more appropriate environment to recover from distress, than
the turbulent, and often impersonal, psychiatric ward. And with Relton's input, the team
has made a further radical diversion from the medical model by not using psychiatric
diagnoses. Rather than saying a client has schizophrenia or manic depression, team members
will instead focus on the needs and events in their life.

"From the patient's point of view, there is nothing to be gained from a diagnosis -
particularly schizophrenia, which is such a stigmatising label," says Dr Bracken."We
prefer to say, for example, that people are having strange experiences, or are hearing
voices."

For example, one woman was referred to the team with a diagnosis of schizophrenia and had
"delusions" of being attacked. But, when the team's workers visited her at home, they
discovered her husband was regularly beating her up.

It was this violent domestic environment which was the biggest problem in the woman's
life.

"Yet, up to this point, other services had taken her husband's version of events that his
wife was mad," says Relton, who takes charge of the team's training. "Bizarre behaviour
can always be made meaningful if attention is paid to what is going on in an individual's
life."

One consequence of Bradford's HTS rejection of the medical model is that it relies less on
medication. Instead, it prefers non-physical treatment methods devised by user groups
themselves. For example, a client experiencing problems with voices will be asked to
discuss the voices' content and will be supported in devising ways of coping with them -
strategies promoted by The Hearing Voices Network and Action Consultancy and Training,
both user-led organisations.

In this way, five times less psychiatric medication is used on Bradford HTS clients than
hospital patients. "We only use medication as a short-term effect to relieve anxiety, and
in lower doses," says Bracken. He believes Relton's appointment, plus the team's
commitment to treat clients at home, represents what it means to practise a fundament ally
alternative mental health philosophy.

"We are showing that you really can do mental health work without using psychiatry and
psychiatric concepts," he proclaims. "Critics have said our different philosophy could not
work in real life. Well, we work in the inner city, not the leafy suburbs of London - and
this is as real as it gets.

"We have received very positive reactions. Not just from user organisations, but a growing
number of doctors who find traditional psychiatry failing to meet their patients' needs."

The Department of Health has also recognised Bradford HTS's achievements, and, earlier
this year, awarded it a "beacon status" for good practice. With this accolade came an
extra £25,000 over two years to promote its work to other mental health services around
the country.

"This represents the importance of what we are doing here, and, if the mental health
service wants to gain more credit from users, it has to give us more say in how things are
run," says Relton.

From Patrick O'Sullivan

Bibliographic Essays on Irish Migration

We have had this request, below, for information from Gary Owens, stalwart member of the
Society for the Study of Nineteenth Century Ireland (SSNCI).

Any suggestions?

P.O'S.



Dear Paddy --

I'm in the process of writing an article for a collection of essays that
SSNCI is hoping to bring out later this year that analyses current trends in
nineteenth-century Irish studies. My piece deals with social/cultural
history and, by rights, it should take up writings on emigration and the
Famine. BUT because the material on them is too vast to do them justice, I
merely want to refer the reader to some good bibliographic essays. I have a
rich assortment of such pieces on the Famine, but I'm having trouble finding
good ones on emigration. Besides Roger Swift and Don Akenson's pieces in
your Irish World Wide vol. 2, can you steer me to some good critical surveys
of recent writings? I'd be grateful for any suggestions.

With thanks in advance,
Gary Owens


Dept. of History
Huron College
The University of Western Ontario
(c/o Togher House
Monasterevin
Co. Kildare
IRELAND
E-Mail: gowens[at]iol.ie)



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From: Noel Gilzean
Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS SAI 2000


Noel Gilzean
n.a.gilzean[at]hud.ac.uk
Usual apologies for cross posting

CALL FOR PAPERS
SOCIOLOGY ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND
27TH ANNUAL CONFERENCE

5TH - 7TH MAY 2000
THE NEWPARK HOTEL, KILKENNY.


CONFERENCE TITLE:

IRELAND IN THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY:
IDEOLOGY, POWER AND CHANGE.

Under the broad title Ireland in the 21st Century: Ideology, Power and
Change it is envisaged that this years conference will consider the
contribution of sociology to our understanding of Irish society to date, and
its potential contribution in the future. The committee would welcome
abstracts for papers relevant to the following themes:

Nationalism and Ethnicity
Ideology
Power
Economic Change
Theories of Irish Society
The Future of Feminism
Open Stream

*In addition to the specific areas outlined above there will be an open
stream to accommodate contributors whose papers do not fall within the
conference streams.


Abstracts of 150 words should be sent, both on disk and in hard copy to
Sylvia Earley, S.A.I. Administrator, Room 1.4, St. Anne's Building, NUI,
Maynooth, Co. Kildare on or before March 1st 2000.

SOCIOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND
27TH ANNUAL CONFERENCE

5TH - 7TH MAY 2000
THE NEWPARK HOTEL, KILKENNY.

Forwarded on behalf of Liverpool Hope University College...

Dear Colleagues,
I should like to draw your attention to a forthcoming conference in the UK at
Liverpool Hope University College in conjunction with the Merseyside Maritime Museum.
'Textports 2000' (26th -28th April 2000) will, using the concept of a port as a
cultural nexus, examine the problematic relationships between and within cultures and the
possibility of cultural exchange. With its long history of involvement in commerce and
cultural exchange and its unique galleries, museums and waterfront development, Liverpool
provides an obvious location for reflections upon both past and present.
In order to offer as wide a participation as possible, the organizers have decided to
extend the deadline for offers of papers to 28th February 2000. Papers are invited from
a range of disciplines - literature, history, cultural studies, music and art - to address
areas such as:
imperialism and colonialism; concepts of postcolonial Britain; minority literatures;
national identities; travel writing; narratives of the port, especially Liverpool as a
locus for onward and inward journeying to America, the Caribbean, Australia, India, China,
from and into Britain.
I should be very grateful if you would forward this message to any colleagues working in
these areas and who might be interested in attending or offering a paper.
Full details are on our website...
http://www.hope.ac.uk/text/ports.html
Best wishes,
Sue Zlosnik

From: Don MacRaild
Subject: Re: Ir-D Bibliographic Essays on Irish Migration

Dear Paddy and Gary,

Ahem, if I might be so bold ... the latest edition of Immigrants and Minorities, 18, 2&3
(2000) is a 'double special' entitled 'The Great Famine and Beyond: Irish Immigrants in
Nineteenth and Twentieth Century Britain' (ed. D.M. MacRaild!). It contains an excellent
essay by Roger Swift, very much updating earlier pieces by himself. The volume is also
being produced as a book by Irish Academic Press (same title), and, though I've seen the
cover, I haven't had word as to when it will appear. It should be weeks or days rather
than
months, though.

Don MacRaild
Sunderland


irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From Patrick O'Sullivan
>
> Bibliographic Essays on Irish Migration
>
> We have had this request, below, for information from Gary Owens, stalwart member of the
> Society for the Study of Nineteenth Century Ireland (SSNCI).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> P.O'S.
>
> Dear Paddy --
>
> I'm in the process of writing an article for a collection of essays that
> SSNCI is hoping to bring out later this year that analyses current trends in
> nineteenth-century Irish studies. My piece deals with social/cultural
> history and, by rights, it should take up writings on emigration and the
> Famine. BUT because the material on them is too vast to do them justice, I
> merely want to refer the reader to some good bibliographic essays. I have a
> rich assortment of such pieces on the Famine, but I'm having trouble finding
> good ones on emigration. Besides Roger Swift and Don Akenson's pieces in
> your Irish World Wide vol. 2, can you steer me to some good critical surveys
> of recent writings? I'd be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> With thanks in advance,
> Gary Owens
>
> Dept. of History
> Huron College
> The University of Western Ontario
> (c/o Togher House
> Monasterevin
> Co. Kildare
> IRELAND
> E-Mail: gowens[at]iol.ie)
>
>

This one will be of interest to the art historians, and comes from Irish-Diaspora list
member, Jill Blee, in Australia...

From: Jill Blee [mailto:jillblee[at]mail.austasia.net]

Subject: Shamrock badge or medal


Dear Paddy,

I have been asked, by its present owner, if I can find out more about a small
shamrock-shaped metal badge or medal, currently displayed as a medallion on a chain.
On the top bar of the medal is the word IRELAND, on the bottom is written "A NATION".
On the reverse side is Rd. No. 819147.

It is believed to have been brought to Australia from Ireland by Catherine Markham who
left Wicklow in May
1840. She was born in Ulster, but I don't know where. She was Protestant.

Jill Blee
University of Ballarat
Victoria,
Australia


P.S.
Jill has also sent in a scanned photograph of the medallion. It appears to be shiny,
silver coloured. The metal has been cast or shaped into a hollow shamrock shape - three
double leaves. I cannot recall ever having seen anything quite like it - but these sort
of mementoes have not been well-studied.

P.O'S.


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From: "Elizabeth Malcolm"
Subject: Irish in Police Forces

Dear Paddy,

I would like to thank all those who responded to my query about the Irish
in the police, especially in the States. From having not a lot of
information, within 3 or 4 days, I had a substantial bibliography to work
on, plus some interesting suggestions and comments. I'm not only impressed
by the generosity of the responses, but by their expertise: that so much
information could be provided so quickly.

I'd like to respond in particular to 2 queries I received.

To Ruth-Ann Harris re. the Vere Foster letter. Yes, I'm interested in it
and also its date and the name of the policeman who wrote it. I have the
personnel register of the RIC (1817-1922), with some 80,000 individual
entries, in my office on microfilm. I'd like to know what the letter said
and in return I may be able to find details of the man's career in the
register. As for 'persecution' of ex-policemen, I've corresponded with
hundreds of the descendants of Irish policemen and many of them do mention,
particularly after 1922, being warned not to admit that their father had
served in the constabulary. It certainly was a stigma in parts of Ireland
and in parts of the diaspora.

On the other hand, I must say that I've been amazed at the number of
today's leading Irish historians and literary critics who have police
ancestry. I can't name names, as this information was given to me privately
- - although none of these people seek to hide it - but Denis Donoghue, who
has written about his police background, is in fact far from unusual. I'm
also told that the offspring of policemen are well represented in the Irish
civil service and in the Catholic Church. Such, admittedly anecdotal,
information has helped spark my interest in policing, not only as a step up
for the individual, but for his descendants.

To Marion Casey re. the Irish in the Shanghai police. This wouldn't
surprise me in the least and I'll keep my eye open for references. But I'm
interested that you refer specifically to Mayo. Irish policemen did
emigrate in significant numbers. The register sometimes notes emigration,
although unfortunately not consistently enough to be able to study it in
detail. And the officers of the constabulary also complained of the
number of trained and experienced men leaving the country. I can only
suppose that, if chain migration operated generally, then it may also have
operated among police emigrants. It's a very interesting issue, but very
hard to verify. However, policing as a career did tend to run in families.
I've come across a number of examples of 3 generations of the same family
all in the police or of 5 or 6 brothers all serving simultaneously. So
having one member of a policing family emigrate may have created a 'chain
reaction'.

Elizabeth Malcolm
Liverpool

From: Hilary Robinson
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces

...As an aside, on Elizabeth Malcolm's comments (below):
I think there may also be a similar pattern in Scotland, with
gaelic speakers (usually presbyterian) from crofting communities in the
highlands 'bettering' themselves through the police (and 'bettering' their
children by not passing on the gaelic) - this happened with my husband,
whose parents were gaelic speaking crofters, did not pass on the language, and
his father joined the police. Their children are now a doctor, a professor
and a schoolteacher.
Hilary


>On the other hand, I must say that I've been amazed at the number of
>today's leading Irish historians and literary critics who have police
>ancestry. I can't name names, as this information was given to me privately
>- although none of these people seek to hide it - but Denis Donoghue, who
>has written about his police background, is in fact far from unusual. I'm
>also told that the offspring of policemen are well represented in the Irish
>civil service and in the Catholic Church. Such, admittedly anecdotal,
>information has helped spark my interest in policing, not only as a step up
>for the individual, but for his descendants.


_______________________________

Dr. Hilary Robinson
School of Art and Design
University of Ulster at Belfast
York Street
Belfast BT15 1ED
Northern Ireland


direct phone/fax: (+44) 01232.267291)

From: Noel Gilzean
Subject: RE: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces

I too am descended from the police. My grandfather was a sergeant in the
RIC. I am currently looking at the Irish in Huddersfield a community with
which I thought I had no connection under than professional, my family all
ended up in the South and South-east of England, until I discovered that my
grandfather had moved to Dewsbury, a nearby town, for his health and one of
my uncles was born there. My grandfather retired from the RIC on a pension
in probably 1922, when he was still a relatively young man, in his forties,
I wonder if this gave that generation of RIC an increased income which
resulted in better conditions for their children.
Noel
Noel Gilzean
University of Huddersfield
e-mail: n.a.gilzean[at]hud.ac.uk
tel: 01484 472835
Fax: 01484 472794
http://www.hud.ac.uk/hip/

> ----------
> From: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Reply To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2000 14:16
> To: irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk
> Subject: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces
>
>
>
> From: Hilary Robinson
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces
>
> ...As an aside, on Elizabeth Malcolm's comments (below):
> I think there may also be a similar pattern in Scotland, with
> gaelic speakers (usually presbyterian) from crofting communities in the
> highlands 'bettering' themselves through the police (and 'bettering' their
> children by not passing on the gaelic) - this happened with my husband,
> whose parents were gaelic speaking crofters, did not pass on the language,
> and
> his father joined the police. Their children are now a doctor, a professor
> and a schoolteacher.
> Hilary
>
>
> >On the other hand, I must say that I've been amazed at the number of
> >today's leading Irish historians and literary critics who have police
> >ancestry. I can't name names, as this information was given to me
> privately
> >- although none of these people seek to hide it - but Denis Donoghue, who
> >has written about his police background, is in fact far from unusual. I'm
> >also told that the offspring of policemen are well represented in the
> Irish
> >civil service and in the Catholic Church. Such, admittedly anecdotal,
> >information has helped spark my interest in policing, not only as a step
> up
> >for the individual, but for his descendants.
>
>
> _______________________________
>
> Dr. Hilary Robinson
> School of Art and Design
> University of Ulster at Belfast
> York Street
> Belfast BT15 1ED
> Northern Ireland
>
>
> direct phone/fax: (+44) 01232.267291)
>

From: Donald MacRaild
Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces

Hilary's point made me reflect on my own life (sorry for the forthcoming
self-indulgence). My grandfather was a crofter from Glendale, Skye. He joined the
Leith police in the 1920s. He spoke Gaelic in from of his six kids, including my
father, but was discouraged from encouraging them to learn it by a particular
friend who decried 'the old ways'. Lots of people left Skye in the inter-war
period; many of them with bad memories of what was one of the worst periods in
Highlands and Islands history. The fact that my grandmother was from Ullapool,
Sutherlandshire, on the mainland, and had ropey Gaelic, might also have affected
his choice of tongues. Anyway, the two of them did okay on the police pension. In
the 1950s, they went back to the Glendale old croft and built a new house. My
uncle still owns it 'for the family'--so, the bond isn't broken altogether ....
But I do wish I could read Gaelic sources !!!


Don MacRaild
Sunderland


irish-diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk wrote:

> From: Hilary Robinson
> Subject: Re: Ir-D Irish in Police Forces
>
> ...As an aside, on Elizabeth Malcolm's comments (below):
> I think there may also be a similar pattern in Scotland, with
> gaelic speakers (usually presbyterian) from crofting communities in the
> highlands 'bettering' themselves through the police (and 'bettering' their
> children by not passing on the gaelic) - this happened with my husband,
> whose parents were gaelic speaking crofters, did not pass on the language, and
> his father joined the police. Their children are now a doctor, a professor
> and a schoolteacher.
> Hilary
>
> >On the other hand, I must say that I've been amazed at the number of
> >today's leading Irish historians and literary critics who have police
> >ancestry. I can't name names, as this information was given to me privately
> >- although none of these people seek to hide it - but Denis Donoghue, who
> >has written about his police background, is in fact far from unusual. I'm
> >also told that the offspring of policemen are well represented in the Irish
> >civil service and in the Catholic Church. Such, admittedly anecdotal,
> >information has helped spark my interest in policing, not only as a step up
> >for the individual, but for his descendants.
>
> _______________________________
>
> Dr. Hilary Robinson
> School of Art and Design
> University of Ulster at Belfast
> York Street
> Belfast BT15 1ED
> Northern Ireland
>
>
> direct phone/fax: (+44) 01232.267291)

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From: Martina Poliackova
Subject: Irishness

Hi! I'm a student from Slovakia (Central Europe) and
I'm working on my diploma thesis on the Irish culture.
And I need help of a real expert on Irish culture:-)!
So if you have few minutes and if you are familiar
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Please write also your age, nationality and whether
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1. What do you think how the foreigners see the Irish
and how they present them in media, commercials, films
etc.? Do you think it is a true picture?

2. What do you think which characteristics describe
the nature of the Irish people? (hospitable, friendly,
passionate, proud, generous etc.)

3. How would you describe the relations between the
Irish and the English? (cold, tense, friendly,
neutral, normal, etc.)

4. Would you say the Irish are nationalists? If yes,
in what way is it expresed?

5. What is the attitude of the Irish towards religion?
In what ways did it influence the Irish history and
where can the influence be seen today?

6. What is the attitude of the Irish towards the Irish
language and the English language? Do they want to use
and learn the Irish language?

7. How would you recognize an Irishman in a foreign
city? (behaviour, accent, clothes, Irish flag etc.)

8. How important is family for the Irish? (important
only in childhood, which days (holidays) are
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From Patrick O'Sullivan

I was sad but not surprised that we had been able to help so little with Oliver Marshall's
query about onward Irish migration from England - this in connection with his study of
Irish settlement in Brazil.

It is always difficult to say when we have identified a gap - for is this a real gap in
the research record, or simply a gap in our knowledge and resources? I believe that there
is a research gap here - and it is a gap that is itself caused by the existing research
agenda, the straight line, emigration/immigration approach, as opposed to a Diaspora
Studies approach. Everyone who has spent time in the fine detail of the archives will
have come across hundreds of examples of onward migration from England. And these
hundreds must easily add up to thousands. What we do not have, to hand, is a scholarly
study bringing that material together.

But here, as an example, is an extract from a recently submitted MA Victorian Studies
Dissertation here in Yorkshire. Shelagh Ward has made excellent use of the Catholic
parish and school records in Bradford - particularly the Notices read out in the Catholic
churches...

EXTRACT BEGINS>>>
Bradford provided a stage in emigration to America for many Irish Catholics. School log
book
entries regularly record departures: "Three children left for America", seven more in May
1865,
two in September of that year. If cost prevented the whole family emigrating together, one
member might seek to establish themselves first, although their departure often consigned
those
who remained to the workhouse. Thus Joseph McDermott wrote from Providence, Rhode Island
asking that his three children be sent out to him, a request the Guardians were quite
amenable
to, providing he organised "passes" for them. Similarly the Gorman children, Mary Alice,
Norah
and Lena, aged 12, 10 and 9 respectively, whose parents were in America were all admitted
to
the workhouse when they, or their godmother, Bridget Whelan, could cope no longer. Older
people struggled also, Michael Rochford, a 65 year old mason and lodging house dweller had
a wife in America. This pattern was shared by other immigrant groups in Bradford. For
instance,
the mother of a 23 year old Jewish embroiderer, Jacob Wolfsheimer, was in America, while a
15
year old from the Italian Cadamateri family was brought to the workhouse by police. The
lad
stayed with his grandfather at 36 King Charles Street as his mother was in St. Lawrence,
Massachusetts.
EXTRACT ENDS
(pp 12-13, Shelagh Mary Ward, 'Pennies of the Poor: Catholics and Poverty in Bradford,
1860-1914', MA Victorian Studies Dissertation, submitted January 2000, Trinity andf All
Saints College, University of Leeds)

These are familiar patterns.

P.O'S.


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From: oliver[at]doyle-marshall.demon.co.uk
[mailto:oliver[at]doyle-marshall.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 09 February 2000 13:49
To: P.OSullivan[at]Bradford.ac.uk
irish-diaspora[at]bradford.ac.uk
Subject: onward migration - thanks!


Dear Paddy,

Your latest posting made me feel much better at my lack of success in
finding much related to England as a staging post for onward migration. My
searches have come up with very, very little but, as someone who isn't
terribly familiar with Irish diaspora sources, I couldn't help but feel
that something important has escaped my attention. Also, when I eventually
finish the article I'll be able to attempt to convince myself that the
topic did, in fact, warrent more than just a footnote!

All the best,

Oliver

PS The extract that you included in your posting was most interesting. It
reminded me to find out whether an MA student at the U. of Bradford ever
completed/submitted her early 1990s dissertation on the recruitment of
Bradford mill workers (mainly, I seem to remember, immigrant Jews, but
perhaps Irish as well) to work in São Paulo coffee plantations in the
1880s.

From: harrisrd
Subject: RE: Ir-D Gaps: Onward migration

Evidence in the "Missing Friends" database from the Boston Pilot newspaper's
personals columns clearly demonstrates a pattern of migration from Ireland to
a sojourn in England, Scotland or Wales, and then on to America.
Ruth-Ann Harris, Boston College